Guild Wars 2

Solstace.2514:

I highly doubt that players carry an entire team. That point of view is generally incorrect and somewhat arrogant. You need help to win a match in 5v5. You may contribute more than some of your members but chances are there are others on the team performing competently.

It only takes 1 or 2 unskilled players on a team to sink the match. It may feel as if the whole team stinks but it’s usually only one . Other times you have competent team mates but the team just doesn’t come up with a valid strategy and ends up disorganized or pushing too many points.

In the matches I’ve lost, it’s usually not because the other team was better, just that my team didn’t organize well. Got +1d in every fight, etc. but individually as players they were ok.

This with an emphasis of people refusing to talk until we’re down points and then wondering why things are falling apart are the majority of my lost matches.

I’ve been paired with lots of decent people, but I have to practically force people to communicate with target calling and/or incs through team chat, because nobody says anything.

It doesnt matter how good you are individually (to a degree, based on your profession – some credence given to mesmers and thieves), lots of this season not only tests your individual skill but how well you can organize a group of random people to achieve a goal.

When one or two people are unorganized in their matches, it sinks the team. Part of rising to this challenge involves being able to recognize and accomodate for that on the fly, instead of saying little to nothing then exploding when you melt or people otherwise dont know what you’re doing.

I also think it would be nice if all ratings were displayed. It could be done at the end of the match so there was less opportunity for blamestorming, since most people leave the match quickly after it ends. People could still salt-whisper you, but there is always the report/block button for that case.

So i would like to add another.

Today i played 3 games in ranked went 1-2. Ive now fallen below 1600. We should of won all 3 but 3rd game instead of running to a team mate to support my team mates chased 1 burn guard off point.

This picture is the 2nd match where we owned home and mid. The necro pushed far and i went to heal him (playing ele) . We ended up facing 3 of them because we had just killed them at mid. So we are fighting and we end up killing the necro in the 2 vs 3. Making it a 2 vs 2 for a period of time and then eventually losing to a 2 vs 3.

So while all that happened, our DH, mes and warrior lost a 2 vs 3 at home which then turned into a 3 cap for them. On paper this looks like a good game, we lost like 488-500. But this would of never happened had the 3 players at home lost a 3 vs 2.

This is where i need to learn how to get better. How do i win these fights where i am not there or how do i win these fights playing 1class/role and the other player im supporting just randomly changes target even though the person he was killing is finally low on health.

I need to learn those skills.

Mushin.3928:

I also think it would be nice if all ratings were displayed. It could be done at the end of the match so there was less opportunity for blamestorming, since most people leave the match quickly after it ends. People could still salt-whisper you, but there is always the report/block button for that case.

Im pretty sure they took that away so they could match up anyone with anyone. I atm still in gold 3 (wont be for long) but i have seen the duo ques of some of the top 10 players and the highest ive reached was platinum 1.

Also ive had team mates who are friends and even though i preferred to have them on my team. ( we were both solo queing ) They had ratings in the high 1200 which is literally 400 points behind me and possible more of someone else in the match.

It why im complaining pretty hard on the forums. Yes Anet gave us a better league system.

But as predicated they gave us a even worse match making system.

I always ask if someone is going to try and be a “far superstar” off the bat when waiting for a match to start. With PUGs that almost never works out well.

And at the very least, if you do have the heavies mid to sustain it for a short while, you need to tell them their job is simply to kite mid. Plus the number of fricken times someone races over there and gives them five points….. Then we lose mid too….

Establishing who is taking home, 4 are going mid, and that I will provide group swift to the guards and necros is normally about the extent of my chat. That and a helpful reminder to please call a target mid. With the threat that I suck at it and if noone does I’ll start doing it

shion.2084:

I always ask if someone is going to try and be a “far superstar” off the bat when waiting for a match to start. With PUGs that almost never works out well.

And at the very least, if you do have the heavies mid to sustain it for a short while, you need to tell them their job is simply to kite mid. Plus the number of fricken times someone races over there and gives them five points….. Then we lose mid too….

Establishing who is taking home, 4 are going mid, and that I will provide group swift to the guards and necros is normally about the extent of my chat. That and a helpful reminder to please call a target mid. With the threat that I suck at it and if noone does I’ll start doing it

Im always the far superstar because in 1-2 perosn Q’ing I can not rely on other teammates to have great map awareness. Sometimes they do, sometimes they dont. But ill tell you one thing. I win 66.6666666% of my games by being a… SUPERSTARRRRR. Its cause i know how to delay that far cap for a very long time and bail IF i see i will lose the fight.

“far superstar”. Trademarked incidentally

So what do you do Benny when your three mid that are outnumbered get wiped and your contesting far?

I find often that even if you win the far cap it might be a detriment if you get rolled mid. Its the overall team outcome and not the individual contesting that’s often the problem.

Solstace.2514:

I highly doubt that players carry an entire team. That point of view is generally incorrect and somewhat arrogant. You need help to win a match in 5v5. You may contribute more than some of your members but chances are there are others on the team performing competently.

It only takes 1 or 2 unskilled players on a team to sink the match. It may feel as if the whole team stinks but it’s usually only one . Other times you have competent team mates but the team just doesn’t come up with a valid strategy and ends up disorganized or pushing too many points.

In the matches I’ve lost, it’s usually not because the other team was better, just that my team didn’t organize well. Got +1d in every fight, etc. but individually as players they were ok.

This ^. I couldn’t have said it better.

kdaddy.5431:

my team mates chased 1 burn guard off point.

Shift click mid, remind them to hold mid if they get kited. If they want blood tell them he’ll be back. (Hold mid, he’ll be back)

The necro pushed far and i went to heal him (playing ele) .

We ended up facing 3 of them because we had just killed them at mid.

Should have let necro die and encourage him to come mid on respawn. Its ok to let them learn that pushing far on necro isnt something you do when team just wiped.

So while all that happened, our DH, mes and warrior lost a 2 vs 3 at home which then turned into a 3 cap for them.

Sorry, can’t help you there. two heavies should have taken home.

Just my cheap opinion. I’d rather let one person push far and die than go to help him, die myself, and have people struggling at mid because opponent just respawned and only needed one, two people to dedicate to you.

I’m of the opinion that an unskilled player far more negatively affects the outcome of a game than a greatly skilled player can positively affect it.

I think honestly that sometimes its us, when its us we know its us. On the other hand I dont agree that every game can be carried at all.

I can clearly see when I or my teammates are far outclassed. Most people do. The truth is it could be either issue, you or them, or sometimes sadly both.

I am very tired of hearing about this carrying nonsense. One person can not carry a game, unless perhaps you are an ESL player I will give you that.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

kdaddy.5431:

my team mates chased 1 burn guard off point.

Shift click mid, remind them to hold mid if they get kited. If they want blood tell them he’ll be back. (Hold mid, he’ll be back)

The necro pushed far and i went to heal him (playing ele) .

We ended up facing 3 of them because we had just killed them at mid.

Should have let necro die and encourage him to come mid on respawn. Its ok to let them learn that pushing far on necro isnt something you do when team just wiped.

So while all that happened, our DH, mes and warrior lost a 2 vs 3 at home which then turned into a 3 cap for them.

Sorry, can’t help you there. two heavies should have taken home.

Just my cheap opinion. I’d rather let one person push far and die than go to help him, die myself, and have people struggling at mid because opponent just respawned and only needed one, two people to dedicate to you.

My team was the (3) in the 2 vs 3.

I and the necro held 3 far and actually killed 1 at far. Only when the necro respwaned and come back did we eventually lose.

Our warrior, DH, mesmer lost to a engy and ranger at home. Had they won they simply rotate to mid and engage the next 3 vs 3.

We actually saw all 3 of them die respawn and try again to 2 died and 1 peeled off to mid.

The numbers were even across the board and if we were all of equal skill we would of maintained the 2 cap the whole way threw. Instead we got 3 capped.

Also im playing ele, im there to support not to sit mid. Going far with the necro gave us +5 for killing a enemy necro in a 2 vs 3.

At no point is saying the necro shouldnt have gone (which is true) makes up for the fact that my team (3) couldnt win a 3 vs 2.

kdaddy.5431:

Our warrior, DH, mesmer lost to a engy and ranger at home. Had they won they simply rotate to mid and engage the next 3 vs 3.

We actually saw all 3 of them die respawn and try again to 2 died and 1 peeled off to mid.

You just gotta play thief so you can out rotate this. Your team doesn’t even need to hold points for your to carry them to victory. /s

What’s funny is if Stronghold was the map, 4 thieves + guard would be pretty broken.

The issue with PvP is that a poor teammate makes such an impact on the overall score/outcome. With a couple of bad movements/rotations by teammates, it becomes much much worse.

The only solution is to open PvP to larger than 5 man and/or configure MMR score on more than just winning the PvP match (top performer categories help but need to be much more weighty or at least equal to a win for the losing team).

SteepledHat.1345:

kdaddy.5431:

Our warrior, DH, mesmer lost to a engy and ranger at home. Had they won they simply rotate to mid and engage the next 3 vs 3.

We actually saw all 3 of them die respawn and try again to 2 died and 1 peeled off to mid.

You just gotta play thief so you can out rotate this. Your team doesn’t even need to hold points for your to carry them to victory. /s

I don’t know if I could’ve played Thief against this tho. http://i.imgur.com/tnMWcA5.jpg

Oh yeah had two claiming on my team claiming to not have won once. So you know I was just too scrub to carry this. It was soo completely not the MM fault. It was soo not my team mates fault for having so little to no experience in PvP at all. It was soo not the fault of class stacking. This was all again my fault for not being able to carry those players against the team of DHs.

I think when ever I decide to play another rank match again. I’ll have my streaming software at the ready. My play through GW2 Ranked may bring viewers to my twitch and youtube channels just on the fact of how much of a comedy it is now.

I feel real bad that I didn’t at least record my placement matches tho. More so when I had team mates admitting to only be in Ranked for Ascended. Or my personal favorite “I only having 5 hours of PvP experience and is queuing Ranked leagues for the hell of it, because it’s fun.”

HAH!
I don’t play GW2’s PvP but MOBAS and this is what I am so mad about after a while. It’s for some reason always you. When I ask why it’s my fault people “lag”, it’s me. When people have to eat and make me lose, it’s me. And when they ragequit, it’s me.

In League of Legends, it’s even worse. They have a FAQ entry that is so contradictory that is basically always saying: “Our systems are fine, our players, too. It’s just you, only you” and usually you get thrown “Dunning-Kruger-Effect” at your head – despite the objective and plain truth-telling scoreboard at the end is the very opposite of subjectivity. Or “negativity bias” when you are on a lose streak. No, I am totally fine with a leaver in the 6th game. How could I just be negative?!? It’s a me issue as well.

It’s really just your fault. Everything. Apparently in every game.
I feel you, (s)PvP community of this game. I won’t try it – for my bloodpressure.

Excelsior,
a pvp forum lurker…

Zedek.8932:

HAH!
I don’t play GW2’s PvP but MOBAS and this is what I am so mad about after a while. It’s for some reason always you. When I ask why it’s my fault people “lag”, it’s me. When people have to eat and make me lose, it’s me. And when they ragequit, it’s me.

In League of Legends, it’s even worse. They have a FAQ entry that is so contradictory that is basically always saying: “Our systems are fine, our players, too. It’s just you, only you” and usually you get thrown “Dunning-Kruger-Effect” at your head – despite the objective and plain truth-telling scoreboard at the end is the very opposite of subjectivity. Or “negativity bias” when you are on a lose streak. No, I am totally fine with a leaver in the 6th game. How could I just be negative?!? It’s a me issue as well.

It’s really just your fault. Everything. Apparently in every game.
I feel you, (s)PvP community of this game. I won’t try it – for my bloodpressure.

Excelsior,
a pvp forum lurker…

It’s actually a pretty good community and PvP Ranked League. As long it’s not your main PvP game. There is just too many comical moments. Like after watching 2 or 3 of your team mates in Ranked just run far to instantly die to 2 DHs stacked trap like for the 7th time in a row…..Priceless. Or looking at playing on your team wearing all lvl 5 gear and tell you at the beginning of the match, that they only have 5 hours of total PvP experience and is playing ranked for the LOLs or just for the cheap Ascended gear." BEYOND PRICELESS

Competitive dedicated PvP dev teams, wouldn’t even allow these types of players to queue up for their ranked matches to begin with. And if you do slip through the cracks and get caught screwing other people over who are trying to compete in Rank it’s pretty much a perma ban on your account. Gotta do those 200 – 300 hours grinding through unranked on new account before you are allowed to Troll rank again.

I just laugh and carry on right now. When ever I want to compete I have other games to study and practice in to legit wave my kitten around in.