Guild Wars 2

sirflamesword.3896:

Lux.7169:

sirflamesword.3896:

Now I understand you, you are more focused on having something “few people have” instead of something you enjoy. Have fun with that mentality.

And you want what the elite have. Now you have it… well, except for the skills we achieved along the way.

You know, because you’ve never actually been in tpvp or solo Q. I just checked.

LOL sorry dude I’ve got less tourneys played than you but it’s still 1300(all of which before the update to rank points gained) so I’m not going to be dragon,but thats not what I wanted I wanted shark because I like it.

Print screen it. I’ll send you 63gold for the screenshot evidently from you. If they’re all before the LB came out you’ll have a lot of QP’s too.

Or add me to skype and you can share screen. Fast 63g to make.

At this point I would be rewarded equally if I played or not for random pve trash, but little did most people know, the more you played after Dec 10th, the less rewards you would be getting when the new system comes on the 15th (55+). If they can’t even reward the 70s with the 25 chests the 55s are getting is just disgusting.

Back on topic: 70 should be the cutoff for dragon because everyone knows the amount rank points have been so much that if you only do pvp you can fill a quarter/half of your total bar in 1 week (from a 150k rank pt bar perspective).

FYI I didn’t say before LB’s(for some reason the leaderboard is screwed up for me), but before the rank points were increased. 80%+ were after Leaderboards were added. And I meant 1200 not 1300 so you don’t jump on me for that.

sirflamesword.3896:

FYI I didn’t say before LB’s(for some reason the leaderboard is screwed up for me), but before the rank points were increased. 80%+ were after Leaderboards were added. And I meant 1200 not 1300 so you don’t jump on me for that.

Well you never appeared in the top 1k so that’s probably why it didn’t show you.

Like you said, 1200 is close to 1300, and 40g is close to 63g. Let me keep 23g for the pvp unlocks? I won’t go back on my word though since you were only… a 100ish games off so if you want full 63 let me know here.

Lux.7169:

Well you never appeared in the top 1k so that’s probably why it didn’t show you.

Like you said, 1200 is close to 1300, and 40g is close to 63g. Let me keep 23g for the pvp unlocks? I won’t go back on my word though since you were only… a 100ish games off so if you want full 63 let me know here.

It may seem like I am against rewarding you all who put in the time and effort, but I really think you should, in rank up chests and other pvp only rewards, while also allowing people to have a realistic shot at maxing rank. I really do think everyone 60+, should have either gotten skins or a title that showed that they got it before the rank was changed. I think it is bs that you don’t, but I really feel the need to defend the rank changes for the health of pvp because I LOVE it(when it has a good meta).

Not going to write a big wall of text but hopefully what I say should be enough.

PvP in GW2 hasn’t been relevant for a while now. Think it’s been something like 2 years.

It was either this or they start selling rank emotes in the gemstore. Either way doesnt matter cause dead pvp scene dead esports dead community no skill braindead aoe cluster condi spam 111111111111111111111 dodge roll 1111111111 heal 1111111 sb auto attack strongg ai op nerf plz metagame 2k14 pro

sirflamesword.3896:

Lux.7169:

Well you never appeared in the top 1k so that’s probably why it didn’t show you.

Like you said, 1200 is close to 1300, and 40g is close to 63g. Let me keep 23g for the pvp unlocks? I won’t go back on my word though since you were only… a 100ish games off so if you want full 63 let me know here.

It may seem like I am against rewarding you all who put in the time and effort, but I really think you should, in rank up chests and other pvp only rewards, while also allowing people to have a realistic shot at maxing rank. I really do think everyone 60+, should have either gotten skins or a title that showed that they got it before the rank was changed. I think it is bs that you don’t, but I really feel the need to defend the rank changes for the health of pvp because I LOVE it(when it has a good meta).

And that’s where we meet on some common ground. If the devs had rewarded anyone above the threshold in SOME way it wouldn’t feel like we were being spited. Be it a title, rank chests, etc etc, but it almost seems as if they went out of their way—intentionally or not—to spite the players who invested the most time in their system.

My friends in-game keep asking me if I am quitting because of how vocal I am being on the forums today. I love the game, I love the flow and combat of pvp. I am not going to quit because I disagree with the direction these changes are taking the game, but I just want to voice my opinion while there is a chance for the devs to reconsider some of the actions they’re taking.

I honestly LOVE most of the changes. I am so excited I get to use my ghastly shield in pvp now, or can bring my quip over. It’s so exciting! I can’t believe we’re actually going to able to make progress towards legendaries in pvp now. That’s fantastic and I could praise them for enabling so many features I love. However, I choose to be vocal over this issue because to me it means something and I realize it does not mean much to many players, but to some of us it was one of the primary reasons we continued to play, through the bad patches and the good.

YourFriendMarvin.4127:

Spooko.5436:

u do get rewarded differently, I get more chests than u

QQ suck it

Stawp :[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[

I’m stawppin, at r60, so I get more fer doin less
cuz that’s pro

Kyon.9735:

This is a bad change overall. So what will High Rankers aim for now that they will hit level cap? Even me, I’m just a Tiger ranked nobody but I’ll be boosted to Bear/Shark level after this patch. It feels like cheating.

Whatever happened to playing a game because you enjoy it? Oh I forgot you need your shiny pixels and bragging rights to make you feel special and the endless carrot on a stick or you will get paralyzed from the neck down.

RoRo.8270:

Kyon.9735:

This is a bad change overall. So what will High Rankers aim for now that they will hit level cap? Even me, I’m just a Tiger ranked nobody but I’ll be boosted to Bear/Shark level after this patch. It feels like cheating.

Whatever happened to playing a game because you enjoy it? Oh I forgot you need your shiny pixels and bragging rights to make you feel special and the endless carrot on a stick or you will get paralyzed from the neck down.

What’s there to keep players after they remove this?

1 tournament a year that rewards basically the same 5 players as the previous year?

Lux.7169:

RoRo.8270:

Kyon.9735:

This is a bad change overall. So what will High Rankers aim for now that they will hit level cap? Even me, I’m just a Tiger ranked nobody but I’ll be boosted to Bear/Shark level after this patch. It feels like cheating.

Whatever happened to playing a game because you enjoy it? Oh I forgot you need your shiny pixels and bragging rights to make you feel special and the endless carrot on a stick or you will get paralyzed from the neck down.

What’s there to keep players after they remove this?

1 tournament a year that rewards basically the same 5 players as the previous year?

I’ll keep playing because I like the game and don’t really care whether or not I have some random pixels upon stomping an enemy… I dunno who was actually aiming to get dragon or used that as their only motivation to play… but they must be one crazy motherkittener…

Arachnid.4062:

Lux.7169:

RoRo.8270:

Kyon.9735:

This is a bad change overall. So what will High Rankers aim for now that they will hit level cap? Even me, I’m just a Tiger ranked nobody but I’ll be boosted to Bear/Shark level after this patch. It feels like cheating.

Whatever happened to playing a game because you enjoy it? Oh I forgot you need your shiny pixels and bragging rights to make you feel special and the endless carrot on a stick or you will get paralyzed from the neck down.

What’s there to keep players after they remove this?

1 tournament a year that rewards basically the same 5 players as the previous year?

I’ll keep playing because I like the game and don’t really care whether or not I have some random pixels upon stomping an enemy… I dunno who was actually aiming to get dragon or used that as their only motivation to play… but they must be one crazy motherkittener…

Who said dragon was some people’s only motivation to play?

I asked a specific question, not one catered to you. What’s to keep players after they remove this? A less efficient way of farming pve loot?

We’re all still here because we love various features the game offers. Do you honestly not see why people would hate these changes?

The sign of a great debater is the ability to take on both sides of the issue at a moments notice. I can argue the opposite side all day long. If you truly understand this issue from both perspectives I’d love to hear you give me the strongest and most convincing counter-arguments to your claims. I’d love it if you’d indulge me.

Lux.7169:

Arachnid.4062:

Lux.7169:

RoRo.8270:

Kyon.9735:

This is a bad change overall. So what will High Rankers aim for now that they will hit level cap? Even me, I’m just a Tiger ranked nobody but I’ll be boosted to Bear/Shark level after this patch. It feels like cheating.

Whatever happened to playing a game because you enjoy it? Oh I forgot you need your shiny pixels and bragging rights to make you feel special and the endless carrot on a stick or you will get paralyzed from the neck down.

What’s there to keep players after they remove this?

1 tournament a year that rewards basically the same 5 players as the previous year?

I’ll keep playing because I like the game and don’t really care whether or not I have some random pixels upon stomping an enemy… I dunno who was actually aiming to get dragon or used that as their only motivation to play… but they must be one crazy motherkittener…

Who said dragon was some people’s only motivation to play?

I asked a specific question, not one catered to you. What’s to keep players after they remove this? A less efficient way of farming pve loot?

We’re all still here because we love various features the game offers. Do you honestly not see why people would hate these changes?

The sign of a great debater is the ability to take on both sides of the issue at a moments notice. I can argue the opposite side all day long. If you truly understand this issue from both perspectives I’d love to hear you give me the strongest and most convincing counter-arguments to your claims. I’d love it if you’d indulge me.

You asked, and I quote: “What’s there to keep players after they remove this?”

My answer, in a nutshell: The gameplay.

Arachnid.4062:

Lux.7169:

Arachnid.4062:

Lux.7169:

RoRo.8270:

Kyon.9735:

This is a bad change overall. So what will High Rankers aim for now that they will hit level cap? Even me, I’m just a Tiger ranked nobody but I’ll be boosted to Bear/Shark level after this patch. It feels like cheating.

Whatever happened to playing a game because you enjoy it? Oh I forgot you need your shiny pixels and bragging rights to make you feel special and the endless carrot on a stick or you will get paralyzed from the neck down.

What’s there to keep players after they remove this?

1 tournament a year that rewards basically the same 5 players as the previous year?

I’ll keep playing because I like the game and don’t really care whether or not I have some random pixels upon stomping an enemy… I dunno who was actually aiming to get dragon or used that as their only motivation to play… but they must be one crazy motherkittener…

Who said dragon was some people’s only motivation to play?

I asked a specific question, not one catered to you. What’s to keep players after they remove this? A less efficient way of farming pve loot?

We’re all still here because we love various features the game offers. Do you honestly not see why people would hate these changes?

The sign of a great debater is the ability to take on both sides of the issue at a moments notice. I can argue the opposite side all day long. If you truly understand this issue from both perspectives I’d love to hear you give me the strongest and most convincing counter-arguments to your claims. I’d love it if you’d indulge me.

You asked, and I quote: “What’s there to keep players after they remove this?”

My answer, in a nutshell: The gameplay.

I think most (no every) r70+ character loves the combat and playing the game only to realize they are shafted the most on the upcoming reward scheme (can you see the opposite side of the argument?) the last straw (or carrot) hanging is just the implementation of the ladder system and “unique” rewards.

Arachnid.4062:

Lux.7169:

Arachnid.4062:

Lux.7169:

RoRo.8270:

Kyon.9735:

This is a bad change overall. So what will High Rankers aim for now that they will hit level cap? Even me, I’m just a Tiger ranked nobody but I’ll be boosted to Bear/Shark level after this patch. It feels like cheating.

Whatever happened to playing a game because you enjoy it? Oh I forgot you need your shiny pixels and bragging rights to make you feel special and the endless carrot on a stick or you will get paralyzed from the neck down.

What’s there to keep players after they remove this?

1 tournament a year that rewards basically the same 5 players as the previous year?

I’ll keep playing because I like the game and don’t really care whether or not I have some random pixels upon stomping an enemy… I dunno who was actually aiming to get dragon or used that as their only motivation to play… but they must be one crazy motherkittener…

Who said dragon was some people’s only motivation to play?

I asked a specific question, not one catered to you. What’s to keep players after they remove this? A less efficient way of farming pve loot?

We’re all still here because we love various features the game offers. Do you honestly not see why people would hate these changes?

The sign of a great debater is the ability to take on both sides of the issue at a moments notice. I can argue the opposite side all day long. If you truly understand this issue from both perspectives I’d love to hear you give me the strongest and most convincing counter-arguments to your claims. I’d love it if you’d indulge me.

You asked, and I quote: “What’s there to keep players after they remove this?”

My answer, in a nutshell: The gameplay.

You want to play quotes?
Q: What’s to keep players after they remove this (high rank caps)?
A: I will keep playing because I like the game

So your answer to what will keep players interested in the game is that you like the gameplay?

You either didn’t answer the question or tried to use inductive reasoning and apply it to everyone in a general fashion. I realize that you clarified it now but initially you took my question out of context because I don’t care what any particular individual wanted but rather what would keep the most active players in the PvP community.

Seriously though, I’d love to see you provide the biggest counter argument to your own claims. Or do you really not understand the other side? I realize you’d rather not put forth the time/effort but it would be interesting to see.

No one spends time in an MMO just for the gameplay. I challenge you to take out all the drops and rewards from PvE and let’s see whether people keep playing the game.

Because, you know…gameplay!

Moral of the story: Carrots and shiny pixels and titles and prestige matter. More than the gameplay.

Its fine how it is, now people won’t be as concerned about the rank points, this change will increase more competitive play.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Lux.7169:

Ostricheggs.3742:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

ok guys how many rank 70+ do we have now in pvp? ill guestimate around 20 and that maybe exagerating by a lot. thats a minority even in a really small pvp community we have. your saying that when 15k players who play pvp, harcore or casual who likes the changes have to listen what the 20 rank70+ players want? gtfo

Let me try to put this in perspective for you. I’ve played this game, /age’d, for 5,000 hours. Minus afk and PvE/WvW time I’d guess that’s about 4,000 hours. Four thousand kittening hours in PvP. That’s almost six months IN GAME. I’d guess that I could have every class leveled to 80 with at least 10 legendarys in the amount of time I’ve played this game’s pvp.

If you want your free dragon emote then so be it, I sure as kitten can’t change it, nor do I even care. I find it shameful though that there will be no carrot on the end of the stick for those that do (or did) actually care. I feel even worse for those that spent even a second grinding rank after rank 55.

Just have a little respect for those like myself who are getting screwed. No retroactive rewards, no extra title for hitting rank 70 before it was free, no rewards after hitting rank 80. I have legit never even SEEN one of those new reward chests and I never will. I honestly don’t give a flying kitten that my time spent playing PvP won’t be rewarded at the end of the day. Phoenix was cool for the exclusivity, sure, and it was great for kittening too.

It’s ok, you’ll get 9 chests. I’d guesstimate the value in gold of those chests are… 3 gold.

All of these r50’s rejoicing makes me want to vomit. Like you said, they could at least have a bit of respect and not rub it in.

i dont really care if they make r55+ dragons or not… i enjoy all the game modes. i played 2.6k hours of both pve and pvp combined, did 5 map completion and 4 legendaries, full ascended gear. im not rank 55 i wont be a dragon and sure as hell i like shark finihser better than phoenix. but like i said your a minority of minorities in pvp community. maybe who knows you guys who are r70+ will get precursor in your bag of goodies when you reach r80.

I would like to point out that I am going to get less bags than anyone because I won’t be leveling up as much as others are. In otherwords I’m getting punished for being a higher rank…

A-net sure is listening to those 20 or so rank 70s eh?

Ostricheggs.3742:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Lux.7169:

Ostricheggs.3742:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

ok guys how many rank 70+ do we have now in pvp? ill guestimate around 20 and that maybe exagerating by a lot. thats a minority even in a really small pvp community we have. your saying that when 15k players who play pvp, harcore or casual who likes the changes have to listen what the 20 rank70+ players want? gtfo

Let me try to put this in perspective for you. I’ve played this game, /age’d, for 5,000 hours. Minus afk and PvE/WvW time I’d guess that’s about 4,000 hours. Four thousand kittening hours in PvP. That’s almost six months IN GAME. I’d guess that I could have every class leveled to 80 with at least 10 legendarys in the amount of time I’ve played this game’s pvp.

If you want your free dragon emote then so be it, I sure as kitten can’t change it, nor do I even care. I find it shameful though that there will be no carrot on the end of the stick for those that do (or did) actually care. I feel even worse for those that spent even a second grinding rank after rank 55.

Just have a little respect for those like myself who are getting screwed. No retroactive rewards, no extra title for hitting rank 70 before it was free, no rewards after hitting rank 80. I have legit never even SEEN one of those new reward chests and I never will. I honestly don’t give a flying kitten that my time spent playing PvP won’t be rewarded at the end of the day. Phoenix was cool for the exclusivity, sure, and it was great for kittening too.

It’s ok, you’ll get 9 chests. I’d guesstimate the value in gold of those chests are… 3 gold.

All of these r50’s rejoicing makes me want to vomit. Like you said, they could at least have a bit of respect and not rub it in.

i dont really care if they make r55+ dragons or not… i enjoy all the game modes. i played 2.6k hours of both pve and pvp combined, did 5 map completion and 4 legendaries, full ascended gear. im not rank 55 i wont be a dragon and sure as hell i like shark finihser better than phoenix. but like i said your a minority of minorities in pvp community. maybe who knows you guys who are r70+ will get precursor in your bag of goodies when you reach r80.

I would like to point out that I am going to get less bags than anyone because I won’t be leveling up as much as others are. In otherwords I’m getting punished for being a higher rank…

A-net sure is listening to those 20 or so rank 70s eh?

They really need to rethink this portion of it. Even if they capped it at like 50-60 bags.

To be fair… they were going to just remove the rank to begin with. Rank doesn’t even really matter anyways unless you consider it a flashy finisher, or the chests you could buy.

Think of it as a side feature now. Once things like leagues are implemented and the LB’s are less silly, rank will be even more of an after thought even more so than it is now.

Another way to think of it could be like level 30 in LoL?

Daishi.6027:

To be fair… they were going to just remove the rank to begin with. Rank doesn’t even really matter anyways unless you consider it a flashy finisher, or the chests you could buy.

Think of it as a side feature now. Once things like leagues are implemented and the LB’s are less silly, rank will be even more of an after thought even more so than it is now.

Another way to think of it could be like level 30 in LoL?

While they were going to remove ranks, they were going to leave the existing finishers that we’d earned in tact so that we’d have some token for our hard work and achievements. That would have been better because it separates those who have done more work from those who haven’t.

But this? Everyone becomes equal now. All that effort is wasted.

And rank is not meaningless. I keep hearing this repeated but I’ve yet to see someone pass up taking a higher ranked player as opposed to a lower one.

While I do think that it absolutely sucks that the people with the most time investment into the ranks they’ve attained aren’t getting anything “special” compared to people, there are 2 sides to every picture.

What ANet is doing, and has always basically had is what I’m going to refer to as the “Call of Duty” rank and reward system, by which playing the game, no matter what skill level you are, will eventually get you to the highest rank, and that “skill level” was usually denoted by some other defining feature (like weapon camos in CoD, or exclusive skins in GW2 PvP).

You shouldn’t be able to earn any sort of truly prestigious reward from just participating. Instead, players with the skill level that is usually associated with the current level 70 population of players should be shown through unique skins and finishers (Gold Trophy finisher anybody?) earned from high level competition and or tournaments.

It absolutely, absolutely sucks that the people that have the time investment to be as high ranked as they are aren’t getting some sort of reward based on their time investment. But the community as a whole is extremely two faced when it comes to how ANet rewards players. You either don’t reward players retroactively, and here the range for feeling like their time investment meant nothing, or you do reward players retroactively, and apparently also gets players complaining about how their investment meant nothing.

Point being, rank really has nothing to do with holding a level of prestige over other players, and it’s a true shame that in that past, there weren’t more unique rewards for tournament or team queue winners in order to actually show off something meaningful other than essentially just total time played.

So again, yes, it’s terrible that there are a small handful of people who are going to end up feeling like they aren’t being rewarded generously enough for the actual time they invested in the game. But those rewards shouldn’t be a “I’m better than you so I have this unique reward because I played more than you,” they should be a “Thank you for the time invested and the support you’ve given us, and here is that reward for your time investment” type deals.

The patch is actual a great step in the right direction for expanding the casual playerbase. Maybe PvP will stop being such an underutilized game mode. However, just as the casual players are going to get incentives for playing, tournament players have always deserved better rewards for their wins, and something to show off your wins and even potentially ranking, and I sincerely hope that just as you are getting retroactively rewarded now (albeit, not nearly scaling well enough based on time invested), you will be rewarded appropriately and with the prestige you deserve for being heavily invested in tournaments and recurring winners of those tournament matches.

I’d like to ask that people please try to remain respectful of each others situations. While the high ranked community does have every right to feel slighted, for a lot of the other parts of the community, it makes a previously unobtainable seeming and therefore undesirable to work towards goal obtainable, which can reignite the competitive flame and drive to play for players that were burned out, and help to stabilize the population of PvP.

jcbroe.4329:

I appreciate the effort to try and understand both sides. That’s more than I can say for most of the rest of the posts on the issue.

jcbroe.4329:

they should be a “Thank you for the time invested and the support you’ve given us, and here is that reward for your time investment” type deals.

So what is that reward now? Whether we want to call it time invested, or skill, or whatever, the fact is that there should be exclusive rewards. Right now, everyone at r70 is essentially getting bumped down to r55.

bhagwad.4281:

jcbroe.4329:

they should be a “Thank you for the time invested and the support you’ve given us, and here is that reward for your time investment” type deals.

So what is that reward now? Whether we want to call it time invested, or skill, or whatever, the fact is that there should be exclusive rewards. Right now, everyone at r70 is essentially getting bumped down to r55.

Haha I’ve been telling my friends that. Basically like you said, they’re bumping anyone above 55 down to 55 and calling it ‘dragon’

pro dev move.

Its good change, i know rank 60s who are average and rank 40s who are pro. If by rank 40 you dont know how to play you arent the brightest kid on block and all after that is just mindless farming.
How about those who grinded to rank 60 before rank points got 5x incrase for teamq? Anyone feels remembers them? Nope.
Ive been casually pvping since release and have rank 53, is that any achievement? No it just shows my time investement.
What will happen after patch? Well probobly when i say to rank 60 thief to interrupt my casts instead of doing random headshots on nothing he will not look down on me in disbelief cause im lower rank.
PVP community is small and competition is low, i wanted rank 50 i got it, i wanted to get in top 100 teamque, i got there with PUG, i wanted to get in top 25 soloque i got there. Did i put effort into it and made me better? No i just realized that average player can get what he wants in PVP.
All these changes will help PVP community become bigger and that will bring more competition. Those who deserve to be on top will stay on top those who dont will probobly get pushed out by some CoF speedrun team.

Leeto.1570:

Its good change, i know rank 60s who are average and rank 40s who are pro. If by rank 40 you dont know how to play you arent the brightest kid on block and all after that is just mindless farming.
How about those who grinded to rank 60 before rank points got 5x incrase for teamq? Anyone feels remembers them? Nope.
Ive been casually pvping since release and have rank 53, is that any achievement? No it just shows my time investement.
What will happen after patch? Well probobly when i say to rank 60 thief to interrupt my casts instead of doing random headshots on nothing he will not look down on me in disbelief cause im lower rank.
PVP community is small and competition is low, i wanted rank 50 i got it, i wanted to get in top 100 teamque, i got there with PUG, i wanted to get in top 25 soloque i got there. Did i put effort into it and made me better? No i just realized that average player can get what he wants in PVP.
All these changes will help PVP community become bigger and that will bring more competition. Those who deserve to be on top will stay on top those who dont will probobly get pushed out by some CoF speedrun team.

You’re talking as if “mindless farming” shouldn’t be rewarded. And let’s remember that PvP “mindless farming” is anything but – if you want, compare it to farming champ trains and then see which is really “mindless”. No r70 player today has reached it through skyhammer farming. There are just a handful of them.

Nevertheless, even dedicated “mindless farmers” have to be rewarded. That’s why they farm in the first place. It’s an MMO. Farming is its heart and soul.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Lux.7169:

Ostricheggs.3742:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

ok guys how many rank 70+ do we have now in pvp? ill guestimate around 20 and that maybe exagerating by a lot. thats a minority even in a really small pvp community we have. your saying that when 15k players who play pvp, harcore or casual who likes the changes have to listen what the 20 rank70+ players want? gtfo

Let me try to put this in perspective for you. I’ve played this game, /age’d, for 5,000 hours. Minus afk and PvE/WvW time I’d guess that’s about 4,000 hours. Four thousand kittening hours in PvP. That’s almost six months IN GAME. I’d guess that I could have every class leveled to 80 with at least 10 legendarys in the amount of time I’ve played this game’s pvp.

If you want your free dragon emote then so be it, I sure as kitten can’t change it, nor do I even care. I find it shameful though that there will be no carrot on the end of the stick for those that do (or did) actually care. I feel even worse for those that spent even a second grinding rank after rank 55.

Just have a little respect for those like myself who are getting screwed. No retroactive rewards, no extra title for hitting rank 70 before it was free, no rewards after hitting rank 80. I have legit never even SEEN one of those new reward chests and I never will. I honestly don’t give a flying kitten that my time spent playing PvP won’t be rewarded at the end of the day. Phoenix was cool for the exclusivity, sure, and it was great for kittening too.

It’s ok, you’ll get 9 chests. I’d guesstimate the value in gold of those chests are… 3 gold.

All of these r50’s rejoicing makes me want to vomit. Like you said, they could at least have a bit of respect and not rub it in.

i dont really care if they make r55+ dragons or not… i enjoy all the game modes. i played 2.6k hours of both pve and pvp combined, did 5 map completion and 4 legendaries, full ascended gear. im not rank 55 i wont be a dragon and sure as hell i like shark finihser better than phoenix. but like i said your a minority of minorities in pvp community. maybe who knows you guys who are r70+ will get precursor in your bag of goodies when you reach r80.

I would like to point out that I am going to get less bags than anyone because I won’t be leveling up as much as others are. In otherwords I’m getting punished for being a higher rank…

A-net sure is listening to those 20 or so rank 70s eh?

Maybe you should rally up those 20 and create “Occupy Anet” movement!

I don’t really care much about all these changes; I just play for fun. However, other people below R40-50s whisper me seem to do.

Lux.7169:

Arachnid.4062:

Lux.7169:

Arachnid.4062:

Lux.7169:

RoRo.8270:

Kyon.9735:

This is a bad change overall. So what will High Rankers aim for now that they will hit level cap? Even me, I’m just a Tiger ranked nobody but I’ll be boosted to Bear/Shark level after this patch. It feels like cheating.

Whatever happened to playing a game because you enjoy it? Oh I forgot you need your shiny pixels and bragging rights to make you feel special and the endless carrot on a stick or you will get paralyzed from the neck down.

What’s there to keep players after they remove this?

1 tournament a year that rewards basically the same 5 players as the previous year?

I’ll keep playing because I like the game and don’t really care whether or not I have some random pixels upon stomping an enemy… I dunno who was actually aiming to get dragon or used that as their only motivation to play… but they must be one crazy motherkittener…

Who said dragon was some people’s only motivation to play?

I asked a specific question, not one catered to you. What’s to keep players after they remove this? A less efficient way of farming pve loot?

We’re all still here because we love various features the game offers. Do you honestly not see why people would hate these changes?

The sign of a great debater is the ability to take on both sides of the issue at a moments notice. I can argue the opposite side all day long. If you truly understand this issue from both perspectives I’d love to hear you give me the strongest and most convincing counter-arguments to your claims. I’d love it if you’d indulge me.

You asked, and I quote: “What’s there to keep players after they remove this?”

My answer, in a nutshell: The gameplay.

You want to play quotes?
Q: What’s to keep players after they remove this (high rank caps)?
A: I will keep playing because I like the game

So your answer to what will keep players interested in the game is that you like the gameplay?

You either didn’t answer the question or tried to use inductive reasoning and apply it to everyone in a general fashion. I realize that you clarified it now but initially you took my question out of context because I don’t care what any particular individual wanted but rather what would keep the most active players in the PvP community.

Seriously though, I’d love to see you provide the biggest counter argument to your own claims. Or do you really not understand the other side? I realize you’d rather not put forth the time/effort but it would be interesting to see.

It’s obvious that these changes aren’t exactly fair to high rank players. Especially the fact that chests do not roll over multiple times upon hitting 80+.

However, to say that the only thing keeping these high ranked players playing the game is Dragon Rank isn’t really true. In reality, I think these changes will have newer players playing more PvP in order to max their rank.

Arenanet is not purposefully trying to shaft older players with this change, or convince everyone to buy gemstore finishers. These changes are about making PvP more accessible and rewarding for players from every part of the game.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

ok guys how many rank 70+ do we have now in pvp? ill guestimate around 20 and that maybe exagerating by a lot. thats a minority even in a really small pvp community we have. your saying that when 15k players who play pvp, harcore or casual who likes the changes have to listen what the 20 rank70+ players want? gtfo

dude wtf…

WHY WOULD YOU WANT dragon finisher if EVERYONE has it???

it would have ZERO prestige…

that change is one of the most stupid things anet ever decided to do for pvp besides trying to remove ranks completly…

seriously…
what sense makes this???

why would people want it?
dragon finisher would be the prestige of bear then?

and what is bear then? at r50 too? or r40? and shark?

“WHY WOULD YOU WANT dragon finisher if EVERYONE has it???

it would have ZERO prestige…"

You are thinking like a hardcore player. For you and your microcluster this would not be a sensible decision.

But for the multitude of other player microclusters this is brilliant. They view the dragon finisher as nothing more than another achievement to obtain. It is not per se more or less important than any of the other 100 achievements to obtain. This fits a strategy to make PvP more unified with the achievement and reward structure of PvE and WvW to encourage more of those players to anchor themselves (at least a bit) in PvP and help population etc.

Bombsaway.7198:

“WHY WOULD YOU WANT dragon finisher if EVERYONE has it???

it would have ZERO prestige…"

You are thinking like a hardcore player. For you and your microcluster this would not be a sensible decision.

But for the multitude of other player microclusters this is brilliant. They view the dragon finisher as nothing more than another achievement to obtain. It is not per se more or less important than any of the other 100 achievements to obtain. This fits a strategy to make PvP more unified with the achievement and reward structure of PvE and WvW to encourage more of those players to anchor themselves (at least a bit) in PvP and help population etc.

Yup, and then there is the group like me who sees the Shark Finisher and wants it not because of prestige, but because it looks freaking awesome. Idc if Shark was rank 10 I would still use it 100% of the time.

bhagwad.4281:

jcbroe.4329:

they should be a “Thank you for the time invested and the support you’ve given us, and here is that reward for your time investment” type deals.

So what is that reward now? Whether we want to call it time invested, or skill, or whatever, the fact is that there should be exclusive rewards. Right now, everyone at r70 is essentially getting bumped down to r55.

I agree with you, and I also agree that it is totally unfair that those plays aren’t getting as heavily rewarded for their time investment.

However, I don’t think that based on rank, anybody deserves anything exclusive, when there was nothing exclusive in itself about ranking up. You gained rank whether you won or lost, and there was a point when there was even an abundance of Skyhammer farming going on.

It would be different if the rank finishers were like rank emotes in Guild Wars 1, which were earned exclusively through winning matches in Heroes Ascent. You couldn’t lose and still eventually get those, you had to win, and win consistently.

So while I do think it’s insulting to the players who are a high rank and deserve more rewards because of their rank and time investment, those rewards shouldn’t be exclusive to them (I’m not saying by this that more people than them deserve all the rewards in the game immediately, but that whatever rewards that high rank players obtain are still obtainable through work and playing) because rank is essentially based on participation and time investment.

I do believe though, that players like Eggs and others, who have thousands upon thousands of tournament wins should receive exclusive items for those for being in a very small percentile of players with that kind of tournament investment and amount of wins, and I think it’s even more terrible that players who have always played tournaments and been invested in the “competitive scene” whether there were rewards or not do deserve something from that, and something exclusive, like a finisher or a special reward that could only be obtained from PvP (aka not a legendary like the upcoming tournament, which, while rare, is not exclusive or entirely representative of player skill).

It is truly awful that these players are neither getting the rewards for their time investment (honestly, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings at all personally if all current rank 70s got a guaranteed precursor or something), and that among these players, most of them I would assume (I don’t know who they all are) have probably a large amount of wins in tpvp which they aren’t really receiving anything for either.

IF these players that are rank 70+ do deserve something exclusive, it should be like an in game statue/plaque in the mists that have a list of their names on it and a total amount of rank they earn before April 15th, with a few words congratulating them on the dedication to PvP, and more than likely a few words saying they are “the champions of the mist” or something like that. Essentially, their “achievement” shouldn’t be forgotten, and if “hurting the economy” is the problem with rewards, than this is the bypass that still gives them something they deserve, which is essentially an ANet shoutout and thank you, and bragging rights.

Bombsaway.7198:

“WHY WOULD YOU WANT dragon finisher if EVERYONE has it???

it would have ZERO prestige…"

You are thinking like a hardcore player. For you and your microcluster this would not be a sensible decision.

But for the multitude of other player microclusters this is brilliant. They view the dragon finisher as nothing more than another achievement to obtain. It is not per se more or less important than any of the other 100 achievements to obtain. This fits a strategy to make PvP more unified with the achievement and reward structure of PvE and WvW to encourage more of those players to anchor themselves (at least a bit) in PvP and help population etc.

thats exactly the problem, it’s going to be just like any other achievement (if you can even call it an achievement now) it makes it so trivial. there is a reason why this game was at one point the fastest selling mmo and the became irrelevant soon after, it’s because the game was too casual. theres nothing worth doing, nothing worth getting, and so what’s the point if everything is just handed to you.

maybe it would bring new players to get in pvp now, but it’s not going to keep them there for long. people would unlock everything there is in pvp in 2 or 3 months playing casually and this game sure isn’t competitive in anyway so what’s the incentive for them to keep playing? is having short term goals and handing everything out to everyone really better in the long run?

Rank points needed for r70 is no joke, and most likely 90% of the players with them were farming skyhammer for weeks and clocking 5h+ nonstop each day in their little private server.

Lux.7169:

Honestly this update (terrible pvp ‘rewards’ and max lvl achieved instantly by 2,000+ players) will mean a mass exodus of good players.

terrible rewards? people rank 70 now will be getting tons of the max rank chests which can have legendary precursors and mats in them.

what reward would you want?

i think this new format is great with the unlocks as progression tracks, even pvp only back armour to work towards.

Liewec.2896:

Lux.7169:

Honestly this update (terrible pvp ‘rewards’ and max lvl achieved instantly by 2,000+ players) will mean a mass exodus of good players.

terrible rewards? people rank 70 now will be getting tons of the max rank chests which can have legendary precursors and mats in them.

what reward would you want?

i think this new format is great with the unlocks as progression tracks, even pvp only back armour to work towards.

This shows how little you actually understand. The devs have already confirmed multiple times via the RU and in the forums that players will not gain ‘tons of max rank chests’

For example, since Ostrich Eggs is rank 71 he will get 9 chests since he is 9 ranks from 80 and he will not be compensated for any experience that pushes him above 80 until after the patch after he earns it.

Rank 55 players will get 25 chests since they are 25 ranks from 80.

Their logic is that ostrich already received his r55, 56, 57 chests in the old system. You know, the awful pvp skins he already had. They’re even disregarding the fact that he had to earn 450,000 each time for 2 of those chests (which he could have bought for 1k glory), and throughout the 60’s he had to make 150,000 per chest which he could have bought for 1k glory.

Yeah, sounds legit.

For those who know me i’m Ark with second account cause my first one got banned (Yeah saying bad things bout op wars…) i’d just like to say that with this “dragon to everyone” crap i’m probably quitting cause going for phoenix (Like i had in gw1) was my first goal in pvp (Going for it the legit way and not farming hj/sh like a mad kitten, i was also asking for sh farmers rollback eventually loosing my 2 ranks i did there from 58 to 60 cause i couldn’t wait for my shark, not a big deal anyway)…now i’m halfway to 69…and every 55+ is getting dragons (I never aimed to dragon cause like in gw1, for me, was too far away…and i was totally fine with that, ppl with more time and dedication than me would get it and gg to them, like star, oh my, chamalee and so on in gw1) everyone is going to skip something that, for me, was an endgame goal since the first day i knew there was a phoenix emote up there…and at that time seemed so far away, almost unreachable….i’m one rank and half from it now…and you’re giving it to every single 55+ (Including sh farming scrubs)…gg anet…gg,
gtfo, i kept playing your worthless crap, i kept playing your kitten metas, i kept playing while every single decent player was leaving, i kept playing after we all saw our qpnts thrown into trash, i kept playing after you removed paids, i kept fighting op bunker eles and bm rangers at close with my mesmer, i kept playing without a stable team, going pug in tpvp, losing, getting trolled by nonsense decappers on skyhammer, getting owned by braindead wars while on mesmer and forced to roll war if i wanted to go somewhere…all of this for that emote, for getting something i worked hard in gw1…totally worth it despite crap rewards, nonsense ladders and kitten fotm metas.
So thank you anet, i trusted you after all….here’s your reward for me.

intsch.3570:

Seifer Thalaen.7869:

For those who know me i’m Ark with second account cause my first one got banned (Yeah saying bad things bout op wars…) i’d just like to say that with this “dragon to everyone” crap i’m probably quitting cause going for phoenix (Like i had in gw1) was my first goal in pvp (Going for it the legit way and not farming hj/sh like a mad kitten, i was also asking for sh farmers rollback eventually loosing my 2 ranks i did there from 58 to 60 cause i couldn’t wait for my shark, not a big deal anyway)…now i’m halfway to 69…and every 55+ is getting dragons (I never aimed to dragon cause like in gw1, for me, was too far away…and i was totally fine with that, ppl with more time and dedication than me would get it and gg to them, like star, oh my, chamalee and so on in gw1) everyone is going to skip something that, for me, was an endgame goal since the first day i knew there was a phoenix emote up there…and at that time seemed so far away, almost unreachable….i’m one rank and half from it now…and you’re giving it to every single 55+ (Including sh farming scrubs)…gg anet…gg,
gtfo, i kept playing your worthless crap, i kept playing your kitten metas, i kept playing while every single decent player was leaving, i kept playing after we all saw our qpnts thrown into trash, i kept playing after you removed paids, i kept fighting op bunker eles and bm rangers at close with my mesmer, i kept playing without a stable team, going pug in tpvp, losing, getting trolled by nonsense decappers on skyhammer, getting owned by braindead wars while on mesmer and forced to roll war if i wanted to go somewhere…all of this for that emote, for getting something i worked hard in gw1…totally worth it despite crap rewards, nonsense ladders and kitten fotm metas.
So thank you anet, i trusted you after all….here’s your reward for me.

100% agreement.

100% agreement.

Seifer Thalaen.7869:

For those who know me i’m Ark with second account cause my first one got banned (Yeah saying bad things bout op wars…) i’d just like to say that with this “dragon to everyone” crap i’m probably quitting cause going for phoenix (Like i had in gw1) was my first goal in pvp (Going for it the legit way and not farming hj/sh like a mad kitten, i was also asking for sh farmers rollback eventually loosing my 2 ranks i did there from 58 to 60 cause i couldn’t wait for my shark, not a big deal anyway)…now i’m halfway to 69…and every 55+ is getting dragons (I never aimed to dragon cause like in gw1, for me, was too far away…and i was totally fine with that, ppl with more time and dedication than me would get it and gg to them, like star, oh my, chamalee and so on in gw1) everyone is going to skip something that, for me, was an endgame goal since the first day i knew there was a phoenix emote up there…and at that time seemed so far away, almost unreachable….i’m one rank and half from it now…and you’re giving it to every single 55+ (Including sh farming scrubs)…gg anet…gg,
gtfo, i kept playing your worthless crap, i kept playing your kitten metas, i kept playing while every single decent player was leaving, i kept playing after we all saw our qpnts thrown into trash, i kept playing after you removed paids, i kept fighting op bunker eles and bm rangers at close with my mesmer, i kept playing without a stable team, going pug in tpvp, losing, getting trolled by nonsense decappers on skyhammer, getting owned by braindead wars while on mesmer and forced to roll war if i wanted to go somewhere…all of this for that emote, for getting something i worked hard in gw1…totally worth it despite crap rewards, nonsense ladders and kitten fotm metas.
So thank you anet, i trusted you after all….here’s your reward for me.

I’m truly sorry. I can’t even imagine the pain and betrayal you must be feeling at this point.

Jesus.

Seifer Thalaen.7869:

For those who know me i’m Ark with second account cause my first one got banned (Yeah saying bad things bout op wars…) i’d just like to say that with this “dragon to everyone” crap i’m probably quitting cause going for phoenix (Like i had in gw1) was my first goal in pvp (Going for it the legit way and not farming hj/sh like a mad kitten, i was also asking for sh farmers rollback eventually loosing my 2 ranks i did there from 58 to 60 cause i couldn’t wait for my shark, not a big deal anyway)…now i’m halfway to 69…and every 55+ is getting dragons (I never aimed to dragon cause like in gw1, for me, was too far away…and i was totally fine with that, ppl with more time and dedication than me would get it and gg to them, like star, oh my, chamalee and so on in gw1) everyone is going to skip something that, for me, was an endgame goal since the first day i knew there was a phoenix emote up there…and at that time seemed so far away, almost unreachable….i’m one rank and half from it now…and you’re giving it to every single 55+ (Including sh farming scrubs)…gg anet…gg,
gtfo, i kept playing your worthless crap, i kept playing your kitten metas, i kept playing while every single decent player was leaving, i kept playing after we all saw our qpnts thrown into trash, i kept playing after you removed paids, i kept fighting op bunker eles and bm rangers at close with my mesmer, i kept playing without a stable team, going pug in tpvp, losing, getting trolled by nonsense decappers on skyhammer, getting owned by braindead wars while on mesmer and forced to roll war if i wanted to go somewhere…all of this for that emote, for getting something i worked hard in gw1…totally worth it despite crap rewards, nonsense ladders and kitten fotm metas.
So thank you anet, i trusted you after all….here’s your reward for me.

100% agreement.

Lux.7169:

will not be compensated for any experience that pushes him above 80 until after the patch after he earns it.

But, his total rank points won’t diminish right? I mean he’ll be over rank 80 for the feature patch or he will only be rank 80 and his total rank points will diminish?

Seifer Thalaen.7869:

“dragon to everyone”

Amstel Steel.2058:

Lux.7169:

will not be compensated for any experience that pushes him above 80 until after the patch after he earns it.

But, his total rank points won’t diminish right? I mean he’ll be over rank 80 for the feature patch or he will only be rank 80 and his total rank points will diminish?

I don’t think the concept of “total rank points” will have any meaning anymore. I mean it might exist as a number, but have no relevance in any way.

Seifer Thalaen.7869:

For those who know me i’m Ark with second account cause my first one got banned (Yeah saying bad things bout op wars…) i’d just like to say that with this “dragon to everyone” crap i’m probably quitting cause going for phoenix (Like i had in gw1) was my first goal in pvp (Going for it the legit way and not farming hj/sh like a mad kitten, i was also asking for sh farmers rollback eventually loosing my 2 ranks i did there from 58 to 60 cause i couldn’t wait for my shark, not a big deal anyway)…now i’m halfway to 69…and every 55+ is getting dragons (I never aimed to dragon cause like in gw1, for me, was too far away…and i was totally fine with that, ppl with more time and dedication than me would get it and gg to them, like star, oh my, chamalee and so on in gw1) everyone is going to skip something that, for me, was an endgame goal since the first day i knew there was a phoenix emote up there…and at that time seemed so far away, almost unreachable….i’m one rank and half from it now…and you’re giving it to every single 55+ (Including sh farming scrubs)…gg anet…gg,
gtfo, i kept playing your worthless crap, i kept playing your kitten metas, i kept playing while every single decent player was leaving, i kept playing after we all saw our qpnts thrown into trash, i kept playing after you removed paids, i kept fighting op bunker eles and bm rangers at close with my mesmer, i kept playing without a stable team, going pug in tpvp, losing, getting trolled by nonsense decappers on skyhammer, getting owned by braindead wars while on mesmer and forced to roll war if i wanted to go somewhere…all of this for that emote, for getting something i worked hard in gw1…totally worth it despite crap rewards, nonsense ladders and kitten fotm metas.
So thank you anet, i trusted you after all….here’s your reward for me.

100% agreement.

bhagwad.4281:

Amstel Steel.2058:

Lux.7169:

will not be compensated for any experience that pushes him above 80 until after the patch after he earns it.

But, his total rank points won’t diminish right? I mean he’ll be over rank 80 for the feature patch or he will only be rank 80 and his total rank points will diminish?

I don’t think the concept of “total rank points” will have any meaning anymore. I mean it might exist as a number, but have no relevance in any way.

Well if they tie exclusive unlocks to ranks that extend into the hundreds than a r72 will have a lot more unlocked than a rank 55. Hopefully high ranks have skins that are on par with pve legendary’s.

Me getting exclusive stuff is more important than the health of the pvp we have whined about dying for over year!

im a dragon im gud

It is very important to remark that anet needs to reconsider this dragon giveaway and mistreatment with all players at 60’s/70.

They were going to remove rank, no one wanted that.

Arenanet listened (kind off) and kept rank, but made it more obviously trivial.

April 16th we will have a more active pvp community then ever before, new rewards to earn and shorter queu times.

I do feel for those like ostrich but they are an incredibly big minority, and while they deserve some compensation, I doubt there will be anything fair thats enough… If they give all those that are rank 60 (presumably too much for dragon) a special title that is no longer obtainable, a rank 59 could’ve pushed himself till that 60 “if he had known” and so on and so on.

Everyone over dragon should get as many rank chests as they are over it, capped at the maximum number, which I guess would be like 25? And yes, then still you wouldnt be rewarded fairly, but look at the fractured update, huge changes usually bring some drama with it. Can’t do much else but have faith in the devs, that they are making the right decisions that is best to have an active pvp environment.

ps; Lux, please stop throwing temper tantrums like you’re a 4 year old with a dictionairy,
I don’t know you, but your posts are a pain to read, what you believe makes a good debater has no place in this thread.