Guild Wars 2

Xom.9264:

Say what you want about WoW but if you played it for the PvP you would know it rewards skill and team work you cannot advance in the ratings unless you win against other high rated teams lose and you drop rating.

I dont know what the game is like now but I played it from launch into being a top rated arena player for years. GW2 is a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind on skill based pvp sadly Anet seems like they want the games pvp to die they are sticking to the farm based system for PvP. I just dont understand what they are thinking, who are they listening too what ‘pvpers’ are telling them the QP system is fine? The people that like the QP system dont like real competition just garbage farmers.

The WvW is not even as good as DAoC, DAoC had points you could earn only by doing RvR to buy pvp skills for classes improving their power.

No long term rewards for WvW zero rewards for Tpvp or even a basic ladder/ranking system = a slow death in what could of been a great pvp MMO.

rewards ruin pvp. rewards that have stats ruin pvp even more so.

why do you need rewards? can’t you just pvp because it’s fun?

oh, and I played dark age. I hated it. wvw is one hundred times more fun.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Xom.9264:

Say what you want about WoW but if you played it for the PvP you would know it rewards skill and team work you cannot advance in the ratings unless you win against other high rated teams lose and you drop rating.

I dont know what the game is like now but I played it from launch into being a top rated arena player for years. GW2 is a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind on skill based pvp sadly Anet seems like they want the games pvp to die they are sticking to the farm based system for PvP. I just dont understand what they are thinking, who are they listening too what ‘pvpers’ are telling them the QP system is fine? The people that like the QP system dont like real competition just garbage farmers.

The WvW is not even as good as DAoC, DAoC had points you could earn only by doing RvR to buy pvp skills for classes improving their power.

No long term rewards for WvW zero rewards for Tpvp or even a basic ladder/ranking system = a slow death in what could of been a great pvp MMO.

i cant wait for a rating system and a flood of great players and the dissaperence of QP points.

nobody is coming back sorry bro. I know this is your first pc game but mmo players rarely return to a game that fails so hard and takes too long to fix.

NeedCoffee.1402:

Xom.9264:

Say what you want about WoW but if you played it for the PvP you would know it rewards skill and team work you cannot advance in the ratings unless you win against other high rated teams lose and you drop rating.

I dont know what the game is like now but I played it from launch into being a top rated arena player for years. GW2 is a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind on skill based pvp sadly Anet seems like they want the games pvp to die they are sticking to the farm based system for PvP. I just dont understand what they are thinking, who are they listening too what ‘pvpers’ are telling them the QP system is fine? The people that like the QP system dont like real competition just garbage farmers.

The WvW is not even as good as DAoC, DAoC had points you could earn only by doing RvR to buy pvp skills for classes improving their power.

No long term rewards for WvW zero rewards for Tpvp or even a basic ladder/ranking system = a slow death in what could of been a great pvp MMO.

rewards ruin pvp. rewards that have stats ruin pvp even more so.

why do you need rewards? can’t you just pvp because it’s fun?

oh, and I played dark age. I hated it. wvw is one hundred times more fun.

that’s why they are adding rewards and progression to wvw right?

Sprawl.3891:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Xom.9264:

Say what you want about WoW but if you played it for the PvP you would know it rewards skill and team work you cannot advance in the ratings unless you win against other high rated teams lose and you drop rating.

I dont know what the game is like now but I played it from launch into being a top rated arena player for years. GW2 is a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind on skill based pvp sadly Anet seems like they want the games pvp to die they are sticking to the farm based system for PvP. I just dont understand what they are thinking, who are they listening too what ‘pvpers’ are telling them the QP system is fine? The people that like the QP system dont like real competition just garbage farmers.

The WvW is not even as good as DAoC, DAoC had points you could earn only by doing RvR to buy pvp skills for classes improving their power.

No long term rewards for WvW zero rewards for Tpvp or even a basic ladder/ranking system = a slow death in what could of been a great pvp MMO.

i cant wait for a rating system and a flood of great players and the dissaperence of QP points.

nobody is coming back sorry bro. I know this is your first pc game but mmo players rarely return to a game that fails so hard and takes too long to fix.

i watched a movie with Keven Costner. and he was told “if you build it they will come” so for some reason my whole life i have been optimistic. if Anet continues how they are going then they will come back.

but if not gears of war 4 is coming out soon.

Once you fail in the eyes of the mmorpg player he wont come back trust me……first impression is the most important otherwise they will go back to their old mmorpg again. I am quite dissapointed ANET didnt focus on pvp while they were doing everything for pve players. My friendlist went down from 30 online to 3 or 5 players online so my friends left to WOW and so I left also….just to play with them and I have fun I didnt have in GW2 for month…

Amityel.5324:

Once you fail in the eyes of the mmorpg player he wont come back trust me……first impression is the most important otherwise they will go back to their old mmorpg again. I am quite dissapointed ANET didnt focus on pvp while they were doing everything for pve players. My friendlist went down from 30 online to 3 or 5 players online so my friends left to WOW and so I left also….just to play with them and I have fun I didnt have in GW2 for month…

They’ll be back later to see how the game is when pvp has more features and balance etc. Mainly because this game doesn’t have a subscription fee.

Wow had it’s time, but when that dev Ghostcrawler came in with Activision whatever. The game just got watered down tremendously stupid fun that there wasn’t anything creative to the game anymore. I miss being a sword smith making my own epic swords that gives me a nice procs for pve and pvp. The pvp wasn’t that bad either I liked how the talent trees were before Wotlk came along where you truly have to focus down one tree to be viable in raids. Then came the gear check crap and if you’re not pass a certain even if you dps is amazing than the higher gear check guy. You won’t be pick and if you are you’ll be the blame of the group because of your gear.
Raiding was like a second job in that game anyway especially people wanted you to be there at a certain.

WoW has its up and down but there is a reason why we don’t see too many PC magazines or shows repping it how good it is now. If you want to play a watered down game with no creativity then WoW is the game for you.

Vanilla and their first expansion BC is when the game truly shine in versatility / creativity, but now everything is half done, incomplete and tone down to a point where you’ll say “why do they even bother” in “Cao Pi’s voice”

Xom.9264:

I dont know what the game is like now but I played it from launch into being a top rated arena player for years. GW2 is a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind on skill based pvp sadly Anet seems like they want the games pvp to die they are sticking to the farm based system for PvP.

you must be very clear when you say “skill based pvp”, because it seems like you are referring to ratings & not gameplay. focus targeting, enemy cast bars & cooldown trackers make wow VERY EASY to play. not to mention that game uses passive defense mechanics instead of active ones.

i loaded up reckful’s twitch out of curiosity a few weeks ago, one of the first things i heard was “ kitten he dodged my full kidney”. a passive RNG defensive stat saved their team’s life. in GW2 when you hear “ kitten he dodged my illusionary leap”, you know the player actively did something to preserve their life.

I just dont understand what they are thinking, who are they listening too what ‘pvpers’ are telling them the QP system is fine? The people that like the QP system dont like real competition just garbage farmers.

i’m pretty sure all top pvp players hate the QP system. there is no reason to add QP before they announce their first monthly tournament, it’s a pointless currency in the current state of the game. but it’s the only totem pole to be climbed as it stands.

there is no question that ANet is screwing the pooch right now. awesome product with no support, we all know it. i don’t even care about systems at this point, i am waiting for the announcement stating, “We have hired new PvP staff.” i want pvp class reps & internal pvp teams that test new content thoroughly ( seriously, how does the necro / war vengeance bug get to live state? ) & actively engage the meta themselves instead of basing balance off of feedback.

what happened to ANet’s competitive edge? where are ANet’s Arena Teams? i remember seeing ANet play other teams at press events & they would play teams in tourneys in GW1 as well ( like, the tourney winner would get a chance to fight ANet’s team ). now they can’t even form a team themselves with 2 squad members. sounds like The Heart of the Mists in ANet’s HQ is just as populated as most in-game.

i had a lot of fun with WoW, but for me the golden era was the end of vanilla b/c 10v10 was just balanced better. arena introduced heavy heavy use of mods, funnelled classes into few viable specs & had far too much counter comping. deathmatch is also super boring to both play & watch. conquest is 1000% more interesting than deathmatch to me ( opinions are like onions, they always make me cry ).

faeral.7120:

Xom.9264:

I dont know what the game is like now but I played it from launch into being a top rated arena player for years. GW2 is a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind on skill based pvp sadly Anet seems like they want the games pvp to die they are sticking to the farm based system for PvP.

you must be very clear when you say “skill based pvp”, because it seems like you are referring to ratings & not gameplay. focus targeting, enemy cast bars & cooldown trackers make wow VERY EASY to play. not to mention that game uses passive defense mechanics instead of active ones.

i loaded up reckful’s twitch out of curiosity a few weeks ago, one of the first things i heard was kitten he dodged my full kidney". a passive RNG defensive stat saved their team’s life. in GW2 when you hear kitten he dodged my illusionary leap", you know the player actively did something to preserve their life.

I just dont understand what they are thinking, who are they listening too what ‘pvpers’ are telling them the QP system is fine? The people that like the QP system dont like real competition just garbage farmers.

i’m pretty sure all top pvp players hate the QP system. there is no reason to add QP before they announce their first monthly tournament, it’s a pointless currency in the current state of the game. but it’s the only totem pole to be climbed as it stands.

there is no question that ANet is screwing the pooch right now. awesome product with no support, we all know it. i don’t even care about systems at this point, i am waiting for the announcement stating, “We have hired new PvP staff.” i want pvp class reps & internal pvp teams that test new content thoroughly ( seriously, how does the necro / war vengeance bug get to live state? ) & actively engage the meta themselves instead of basing balance off of feedback.

what happened to ANet’s competitive edge? where are ANet’s Arena Teams? i remember seeing ANet play other teams at press events & they would play teams in tourneys in GW1 as well ( like, the tourney winner would get a chance to fight ANet’s team ). now they can’t even form a team themselves with 2 squad members. sounds like The Heart of the Mists in ANet’s HQ is just as populated as most in-game.

i had a lot of fun with WoW, but for me the golden era was the end of vanilla b/c 10v10 was just balanced better. arena introduced heavy heavy use of mods, funnelled classes into few viable specs & had far too much counter comping. deathmatch is also super boring to both play & watch. conquest is 1000% more interesting than deathmatch to me ( opinions are like onions, they always make me cry ).

I agree with you sir.

Now to the guy who says WoW is more skill based…………………looool. But like i said the guy who made the post above is correct. You seem to be comparing mechanics rather then actual gameplay. The skill requirement to play this game is much higher then WoW/Rift. Im sorry but it is true. I have played every single on of those game soley for pvp.

One of the reasons there are also a lot of people who do not play pvp in this game is because they aren’t good at it lol. Im sorry but this is so true, and any top pvp player would agree. There are very few that are good, and even some that are better then the “average” aren’t that great at team mechanics. You cannot carry people in this game. Gear will not carry you or you don’t have passive mechanics/skills that will save you or carry you either. Mods/macros cannot be used to simplify things for you either. You can’t steam roll or one shot people because you just completely outgear them.
Individual skill is a must as well as team play, otherwise will not be a top player. Even if you have the first quality, doesnt mean you have the second.

Also the mentality of a lot of MMO players is not that of an athletes. Reason I say this is because rather then working on perfecting their skill, they feel if they cant do any of the stuff i mentioned above, and they know they cant be the best, they won’t play it and go off and venture into something else where they feel they can be carried or feel as if they are the best aka WvW. Now im not putting WvW down because WvW is fun, but a game that requires so much out of each individual person in a PvP game is not what people are used too. Therefore you have people who stray away from it.

The pvp in this game really exposes a lot of MMO players individual play and people can’t seem to handle it. But other games its hidden so much its not even funny, especially when you have healers saving you all the time because they have the best gear and healing mods. Lol….

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so for the last hour for the first time in my life i watched WOW on twitch. i have never played WOW or watched any pvp before because most of you know im a console player and am new to pc.

but after playing and watching Guild Wars 2 i truly and 100% utterly believe Guild Wars 2 is better in every way. the game mode we have is way better the game last longer. its easier to understand whats going on. (could be easier if i played WOW maybe)

why did i watch WOW you might ask. well earlier i played GW2 with a 3000+ in WOW so i just wanted to see why if he is so good at that game why is he here. well now i understand.

my hope for GW2 going Esport just increased 100x

i think the reason i like guild wars 2 so much is my main game i was pro in was Gears Of War and these 2 have the same fill to it.

anyways i dont know what kind of responses i want from this so lets just talk about why there is only 2 mesmers left in the game and 1 million trap rangers please nerf chewbaca on endor

you can say wut ever u want the FACT is WoW 7 yrs later still has more PAYING subscribers than people who have bought GW2.. If gw2 was a p2p they wouldn’t even have half of the users they have now cause the game is a huge flop…

urinfamousr.7631:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so for the last hour for the first time in my life i watched WOW on twitch. i have never played WOW or watched any pvp before because most of you know im a console player and am new to pc.

but after playing and watching Guild Wars 2 i truly and 100% utterly believe Guild Wars 2 is better in every way. the game mode we have is way better the game last longer. its easier to understand whats going on. (could be easier if i played WOW maybe)

why did i watch WOW you might ask. well earlier i played GW2 with a 3000+ in WOW so i just wanted to see why if he is so good at that game why is he here. well now i understand.

my hope for GW2 going Esport just increased 100x

i think the reason i like guild wars 2 so much is my main game i was pro in was Gears Of War and these 2 have the same fill to it.

anyways i dont know what kind of responses i want from this so lets just talk about why there is only 2 mesmers left in the game and 1 million trap rangers please nerf chewbaca on endor

you can say wut ever u want the FACT is WoW 7 yrs later still has more PAYING subscribers than people who have bought GW2.. If gw2 was a p2p they wouldn’t even have half of the users they have now cause the game is a huge flop…

I wouldn’t be too sure about the subscribers rate because most of them just bots or people from cages farming gold to post websites to give ya free gold for lots of money. That’s the where the subscription rate comes from. I mean why not it’s a great deal and no one will ever know because WoW is only $15 a month and to those bots / farmers who sell gold on websites it’s pocket changes. They can purchase as many copies of WoW as long people like us “not me though” buy gold from them etc etc the cycle continues.

You see what you want to see instead of the facts. You haven’t beat any decent team in quite some time and it’s sad that you continually lose people to play with because of your attitude.

You can’t teach an old dog new tricks so it would be a waste of time to try. Since you are too dense to realize what I mean by “being a good team player” then we can stop here. Wish I was naive and oblivious.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

the phrase “1 shotted” means to insta kill someone correct? so GW2 doesnt have 1 shotting either. with the down state its impossible to one shot correct?

I agree, not to mention that person was talking about WoW when they said that. Apparently they didnt’ play WoW enough to know what a “1-shot macro” is, haha. I played WoW far too long to agree that WoW has never had a class imbalance so large that mace/mace rogues could kill you in a global, or that a Shockadin couldn’t kill you with one button press in a macro…

At OP:
GW>GW2>WoW. (pvp; wvw excluded)
Undisputed fact.
If you didn’t have the fortune of playing GW (esp in its heydays), I can only pity you, and ridicule you for hailing GW2 pvp as a glorious invention.

Also, why are people comparing games with gear-based pvp to games with level-playing-field pvp to start with? How many screws are you missing.

Brutalistik.6473:

Amityel.5324:

Once you fail in the eyes of the mmorpg player he wont come back trust me……first impression is the most important otherwise they will go back to their old mmorpg again. I am quite dissapointed ANET didnt focus on pvp while they were doing everything for pve players. My friendlist went down from 30 online to 3 or 5 players online so my friends left to WOW and so I left also….just to play with them and I have fun I didnt have in GW2 for month…

They’ll be back later to see how the game is when pvp has more features and balance etc. Mainly because this game doesn’t have a subscription fee.

no they wont. there are many games out there that failed in the eyes of players and subsequently went F2P and fixed many issues and made the game better, but people still didn’t bother going back. None of those saw any major population influx despite making major positive changes and being free. GW2 is also not truly F2P. New players still will be required to pay box cost which not many will do strictly for pvp when there are many more popular pvp games out there that are 100% free.

mmo players are unlike any others i have seen in the gaming world. If first impression fails, it’s game over.

Brutalistik.6473:

urinfamousr.7631:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so for the last hour for the first time in my life i watched WOW on twitch. i have never played WOW or watched any pvp before because most of you know im a console player and am new to pc.

but after playing and watching Guild Wars 2 i truly and 100% utterly believe Guild Wars 2 is better in every way. the game mode we have is way better the game last longer. its easier to understand whats going on. (could be easier if i played WOW maybe)

why did i watch WOW you might ask. well earlier i played GW2 with a 3000+ in WOW so i just wanted to see why if he is so good at that game why is he here. well now i understand.

my hope for GW2 going Esport just increased 100x

i think the reason i like guild wars 2 so much is my main game i was pro in was Gears Of War and these 2 have the same fill to it.

anyways i dont know what kind of responses i want from this so lets just talk about why there is only 2 mesmers left in the game and 1 million trap rangers please nerf chewbaca on endor

you can say wut ever u want the FACT is WoW 7 yrs later still has more PAYING subscribers than people who have bought GW2.. If gw2 was a p2p they wouldn’t even have half of the users they have now cause the game is a huge flop…

I wouldn’t be too sure about the subscribers rate because most of them just bots or people from cages farming gold to post websites to give ya free gold for lots of money. That’s the where the subscription rate comes from. I mean why not it’s a great deal and no one will ever know because WoW is only $15 a month and to those bots / farmers who sell gold on websites it’s pocket changes. They can purchase as many copies of WoW as long people like us “not me though” buy gold from them etc etc the cycle continues.

i guess the same can be said of gw since on a regular basis i get whisp/emailed ingame by gold sellers. to suggest that a majority of the player base in WoW are farmers is just ridiculous since gold is so easy to farm like 2 yrs back. it still doesnt negate the point that people are still willing to p2p a game 7 yrs old and with a larger player base than gw2 b2p

lilz shorty.1879:

faeral.7120:

Xom.9264:

I dont know what the game is like now but I played it from launch into being a top rated arena player for years. GW2 is a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind on skill based pvp sadly Anet seems like they want the games pvp to die they are sticking to the farm based system for PvP.

you must be very clear when you say “skill based pvp”, because it seems like you are referring to ratings & not gameplay. focus targeting, enemy cast bars & cooldown trackers make wow VERY EASY to play. not to mention that game uses passive defense mechanics instead of active ones.

i loaded up reckful’s twitch out of curiosity a few weeks ago, one of the first things i heard was kitten he dodged my full kidney". a passive RNG defensive stat saved their team’s life. in GW2 when you hear kitten he dodged my illusionary leap", you know the player actively did something to preserve their life.

I just dont understand what they are thinking, who are they listening too what ‘pvpers’ are telling them the QP system is fine? The people that like the QP system dont like real competition just garbage farmers.

i’m pretty sure all top pvp players hate the QP system. there is no reason to add QP before they announce their first monthly tournament, it’s a pointless currency in the current state of the game. but it’s the only totem pole to be climbed as it stands.

there is no question that ANet is screwing the pooch right now. awesome product with no support, we all know it. i don’t even care about systems at this point, i am waiting for the announcement stating, “We have hired new PvP staff.” i want pvp class reps & internal pvp teams that test new content thoroughly ( seriously, how does the necro / war vengeance bug get to live state? ) & actively engage the meta themselves instead of basing balance off of feedback.

what happened to ANet’s competitive edge? where are ANet’s Arena Teams? i remember seeing ANet play other teams at press events & they would play teams in tourneys in GW1 as well ( like, the tourney winner would get a chance to fight ANet’s team ). now they can’t even form a team themselves with 2 squad members. sounds like The Heart of the Mists in ANet’s HQ is just as populated as most in-game.

i had a lot of fun with WoW, but for me the golden era was the end of vanilla b/c 10v10 was just balanced better. arena introduced heavy heavy use of mods, funnelled classes into few viable specs & had far too much counter comping. deathmatch is also super boring to both play & watch. conquest is 1000% more interesting than deathmatch to me ( opinions are like onions, they always make me cry ).

I agree with you sir.

Now to the guy who says WoW is more skill based…………………looool. But like i said the guy who made the post above is correct. You seem to be comparing mechanics rather then actual gameplay. The skill requirement to play this game is much higher then WoW/Rift. Im sorry but it is true. I have played every single on of those game soley for pvp.

One of the reasons there are also a lot of people who do not play pvp in this game is because they aren’t good at it lol. Im sorry but this is so true, and any top pvp player would agree. There are very few that are good, and even some that are better then the “average” aren’t that great at team mechanics. You cannot carry people in this game. Gear will not carry you or you don’t have passive mechanics/skills that will save you or carry you either. Mods/macros cannot be used to simplify things for you either. You can’t steam roll or one shot people because you just completely outgear them.
Individual skill is a must as well as team play, otherwise will not be a top player. Even if you have the first quality, doesnt mean you have the second.

Also the mentality of a lot of MMO players is not that of an athletes. Reason I say this is because rather then working on perfecting their skill, they feel if they cant do any of the stuff i mentioned above, and they know they cant be the best, they won’t play it and go off and venture into something else where they feel they can be carried or feel as if they are the best aka WvW. Now im not putting WvW down because WvW is fun, but a game that requires so much out of each individual person in a PvP game is not what people are used too. Therefore you have people who stray away from it.

The pvp in this game really exposes a lot of MMO players individual play and people can’t seem to handle it. But other games its hidden so much its not even funny, especially when you have healers saving you all the time because they have the best gear and healing mods. Lol….

the pvp in this game is broken with some classes having waaaay too much advantage in their game mechanics..GW2 has more skill base? u must be trolling

urinfamousr.7631:

Brutalistik.6473:

urinfamousr.7631:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so for the last hour for the first time in my life i watched WOW on twitch. i have never played WOW or watched any pvp before because most of you know im a console player and am new to pc.

but after playing and watching Guild Wars 2 i truly and 100% utterly believe Guild Wars 2 is better in every way. the game mode we have is way better the game last longer. its easier to understand whats going on. (could be easier if i played WOW maybe)

why did i watch WOW you might ask. well earlier i played GW2 with a 3000+ in WOW so i just wanted to see why if he is so good at that game why is he here. well now i understand.

my hope for GW2 going Esport just increased 100x

i think the reason i like guild wars 2 so much is my main game i was pro in was Gears Of War and these 2 have the same fill to it.

anyways i dont know what kind of responses i want from this so lets just talk about why there is only 2 mesmers left in the game and 1 million trap rangers please nerf chewbaca on endor

you can say wut ever u want the FACT is WoW 7 yrs later still has more PAYING subscribers than people who have bought GW2.. If gw2 was a p2p they wouldn’t even have half of the users they have now cause the game is a huge flop…

I wouldn’t be too sure about the subscribers rate because most of them just bots or people from cages farming gold to post websites to give ya free gold for lots of money. That’s the where the subscription rate comes from. I mean why not it’s a great deal and no one will ever know because WoW is only $15 a month and to those bots / farmers who sell gold on websites it’s pocket changes. They can purchase as many copies of WoW as long people like us “not me though” buy gold from them etc etc the cycle continues.

i guess the same can be said of gw since on a regular basis i get whisp/emailed ingame by gold sellers. to suggest that a majority of the player base in WoW are farmers is just ridiculous since gold is so easy to farm like 2 yrs back. it still doesnt negate the point that people are still willing to p2p a game 7 yrs old and with a larger player base than gw2 b2p

Well that’s an easy answer because WoW easy to play than it is here in GW2. You can’t tank 30 mobs as a higher level here than you can do in WoW and go afk as a healer because your hp regen high as well. The list will go on between comparing the two game.

urinfamousr.7631:

the pvp in this game is broken with some classes having waaaay too much advantage in their game mechanics..GW2 has more skill base? u must be trolling

That’s not trolling because that’s fact. You can dodge a fireball attack in here which relies on endurance while in WoW you have use a skill to dodge which last 20 seconds.

Brutalistik.6473:

urinfamousr.7631:

Brutalistik.6473:

urinfamousr.7631:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so for the last hour for the first time in my life i watched WOW on twitch. i have never played WOW or watched any pvp before because most of you know im a console player and am new to pc.

but after playing and watching Guild Wars 2 i truly and 100% utterly believe Guild Wars 2 is better in every way. the game mode we have is way better the game last longer. its easier to understand whats going on. (could be easier if i played WOW maybe)

why did i watch WOW you might ask. well earlier i played GW2 with a 3000+ in WOW so i just wanted to see why if he is so good at that game why is he here. well now i understand.

my hope for GW2 going Esport just increased 100x

i think the reason i like guild wars 2 so much is my main game i was pro in was Gears Of War and these 2 have the same fill to it.

anyways i dont know what kind of responses i want from this so lets just talk about why there is only 2 mesmers left in the game and 1 million trap rangers please nerf chewbaca on endor

you can say wut ever u want the FACT is WoW 7 yrs later still has more PAYING subscribers than people who have bought GW2.. If gw2 was a p2p they wouldn’t even have half of the users they have now cause the game is a huge flop…

I wouldn’t be too sure about the subscribers rate because most of them just bots or people from cages farming gold to post websites to give ya free gold for lots of money. That’s the where the subscription rate comes from. I mean why not it’s a great deal and no one will ever know because WoW is only $15 a month and to those bots / farmers who sell gold on websites it’s pocket changes. They can purchase as many copies of WoW as long people like us “not me though” buy gold from them etc etc the cycle continues.

i guess the same can be said of gw since on a regular basis i get whisp/emailed ingame by gold sellers. to suggest that a majority of the player base in WoW are farmers is just ridiculous since gold is so easy to farm like 2 yrs back. it still doesnt negate the point that people are still willing to p2p a game 7 yrs old and with a larger player base than gw2 b2p

Well that’s an easy answer because WoW easy to play than it is here in GW2. You can’t tank 30 mobs as a higher level here than you can do in WoW and go afk as a healer because your hp regen high as well. The list will go on between comparing the two game.

urinfamousr.7631:

the pvp in this game is broken with some classes having waaaay too much advantage in their game mechanics..GW2 has more skill base? u must be trolling

That’s not trolling because that’s fact. You can dodge a fireball attack in here which relies on endurance while in WoW you have use a skill to dodge which last 20 seconds.

uh there are classes soloing dungeons and fractals in gw2 it’s all the same.

and wow requires more skill simply due to mmr and ranking.

Sprawl.3891:

Brutalistik.6473:

urinfamousr.7631:

Brutalistik.6473:

urinfamousr.7631:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so for the last hour for the first time in my life i watched WOW on twitch. i have never played WOW or watched any pvp before because most of you know im a console player and am new to pc.

but after playing and watching Guild Wars 2 i truly and 100% utterly believe Guild Wars 2 is better in every way. the game mode we have is way better the game last longer. its easier to understand whats going on. (could be easier if i played WOW maybe)

why did i watch WOW you might ask. well earlier i played GW2 with a 3000+ in WOW so i just wanted to see why if he is so good at that game why is he here. well now i understand.

my hope for GW2 going Esport just increased 100x

i think the reason i like guild wars 2 so much is my main game i was pro in was Gears Of War and these 2 have the same fill to it.

anyways i dont know what kind of responses i want from this so lets just talk about why there is only 2 mesmers left in the game and 1 million trap rangers please nerf chewbaca on endor

you can say wut ever u want the FACT is WoW 7 yrs later still has more PAYING subscribers than people who have bought GW2.. If gw2 was a p2p they wouldn’t even have half of the users they have now cause the game is a huge flop…

I wouldn’t be too sure about the subscribers rate because most of them just bots or people from cages farming gold to post websites to give ya free gold for lots of money. That’s the where the subscription rate comes from. I mean why not it’s a great deal and no one will ever know because WoW is only $15 a month and to those bots / farmers who sell gold on websites it’s pocket changes. They can purchase as many copies of WoW as long people like us “not me though” buy gold from them etc etc the cycle continues.

i guess the same can be said of gw since on a regular basis i get whisp/emailed ingame by gold sellers. to suggest that a majority of the player base in WoW are farmers is just ridiculous since gold is so easy to farm like 2 yrs back. it still doesnt negate the point that people are still willing to p2p a game 7 yrs old and with a larger player base than gw2 b2p

Well that’s an easy answer because WoW easy to play than it is here in GW2. You can’t tank 30 mobs as a higher level here than you can do in WoW and go afk as a healer because your hp regen high as well. The list will go on between comparing the two game.

urinfamousr.7631:

the pvp in this game is broken with some classes having waaaay too much advantage in their game mechanics..GW2 has more skill base? u must be trolling

That’s not trolling because that’s fact. You can dodge a fireball attack in here which relies on endurance while in WoW you have use a skill to dodge which last 20 seconds.

uh there are classes soloing dungeons and fractals in gw2 it’s all the same.

and wow requires more skill simply due to mmr and ranking.

You know what I’m not going to argue with ya since you truly think that. It seems you have a hate towards GW2 anyway so whatever people say about WoW you’ll be there to defend in a heartbeat.

Brutalistik.6473:

Sprawl.3891:

Brutalistik.6473:

urinfamousr.7631:

Brutalistik.6473:

urinfamousr.7631:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so for the last hour for the first time in my life i watched WOW on twitch. i have never played WOW or watched any pvp before because most of you know im a console player and am new to pc.

but after playing and watching Guild Wars 2 i truly and 100% utterly believe Guild Wars 2 is better in every way. the game mode we have is way better the game last longer. its easier to understand whats going on. (could be easier if i played WOW maybe)

why did i watch WOW you might ask. well earlier i played GW2 with a 3000+ in WOW so i just wanted to see why if he is so good at that game why is he here. well now i understand.

my hope for GW2 going Esport just increased 100x

i think the reason i like guild wars 2 so much is my main game i was pro in was Gears Of War and these 2 have the same fill to it.

anyways i dont know what kind of responses i want from this so lets just talk about why there is only 2 mesmers left in the game and 1 million trap rangers please nerf chewbaca on endor

you can say wut ever u want the FACT is WoW 7 yrs later still has more PAYING subscribers than people who have bought GW2.. If gw2 was a p2p they wouldn’t even have half of the users they have now cause the game is a huge flop…

I wouldn’t be too sure about the subscribers rate because most of them just bots or people from cages farming gold to post websites to give ya free gold for lots of money. That’s the where the subscription rate comes from. I mean why not it’s a great deal and no one will ever know because WoW is only $15 a month and to those bots / farmers who sell gold on websites it’s pocket changes. They can purchase as many copies of WoW as long people like us “not me though” buy gold from them etc etc the cycle continues.

i guess the same can be said of gw since on a regular basis i get whisp/emailed ingame by gold sellers. to suggest that a majority of the player base in WoW are farmers is just ridiculous since gold is so easy to farm like 2 yrs back. it still doesnt negate the point that people are still willing to p2p a game 7 yrs old and with a larger player base than gw2 b2p

Well that’s an easy answer because WoW easy to play than it is here in GW2. You can’t tank 30 mobs as a higher level here than you can do in WoW and go afk as a healer because your hp regen high as well. The list will go on between comparing the two game.

urinfamousr.7631:

the pvp in this game is broken with some classes having waaaay too much advantage in their game mechanics..GW2 has more skill base? u must be trolling

That’s not trolling because that’s fact. You can dodge a fireball attack in here which relies on endurance while in WoW you have use a skill to dodge which last 20 seconds.

uh there are classes soloing dungeons and fractals in gw2 it’s all the same.

and wow requires more skill simply due to mmr and ranking.

You know what I’m not going to argue with ya since you truly think that. It seems you have a hate towards GW2 anyway so whatever people say about WoW you’ll be there to defend in a heartbeat.

there’s nothing to argue. there is no skill based ranking or matchmaking in this game. lol, wow sc etc all require more .

and yes ignore certain classes soloing end gsme fractals and dungeons lol. I dont remember anyone soloing heroic 5 mans in wow back when I played.

A friend just bought me the Expansion cause he herd I wasn’t play GW2 seriously anymore and I indulged him.

3 days later I just could barley play it. I had a 85DK that got hacked but the guy got me cata so that worked itself out. At 86.5 I’m already hating having to do PvE to PvP.

I do like the changes and balances they’ve made to Arena, it seems like they took quite the page from GW2 making the gear grind in Arena fairly linear (no raiting req for gear) and you can get points without being 1500+. In honesty it seems like they’ve dumbed down the game and are making Glad more easily achievable which isn’t ok in my book.

Meh 2 months more then I’ll be shipped out. I just really Wish GW2 would put in solo/duo que similar to LoL for Paids and do the changes to reg paid to be a revolving que vs the 8 min req.

Balistix.2601:

A friend just bought me the Expansion cause he herd I wasn’t play GW2 seriously anymore and I indulged him.
In honesty it seems like they’ve dumbed down the game and are making Glad more easily achievable which isn’t ok in my book.

Thank you I rest my case on the dumb down part a.k.a watered it down.

GW2 still is a fresh game which is why I give it a chance compared to WoW since they have 7+ years over the new game.

NeedCoffee.1402:

Ishan.5189:

I stopped reading and laughed a little to hard when I read ‘console might be harder than PC’.

No, but to the main topic, I think both games are rather crappy where it stands now. In defense of WoW, I can’t say I ever got bored of the PvP in that game. The different battlegrounds, then came the arenas.. was a wonderful time.

In defense of GW2, if I must give it, the dodging mechanic on the right path, and the lack of a need to grind for gear is a good thing to have. That is, unless you want to look sexy. ^_~

Before the rage, yes, this is my opinion. I absolutely despise the PvP in GW2, and that’s why I stick to Smite for my PvP sensations. I may pop in once in a while just to try it out, only to realize that the PvP in this game just makes me want to kill myself. : (

smite is honestly one of the best games online.
you point out some of gw2 important features, but I feel like your making lite of them. the dynamic level system plus no gear grind is so important. all you wow fans talk all you want about wow pvp, but it will never be balanced. the first step toward balance in mmo style PvP is separate pvp and pve. I know spvp gets stale after a while, but I feel arena net at least understands what needs to be done. no other game company cares to do the things arena net is doing with gw2. abolishing the broken trinity, dynamic leveling, no gear grind, waging war on hackers. these reasons alone warrant any PvP fan to at least stick around and see what they will do next.

I almost completely agree with you. I’m not a WoW fan, quite the contrary. I tried playing WoW recently, and just can’t deal with it. It was fun, once upon a time, but I can’t go back to it. The dynamic leveling system is good, but flawed in my opinion. But, I disagree with you saying that no company can do what Arena Net is doing.

I’ve been awaiting Wildstar, Neverwinter, and Elder Scrolls Online. Neverwinter seems like it has the PvE that GW2 was supposed to have but failed. To be completely honest, I feel the Trinity is better than this broken piece of equipment they have to us. Although I don’t know much about Wildstar, the world PvE looks so much better than GW2. ‘We no haz quests!’ No.. You do have quests, you just renamed them and made it to where I don’t have to run back to you for my money reward..

Elder Scrolls speaks for itself, if you follow any other video game. The class customization looks orgasmic. I always assumed GW2 had better class customization, only to be severely disappointed later on down the road. BUT! Yes, as of this second, it’s the best on the market in several ways. The Fractals, was the best way to keep scaling content, unlike any other MMO has done.

The GW2 tournament system, although lack a community on the NA servers, is one of the top PvP ideas as well. It doesn’t beat the real tournaments that are held, but all it takes is one die-hard fan to host his own tournament to get the population flowing again. : ) Hint, btw.

TL;DR – I didn’t want you to read anyways.

PS: I did leave out other features, both good and bad, and ultimately it’s up to each person to decide whether they like the features or not.

What is with your people!? Brutalistik.6473 seriosuly you need to OPEN YOUR EYES Gw2 isn’t a new game anymore it’s been out for 6 MONTHS stop using that as an excuss because the game isn’t kittening new anymore it’s been in full release for 6 bloody months.

To te guy who’s debating that giving players the ablitly to activley dodge something means that the game is more skillful must have not played any other MMO except WOW and GW2 because there are several MMOS which give you that ablilty.

urinfamousr.7631:

Brutalistik.6473:

urinfamousr.7631:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so for the last hour for the first time in my life i watched WOW on twitch. i have never played WOW or watched any pvp before because most of you know im a console player and am new to pc.

but after playing and watching Guild Wars 2 i truly and 100% utterly believe Guild Wars 2 is better in every way. the game mode we have is way better the game last longer. its easier to understand whats going on. (could be easier if i played WOW maybe)

why did i watch WOW you might ask. well earlier i played GW2 with a 3000+ in WOW so i just wanted to see why if he is so good at that game why is he here. well now i understand.

my hope for GW2 going Esport just increased 100x

i think the reason i like guild wars 2 so much is my main game i was pro in was Gears Of War and these 2 have the same fill to it.

anyways i dont know what kind of responses i want from this so lets just talk about why there is only 2 mesmers left in the game and 1 million trap rangers please nerf chewbaca on endor

you can say wut ever u want the FACT is WoW 7 yrs later still has more PAYING subscribers than people who have bought GW2.. If gw2 was a p2p they wouldn’t even have half of the users they have now cause the game is a huge flop…

I wouldn’t be too sure about the subscribers rate because most of them just bots or people from cages farming gold to post websites to give ya free gold for lots of money. That’s the where the subscription rate comes from. I mean why not it’s a great deal and no one will ever know because WoW is only $15 a month and to those bots / farmers who sell gold on websites it’s pocket changes. They can purchase as many copies of WoW as long people like us “not me though” buy gold from them etc etc the cycle continues.

i guess the same can be said of gw since on a regular basis i get whisp/emailed ingame by gold sellers. to suggest that a majority of the player base in WoW are farmers is just ridiculous since gold is so easy to farm like 2 yrs back. it still doesnt negate the point that people are still willing to p2p a game 7 yrs old and with a larger player base than gw2 b2p

You should realize the reason for that is mostly because when u invest over 150 dollars a year for 7 years in a game, leaving that game for another game is pretty tough. Plus there are a lot of reasons people don’t like gw2 because it doesn’t cater to their needs as having better gear then the guy next to them as well as high end raiding. GW2 is not perfect but to say its a huge flop shows the amount of ignorance people like you have. The game is still new and has a lot coming in the future. People feel can buy this game and come back because they know if they come back there will be no gear gap. In WoW, if you leave and come back, it can be intimidating because of the gear gap in both pve and pvp. Trying to get into raids and guilds core spot will be hard and no one likes being left out by elitist which tends to happen a lot in WoW, when the sad part is a lot of them aren’t even that great of MMO players. To many things make games like WoW/Rift easier to play.

urinfamousr.7631:

lilz shorty.1879:

faeral.7120:

Xom.9264:

I dont know what the game is like now but I played it from launch into being a top rated arena player for years. GW2 is a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind on skill based pvp sadly Anet seems like they want the games pvp to die they are sticking to the farm based system for PvP.

you must be very clear when you say “skill based pvp”, because it seems like you are referring to ratings & not gameplay. focus targeting, enemy cast bars & cooldown trackers make wow VERY EASY to play. not to mention that game uses passive defense mechanics instead of active ones.

i loaded up reckful’s twitch out of curiosity a few weeks ago, one of the first things i heard was kitten he dodged my full kidney". a passive RNG defensive stat saved their team’s life. in GW2 when you hear kitten he dodged my illusionary leap", you know the player actively did something to preserve their life.

I just dont understand what they are thinking, who are they listening too what ‘pvpers’ are telling them the QP system is fine? The people that like the QP system dont like real competition just garbage farmers.

i’m pretty sure all top pvp players hate the QP system. there is no reason to add QP before they announce their first monthly tournament, it’s a pointless currency in the current state of the game. but it’s the only totem pole to be climbed as it stands.

there is no question that ANet is screwing the pooch right now. awesome product with no support, we all know it. i don’t even care about systems at this point, i am waiting for the announcement stating, “We have hired new PvP staff.” i want pvp class reps & internal pvp teams that test new content thoroughly ( seriously, how does the necro / war vengeance bug get to live state? ) & actively engage the meta themselves instead of basing balance off of feedback.

what happened to ANet’s competitive edge? where are ANet’s Arena Teams? i remember seeing ANet play other teams at press events & they would play teams in tourneys in GW1 as well ( like, the tourney winner would get a chance to fight ANet’s team ). now they can’t even form a team themselves with 2 squad members. sounds like The Heart of the Mists in ANet’s HQ is just as populated as most in-game.

I agree with you sir.

Now to the guy who says WoW is more skill based…………………looool. But like i said the guy who made the post above is correct. You seem to be comparing mechanics rather then actual gameplay. The skill requirement to play this game is much higher then WoW/Rift. Im sorry but it is true. I have played every single on of those game soley for pvp.

One of the reasons there are also a lot of people who do not play pvp in this game is because they aren’t good at it lol. Im sorry but this is so true, and any top pvp player would agree. There are very few that are good, and even some that are better then the “average” aren’t that great at team mechanics. You cannot carry people in this game. Gear will not carry you or you don’t have passive mechanics/skills that will save you or carry you either. Mods/macros cannot be used to simplify things for you either. You can’t steam roll or one shot people because you just completely outgear them.
Individual skill is a must as well as team play, otherwise will not be a top player. Even if you have the first quality, doesnt mean you have the second.

Also the mentality of a lot of MMO players is not that of an athletes. Reason I say this is because rather then working on perfecting their skill, they feel if they cant do any of the stuff i mentioned above, and they know they cant be the best, they won’t play it and go off and venture into something else where they feel they can be carried or feel as if they are the best aka WvW. Now im not putting WvW down because WvW is fun, but a game that requires so much out of each individual person in a PvP game is not what people are used too. Therefore you have people who stray away from it.

The pvp in this game really exposes a lot of MMO players individual play and people can’t seem to handle it. But other games its hidden so much its not even funny, especially when you have healers saving you all the time because they have the best gear and healing mods. Lol….

the pvp in this game is broken with some classes having waaaay too much advantage in their game mechanics..GW2 has more skill base? u must be trolling

Gw2 is not skilled based? YOU must be bad and trolling at the same time. The pvp is not broken, its actually more balanced then most games. A lot of people are just bad and cry over anything without realizing what a class is supposed to do and coming up with counters. You must be one of those people who thinks rangers cannot be beaten 1v1 and theives are op and warriors are not viable in tPvP.

Brutalistik.6473:

Balistix.2601:

A friend just bought me the Expansion cause he herd I wasn’t play GW2 seriously anymore and I indulged him.
In honesty it seems like they’ve dumbed down the game and are making Glad more easily achievable which isn’t ok in my book.

Thank you I rest my case on the dumb down part a.k.a watered it down.

GW2 still is a fresh game which is why I give it a chance compared to WoW since they have 7+ years over the new game.

you make no sense. you agree with him that wow is watered down by making pvp gear easier to obtain and meaningless titles easier to obtain, then praise gw2 for having no gear grind and non-existent pvp rankings/titles?

So wow made it easier to get gladiator title. So? Gladiator is still based on a ranking system and beating people and moving up. What does GW2 offer? Ah right nothing.

Sprawl.3891:

Brutalistik.6473:

Balistix.2601:

A friend just bought me the Expansion cause he herd I wasn’t play GW2 seriously anymore and I indulged him.
In honesty it seems like they’ve dumbed down the game and are making Glad more easily achievable which isn’t ok in my book.

Thank you I rest my case on the dumb down part a.k.a watered it down.

GW2 still is a fresh game which is why I give it a chance compared to WoW since they have 7+ years over the new game.

you make no sense. you agree with him that wow is watered down by making pvp gear easier to obtain and meaningless titles easier to obtain, then praise gw2 for having no gear grind and non-existent pvp rankings/titles?

So wow made it easier to get gladiator title. So? Gladiator is still based on a ranking system and beating people and moving up. What does GW2 offer? Ah right nothing.

love how you mention that last bit knowing that matchmaking is coming out lol. There also are pvp titles so to say they are non existent lol………

lilz shorty.1879:

Sprawl.3891:

Brutalistik.6473:

Balistix.2601:

A friend just bought me the Expansion cause he herd I wasn’t play GW2 seriously anymore and I indulged him.
In honesty it seems like they’ve dumbed down the game and are making Glad more easily achievable which isn’t ok in my book.

Thank you I rest my case on the dumb down part a.k.a watered it down.

GW2 still is a fresh game which is why I give it a chance compared to WoW since they have 7+ years over the new game.

you make no sense. you agree with him that wow is watered down by making pvp gear easier to obtain and meaningless titles easier to obtain, then praise gw2 for having no gear grind and non-existent pvp rankings/titles?

So wow made it easier to get gladiator title. So? Gladiator is still based on a ranking system and beating people and moving up. What does GW2 offer? Ah right nothing.

love how you mention that last bit knowing that matchmaking is coming out lol. There also are pvp titles so to say they are non existent lol………

please show me these skill based titles. and we are discussing the current state of both games. we have zero info on ranking and matchmaking for all you know it will be glory based lol.

if/when they add a proper ranking system and there’s more than 20 serious teams let me know.

Kakeru.2873:

What is with your people!? Brutalistik.6473 seriosuly you need to OPEN YOUR EYES Gw2 isn’t a new game anymore it’s been out for 6 MONTHS stop using that as an excuss because the game isn’t kittening new anymore it’s been in full release for 6 bloody months.

To te guy who’s debating that giving players the ablitly to activley dodge something means that the game is more skillful must have not played any other MMO except WOW and GW2 because there are several MMOS which give you that ablilty.

These guys are having comparisons between two titles right now and its WoW vs GW2. Yes I know its been out for 6months, but when you’re comparing one game progression to another you have to include the time how long the game was out. GW2 6months to WoW 7.5 years gives you a clue that GW2 is still new and has a lot progressing to do unlike WoW since it’s already been polished so many times.

To say GW2 doesn’t have and what WoW has is absurd let lone why this topic is even in this thread category. I am already aware you guys are impatient with the waiting on profession balances and etc. If you can’t handle the wait you have options plus you can return to this game without worrying about paying a dime unlike in p2p games.

so im glad we all agree that GW2 is funner to watch then WOW.

lilz shorty.1879:

Sprawl.3891:

Brutalistik.6473:

Balistix.2601:

A friend just bought me the Expansion cause he herd I wasn’t play GW2 seriously anymore and I indulged him.
In honesty it seems like they’ve dumbed down the game and are making Glad more easily achievable which isn’t ok in my book.

Thank you I rest my case on the dumb down part a.k.a watered it down.

GW2 still is a fresh game which is why I give it a chance compared to WoW since they have 7+ years over the new game.

you make no sense. you agree with him that wow is watered down by making pvp gear easier to obtain and meaningless titles easier to obtain, then praise gw2 for having no gear grind and non-existent pvp rankings/titles?

So wow made it easier to get gladiator title. So? Gladiator is still based on a ranking system and beating people and moving up. What does GW2 offer? Ah right nothing.

love how you mention that last bit knowing that matchmaking is coming out lol. There also are pvp titles so to say they are non existent lol………

Melee combat in AoC is more complex and requires more skill than combat in GW 2. For example, stamina ( endurance) is used not just for dodging but also for for sprints to catch someone or run away from combat and for sprint strafe around opponent, as well as for combos Also dodging in specific direction gives you short term buff ( dodge forward= increased stun chance, dodge back= increased chance to avoid attack). I have seen lvl 20 player beating lvl 60 player ( both melee) solely because lvl 60 could not hit him with his combos. That is the very essence of skill. I remember killing 3 barbarians same level as me 1 vs 3 with my barb because they could not hit me and knocking back of the cliff and killing lvl 59 necro that tried to gank me when i was around lvl 30.
Before you say that something is non-existent make sure you know what you are talking about.

Khyras.8021:

lilz shorty.1879:

Sprawl.3891:

Brutalistik.6473:

Balistix.2601:

A friend just bought me the Expansion cause he herd I wasn’t play GW2 seriously anymore and I indulged him.
In honesty it seems like they’ve dumbed down the game and are making Glad more easily achievable which isn’t ok in my book.

Thank you I rest my case on the dumb down part a.k.a watered it down.

GW2 still is a fresh game which is why I give it a chance compared to WoW since they have 7+ years over the new game.

you make no sense. you agree with him that wow is watered down by making pvp gear easier to obtain and meaningless titles easier to obtain, then praise gw2 for having no gear grind and non-existent pvp rankings/titles?

So wow made it easier to get gladiator title. So? Gladiator is still based on a ranking system and beating people and moving up. What does GW2 offer? Ah right nothing.

love how you mention that last bit knowing that matchmaking is coming out lol. There also are pvp titles so to say they are non existent lol………

Melee combat in AoC is more complex and requires more skill than combat in GW 2. For example, stamina ( endurance) is used not just for dodging but also for for sprints to catch someone or run away from combat and for sprint strafe around opponent, as well as for combos Also dodging in specific direction gives you short term buff ( dodge forward= increased stun chance, dodge back= increased chance to avoid attack). I have seen lvl 20 player beating lvl 60 player ( both melee) solely because lvl 60 could not hit him with his combos. That is the very essence of skill. I remember killing 3 barbarians same level as me 1 vs 3 with my barb because they could not hit me and knocking back of the cliff and killing lvl 59 necro that tried to gank me when i was around lvl 30.
Before you say that something is non-existent make sure you know what you are talking about.

Didn’t even read what you had to say because this thread is not about AoC. We are comparing WoW tyvm. So before you even try to make an argument, make sure its about the right topic

Guild Wars 1’s PvP is vastly superior than Guild Wars 2. ..

Why are you comparing it to WoW anyways?

^ this is true but sad but true

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so im glad we all agree that GW2 is funner to watch then WOW.

http://www.twitch.tv/directory

At any given time there is 20 times more people watching WoW than there are watching GW2. Hell, even star trek online consistently has several times more people watching GW2 videos.

GW1 was an amazing PvP game.
Eve>Gw1>WoW>GW2 imo.

^ this does not indicate whether a game is fun or not lmfao.

Fernling.1729:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so im glad we all agree that GW2 is funner to watch then WOW.

http://www.twitch.tv/directory

At any given time there is 20 times more people watching WoW than there are watching GW2. Hell, even star trek online consistently has several times more people watching GW2 videos.

GW1 was an amazing PvP game.
Eve>Gw1>WoW>GW2 imo.

So? is that what you only do? comparing how many users views other mmorpgs videos to GW2? Did you ever thought those viewers probably don’t even play GW2?

Since you want to be a journalist keeping on track how many users watches videos of other mmorpgs than GW2. I suggest you write every user name and ask if they ever played GW2 before and come back here post it. Give specific questions while you’re at it why they prefer to watch this mmorpg video than GW2 etc.

Don’t be shy now just do it since this is your specialty.

lilz shorty.1879:

^ this does not indicate whether a game is fun or not lmfao.

Oh I know that I just want these guys to actually do something than bashing the game since that’s all they’re doing.

If they wanted to quit this game they would of not bother to post on the forums, but something keeps drawing them back. It must be their trolling blood and it’s hard to get rid of.

The op is saying that GW2 is funner to watch than WoW. I am simply saying that every single person that logs goes to twitch tv has the option of watching any video there. The thing is that 20 times more people are choosing to watch WoW videos. If GW2 is more fun to watch, then I would assume more people would be watching it. I don’t watch videos of a game that I think is boring to watch.

Beyond this insignificant evidence it is very subjective. I don’t enjoy watching any gameplay videos, unless it’s to decide if I want to buy a game or not.

Fernling.1729:

The op is saying that GW2 is funner to watch than WoW. I am simply saying that every single person that logs goes to twitch tv has the option of watching any video there. The thing is that 20 times more people are choosing to watch WoW videos. If GW2 is more fun to watch, then I would assume more people would be watching it. I don’t watch videos of a game that I think is boring to watch.

That is not always the truth. People watch games for many different reasons. The most important reason is because people who stream tend to have followers. It doesnt matter what game they stream, people will watch. Number 2 is gw2 is a new game that people do not understand yet. When people dont understand something, they stray away from it. Its just human nature. Also there are a lot more people who play WoW and don’t play it anymore because of fees etc, but would rather watch. Lastly people follow the bandwagon, if they see others watching one they will watch it too even if they dont care for it just to have an interactive chat.

You could almost say people don’t watch gw2 as much because everyone that would is in game playing it. =P

Fernling.1729:

The op is saying that GW2 is funner to watch than WoW. I am simply saying that every single person that logs goes to twitch tv has the option of watching any video there. The thing is that 20 times more people are choosing to watch WoW videos. If GW2 is more fun to watch, then I would assume more people would be watching it. I don’t watch videos of a game that I think is boring to watch.

Beyond this insignificant evidence it is very subjective. I don’t enjoy watching any gameplay videos, unless it’s to decide if I want to buy a game or not.

So you’re not going to do it huh……..okay.
Yeah I know what the OP said and that’s what he likes, but you wanted to prove he was wrong because you don’t agree with it. So you post a link like that’s suppose to do something, but it won’t work on the OP because he likes GW2.

Brutalistik.6473:

urinfamousr.7631:

Brutalistik.6473:

urinfamousr.7631:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so for the last hour for the first time in my life i watched WOW on twitch. i have never played WOW or watched any pvp before because most of you know im a console player and am new to pc.

but after playing and watching Guild Wars 2 i truly and 100% utterly believe Guild Wars 2 is better in every way. the game mode we have is way better the game last longer. its easier to understand whats going on. (could be easier if i played WOW maybe)

why did i watch WOW you might ask. well earlier i played GW2 with a 3000+ in WOW so i just wanted to see why if he is so good at that game why is he here. well now i understand.

my hope for GW2 going Esport just increased 100x

i think the reason i like guild wars 2 so much is my main game i was pro in was Gears Of War and these 2 have the same fill to it.

anyways i dont know what kind of responses i want from this so lets just talk about why there is only 2 mesmers left in the game and 1 million trap rangers please nerf chewbaca on endor

you can say wut ever u want the FACT is WoW 7 yrs later still has more PAYING subscribers than people who have bought GW2.. If gw2 was a p2p they wouldn’t even have half of the users they have now cause the game is a huge flop…

I wouldn’t be too sure about the subscribers rate because most of them just bots or people from cages farming gold to post websites to give ya free gold for lots of money. That’s the where the subscription rate comes from. I mean why not it’s a great deal and no one will ever know because WoW is only $15 a month and to those bots / farmers who sell gold on websites it’s pocket changes. They can purchase as many copies of WoW as long people like us “not me though” buy gold from them etc etc the cycle continues.

i guess the same can be said of gw since on a regular basis i get whisp/emailed ingame by gold sellers. to suggest that a majority of the player base in WoW are farmers is just ridiculous since gold is so easy to farm like 2 yrs back. it still doesnt negate the point that people are still willing to p2p a game 7 yrs old and with a larger player base than gw2 b2p

Well that’s an easy answer because WoW easy to play than it is here in GW2. You can’t tank 30 mobs as a higher level here than you can do in WoW and go afk as a healer because your hp regen high as well. The list will go on between comparing the two game.

urinfamousr.7631:

the pvp in this game is broken with some classes having waaaay too much advantage in their game mechanics..GW2 has more skill base? u must be trolling

That’s not trolling because that’s fact. You can dodge a fireball attack in here which relies on endurance while in WoW you have use a skill to dodge which last 20 seconds.

again ur not talking “skill” ur talking game mechanics since there is no healer in this game of course u cant tank 30mobs and thats true of any game where there is no healer.

urinfamousr.7631:

Brutalistik.6473:

urinfamousr.7631:

Brutalistik.6473:

urinfamousr.7631:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so for the last hour for the first time in my life i watched WOW on twitch. i have never played WOW or watched any pvp before because most of you know im a console player and am new to pc.

but after playing and watching Guild Wars 2 i truly and 100% utterly believe Guild Wars 2 is better in every way. the game mode we have is way better the game last longer. its easier to understand whats going on. (could be easier if i played WOW maybe)

why did i watch WOW you might ask. well earlier i played GW2 with a 3000+ in WOW so i just wanted to see why if he is so good at that game why is he here. well now i understand.

my hope for GW2 going Esport just increased 100x

i think the reason i like guild wars 2 so much is my main game i was pro in was Gears Of War and these 2 have the same fill to it.

anyways i dont know what kind of responses i want from this so lets just talk about why there is only 2 mesmers left in the game and 1 million trap rangers please nerf chewbaca on endor

you can say wut ever u want the FACT is WoW 7 yrs later still has more PAYING subscribers than people who have bought GW2.. If gw2 was a p2p they wouldn’t even have half of the users they have now cause the game is a huge flop…

I wouldn’t be too sure about the subscribers rate because most of them just bots or people from cages farming gold to post websites to give ya free gold for lots of money. That’s the where the subscription rate comes from. I mean why not it’s a great deal and no one will ever know because WoW is only $15 a month and to those bots / farmers who sell gold on websites it’s pocket changes. They can purchase as many copies of WoW as long people like us “not me though” buy gold from them etc etc the cycle continues.

i guess the same can be said of gw since on a regular basis i get whisp/emailed ingame by gold sellers. to suggest that a majority of the player base in WoW are farmers is just ridiculous since gold is so easy to farm like 2 yrs back. it still doesnt negate the point that people are still willing to p2p a game 7 yrs old and with a larger player base than gw2 b2p

Well that’s an easy answer because WoW easy to play than it is here in GW2. You can’t tank 30 mobs as a higher level here than you can do in WoW and go afk as a healer because your hp regen high as well. The list will go on between comparing the two game.

urinfamousr.7631:

the pvp in this game is broken with some classes having waaaay too much advantage in their game mechanics..GW2 has more skill base? u must be trolling

That’s not trolling because that’s fact. You can dodge a fireball attack in here which relies on endurance while in WoW you have use a skill to dodge which last 20 seconds.

again ur not talking “skill” ur talking game mechanics since there is no healer in this game of course u cant tank 30mobs and thats true of any game where there is no healer.

You can tank 30mobs as a warrior in WoW and just only in a low level zone. The difference between GW2 and WoW is when you go to a low level zone in GW2 your level goes down as well. It makes it challenging because you can’t walk through a zone one shotting everything as you can in WoW.

Looking at this thread only one thing crosses my mind. Have you been drinking for several days straight?

I’m a big WoW fan and think it is an awesome game. However, the pvp in GW2 is clearly more skilled based. WoW is just about pawning people with lower gear than you and being carried by healers.

There are a few people who have similar gear at top levels or if you turn your xp off at level 60 or 70, but the vast majority of the pvp in that game boils down to who has better gear. That is before you even look at the mechanics of the games, where in GW2 you have active dodging, a deeper condition mechanic, more complex interaction between classes due to various fields, portals, etc, and greater tactical advantages through terrain.

GW2 pvp also promotes a different mindset. Players who enjoy gear-grind are drawn to WoW, whereas in GW2 spvp is more about a skill-grind. You start on an even footing, with only skill and coordination separating good and bad players. People who really like pvp, as opposed to gear-grinding, can flourish in this game.

Just think about the pvp experience when you finally get to level cap in WoW. You play bgs and use your skilz to beat some players, then some overgeared player just stomps you. The only thing you can take from that is “I have to gear up”. There is no skill development here. Not skill based.

Now consider GW2 spvp. You log into the game and almost straight away you can start pvping on an equal footing to everyone else. You get in game and BAM, some thief teleports, backstabs, turns you to stone, and then HS you to death. Many people complain about this, but there is a fundemental difference between this and the WoW experience. The difference is you can only change the outcome of future games by getting more skill and experience in GW2-gearing up is not going to save you.

Simple. GW2 is skilled based pvp, WoW pvp is a kind of semi-pve gear-based grind.

For all that I believe WoW is a great game, if you think WoW pvp is more skill based than GW2 you are highly delusional I’m afraid.

Yes comparing to wow is wrong. totaly different mate.

GW2 have potential but there will be no “esport” word included around gw2 name for a long time from now.
I dont mind much, if they focus on “fix & improve” i am happy!

i decided last night to give WOW 1 more chance at impressing me. but nope it failed. i dont know if its the 20 year old graphics or the 2 min long matches or the fact that they say they won or lost before it starts and are 100% right everytime just by seeing the comp. or maybe its the fact that they all talk about how everyone runs AI programs to be able to compete.

idk maybe its all of the above but whatever it is and im srry WOW fans but i just cant watch it. Soccer is very famous also and has the most viewers in the world but other then ESPN highlights i cant sit down and watch a soccer game either.

Gw2 will get more viewers and it will go esports simply because it is fun to watch. maybe we just need more streamers.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

Gw2 will get more viewers and it will go esports simply because it is fun to watch. maybe we just need more streamers.

there were tons of pvp streamers at release but they all quit due to boredom/lack of viewers. there is nothing fun about watching conquest.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

i decided last night to give WOW 1 more chance at impressing me. but nope it failed. i dont know if its the 20 year old graphics or the 2 min long matches or the fact that they say they won or lost before it starts and are 100% right everytime just by seeing the comp. or maybe its the fact that they all talk about how everyone runs AI programs to be able to compete.

idk maybe its all of the above but whatever it is and im srry WOW fans but i just cant watch it. Soccer is very famous also and has the most viewers in the world but other then ESPN highlights i cant sit down and watch a soccer game either.

Gw2 will get more viewers and it will go esports simply because it is fun to watch. maybe we just need more streamers.

guild wars 2 isn’t entertaining to watch either lol

even if you made wow population the same size as guild wars 2, the wow PVP scene would be much bigger by a large margin