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And you are nerfing warrior damage. And conditions already do nothing to this lame build. Always running fast, dodging, healing like a boss. And immune to all condis. With blocks. And knockbacks. So you cant even bunker vs them. Even with a guardian.

Engi (bunker) is the ultimate NO SKILL lame class in this game. They close their eyes all game and push far and cause huge problems. Dealing with them is a nightmare. I feel helpless vs them at times. It sucks. And its so lame.

Please nerf healing turret and make that trait with immunity worse by making it 90% decrease in condi duration

While I dont agree with the amount of kittenness in OP’s topic, and it is pretty heavy lol, I do agree that Engi’s are pretty strong. I’ve got maybe 15 games on mine and it is stupidly easy to pick up, and I was pretty much just mashing buttons. Hopefully the Dec 10th “balance” stuff will help a bit (lets be honest though nobody is expecting that to really balance things out) since they wont have perma vigor and easy burns.

PS prepare for the Engi attacks over your 2nd paragraph lol.

i can say that necro is no skill and lame. i dont understand how you even complain about something as necro. your class is a faceroll since 25th of june. if you nerf AR on engis you should nerf necro condi/fear spam.

Nix.3152:

i can say that necro is no skill and lame. it is so sweet to see necro kitten. if you nerf AR on engis you should nerf necro condi/fear spam.

At least necro dies. OP stuff in this game is stuff which never dies and still kills you/caps a point. Like old s/d ele, bunker engi now, warrior now and s/d thief

I know a lot about engineer bunkers, so I can tell you how to beat them if you want. But I’m guessing that’s not what this thread is looking for.

I have no issue with nerfing automated response, since apparently people think it’s good. Healing turret is also a good heal skill, maybe about as strong as healing spring in terms of overall usefulness (lower CD/higher hps, shorter water field/fewer conditions removed).

Honestly though, threads like this need to stop. When we exaggerate things (“X takes no skill/horribly OP/needs massive nerfs”) one of two things happens:

1. Anet ignores the feedback because it’s obviously not constructive
2. Worse, Anet takes some of the suggestions and we get stuff like the dhuumfire patch or the current state of warriors

Also, I must remind the OP that the meta will get shaken to the core on Dec. 10th, so calling for nerfs before we even get a chance to see what meta emerges is an overall bad idea.

Lastly, can you please give me the name of one of these bunker engineers? I’ve always wanted to meet another one.

I mentioned this thread about a fortnight ago. I don’t mind the boons. I don’t mind how many they can stack. I respect it is a non passive profession..just SOME (not all builds) stack/chain the duration of the boons to be over board. (95% regen/100%swiftness/90%vigor/25-35%viable might/fury on certain builds.)

However, ya know..black powder-leap..rinse-repeat…hammer-hammer-hammer-rinse-repeat…it is by no means the only anti-fun build running currently.

I agree with the above guy..they have been fairly under the radar, but they fit the current design ideal. Soft armour necro’s tank better than medium armour rangers/thieve’s. Engineer’s medium armour solo node defends better than guardian heavy armour. Warrior heavy armour moves as fast as the thief..mesmer is just mesmer and we all pick on ele.

Lordrosicky.5813:

And you are nerfing warrior damage. And conditions already do nothing to this lame build. Always running fast, dodging, healing like a boss. And immune to all condis. With blocks. And knockbacks. So you cant even bunker vs them. Even with a guardian.

Engi (bunker) is the ultimate NO SKILL lame class in this game. They close their eyes all game and push far and cause huge problems. Dealing with them is a nightmare. I feel helpless vs them at times. It sucks. And its so lame.

Please nerf healing turret and make that trait with immunity worse by making it 90% decrease in condi duration

I agree, way too much easily applied damage and cc for the extreme survivability on such builds.

I think here (Spvp) bunker engineer needs nerf but the nerf to speedy kits should be enough to take away at least some of that bunkering. That being said calling engineer no skill and spam is one of the dumbest things I have heard. Proper combos actually require decent knowledge of the class and what you can do with it (which is plenty).

Now on another note. These pure whine threads have get to stop. I think and necromancer posting a thread kittening about engies takes the prize for the the pot calling the kettle black. Even taking time to defend number one offender if condi spam in follow up post. Conditions need nerf but this self centered one class is ruining the game garbage is just dumb. Condi heavy builds need a nerf and that’s about it. Either nerf the DPS or the survivability.

You know what class takes skill, rangers.

Longbow rangers are op against engineer and necro shouldn’t ever lose against engineer.

AR just needs a complete redesign and everythings fine with them. It plain sucks that no matter how good you play, theres no way to kill AR engis with certain specs.

Just to add my points as a engi,

1: AR (immunity in general) is bad design. I try my hardest (which means I just don’t use it) not to use AR.
Necros CAN condi dump you at 30~ percent hp. BUT if engis run melandru runes/elixir c we will live and AR will keep us alive vs necro forever, UNLESS they run the golem, which probably died long before I am low hp.
Engis with flamethrower can kil AR engi… the other condi engis can’t our duration isn’t long enough.

2:the bunker engi… ISN’T viable. Sorry nevir. (btw if you want to talk to one find Anabolly)

The decap from engis come from running rifle. ANY engi can use that. No reason to be a bunker 2. (which btw isnt a bunker just tanky. They die 1v2 very quickly)

The build is pretty insane and has nearly no Counter. We tried it yesterday in Team-Q and our engi could outlast 2 warriors for about 1 minute. It’s more or less the new-bunker ele, with more cc.

JinDaVikk.7291:

Engis with flamethrower can kil AR engi… the other condi engis can’t our duration isn’t long enough.

Depends on the amulett youre running. Any amulett without power stat will give you a tough time killing the AR Engi with your flamethrower. If the AR Engi isnt kittened in dodging/blocking its closely impossible or will take you like 5 minutes.

I have to agree that bunker engi is pretty powerful.. With this build you can dominate anyone once you learn your combos and learn how to spam effectively. This build has almost everything in it and condi spam up the kitten(if you take grenades/bombs). I think it has to be toned down somewhat. I think this build will see a few nerfs in dec 10th patch? I think i remember seeing a few things.
It is a fun build to play around with when you don’t really feel like trying.

How to beat an Engie; get a mesmer or and a necro together and stand outside the point.

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

The build is pretty insane and has nearly no Counter. We tried it yesterday in Team-Q and our engi could outlast 2 warriors for about 1 minute. It’s more or less the new-bunker ele, with more cc.

If you want to kill an engie, immobilize him. Don’t send a Warrior because they counter those.

the problem is not engis even, it is entire condi/bunker meta

if you want to play burst, you need power/crit leaving room only for 1 stat for survival

as condi build, you can just go for condi dmg while stacking survivability

nerf everybody except power spirit rangers. i’ll be very happy.

Junkpile.7439:

Longbow rangers are op against engineer and necro shouldn’t ever lose against engineer.

I lol’d. Explain, how do you manage to contest a node, prick around with zerg weapon and kill an engineer? Sure, If you give me WvW map and my ranger vs. pretty much any engineer I’ll kill him because of my huge range/kiting advantage. But in tPvP you can’t manage your range and any engineer, bah, any half-decent player will kill you unless you play flawlessly and they’re not any bunker

Dirame.8521:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

The build is pretty insane and has nearly no Counter. We tried it yesterday in Team-Q and our engi could outlast 2 warriors for about 1 minute. It’s more or less the new-bunker ele, with more cc.

If you want to kill an engie, immobilize him. Don’t send a Warrior because they counter those.

Rifle Engis can break immob though..

Can’t wait for the patch… So many cool builds getting buffed.. Including my warrior ones!

Rym.1469:

Junkpile.7439:

Longbow rangers are op against engineer and necro shouldn’t ever lose against engineer.

I lol’d. Explain, how do you manage to contest a node, prick around with zerg weapon and kill an engineer? Sure, If you give me WvW map and my ranger vs. pretty much any engineer I’ll kill him because of my huge range/kiting advantage. But in tPvP you can’t manage your range and any engineer, bah, any half-decent player will kill you unless you play flawlessly and they’re not any bunker

take spirits and autoattack the engi too dead

Rym.1469:

Junkpile.7439:

Longbow rangers are op against engineer and necro shouldn’t ever lose against engineer.

I lol’d. Explain, how do you manage to contest a node, prick around with zerg weapon and kill an engineer? Sure, If you give me WvW map and my ranger vs. pretty much any engineer I’ll kill him because of my huge range/kiting advantage. But in tPvP you can’t manage your range and any engineer, bah, any half-decent player will kill you unless you play flawlessly and they’re not any bunker

Barrage the turrets/crate first, dude. duh. lol

vashio.6297:

I have to agree that bunker engi is pretty powerful.. With this build you can dominate anyone once you learn your combos and learn how to spam effectively. This build has almost everything in it and condi spam up the kitten(if you take grenades/bombs). I think it has to be toned down somewhat. I think this build will see a few nerfs in dec 10th patch? I think i remember seeing a few things.
It is a fun build to play around with when you don’t really feel like trying.

This thread is about BUNKER engi not condi one. Nades/bombs arent bunker.

Vigor is being nerfed on engi.

Feel like trying? Engi is one of the hardest professions to play well. Try warrior thats spam/easy mode.

Rym.1469:

Junkpile.7439:

Longbow rangers are op against engineer and necro shouldn’t ever lose against engineer.

I lol’d. Explain, how do you manage to contest a node, prick around with zerg weapon and kill an engineer? Sure, If you give me WvW map and my ranger vs. pretty much any engineer I’ll kill him because of my huge range/kiting advantage. But in tPvP you can’t manage your range and any engineer, bah, any half-decent player will kill you unless you play flawlessly and they’re not any bunker

Actually zerker ranger dispatches Engis pretty effectively.. One of the more surprising matchups if you try them.

How does the build look like ? p/s for 1 knockback. Vigor and immue condi means 30 points in Alchemy. So it is like 0/0/20/30/20.
Utility is tool kit for additional block. A stunbreaker is for sure taken. And last slot FT for knockback?

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

The build is pretty insane and has nearly no Counter. We tried it yesterday in Team-Q and our engi could outlast 2 warriors for about 1 minute. It’s more or less the new-bunker ele, with more cc.

I saw a team using it on GW2PvPTV last night, you team?

Anyway, the biggest trouble he had came from Thieves and Warriors running extra stability. There are probably other options out there.

My collection of QQ’s:
Warriors=OP, “no brain stun spamer with OP healing signet”
Spirit Rangers=OP, “no brain 1111 spamers, Spirit of Nature is OP”
Thievs=OP, “no brain evasion spamers”
Necros=OP, “no brain condi/aoe spamers” or “AI does ur work”
Engineer=OP, “no brain condi/aoe spamer” or “Perma vigor and swiftness are OP”
Mesmers=OP, “Phantasmal nabs AI does ur work”
RLY? Stop qq. And yeah, everyone, who beated u is a nab, remember this, it’s not ur foult, just blame anet…

ye and all this threads made by lordrosicky^^

Rym.1469:

Junkpile.7439:

Longbow rangers are op against engineer and necro shouldn’t ever lose against engineer.

I lol’d. Explain, how do you manage to contest a node, prick around with zerg weapon and kill an engineer? Sure, If you give me WvW map and my ranger vs. pretty much any engineer I’ll kill him because of my huge range/kiting advantage. But in tPvP you can’t manage your range and any engineer, bah, any half-decent player will kill you unless you play flawlessly and they’re not any bunker

Well it’s game mode problem.

JinDaVikk.7291:

2:the bunker engi… ISN’T viable. Sorry nevir. (btw if you want to talk to one find Anabolly)

The decap from engis come from running rifle. ANY engi can use that. No reason to be a bunker 2. (which btw isnt a bunker just tanky. They die 1v2 very quickly)

Heheh I know, but I keep trying to make it work because it’s a very fun, actively defensive playstyle. Someday I’ll convince a team to let me try it out in a teamqueue, but it hasn’t happened yet, so I just do bombs/nades there.

And apparently at least one person thinks its OP! Which is surprising since top players like yourself agree bunker engi isn’t viable.

NevirSayDie.6235:

JinDaVikk.7291:

2:the bunker engi… ISN’T viable. Sorry nevir. (btw if you want to talk to one find Anabolly)

The decap from engis come from running rifle. ANY engi can use that. No reason to be a bunker 2. (which btw isnt a bunker just tanky. They die 1v2 very quickly)

Heheh I know, but I keep trying to make it work because it’s a very fun, actively defensive playstyle. Someday I’ll convince a team to let me try it out in a teamqueue, but it hasn’t happened yet, so I just do bombs/nades there.

And apparently at least one person thinks its OP! Which is surprising since top players like yourself agree bunker engi isn’t viable.

Lordrosicky makes a topic like this every week…

haha lordi, why no ranger qq this time? :P
i enjoy gw2 forum talk so much

I’m very, very sorry; since when ‘OP’ <25% ANY character doesn’t die from simple burst of almost any class?
You play condition meta, ask nerf conditions and at the same time whine on smth (AR) that just calls for burst… are you hearing yourself?

bromi.7809:

I’m very, very sorry; since when ‘OP’ <25% ANY character doesn’t die from simple burst of almost any class?
You play condition meta, ask nerf conditions and at the same time whine on smth (AR) that just calls for burst… are you hearing yourself?

Automated immunity is bad design. Giving people more
tools to deal with applied conditions is one thing. Making them
immune below a certain threshold is another as it hardcounters
any condition build. Again, an advantage due to build is fine,
the fact that a certain type of damage flat out doesn’t work is not.
That’s the same as if warriors had a GM trait in defense that gives them
immunity to physical damage below 25% health.

And please don’t come with warrior zerker stance. It only lasts 8 seconds
(52 secs downtime!) and he has to give up a utility slot.

No, i won’t come up. I would be glad if someone had this trait, cos gameplay of counter-to-counter is more interesting to me, especially in conquest mode, than test of who better evades (probably cos i am, of course, bad at evades).

and IDK ele diamonds are incoming anyway.

bromi.7809:

and IDK ele diamonds are incoming anyway.

God this is such a fail. More condi immunity. I am sure it will be fun having an INSTA GIB s/f ele chasing me round the map WHO I CANT CC/PEAL FOR MYSELF at all with. Fear shouldnt be effected by condi immunity imo

diamond skin is dogkitten, every ele who is willing to spend 30 points into earth for that trait can have it, one of the worst traits you can possible go imo.

I disagree apollo, Diamond Skin + Ether Renewal + Rock Solid make it pretty hard for a condi class to keep the ele’s health low enough to keep the pressure on.

I don’t think Condi builds are going to be any good as home node defenders anymore on Dec. 10. They’ll only be good in team fights because there is more to cleanse there.

AR? isn’t that only good against condition builds? Besides, I don’t see how useful it can be at 25% health…

Well this prompted me to try AR, LOL

No, engies have access to wayy too many boons way too often and condi immunity.

They’re like the opposite of necromancers – they can spam boons nonstop

Anabol.4965:

My collection of QQ’s:
Warriors=OP, “no brain stun spamer with OP healing signet”
Spirit Rangers=OP, “no brain 1111 spamers, Spirit of Nature is OP”
Thievs=OP, “no brain evasion spamers”
Necros=OP, “no brain condi/aoe spamers” or “AI does ur work”
Engineer=OP, “no brain condi/aoe spamer” or “Perma vigor and swiftness are OP”
Mesmers=OP, “Phantasmal nabs AI does ur work”
RLY? Stop qq. And yeah, everyone, who beated u is a nab, remember this, it’s not ur foult, just blame anet…

Why you no blame Ele? XD

To OP

Try power necro with 2 wells and corrupt boon, Engi will drop down real fast :P

Thedenofsin.7340:

No, engies have access to wayy too many boons way too often and condi immunity.

They’re like the opposite of necromancers – they can spam boons nonstop

Maybe give us some examples where Engies get so much more boons from, because this is plain wrong. Theres not less access to boons on any other profession…

KumaTazZ.8054:

To OP

Try power necro with 2 wells and corrupt boon, Engi will drop down real fast :P

Yeh but I will be dead to everyone else long before that

Ameno.6813:

AR? isn’t that only good against condition builds? Besides, I don’t see how useful it can be at 25% health…

No it is good against everyone because everyone has some conditions. Often to set up bursts like immobilize or chill or fear or something.

The trait could be reworked to only effect bleed/burn/torment.

Bunker engi is lame? I guess that’s because you can’t just mindlessly spam condis on them and have to condi burst them at around 30% life…you know AR doesn’t cleanse existing condis right?
Also, Diamond Skin works above 90% (or 85%?) life, that is a whopping 1.5k life to remove. Clearly OP.

Make bunker engi – duel decent necro + decent thief/war = gg

srsly if u think its extremely good just try it vs top teams if they are smart they can
a) kill you with 2 ppl reasonably fast (as long as one of them is condi – just like you counter bunker guard with condi as well..) or b) know how to counter using certain classes / builds

try it

you will see

edit: works really well against noobs who dont know how to react though!