Guild Wars 2

Naked clones.
During the past few days, while mesmers were broken, we witnessed many spectacular comps featuring warriors, double melee ranger tunnel-vision, condi ranger pressure, engi/double necro epidemic play.
I actually enjoyed this game much more without having to revolve team composition around an escape artist, which provides an aoe from hero to zero burst, CC’s, 10 seconds of aoe quickness, single target pressure and drastic improvement of team mobility.
Prior to 15th patch many people, including me, were expecting a mesmer nerf. Even a slight one. But you buffed them instead. I fail to understand your logic behind that.
Right now it all comes down to teamfights and not having a mesmer severely reduces your chances of winning that team fight. The effort it takes to aoe-cleave in Time Warp is nothing compared to proper CC chains, condi spread and target calling.
Stop killing the pvp game we’ve been waiting for years, Anet.

p.s. do something about thieves. This is getting ridiculous as well.

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I think they should first of all put a 1 sec cooldown between every shatter skill, this macro shatter is getting ridiculous.
And maybe reduce the duration of the quickness also. I can deal to play without a portal but massive quickness is just to powerfull to give up.

Mesmer player? Yeah i think so.

yup…macro (double) shatter is definitely insane. I go from 100% to 10% in fraction of a second and then have to scramble to survive. I would not be surprised it insta-downs many decent builds.
At least stupid thief burst can be escaped (for most of the dmg) with decent reaction time, and it takes the whole bar of thief utilities (and elite and steal), so given thief is left pretty useless after that. It is kinda high reward / high risk kind of play.
That cannot be said for the mesmer, who on top of everything else also gets this kind of burst? I have to say this double shatter insta burst is worse burst than thief spike on a class that brings so much more to the fight.
It is insanely BAD design, what are those guys in anet thinking when they allow for this. It is like high reward, no drawbacks whatsoever kind of design.

Macro goes for thieves too, they can do double backstabb and burst down almost any class.

Anet should now start looking whats happening ingame, and start banning people using macros.

A mesmer is too predictable. A mesmer needs 3 (6) illusions for a (double) shatter, it equals to 1-2 skills + 1 dodge roll. The combo is ephemeral, it can be reduced to 0 (1) illusions in a matter of seconds.

Please think twice before posting – Mufa is clearly not thinking when he states that thiefs’ burst can be better dodged than a mesmer’s one.

Miku Lawrence.6329:

it can be reduced to 0 (1) illusions in a matter of seconds.

how ? with the macro that happens so fast, that u dont even know

It’s simple.
“revealed” for mesmer.
3 sec cd to create clone after shatter.

It’s not simple, use your brains.
@ Kitiara, not everyone uses macros – the solution is to ban abusers, not to nerf a class.
AoEs can destroy clones, a shatter combo takes like 5 seconds from blank without utilities involved, 3 if Mirror Images, 1-2 with macro (?).

1 with macro, and 1-2 with mirror image.. i’m ok with the normal combo from blank without macro. How can u ban them? everyone keep saying that they dont use that kind of stuff LOL even the mesmer in my team, and trust me i dont believe him.

Agree, I immensely enjoyed the mesmer-free days.

All this talk regarding macros is incredibly dumb. Everybody keeps throwing that word around after the shattered strength buff and most people have never even played a mesmer for more then half an hour.
You know, if 5 players max use that macro I would be surprised.
I use an A4Tech X7 G600 keyboard ( 10 euros ? ) and a A4Tech X7 mouse ( 10$ ) – they were on sale 30% off buy them together! Yet accusations of using this so called macro have been thrown at me by various players ( good and bad ).
Mesmer is OP. Deal with it or ask for nerfs.
P.S. Shattered strength shouldn’t have been buffed and the change itself should be reverted. Maybe nerf quickness as well and buff other specs.
But going as much to say that naked clones was the best thing to happen to PVP….

Khayn.6475:

1 with macro, and 1-2 with mirror image.. i’m ok with the normal combo from blank without macro. How can u ban them? everyone keep saying that they dont use that kind of stuff LOL even the mesmer in my team, and trust me i dont believe him.

Havent played sPvP lately.. but how do mesmers macros their shatter? I mean there is a rotation of skills and some of them are casted so its not like they can do it in second or ?

Agreed. Mesmer should be nerfed. Guardian should be nerfed. Thief less so imo. A minor nerf perhaps.

But instead Anet buffed the best classes :S. Very wierd balancing

It was nice to see some different team comps without mesmers. I’m certainly for buffing/nerfing to reduce the need for “mandatory” professions in tournaments. It is unfortunate that every team must take a mesmer (and definitely a guardian…and probably a necro, ele, and thief).

I mean…you have to have a mesmer to win teamfights. You have to have a necro to counter bunker guardians. You have to have a thief to counter their necro. You have to have a guardian to counter their thief. You have to have an ele because d/d bunker. Are any teams running a (significantly) different composition? Is there a counter-pick for it? I’m not a great player so I don’t know, maybe some combination of professions can counter the current mandatory professions…

Its harder to play against a Mesmer and come out on top by hitting the right buttons in response to the buttons the Mesmer is hitting. You actually have to out-play the Mesmer. Here’s a few tips from a long time Mesmer: pay attention, dodge roll.

Miku Lawrence.6329:

It’s not simple, use your brains.
@ Kitiara, not everyone uses macros – the solution is to ban abusers, not to nerf a class.
AoEs can destroy clones, a shatter combo takes like 5 seconds from blank without utilities involved, 3 if Mirror Images, 1-2 with macro (?).

Macro or no macro it is irrelevant. Nothing easier than to sit for few hours and train your hand to press 5-6 keys quickly (even if it took that many and it does not). Some people call that skill (o my god look at me, how fast i can mash 4 keys)….I laugh.

Existence of combos that insta ppl 100%-0% without possibility to react is a problem in any game. Neither warrior nor thief have that, both of their combos can be escaped with stun breaker and reasonable reaction time (if you want nerf them both I do not care, but mesmer one is worse because it is instant + it is more frequently pulled).

You claim it is not insant: it is once 3 illusions are up and ready, which he can easily achieve by switching to staff.
If you approach mesmer when he is surrounded by his illusions he will daze shatter them then just: mirror images, dodge and mind wreck and u are done. I do nto say this is what they do, but it is an example what can be done. This is for example instant, first shatter leaves me with tons of weakness stacks and leaves mesmer with ton of might, second just puts me to 0% or leaves me scrambling to live with 10% health.

Another problem is of course “cost” of mesmer burst:
Warrior needs to put in two utilities on high CD and be exposed to recieve 50% higher dmg if countered (he can avoid that by popping third utility).
Thief also has to pop his utilities and his elite. All on high CD.
Mesmer needs to put in one utility (in example i gave) and be safe afterwards (staff kiting (teleport, essentially stun break on 8 sec timer), pistol 2 sec stun, BF 2 sec invul on 8 sec timer, 2 sec immobilize on 10 sec timer, etc etc).
I really dunno what anet is thinking designing this class. Simply stupid.