Guild Wars 2

In order to stop esl teams to go vs me ?

it’s like we’re all decent and then matchmaking pairs us with esl teams superpugs with ts.

Having decent players in my teams for once is nice, really, but going vs full premades all the time ( mostly very strong players) is not.

So the question is, how much should i lose in order to drop my rating ?

Does gaining points on losses also awards u with rating increase ?

Just tell me so i can start afking

With so few players in the queue, no rating is too low, I suppose.

I get solo players in my team, sometimes duo q.

This proves there actually are solo players queing.

Point is what’s the point of putting strong solo players vs strong premades.

It makes no sense.

In the old teamq you could also be up against those super pugs. Regardless if you solo’ed, duo or trio-queued. They have to play against someone :p

Maybe you can try to be a bit harsher on the partysize, but a bit less on the rating so a superpug would play against more full teams regardless of the fact that they’re lower rated.

Justin ODell.9517:

Mrbig.8019:

In order to stop esl teams to go vs me ?

Hmm, your MMR is pretty high. Looking at your stats, it doesn’t seem odd though.

Is the issue that you’re getting matched with these players while queuing solo? Or is it that you don’t feel you should be matched with them at all?

Do you have a specific match you’d like me to look at? If so, do you remember the time?

It’s not like i don’t want to face them, it’s like i don’t want to face them if they’re FULL TEAM while i’m SOLO with other SOLOERS.

We can be the best solo players in the world ( we’re not), we still won’t be able to win vs very strong players with uber coordination and teamspeak.

Esl players duo-trio queing vs full solos ? Fair, we can do it ( we did few times)

Esl players super pugs with ts vs full soloers ? OMG pls no.

Justin ODell.9517:

Mrbig.8019:

It’s not like i don’t want to face them, it’s like i don’t want to face them if they’re FULL TEAM while i’m SOLO with other SOLOERS.

I get you. We’re collecting data for this entire ladder, and don’t think the ladder scoring rules are the only things we care about.

We’ve been discussing the issue and working on changes that should help with this. The only thing likely off the table (for now) is hard-filters.

If hard filters were introduced, wouldn’t it be easier to just introduce ladders then?

Justin ODell.9517:

Mrbig.8019:

It’s not like i don’t want to face them, it’s like i don’t want to face them if they’re FULL TEAM while i’m SOLO with other SOLOERS.

I get you. We’re collecting data for this entire ladder, and don’t think the ladder scoring rules are the only things we care about.

We’ve been discussing the issue and working on changes that should help with this. The only thing likely off the table (for now) is hard-filters.

Thx, at least knowing you’re working on it makes me rest with more ease.

I’ll tell you something, without knowing if it may help you or not.

When i duo/trio q with lower or slightly lower ranked players, match ups seems to be WAAAAAY better, prolly cuz it averages our MMR.

Would median MMR make more sense?

Justin ODell.9517:

Mrbig.8019:

When i duo/trio q with lower or slightly lower ranked players, match ups seems to be WAAAAAY better, prolly cuz it averages our MMR.

Very likely, I’ve heard this from other players as well.

yep, with high rating involved, roster size make a lot of difference if there is no similar roster size (and skill) on the other team.

Basically i think when a team reach a certain number in rating average, roster size should have a strong priority for the matching or the altenative is a bad game.

For exampe an high rating 5 men full premade should meet only another 5 full premade with similar skill or an high 4+1 only another 4+1 or 3+2 max.

Justin ODell.9517:

Silentshoes.1805:

Would median MMR make more sense?

No, not necessarily. E.g. 1200, 1215, 1210, 1240, 1600, the mean is 1293, but the median is 1400.

um that median is 1215 :X

Justin ODell.9517:

The only thing likely off the table (for now) is hard-filters.

Somebody wake me when they are back on the table, greenlit and pushed to live. I swear, at times it feels as if it’s 2012 all over again.

insanemaniac.2456:

Justin ODell.9517:

Silentshoes.1805:

Would median MMR make more sense?

No, not necessarily. E.g. 1200, 1215, 1210, 1240, 1600, the mean is 1293, but the median is 1400.

um that median is 1215 :X

Yup.
And the mean is 1293. Median is lower.

http://www.alcula.com/calculators/statistics/median/

Now this is what should happen, for example

And this is, sadly, what commonly happens

ye amazing paint skillz

OP is correct that it has to be messed up a bit still. I have a guy on my team who’s mmr HAS to be super low due to using a new account (not going to go into details). Another guy who is probably around the average and mine who is definitely the highest in the group. Together we all probably sit at just an average mmr (if not a little lower). Granted I do not mind fighting members of the abjured etc, but the system I don’t think should be throwing us in there. Was couple Abjured fellers and 3 of their friends on a team. First match we go 50-500. GG we played bad. After figuring out what went wrong and what we could have done A LOT better (10 min?) we Q back up. Same team, same map again lol. we then push em 400-500 ( honestly had a shot at winning but made some more crucial mistakes near the end). Either way we got points on LB for loosing (tells me our chances of winning were under 20%?).

It was fun (the second time around) and we learned from everything but the fact is, I don’t think we should have ever been there (considering mmr). Sorry no match time or details for review. I would like more practice against team around our mmr (same or a little higher) to get better and move our way up. Not just get thrown into top tier. We have been placed against other ESL top teams as well.

[humor me, I’m new to pvp and have no idea what is being talked about here]

What is esl? (the only thing I can think of is english as a second language and I know that is way off)

khani.4786:

[humor me, I’m new to pvp and have no idea what is being talked about here]

What is esl? (the only thing I can think of is english as a second language and I know that is way off)

You are actually close. It is eSports (Electronic Sports League). “Professional” Gaming.

and again……..

Mrbig.8019:

and again……..

I like how you just post a picture from beginning of match and say “HA pug vs premade”. Teh picture does not show nothing…..does not prove that the other team was a premade….and doesn’t prove anyone on your team wasn’t teamed up. Your pictures are invalid. Granted the first picture was an enemy premade (well known team), but how do we know the other 4 jokers on your team didn’t Q together?

It can be better:
Don’t get why put soloq against premade like this

And again, this one was close until end

same here: 3/3 games i had premades vs me tonight… so basically unless u have a team u should not go ranked at all… end of story

XerreX.7196:

same here: 3/3 games i had premades vs me tonight… so basically unless u have a team u should not go ranked at all… end of story

sad but true

Netko.9271:

It can be better:
Don’t get why put soloq against premade like this

hey look, proof of confirmation bias

eternyathingy and r o m are people this other complainer is complainering about, but he played with and against them in 2 different games. so unless they teamed up an hour after playing against and not with each other in 2 consecutive games, they are 2 solos, and not a premade.

you got rolled in the first teamfight and zerged the rest of the match into outnumbered fights without ever regrouping. in addition, whoever was home needed help your team didnt give. whoever went far lost, and so should have done something besides starting far.

insanemaniac.2456:

Netko.9271:

It can be better:
Don’t get why put soloq against premade like this

hey look, proof of confirmation bias

eternyathingy and r o m are people this other complainer is complainering about, but he played with and against them in 2 different games. so unless they teamed up an hour after playing against and not with each other in 2 consecutive games, they are 2 solos, and not a premade.

you got rolled in the first teamfight and zerged the rest of the match into outnumbered fights without ever regrouping. in addition, whoever was home needed help your team didnt give. whoever went far lost, and so should have done something besides starting far.

2 solo? Look my second post, same team again.

Netko.9271:

insanemaniac.2456:

Netko.9271:

It can be better:
Don’t get why put soloq against premade like this

hey look, proof of confirmation bias

eternyathingy and r o m are people this other complainer is complainering about, but he played with and against them in 2 different games. so unless they teamed up an hour after playing against and not with each other in 2 consecutive games, they are 2 solos, and not a premade.

you got rolled in the first teamfight and zerged the rest of the match into outnumbered fights without ever regrouping. in addition, whoever was home needed help your team didnt give. whoever went far lost, and so should have done something besides starting far.

2 solo? Look my second post, same team again.

yep you hadnt posted that yet when i was writing that. guess they found people they liked LOL.

I was going to say the same thing lol. He was like “this is a good matchup” when he was with R O M and then kittened when he was against him with “crap matchup” lol. But it does look like he is playing with friends after….still though. None of this proves the people on your team isn’t a 4 man premade. If game can’t find 5 it will stick a 4 man team in there. Technically at that point, you are the only pug.

I will say that certain player’s mmr is false or poorly calculated. Mainly because of bad luck; getting put with a bad team and/or going against a premade. It’s why games with a 300 point difference happens.

One game I had two mediocre thieves. I was at far and got zerged. Told the thief to go to mid, instead he goes far and instantly dies. As nicely as I could, I told him to not engage a 3v1 and learn from his mistake next time. The other thief decided to 1v1 a warrior at our treb instead leaving to help else where, like a thief should.
A ‘higher’ mmr player can only do so much in these type games. It’s what we’re all experiencing.

Summarize and solution in solo there are more bad players than good. That fact is clearly evident. It’s going to take x amount of games to list that person’s true mmr. In the mean time, you’ll have to endure and hope to win a game or two. Or forced to que later when bad-player-rushhour is over. I recommend a minimum of X amount of games won in practice, or, have a minimum of “average” mmr that reflects tpvp as a whole. Even setting a pvp rank 40 requirement would help tremendously. Right now _anyone_can join solo tpvp.

The same thief who 3v1’d admitted the fact he made a mistake. He then said “I’m not bad, my rank is 29”.
…well then.

Saiyan.1704:

I will say that certain player’s mmr is false or poorly calculated. Mainly because of bad luck; getting put with a bad team and/or going against a premade. It’s why games with a 300 point difference happens.

One game I had two mediocre thieves. I was at far and got zerged. Told the thief to go to mid, instead he goes far and instantly dies. As nicely as I could, I told him to not engage a 3v1 and learn from his mistake next time. The other thief decided to 1v1 a warrior at our treb instead leaving to help else where, like a thief should.
A ‘higher’ mmr player can only do so much in these type games. It’s what we’re all experiencing.

Summarize and solution in solo there are more bad players than good. That fact is clearly evident. It’s going to take x amount of games to list that person’s true mmr. In the mean time, you’ll have to endure and hope to win a game or two. Or forced to que later when bad-player-rushhour is over. I recommend a minimum of X amount of games won in practice, or, have a minimum of “average” mmr that reflects tpvp as a whole. Even setting a pvp rank 40 requirement would help tremendously. Right now _anyone_can join solo tpvp.

The same thief who 3v1’d admitted the fact he made a mistake. He then said “I’m not bad, my rank is 29”.
…well then.

So he has been playing for a week. Cool. I think the problem is not the MMR, as the devs keep saying when looking at matches “Your teams MMR was in line with theirs”. I think the problem lies with the original system that determined the MMR and applied incorrect MMR to everyone. Then causing the MMR matchups to look good but in reality the MMR of X players should never have been that high. Or maybe the MMR of the top tier was lowered.

Justin ODell.9517:

XerreX.7196:

same here: 3/3 games i had premades vs me tonight… so basically unless u have a team u should not go ranked at all… end of story

Unless we will make small change, keeping all soloers in one pool, where they will meet only soloers and another pool just for 5/5 premades – excluding the half-made parties from ranked roaster. In this way pros will always meet teams and there will be equal chance for every1 at the solo games, as no duo, trio or quad teams on one side will appear.

I have made a topic about it, just check it out there:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Allow-only-solo-or-5-5-queuing-for-ranked/first#post4635021