Shelter can be stopped by unblockable effects, withdrawl cannot and has a shorter cooldown and removes immobilizes. oh and it evades… Aegis is easy, you pop it once with a junk attack, it’s usually pretty easy to tell when a guardian has it, and they do NOT spam aegis as much as a thief can apply blind. x.X
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…and what did that thief accomplish by dumping his entire ini into dodge? He certanly didn’t do any dmg, he won’t have enough ini to do anything meaningfull for a while, he wasted his heal on another dodge. Now compare it to current mesmers that spam dodges non stop to poop as much AI as possible that actually do considerable dmg. And all this mesmer dodging doesn’t actually put their other spells on CD like it does for thief when the spam sb 3.
I am guessing Countless supposed to be someone “important” yet he doesn’t grasp total difference between sb3 spam and mes dodge spam? I am speechless.
The thief can dodge as much as a mesmer and much more if he wants too. Clones summoned by mesmers doding do not do considerable damage, not even close to it.
clones by itself already do more dmg than sb3 + you can use them for shatter, on top of it mesmer dodge doesn’t put mesmer spells on CD… my point stands, thief spamming sb3 didn’t accomplish anything while mesmer did
clones by itself already do more dmg than sb3 + you can use them for shatter, on top of it mesmer dodge doesn’t put mesmer spells on CD… my point stands, thief spamming sb3 didn’t accomplish anything while mesmer did
Clones hit for nothing. You are correct, they are used for shatters. Problem just is, you cannot hit the evading thief. The clones will be chasing him, and not reaching their target, before he is evading again. With that many evades, it is fairly easy to avoid the telegraphed attacks of the phantasms as well.
By evading you are accomplishing something. You are not taking damage.
…and what did that thief accomplish by dumping his entire ini into dodge? He certanly didn’t do any dmg, he won’t have enough ini to do anything meaningfull for a while, he wasted his heal on another dodge. Now compare it to current mesmers that spam dodges non stop to poop as much AI as possible that actually do considerable dmg. And all this mesmer dodging doesn’t actually put their other spells on CD like it does for thief when the spam sb 3.
I am guessing Countless supposed to be someone “important” yet he doesn’t grasp total difference between sb3 spam and mes dodge spam? I am speechless.
The thief can dodge as much as a mesmer and much more if he wants too. Clones summoned by mesmers doding do not do considerable damage, not even close to it.
clones by itself already do more dmg than sb3 + you can use them for shatter, on top of it mesmer dodge doesn’t put mesmer spells on CD… my point stands, thief spamming sb3 didn’t accomplish anything while mesmer did
The clones do no damage by themselves(staff clones slightly different) shattering does which put clones on cooldown, evading a little bit(not all the initative) and then using the clusterbomb for example achieves the same thing but with no cooldown!.
Clones also have the most kittened ai i’ve ever seen in a game for years, they don’t even go for the mesmers target………
for example mesmer has rock dog on him, mesmer dodges, clone spawns and attack rock dog, mesmer tries to shatter the thief, clones shatter on rockdog
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clones by itself already do more dmg than sb3 + you can use them for shatter, on top of it mesmer dodge doesn’t put mesmer spells on CD… my point stands, thief spamming sb3 didn’t accomplish anything while mesmer did
Clones hit for nothing. You are correct, they are used for shatters. Problem just is, you cannot hit the evading thief. The clones will be chasing him, and not reaching their target, before he is evading again. With that many evades, it is fairly easy to avoid the telegraphed attacks of the phantasms as well.
By evading you are accomplishing something. You are not taking damage.
so did the mesmer….except the mesmer did potentionally more dmg than thief and still has his CDs while thief doesn’t
clones by itself already do more dmg than sb3 + you can use them for shatter, on top of it mesmer dodge doesn’t put mesmer spells on CD… my point stands, thief spamming sb3 didn’t accomplish anything while mesmer did
Clones hit for nothing. You are correct, they are used for shatters. Problem just is, you cannot hit the evading thief. The clones will be chasing him, and not reaching their target, before he is evading again. With that many evades, it is fairly easy to avoid the telegraphed attacks of the phantasms as well.
By evading you are accomplishing something. You are not taking damage.
so did the mesmer….except the mesmer did potentionally more dmg than thief and still has his CDs while thief doesn’t
or the thief did potentionally more damage than the mesmer since he evaded everything while since the shortbow 3 while doing little damage is more than no damage, slightly below shortbow auto attack so 1k+ish crits on light armor zerkers and probably procced a fire sigil.
leaving the thief with his ultra slow initative regen while the mesmer is left his main burst on cd, no clones to use for invulnerability etc, no endurance.
Thief with feline grace(the maaaaain problem imo) can already do 1 more evade than say a mesmer if he has vigor up(lyssa/heal), before using any of his weapon skill evades or utilitier
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That thief didn’t even have the vigor boon up or the Hastened Replenishment trait, and he could have also tried weapon swaping to another shortbow, sword/dagger, or dagger dagger and do a 3 spam with Quick Pockets and energy sigil (also, Feline Grace!)…
are you seriously implying that sb3 does more dmg than clone spam + shatter? wow, i saw everything now
No i didn’t, it does however deal more damage than a shatter right into a evade spamming thief
Immobilize, chill, CC, cripple, and some well-timed attacks can destroy virtually any evasion build.
OR any other build for that matter, but easier vs any other build not relying on evades
Evasion builds tend to use evasion as their only defensive mechanic. No defensive stats, virtually no stealth…You pull those counters on an evasion thief, and unless they’re the real deal, they’re going to get absolutely smashed to pieces. These are evasion build-specific counters. Sure, they’re good to have against builds of all other types, but against evasion, they have the additional benefit of annihilating those builds’ only real defensive mechanism.
are you seriously implying that sb3 does more dmg than clone spam + shatter? wow, i saw everything now
No i didn’t, it does however deal more damage than a shatter right into a evade spamming thief
Immobilize, chill, CC, cripple, and some well-timed attacks can destroy virtually any evasion build.
OR any other build for that matter, but easier vs any other build not relying on evades
Evasion builds tend to use evasion as their only defensive mechanic. No defensive stats, virtually no stealth…You pull those counters on an evasion thief, and unless they’re the real deal, they’re going to get absolutely smashed to pieces. These are evasion build-specific counters. Sure, they’re good to have against builds of all other types, but against evasion, they have the additional benefit of annihilating those builds’ only real defensive mechanism.
I see what you mean, it’s a helluva good defensive mechanic though since it’s easier to have access too and usually “instant” cast, i don’t think i’d have as much complaints about thieves if they had more defense through other means though.
It’s kinda disgusting how bad a s/d thief can afford to play right now(not as bad as a warrior though!) compared to many other of the common tpvp builds, i don’t mind d/p because they are easier to lock down and generally more fun to play even if they tend to win vs me most of the time.
But anyway initiative and hp differences is the blame here, it’s such a broken mechanic and don’t belong to the gameplay of GW2, it’s either going to be op as hell or kittenty, or take way too much effort to try to balance.
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And i mean look at a certain top level thief on eu side who plays S/D, he have good tactical playstyle and quite good game sense and is a nice guy but his mechanics are at the level of the general WvWvW people i find when i actully enter that area. I saw him play d/p last night and it was DISGUSTING how bad he was, sure he was probably rusty and stuff but a certain mesmer who have rerolled thief like 2-3 days ago is already leagues better because he has the mechanical skills.
It’s STUPID how a build can be so strong and yet so easy to play and be effective with, If you played this kittenay a mesmer or elementalist you would be DESTROYED by anyone with above average skill.
I’m pretty darn sure i could pick up S/D right which i got like 30min of experience with and give someone like helseth/supcutie/misha/djooce/phatantarm etc a hard time, while they should basicly faceroll me
I wouldn’t mind it if it was more like PU condi mesmers or other pure dueling builds which are stupidly strong in duels and practicly useless in conquest, but it’s strong in every game mode(or well dno about pve..)
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lol are you serious Cynz? The only viable tpvp spec mesmer has relies on shatters, not ai. Our Phantasms do initial damage, and then we shatter them. Learn something about other classes for once.
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lol are you serious Cynz? The only viable tpvp spec mesmer has relies on shatters, not ai. Our Phantasms do initial damage, and then we shatter them. Learn something about other classes for once.
if ppl gonna make absurd claims like full evade thief can actually kill someone i will also make such absurd claims that mesmers rely on ai only
besides who are you to tell me what to learn and not? you weren’t forced to play MM necro, instead joe just babysits your mes and forces other ppl to play other classes so YOU can fit into the team…
i don’t wanna hear ANY preaching from a guy who went to far point for NO REASON whathowever when we needed help at home
as far as mesmer ai goes, i go in stealth, if i fight for example war he has to find me, if i fight mesmer his clones will make sure that mesmer will find me… add to it the fact that if i CC warrior he can’t attack me, if i CC ai based class their pets still attack me despite me using CC on player; ai does make up for crappy skill no matter how you color it
Depends on what you see as a full evade thief? in my eyes a full evade thief is the basic cookie cutter s/d build, i know you can make it even more evade but then it’s quite useless.
And yes mesmser sort of rely on the AI since it’s their ammo and without it you could aswell remove the class :p. i wouldn’t mind if anet remove deceptive evasion and balanced the weapon skills so shatter mesmer could function without it tho, or just rework the whole shatter/clones idea completely along with initative for thieves
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Joe made you go MM necro so you would stop blaming everyone else for you not knowing how to switch to shortbow <3
he said something completely different to me though, in short: we have 2 roamers on team, dusk is my butt buddy so go play mm
back to topic: as far as i understand this thread is about amount of evades thief can archive with *SHORTBOW*+ withdraw and QQ about mesmer nerf; s/d is different story
Joe made you go MM necro so you would stop blaming everyone else for you not knowing how to switch to shortbow <3
he said something completely different to me though, in short: we have 2 roamers on team, dusk is my butt buddy so go play mm
back to topic: as far as i understand this thread is about amount of evades thief can archive with *SHORTBOW*+ withdraw and QQ about mesmer nerf; s/d is different story
This thread to me seems more about how much thief can have access too and made in a humorous way, i don’t think he ment that all you ahve to do is spam shortbow 3…
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Joe made you go MM necro so you would stop blaming everyone else for you not knowing how to switch to shortbow <3
he said something completely different to me though, in short: we have 2 roamers on team, dusk is my butt buddy so go play mm
back to topic: as far as i understand this thread is about amount of evades thief can archive with *SHORTBOW*+ withdraw and QQ about mesmer nerf; s/d is different story
This thread to me seems more about how much thief can have access too and made in a humorous way, i don’t think he ment that all you ahve to do is spam shortbow 3…
well the joke is, thief doesn’t have anything but stealth OR evades… he can’t even have both at the same time…mesmer on other hand…
i honestly couldn’t care less what they do to mesmers as long as my screen isn’t flooded with ai
Joe made you go MM necro so you would stop blaming everyone else for you not knowing how to switch to shortbow <3
he said something completely different to me though, in short: we have 2 roamers on team, dusk is my butt buddy so go play mm
back to topic: as far as i understand this thread is about amount of evades thief can archive with *SHORTBOW*+ withdraw and QQ about mesmer nerf; s/d is different story
This thread to me seems more about how much thief can have access too and made in a humorous way, i don’t think he ment that all you ahve to do is spam shortbow 3…
well the joke is, thief doesn’t have anything but stealth OR evades… he can’t even have both at the same time…mesmer on other hand…
…and you’d want to have both at the same time because…
p.s. you’re forgetting both also have good access to teleports/shadow steps.
Joe made you go MM necro so you would stop blaming everyone else for you not knowing how to switch to shortbow <3
he said something completely different to me though, in short: we have 2 roamers on team, dusk is my butt buddy so go play mm
back to topic: as far as i understand this thread is about amount of evades thief can archive with *SHORTBOW*+ withdraw and QQ about mesmer nerf; s/d is different story
This thread to me seems more about how much thief can have access too and made in a humorous way, i don’t think he ment that all you ahve to do is spam shortbow 3…
well the joke is, thief doesn’t have anything but stealth OR evades… he can’t even have both at the same time…mesmer on other hand…
…and you’d want to have both at the same time because…
p.s. you’re forgetting both also have good access to teleports/shadow steps.
i honestly couldn’t care less what they do to mesmers as long as my screen isn’t flooded with ai
Wrong game, dude.
no, i didn’t say that i want thief to have both, that would make them insanely broken… don’t put words in my mouth
yes, thieves have access to teleports which oh the jokes either cost ini or have very long CD…what is your point?
how is it wrong game? just yesterday i was fighting a mesmer that literary just spammed dodges (while i didn’t even attack him) just to poop as many clones as possible… the screen was cluttered with ai
Reading comprehension isnt your strongest attribute, is it.
p.s. ‘wrong game’ reads ‘if you hate AI, GW2 is the wrong game for you’.
Puting full sentence that would make clear what you mean isn’t YOUR strongest attribute, is it?
When did pvp(player vs player) turned into player vs pet? I must have missed the patch notes.
As far as i know, i am playing Guild Wars 2 and not pokemon online.
it’s not really player vs pet though, as the player is still owning/controlling the pets and you are probably trying to kill the owner of the pets and not the pets themselves(hopfully)
Consider mesmer clones more like huge slow projectiles/ammo for the mesmer which they basicly are.
The “AI” meta doesn’t really exists anymore at top level of play, it’s usually just 1 spirit ranger per team..
Spiirits aint that big of a deal besides the huuuuuuuge annoying particle effects they have when dying/skill activates imo and the body blocking they do ofc.
MM necros are just in solo queue and dueling/hotjoin servers anyway
it’s like people saying wvwvw or spvp is “true pvp”..
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