Guild Wars 2

I’m Phaeton(n), currently unfortunate enough to be rank 47. I play several classes and builds, however I do suffer from a condition known as warrior fanboyism. Side effects include.

A. Reluctance to play more viable classes
B. Unrealistic opinions on my own abilities versus that of all other warriors
C. An obsession with burst damage

Upon the advent of the 26th of march I was shocked like many of you to discover that my GS build (20/25/0/10/15) had been significantly worsened, owing to a certain ‘tweak’ to frenzy.

After butchering my.. never mind that.. After hearing this I decided to try and invent a viable burst build that didn’t use frenzy, or at least had enough spike for a 150% action to be useful against seasoned players. As you all are aware options are pretty limited right now.

We know the longbow builds, and there are several threads for those. Below is an interesting and completely different take on the burst warrior.

If people can follow this example by posting other builds here it might be useful. They need to be fresh ideas though.

Here it is.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQRAnc8encOEFcLE6OwEZAw8oogGS9ot6kLVQMA;TwAg0CnoyxkjIHbOuck5sgYwxGhJBA

I’m not going to tell you how to play it. But if you’ve played tons of warrior and have time to kill then give it a try. The skill cap is.. considerable.. so those not used to playing full glass might want to try something else. It is however very pvp orientated with instant utilities and no finicky combos. Feel free to ask questions.

You may be asking yourself why I’m using an off hand sword with a power build. After pulling off your first 5k rip (making full use of leg specialist, instant debuffs/buffs to facilitate), you might understand. Then again it could turn out to be horrible, and we’re all screwed.

Enjoy.

EDIT: runes changed in this link, as previous runes were bugged:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQRAnc8encOEFcLE6OwEZAw8oogGS9ot6kLVQMA;TwAg0Cno4ywlgLLXOukctgYwxGhJBA

seems decent enough, doubt its top tier or anything like that, but i gotta know, why in gods name would u run signet of might over FGJ? 5s of might for ~15 seconds seems way worse then 3s of might for 30 seconds and fury AND AoE. care to clarify?

SwickHobo.5096:

seems decent enough, doubt its top tier or anything like that, but i gotta know, why in gods name would u run signet of might over FGJ? 5s of might for ~15 seconds seems way worse then 3s of might for 30 seconds and fury AND AoE. care to clarify?

Because you need to hit as hard as you can. You get 3 stacks of might almost from passive too so you can pop it mid evisc if you’re concerned with boon stripping. From a team perspective fgj is much stronger, but warriors are a selfish breed and need that dps to be useful. You can ‘stack’ might very easily from fgj if you run hoelbrack and fire runes (3 of each) however again this can be finicky as you’ll never use fgj exactly when you want to (more subject to boon stripping). This then also synergised well with sigils of battle, but IMO that guaranteed crit (so easily set up by shield bash, hamstring or flurry if you have to) is more functional. Hope this answered your question.

That said if your allies need fury it might be a better choice. Banners are another route, but I’m finding them a bit finicky at the moment. Anyone experienced burst war with the new banners here?

Phaeton.9582:

SwickHobo.5096:

seems decent enough, doubt its top tier or anything like that, but i gotta know, why in gods name would u run signet of might over FGJ? 5s of might for ~15 seconds seems way worse then 3s of might for 30 seconds and fury AND AoE. care to clarify?

Because you need to hit as hard as you can. You get 3 stacks of might almost from passive too so you can pop it mid evisc if you’re concerned with boon stripping. From a team perspective fgj is much stronger, but warriors are a selfish breed and need that dps to be useful. You can ‘stack’ might very easily from fgj if you run hoelbrack and fire runes (3 of each) however again this can be finicky as you’ll never use fgj exactly when you want to (more subject to boon stripping). This then also synergised well with sigils of battle, but IMO that guaranteed crit (so easily set up by shield bash, hamstring or flurry if you have to) is more functional. Hope this answered your question.

That said if your allies need fury it might be a better choice. Banners are another route, but I’m finding them a bit finicky at the moment. Anyone experienced burst war with the new banners here?

is two stacks of might really gonna make that big of a difference? i’m pretty sure fury is more valuable to yourself and your team. Especially since the sigil of intelligence is buggy, plus it doesn’t work very well with fast hands, or quick bursts. But that’s an entirely sepererate issue.

On the banner point, discipline would technically do more damage then both FGJ and the Signet of Might, not sure how good strength is tho tbh, the two skill is atrocious. if im gonna go through the trouble to pick up some clunky kitten banner, it kitten well better worth my time. At least discipline gives a hefty amount of fury. Although in terms of pure DPS banner of STR. gives more power then the active of the signet as well, as well as it being unstripable.
also:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune_of_Strength
Doesn’t work.

Cheers for the feedback!

A: it’s a strong argument. I’d say 2 extra stacks on a glass burst is more valuable than 3 on whoever you’re with, but for big fights then yeah it’s a good point. Weapon swap sigils have been patched as far as I’m aware, and the idea is to immobalise/stun then eviscerate on weapon swap

B: discipline would no doubt be the best choice for this build If you can make a banner work. It may be more use for clutch fights too, I can see teams that would definitely prefer this..

C: Was not aware of the bug. Scholar or that rune combo I mentioned would be nice.. Thanks for pointing it out!

Ive recently seen immobilize warriors being used to some good effect.

Phaeton.9582:

Cheers for the feedback!

A: it’s a strong argument. I’d say 2 extra stacks on a glass burst is more valuable than 3 on whoever you’re with, but for big fights then yeah it’s a good point. Weapon swap sigils have been patched as far as I’m aware, and the idea is to immobalise/stun then eviscerate on weapon swap

B: discipline would no doubt be the best choice for this build If you can make a banner work. It may be more use for clutch fights too, I can see teams that would definatly prefer this..

C: Was not aware of the bug. Scholar or that rune combo I mentioned would be nice.. Thanks for pointing it out!

If the might from the signet was the same length as the ones from FGJ i could somewhat understand, but the uptime on that signet is quite low, if u traited signet CD then i would understand for sure.
I just ran this build however (albeit in a hot join) with the banner of disc. and it worked quite well although almost everyone in the lobby was glass so i tore through them like butter. funny to watch people drop from eviscerate, that’s for sure.

SwickHobo.5096:

If the might from the signet was the same length as the ones from FGJ i could somewhat understand, but the uptime on that signet is quite low, if u traited signet CD then i would understand for sure.
I just ran this build however (albeit in a hot join) with the banner of disc. and it worked quite well although almost everyone in the lobby was glass so i tore through them like butter. funny to watch people drop from eviscerate, that’s for sure.

Yeah didn’t want to oversell the burst skill but it’s much more effective in this build.

Eviscerate/rip crits on bunkers are fairly lethal too! Can’t be too hasty (no pun intended) with it until its properly tested against seasoned players, however..

And yeah agree with you about might duration and fgj, it’s a tough call though for pure spike.

EDIT: oh read that wrong. I’d switch between signet CD and immob breaks depending on the enemy team (it’s very useful versus immob heavy classes)

how2warrior

axe/shield
30/20/0/20/0

great justice/shake off/fearbomb

go in. stun with shield. fear bomb. eviscerate. win.

forrae.6708:

how2warrior

axe/shield
30/20/0/20/0

great justice/shake off/fearbomb

go in. stun with shield. fear bomb. eviscerate. win.

Apparently you live in a world where people have 7k health and no armor.

fury oriented build
20/15/15/0/20

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQRAnZ3ejcOxwJPGPMRCA8BrMKKKo7BqUKa7OA;TwAg0KnoUyokQJrSOlkKtyYMyGhJEA

Now you know why it’s called RIP.

Phaeton.9582:

If people can follow this example by posting other builds here it might be useful. They need to be fresh ideas though.

Here’s the build I’m currently running:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIIQRBHTxG2IoTsbMkwDTcAApoKwMPKaogUKsrOA;TwAg0CnoKyUkoIbRuikFtgYYx+jZEA

It’s got high damage and slightly more survivability then your typical burst build, and coupled with high mobility (sword/horn), plus a fairly decent amount of CC to land vulnerability stackers and solid Eviscerates.

I’ve gotten 6-7k Evis on defensive players with an axe2 —> mace4 --> Bullrush —> mace5 --> Evis combo.

Plus spamming axe1 is actually highly effective lol

I tried to get as much condi removal as I could be alas, warriors simply suck at removing condis, no matter how hard we try

(please don’t say “U CUN UZE SHOUTZ!!!” sacrificing all utilities and an entire set of runes just to remove conditions is ridiculous :P)

But yeah, I haven’t had extensive play with this build cause I’ve been testing hammer builds out as well, but out of what I have gotten from it is that it’s actually very good. Sure a subpar version of the frenzy/100B burst, but we can’t really hope to match our once sole viable tourney spec until Anet freaking fixes our broken kitten lol…..

P.S. I switch BR for bolas in hotjoins, the scrubbies who inhabit those pug rooms more often then not have a brain fart when hit with a 5.5 sec immobilize LOL Amazing for stacking vuln and landing massive hits. But ofc in tourneys almost everyone removes it instantly

monkeyboy.5324:

fury oriented build
20/15/15/0/20

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQRAnZ3ejcOxwJPGPMRCA8BrMKKKo7BqUKa7OA;TwAg0KnoUyokQJrSOlkKtyYMyGhJEA

Vicarious.3047:

Phaeton.9582:

If people can follow this example by posting other builds here it might be useful. They need to be fresh ideas though.

Here’s the build I’m currently running:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIIQRBHTxG2IoT1bMkwDTcAApoKwMPKaogUKsrOA;TwAg0CnoKyUkoIbRuikFtgYYx+jZEA

It’s got high damage and slightly more survivability then your typical burst build, and coupled with high mobility (sword/horn), plus a fairly decent amount of CC to land vulnerability stackers and solid Eviscerates.

I’ve gotten 6-7k Evis on defensive players with an axe2 —> mace4 --> Bullrush —> mace5 --> Evis combo.

Plus spamming axe1 is actually highly effective lol

I tried to get as much condi removal as I could be alas, warriors simply suck at removing condis, no matter how hard we try

(please don’t say “U CUN UZE SHOUTZ!!!” sacrificing all utilities and an entire set of runes just to remove conditions is ridiculous :P)

But yeah, I haven’t had extensive play with this build cause I’ve been testing hammer builds out as well, but out of what I have gotten from it is that it’s actually very good. Sure a subpar version of the frenzy/100B burst, but we can’t really hope to match our once sole viable tourney spec until Anet freaking fixes our broken kitten lol…..

P.S. I switch BR for bolas in hotjoins, the scrubbies who inhabit those pug rooms more often then not have a brain fart when hit with a 5.5 sec immobilize LOL Amazing for stacking vuln and landing massive hits. But ofc in tourneys almost everyone removes it instantly

Thanks for the posts. Both have some nice ideas, can definatly see axe mace working for extra vuln/cc. One thing I would say is the stability is overdone on both, and you’ll pretty much have to bring EP to tourneys.

Vicarious – have you tried the empowered trait in tactics with those lyssa runes? Maybe tweaking it slightly to 30 0 15 10 15 (as 4 on the horn removes immob). Rage Sigil CDs will conflict too and might not be ideal given the recent patch, but it’s your call.

Monkeyboy I would suggest starting with a more cookiecutter build in this case, might be a little too off the wall. If you stick with it then try replacing the on kill sigil of accuracy with a sigil of battle so you can spam the weapon swap.

Med.6150:

http://imageshack.us/f/811/ripqk.png/

Now you know why it’s called RIP.

RIP warrior. Like it.

I don’t play Warrior very much and I’ve only played HB and Cond DPS, but I decided to make a build anyway!

http://tinyurl.com/btznjyz
Spam dodge rolls, Guardian Style.

Looks decent at least, tell me how bad it is =D

According to my friend Warhorn has vigor on it so swap that for Shield, did not know (because I’m the best warrior of all time).

And signet of stamina doesn’t stack with Vigor, I give up Warrior theorycrafting, I’m too bad.

Was about to mention bug, don’t worry it’s not as easy as you might think

monkeyboy.5324:

fury oriented build
20/15/15/0/20

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQRAnZ3ejcOxwJPGPMRCA8BrMKKKo7BqUKa7OA;TwAg0KnoUyokQJrSOlkKtyYMyGhJEA

FYI – Rune of Rage’s (6) does not work.