Guild Wars 2

Mrbig.8019:

Cirax.9231:

@Mr.big – You’re describing a completely different build that isn’t “simply variations of the same water/arcana build” (your words). That build has dps, but nowhere near the surviability that comes with bunker water/arcane builds.

Thanks for trying though.

It’s a simple variation.

You’re sitting with the same toughness, slight less ( 100 less) healing power than standard “semibunker” valk ele.

You simply don’t have renewing stamina , and have less cantrips slotted.

You are dishing out huge damage, have huge survivability ( ten times better than standard glass cannons), 80% of your damage is AoE, you’re great 1vs1 ( in some cases even 1vs2), you give your team one of the best ( if not the best) support, you can burst kinda like a glass cannon ( not saying that glass cannons can’t dish out more damage, but they’re sacrificing A LOT MORE than ele) .

Same build, same traits, same amulets, just slight different trait location and U-skill choice.

The ele is the best class in the game, hands down. It’s not a jack of all trade, it’s a master of everything.

There’s no point in having any other direct damage dealer, an ele can do easily thief/war/power engie job.

Plus moar mobility
Plus moar healing
Plus moar buffs.

Please, and i say, PLEASE.

STOP DEFENDING ELES, THEY NEED A NERF.

They don’t need a nerf, every class needs to be buffed to be on-par.

So lordrosicky strikes again!!No comment on that..But this striked me down hard:

Mrbig.8019:

S/D burst is not in fire attunement. Period.

What does that even mean?Of course is in fire..eath2 ->air 2 is very minimal damage while 15 minor air trait and arcanes are NOT s/d specific.
When you say such a thing like s/d burst is in the latter rotation when 80 %of that “burst” comes from traits and utilities you cant say “thats s/d burst”
If you or your friends gave up on fire and resorted to arcanes cause they cant aim their kitten like firegrab or phoenix then its them they suck.
It doesnt make you an ele “guru” or whatevr saying “s/d burst eles burst is not in fire”
It just tells me that you gave up on fire and spent 2 of your utilities for
brainless-instant-skilless damage.
Imo cantrips gameplay has much higher skill cap than this..tbh anything is.
(sorry for using you to rant about people thinking that arcane ele has “healthier” gameplay than cantrips ele..

Still laughing wenn ppl say, “but ele has only this and this and this when traited” (f.e. lowered cooldown on attunements)
The point in calling something OP is, that its possible to actually be OP!!! When we’re talking about OP eles, we’re talking about the possibility of being OP, because there is such a load of synergy. Its like saying to thief-haters, “no the burst is not OP, because we have to spec for it!” kitten?
So please stop with that, most ppl say ele is op, because they got the kittening possibility to be OP and use it.

i really hope that the changes they just mention in sotg shut you up..I mean like seriously shut you up.Heavy nerfs plus quite heavy indirect nerfs.
Plus it just got much harder to play :P

daydream.2938:

Most annoying thing about fighting an ele is getting them to 10% watching them disengage and come back a moment later full life, something no other class can do.

Thief can.

And to all Ele haters – I’ll just beat you up with my warrior for extra epic trolling…

Cirax.9231:

Their bunker builds need a nerf, but their dps builds should remain intact.

you know that eles dps builds use defensive traits because dps traits are useless? ofc you dont know, you dont play ele…

Lordrosicky.5813:

I have watched these players and honestly they suck. But they never get punished for sucking.

Everyone knows that…only a few ele players still claim they need lots of skills to stay alive, just ignore them they’re not even worth a serious discussion..

Swim.6830:

daydream.2938:

Most annoying thing about fighting an ele is getting them to 10% watching them disengage and come back a moment later full life, something no other class can do.

Thief can.

And to all Ele haters – I’ll just beat you up with my warrior for extra epic trolling…

Oh sure…show me a thief disengaging from an already lost fight, healing to full in 3 secs and go back again and again…and again, pssst i tell you a secret: When thieves go stealth they’re still there and aoes (You know those skills that eles can spam all day long) can still kill them, but don’t tell anyone it’s a protip found in ancient pvp books in a dark cave under an active volcano…

Thief was nerfed all the time. Quite uneasy feeling isnt it? ;d

Archaon.6245:

Oh sure…show me a thief disengaging from an already lost fight, healing to full in 3 secs and go back again and again…and again

you know you can dodge while stealthed and thus be invulnerable? add a fact that enemy dont know what direction you move and stealth dont reduce movement speed and its win or swap to shortbow and port away, if you are smart enough to keep initiative for it when fight is getting lost…

MaXi.3642:

Archaon.6245:

Oh sure…show me a thief disengaging from an already lost fight, healing to full in 3 secs and go back again and again…and again

you know you can dodge while stealthed and thus be invulnerable? add a fact that enemy dont know what direction you move and stealth dont reduce movement speed and its win or swap to shortbow and port away, if you are smart enough to keep initiative for it when fight is getting lost…

I think he assumes that thieves have to stand still while stealthed and thus cannot move away to avoid AOEs.

Swim.6830:

MaXi.3642:

Archaon.6245:

Oh sure…show me a thief disengaging from an already lost fight, healing to full in 3 secs and go back again and again…and again

you know you can dodge while stealthed and thus be invulnerable? add a fact that enemy dont know what direction you move and stealth dont reduce movement speed and its win or swap to shortbow and port away, if you are smart enough to keep initiative for it when fight is getting lost…

I think he assumes that thieves have to stand still while stealthed and thus cannot move away to avoid AOEs.

You can easily predict were the thief is going they can’t just rtl away you know, and meanwhile they’re low hp and can’t heal up on demand and completely worthless for point control too when they go stealth (And if they manage to run away somehow they must keep running until they’re out of combat to get all their life back)…eles can just go out, heal up and go back without giving enough time to cap the point…and everyone knows how stupid this mechanic is…just stop trying to defend obviously broken things..

You don’t understand!

• Boon Hate: Who needs boons as an ele anyway, right?
• Cleansing Water nerf: Who needs to remove conditions with the lowest base HP anyway, right?
• RTL nerf: A roaming ele? Haha….
• Signet of Restoration nerf: Sustain? What is that?
• Mist Form nerf: Was useless anyway. I guess.

But here is the new meta:

• Buffs Glyph of Storms: Is now going to one-shot everyone. Like it did before.
• Signet buff: I can already see it coming. The OP signet ele.
• No buffs to Conjures, etc.: Conjures are OP anyway. Last week somebody killed me with Conjure Flame Axe. Just OP. Please nerf.

No, seriously. I think the bunker build will still be ok. What about the other builds? Well, they will stay as strong as most warrior builds. I am pretty sure the other buffs will compensate for that though…

Hponestly this thread can go to hell..If the changes in patch go live i dont think there would be more punishing for mistakes class than elementalist..
Who the kitten loses his mobility cause the enemy pressed..dodge or cond removal cause it removed a pets/clones condies nearby if you switched in water with no condies on you
Wtf Anet…