Guild Wars 2

Hi there.

My name is Defektivex and I’m a Warrior.

Brief history lesson: The only ‘viable’ build for tPvP is GS / X-Shield. High glass, high mobility. Playing as a Roamer for the team.

I set out to bring a little more change to the team setting.

Presenting Longbow/GS:
This build focus’s on LONGBOW first, GS second.
GS is kept to maintain mobility / escape tools while also providing great hand to hand burst.

Clips of it in action:
http://www.twitch.tv/defektive/c/1879770
http://www.twitch.tv/defektive/c/1879657

The Build: (10/30/0/0/30 – V, V X XI, 0, 0, V X XII)
http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mzRM0m9dax9MxVVaqVab8kir707kir7070M7kNb70V7ofD8ofY

The Gear:
6/6 Scholar Runes
Zerker Ammy / Rune

Utilities:
(Standard utilities, Balanced Stance, Frenzy, BC)

Advantages:
Constant Combustive Shot ticks of 1000-1200 (AoE Fire F1 Ability).
High arcing arrow burst (6-9k).
Consistent damage.
AoE Blinds (yay team fights!).

Disadvantage:
If they pile on you, all you have is a GS to escape and pin down. But to be honest, that isn’t much more than just bringing a shield.

Goal of the build:
-Provide heavy team fight damage while remaining safely in the distance.
-High mobility to get from point to point.
-GS 100B burst to finish off stray opponents.

Hope you enjoy it!

It’d be cool to see another warrior viable build get found.
-_- i might look at this. But, im skeptical that it holds up vs good paid teams.

Mankind never went anywhere without the help of trying.

FOR YOUNG THADEUS CASTLE

p.s. that build instagibs faster than a macro’ing EU thief

We should just put out a psa. as long as you have a gs, the rest doesn’t matter lol

Vyndetta.9415:

FOR YOUNG THADEUS CASTLE

p.s. that build instagibs faster than a macro’ing EU thief

If you’re a casual it won’t. There’s a trick to landing HB that even people deemed “top Warriors” can’t capitalize on.

I ran with GS/LB for a while(after they buffed healing surge)

The great part about it is you have off-point dps that can soften targets(and bait rolls) before you ever set foot on a point, and the combo field is wonderful. Anything that removes the warrior from damage center is a good thing.

The bad is that your only defensive utility on the bow is a measly small area blind. There is also a noticeable gap in the sustained DPS .

It’s mostly a support damage build and for that it is pretty great. It doesn’t provide much survivability(compared to other typical sPvP setups), so direct confrontation is usually avoided.

My group laughed at me, but they didn’t complain!

try actually running this in a proper tournament, then you’d die in 3seconds from thief lolol

Three cheers for longbow warriors! Gotta love em’

Defektive.7283:

Advantages:
Constant Burning ticks of 1000-1200.

More like 500, but okay.

Schwahrheit.4203:

EvisceratriX.1750:

try actually running this in a proper tournament, then you’d die in 3seconds from thief lolol

EU doesn’t have a good Warrior because your server relies on cheese more than NA.

Come back to us when you actually have a Warrior that’s close to an innovator in EU please. Better yet come to NA and see how this build out-damages your Thief in a team fight.

A Thief theory crafting on a Warrior build (Let alone he doesn’t know the difference of Long Bow instead of main hand Axe) from a region that relies on cheese and has zero capability of innovation. Nothing new here.

Thank you!

Med.6150:

Defektive.7283:

Advantages:
Constant Burning ticks of 1000-1200.

More like 500, but okay.

Apologies, let me explain.

Non-crit ticks are for 500.

Critical ticks at 1000-1200. At a 70% crit rate, thats more often than not the standard damage you’ll be dealing.

EvisceratriX.1750:

try actually running this in a proper tournament, then you’d die in 3seconds from thief lolol

And I do run this in paids. Consistently.

Defektive.7283:

EvisceratriX.1750:

try actually running this in a proper tournament, then you’d die in 3seconds from thief lolol

And I do run this in paids. Consistently.

Won’t be enough to convince these “cheesy” EU’s who can’t innovate :x

Sorry, name me a good Warrior set-up that EU invented. Oh wait, EU’s “known people” only sticks to forgiving, FOTM, set-ups and cheesy BS like 5 res signets on a tourny. My bad.

ahhh very nice. i thought it was a ranger build for a sec, was ready to roflcopter out of the thread. love warrior LB. high skillcap, greatly underrated, very fun to play and makes a difference.

Defektive.7283:

Med.6150:

Defektive.7283:

Advantages:
Constant Burning ticks of 1000-1200.

More like 500, but okay.

Apologies, let me explain.

Non-crit ticks are for 500.

Critical ticks at 1000-1200. At a 70% crit rate, thats more often than not the standard damage you’ll be dealing.

I don’t think you are talking about burning. You’re probably talking about the explosions from Combustive Shot (tooltip doesn’t state this, but you get 5 ticks every 2 seconds including the initial one). Burning (the condition) ticks for up to 500, if you stack 10+ stacks of Might and it can not crit.

Med.6150:

Defektive.7283:

Med.6150:

Defektive.7283:

Advantages:
Constant Burning ticks of 1000-1200.

More like 500, but okay.

Apologies, let me explain.

Non-crit ticks are for 500.

Critical ticks at 1000-1200. At a 70% crit rate, thats more often than not the standard damage you’ll be dealing.

I don’t think you are talking about burning. You’re probably talking about the explosions from Combustive Shot (tooltip doesn’t state this, but you get 5 ticks every 2 seconds including the initial one). Burning (the condition) ticks for up to 500, if you stack 10+ stacks of Might and it can not crit.

Hidden tooltips aside.

You’re still critting for 1000-1200 as an area wide AoE.

I’ve been playing longbow warrior for a long time and arcing arrow on bow does not seem to have any burning damage at all. It appears to be direct damage.

I also don’t think condition damage crits. Am I missing out something here? I have never ever seen burning crit before.

Arcing Arrow =\= Combustive Shot

Arcing Arrow is the #3 skill (hits for 2-4k, crits for 5-9k)

Combustive lays down a burning field X wide (based on adren).

With this build, you’ll see crits from the AoE (Combustive Shot) of 1000-1200 at 70% the time.

Defektive.7283:

The Gear:
6/6 Scholar Runes
Zerker Ammy / Rune

Utilities:
(Standard utilities, Balanced Stance, Frenzy, BC)

Sigil of fire on both weapons?

Wooyadeen.6491:

Defektive.7283:

The Gear:
6/6 Scholar Runes
Zerker Ammy / Rune

Utilities:
(Standard utilities, Balanced Stance, Frenzy, BC)

Sigil of fire on both weapons?

Yessir. These are completely opinionated choices and is up to the end user to determine which sigils they’d prefer. I have just had the best luck with this setup because:

Sigil of Fire will proc on the Longbow F1’s AoE crit damage.
Because of this it adds a little more oomph to an already string AoE.

Then having it on GS is just standard play for Burst builds.

I see. But

>> Constant Burning ticks of 1000-1200.

Is wrong because the AoE damage only comes from your F1 skill. It isn’t even burning at all if it can crit.

Kid Taylor.5479:

I see. But

>> Constant Burning ticks of 1000-1200.

Is wrong because the AoE damage only comes from your F1 skill. It isn’t even burning at all if it can crit.

I’ll adhere to the grammar police. Regardless, this does not change the effectiveness of the build or the damage it causes. It’s simply semantics.

Hello!

My names Towren, nice to meet you. I liked your clips, where can I find more extensive video’s of game play with the long bow? It looks very interesting and it’ll be nice to see something new and fresh from a warrior!

I would just like to say this though: As a resident of the EU (UK specifically) I do find the anti-EU comments in this thread unnecessary. To accuse an entire continent of people from various cultures/backgrounds to have a negative common personality trait based purely upon their birth place equates to racism.

I understand there seems to be some silly rivalry between the EU and NA servers, and I understand we’re on the internet, but that does not mean we have to perpetuate the false acceptability of bad manners and casual racism as the norm.

Thanks for your time!
Towren

Towren.1745:

Hello!

My names Towren, nice to meet you. I liked your clips, where can I find more extensive video’s of game play with the long bow? It looks very interesting and it’ll be nice to see something new and fresh from a warrior!

I would just like to say this though: As a resident of the EU (UK specifically) I do find the anti-EU comments in this thread unnecessary. To accuse an entire continent of people from various cultures/backgrounds to have a negative common personality trait based purely upon their birth place equates to racism.

I understand there seems to be some silly rivalry between the EU and NA servers, and I understand we’re on the internet, but that does not mean we have to perpetuate the false acceptability of bad manners and casual racism as the norm.

Thanks for your time!
Towren

Some more lengthy footage:

http://www.twitch.tv/defektive/b/356764728

http://www.twitch.tv/defektive/b/361385893

Um, well, since you’re running a longbow, I assume you use f1 often, yes?

So you never have adrenaline..

So you’re completely wasting 2 whole traits, since you run zerk power & hightened focus.

Run restorative strength & signet mastery instead.

You’re welcome your build is now better

You obviously didn’t take a good hard look at the build.

You’re essentially always at full Adren, even with spamming your F1 on cooldown.

30pts in percision = gain adren on crit.
+ Combustion Shot’s AoE critting = you’ll be back to full adren within 1-2 seconds of it being down.

30pts in Discipline will reduce your burst skill costs by a 1/3rd.

Schwahrheit.4203:

Won’t be enough to convince these “cheesy” EU’s who can’t innovate :x

Sorry, name me a good Warrior set-up that EU invented.

Name me anything good that NA invented.

Rika.7249:

Schwahrheit.4203:

Won’t be enough to convince these “cheesy” EU’s who can’t innovate :x

Sorry, name me a good Warrior set-up that EU invented.

Name me anything good that NA invented.

Global Positioning System

Defektive.7283:

Rika.7249:

Schwahrheit.4203:

Won’t be enough to convince these “cheesy” EU’s who can’t innovate :x

Sorry, name me a good Warrior set-up that EU invented.

Name me anything good that NA invented.

Global Positioning System

Of course related to the topic.

Rika.7249:

Defektive.7283:

Rika.7249:

Schwahrheit.4203:

Won’t be enough to convince these “cheesy” EU’s who can’t innovate :x

Sorry, name me a good Warrior set-up that EU invented.

Name me anything good that NA invented.

Global Positioning System

Of course related to the topic.

Defektive’s Longbow/GS build.

I’m from New York.

Defektive.7283:

Rika.7249:

Defektive.7283:

Rika.7249:

Schwahrheit.4203:

Won’t be enough to convince these “cheesy” EU’s who can’t innovate :x

Sorry, name me a good Warrior set-up that EU invented.

Name me anything good that NA invented.

Global Positioning System

Of course related to the topic.

Defektive’s Longbow/GS build.

I’m from New York.

Innovation!

Rika.7249:

Defektive.7283:

Rika.7249:

Defektive.7283:

Rika.7249:

Schwahrheit.4203:

Won’t be enough to convince these “cheesy” EU’s who can’t innovate :x

Sorry, name me a good Warrior set-up that EU invented.

Name me anything good that NA invented.

Global Positioning System

Of course related to the topic.

Defektive’s Longbow/GS build.

I’m from New York.

Innovation!

/ignore

Just another rude kid.

Wooyadeen.6491:

Rika.7249:

Defektive.7283:

Rika.7249:

Defektive.7283:

Rika.7249:

Schwahrheit.4203:

Won’t be enough to convince these “cheesy” EU’s who can’t innovate :x

Sorry, name me a good Warrior set-up that EU invented.

Name me anything good that NA invented.

Global Positioning System

Of course related to the topic.

Defektive’s Longbow/GS build.

I’m from New York.

Innovation!

/ignore

Just another rude kid.

It’s fine, I’m just glad this build is getting its due attention in sPvP now.

Rika.7249:

Schwahrheit.4203:

Won’t be enough to convince these “cheesy” EU’s who can’t innovate :x

Sorry, name me a good Warrior set-up that EU invented.

Name me anything good that NA invented.

BM bunker build.

Hey Defektive. There was a video on State of The Game # 3, and one of the top NA players (Java) mentioned his team played against a team with a couple longbow Warriors and thought they were very strong. Hearing that made me really want to try this build.

Copenhagen.7015:

Hey Defektive. There was a video on State of The Game # 3, and one of the top NA players (Java) mentioned his team played against a team with a couple longbow Warriors and thought they were very strong. Hearing that made me really want to try this build.

Good! I hope you enjoy it!.

The guild in question would be TSTS which is what I’m currently apart of. IDK which of the warriors in the guild (we have some many) they were referring to, but we almost always have atleast one Longbow/GS warrior there.

Schwar came up with the concept with his original 20/30/0/0/20 variation of the build and then I refined it into this.

^
That’d be me and BryBry (The Longbow Hero)

Kinda pointless to argue who invented what since pretty much every possible build has been silently tested whether you know about it or not. The only thing NA invented is taking credits and claiming to be first to come up with something. How embarrassing!

I’ve been trying to make a good Longbow build. I’ll definitely try this one out. Thanks!

22k health and 2.1k armour? You also have absolutely no condition removal.

You will get shredded if caught by a burst/condition spec.

Chi Malady.2015:

22k health and 2.1k armour? You also have absolutely no condition removal.

You will get shredded if caught by a burst/condition spec.

Doesn’t that go for most glass cannons, though? This is basically the standard 100B Warrior with 10 trait points shuffled (less GS damage for more fire fields and AoE damage) and a different secondary set. The loss of the Shield means you have less direct mitigation, but having the Longbow means you don’t always have to be standing directly in the line of fire, either. Warriors in general won’t hold up well against condition specs, so burst is the main factor he needs to consider, and I honestly don’t think this is a bad trade.

The Longbow has had a stigma against it since beta, but here it lets him bring more to a teamfight than he could with Axe/Shield and leaves him less vulnerable to kiting. I see it as sort of a preference thing, and still think Axe/Shield is a valid choice, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see this spec stick around in the meta. It preserves the core of the 100B build while bringing a new style of utility to the table.

Soryuju.8164:

Chi Malady.2015:

22k health and 2.1k armour? You also have absolutely no condition removal.

You will get shredded if caught by a burst/condition spec.

Doesn’t that go for most glass cannons, though? This is basically the standard 100B Warrior with 10 trait points shuffled (less GS damage for more fire fields and AoE damage) and a different secondary set. The loss of the Shield means you have less direct mitigation, but having the Longbow means you don’t always have to be standing directly in the line of fire, either. Warriors in general won’t hold up well against condition specs, so burst is the main factor he needs to consider, and I honestly don’t think this is a bad trade.

The Longbow has had a stigma against it since beta, but here it lets him bring more to a teamfight than he could with Axe/Shield and leaves him less vulnerable to kiting. I see it as sort of a preference thing, and still think Axe/Shield is a valid choice, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see this spec stick around in the meta. It preserves the core of the 100B build while bringing a new style of utility to the table.

Nail on the head.

Chi, that HP / toughness / Condi removal problem is a core issue for tPvP Warriors in general.

If we want to be relevant we have to be glassy, if we’re glassy we have 22k hp and base toughness.

As Soryuju correctly depicted, bringing Longbow to a teamfight provides the Warrior with a method of dealing heavy AoE damage while staying out of harms way.

Chi Malady.2015:

22k health and 2.1k armour? You also have absolutely no condition removal.

You will get shredded if caught by a burst/condition spec.

Really getting sick of know it all nobodies who think they’re the authority on the class and that they have a solid verdict. I’ll give you solid advice whether you like it or not. Read your PM.

Gotta say I really enjoy this. I decided to give sPvP a second chance after not liking it much at first since release. I’m currently rank 7 but I definitely have en easier time then when I was GS + x/shield. I noticed right away that players can’t read me as easily with a LB as they did with GS + x/shield. It felt like other players knew exactly what I was going to do as a Warrior, but that’s not the case anymore. Pin down to 100b is my new favorite combo!

Edit: Defektive if you get a chance, you or someone else should upload some longer footage of this build. I’d really like to see how someone with more experience does it.

Dealing with conditions.

1.) You have range, use it. Most condition specs punishes melee anyways.
-Against caltrops though? Just stay alive and out-damage it in terms of team damage.
2.) Try to stay on par in terms of damage out-put in team fights.
3.) Know how conditions connect. If you can’t dodge Necro marks that are clearly visible in the point of objective then sorry, get your eyes checked.

Dealing with burst (Generally):

1.) You see a Thief with Venom? Pop Balanced Stance before he touches you.
2.) Dealing with Ele? They’re going to get nerfed anyways, don’t get worked up about not being able to match them right now in “un-even odds.”
3.) Mesmer burst? Try to whirlwind attack out of the immobilize. If you get stunned then tough luck. I wouldn’t be too worked up on this part either.

The reason why the build doesn’t have much condition cleansing or burst mitigation inherently is because it scales way too hard with team synergy. You easily take the role of both melee and range carry.

That being said this build can become no-brainer when you have things such as double Ele supporting you. That’s why I hate eles, they make things face-roll. But they’re going to get nerfed so don’t get attached to them.

Nier.2478:

Chi Malady.2015:

22k health and 2.1k armour? You also have absolutely no condition removal.

You will get shredded if caught by a burst/condition spec.

Really getting sick of know it all nobodies who think they’re the authority on the class and that they have a solid verdict. I’ll give you solid advice whether you like it or not. Read your PM.

Such an angry little elf…

This game does a pretty good job at pointing out its own flaws. It doesn’t really matter what builds you play, how effective it is, how well you play, as long as you are aggressive and have access to good mobility in your setup.

That’s point capture mode for you.

I think I fought you once

Just to clear up longbow burst (using similar, not identical build/gearing):
5x ticks of 400 damage, 800 crit (~3k total). (could be 1k on lighter armors)
11x ticks of fire, ~400 dmg (cannot crit) (~4.4k total)

So you’re talking about 7k-9k damage if you can keep your target in the field for the full duration.

It’s my favorite weapon loadout, and this is a good build on it, thanks Def. Brings a lot more practical dps throughput compared to axe/sh, although Schwar’s been saying that for weeks.