Guild Wars 2

Terrible is that they call it Guild Wars, and you can’t even play REAL Guild Wars.

It is hard for players because they are playing a Radically different game with each expansion. The updates are good but HoT broke the original promises of the game. There was not supposed to be power healing in this game as a role only a bit for support as an add on to a mainly damage dealing/condi build. No Holy Trinity. Also they sold us on the old trait system. Allot of players wouldn’t have even bought the first Gw2 pack if they saw meta battle and the trait system as it is now. The game is becoming premade like Codex Gw1

Tyrion.9015:

Terrible is that they call it Guild Wars, and you can’t even play REAL Guild Wars.

Is this another topic of “the game is called guild wars, where are the guild vs guild?”, because newsflash, the game is called Guild Wars after a defining war that took place shortly before GW1, which was a defining step in lore and history, almost literally causing all the mess in the world

Exciton.8942:

Learn to dodge.

Biggest ignorant statement of the day. Are you one of Naru’s many 16 year old fanboy minions? Probably are.

Amaimon.7823:

Tyrion.9015:

Terrible is that they call it Guild Wars, and you can’t even play REAL Guild Wars.

Is this another topic of “the game is called guild wars, where are the guild vs guild?”, because newsflash, the game is called Guild Wars after a defining war that took place shortly before GW1, which was a defining step in lore and history, almost literally causing all the mess in the world

Nope, but Gw1 PVP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Real MOBA’S>>>>&Gw2 PVP

SarahGobbi.2319:

Literally…. damage for some professions is off the roof and CC makes some matches unplayable…..

Literally:

CC
CC
CC
CC
CC
dead

No where near enough stability/cc breaks to cope with it.

I have played many games with such bad PvP, actually much much worse, just some examples of off the top of my head:

EQ, DAOC, AO, LOTRO, Aion, Lineage, WoW, Rift, Eve Online, ESO, Archage, many others over the years. Only games with decent PVP were FPS and pure MOBA. Not a single MMORPG I have experienced had good PVP in it, and as bad as this is, its actually still the best.

Starcraft felt pretty good to me for a long while, but not sure if that can be considered a PVP game and most definetly not within a comparable genre.

Tongku.5326:

SarahGobbi.2319:

Literally…. damage for some professions is off the roof and CC makes some matches unplayable…..

Literally:

CC
CC
CC
CC
CC
dead

No where near enough stability/cc breaks to cope with it.

I have played many games with such bad PvP, actually much much worse, just some examples of off the top of my head:

EQ, DAOC, AO, LOTRO, Aion, Lineage, WoW, Rift, Eve Online, ESO, Archage, many others over the years. Only games with decent PVP were FPS and pure MOBA. Not a single MMORPG I have experienced had good PVP in it, and as bad as this is, its actually still the best.

Starcraft felt pretty good to me for a long while, but not sure if that can be considered a PVP game and most definetly not within a comparable genre.

What did you find that was bad with the PvP in Eve Online and ESO? I’m just curious is all. Because in those two games more so in Eve Online if your machanical skill was high enoth. You could go 15 vs 300 and win more so if their was the typical just spam numbers zerglings we see in GW2. ESO’s PvP still in the CP campaign still allow such a skill gap that 1v10 or 20 is possible.

In GW2 this is just really not possible because of what HoT turned the game it. So if you just mean those two game’s PvP are harder to be successful then GW2, thus making them worst off then GW2. Then I guess so.

But in my opinion. Those two games I’ve listed allows for players to show off their skills much more then allowing the game to carry them to wins. ZOSes new push to Non CP PvP with poisons and proc sets yes as starting to turn ESO into what GW2 is now. Players being carried by the game and not their own skill.

That’s why I asked. Because I actually plays/ed those games for a considerable amount of time.

Tongku.5326:

SarahGobbi.2319:

Literally…. damage for some professions is off the roof and CC makes some matches unplayable…..

Literally:

CC
CC
CC
CC
CC
dead

No where near enough stability/cc breaks to cope with it.

I have played many games with such bad PvP, actually much much worse, just some examples of off the top of my head:

EQ, DAOC, AO, LOTRO, Aion, Lineage, WoW, Rift, Eve Online, ESO, Archage, many others over the years. Only games with decent PVP were FPS and pure MOBA. Not a single MMORPG I have experienced had good PVP in it, and as bad as this is, its actually still the best.

Starcraft felt pretty good to me for a long while, but not sure if that can be considered a PVP game and most definetly not within a comparable genre.

I too have to disagree.

For instance maybe you didnt like the game play. For instance i wasnt a huge fan of GW1 PvP.

But games like Aion and WoW i knew it was more build set up and gear set up then anything else. Like another game i loved was Diablo 2 and i always played a Bear Druid and casters were always stronger but if i had better gear i could win fights vs them.

So in a sense the balance made sense whether it was build specific or gear specific. You just have a preference to that type of combat system and the set up.

In GW2 it is suppose to be about skill but the problem becomes when X build is 10 times better then Y build. For instance the player who wants to play sword thief and runs into a D/P thief. It really just isnt fair.

If you want to go down and say core vanilla burn guardian vs a DH.

I give these examples because the builds i used in WoW, the build I used in D2, the build i used in Champions Online. If i loaded them back up they would still have some success depending on the style of play/changes of that game.

For GW2 they had GW2 core PvP for 5 years. They bring HOT in and nothing worked the same with less build variety and less team comp variety. When you start talking the meta it still doesnt make sense with in the rules of that game.

You have no idea what changes Anet will make. No one has a clue the direction of where this game is going.

Reaper Alim.4176:

Tongku.5326:

SarahGobbi.2319:

Literally…. damage for some professions is off the roof and CC makes some matches unplayable…..

Literally:

CC
CC
CC
CC
CC
dead

No where near enough stability/cc breaks to cope with it.

I have played many games with such bad PvP, actually much much worse, just some examples of off the top of my head:

EQ, DAOC, AO, LOTRO, Aion, Lineage, WoW, Rift, Eve Online, ESO, Archage, many others over the years. Only games with decent PVP were FPS and pure MOBA. Not a single MMORPG I have experienced had good PVP in it, and as bad as this is, its actually still the best.

Starcraft felt pretty good to me for a long while, but not sure if that can be considered a PVP game and most definetly not within a comparable genre.

What did you find that was bad with the PvP in Eve Online and ESO? I’m just curious is all. Because in those two games more so in Eve Online if your machanical skill was high enoth. You could go 15 vs 300 and win more so if their was the typical just spam numbers zerglings we see in GW2. ESO’s PvP still in the CP campaign still allow such a skill gap that 1v10 or 20 is possible.

In GW2 this is just really not possible because of what HoT turned the game it. So if you just mean those two game’s PvP are harder to be successful then GW2, thus making them worst off then GW2. Then I guess so.

But in my opinion. Those two games I’ve listed allows for players to show off their skills much more then allowing the game to carry them to wins. ZOSes new push to Non CP PvP with poisons and proc sets yes as starting to turn ESO into what GW2 is now. Players being carried by the game and not their own skill.

That’s why I asked. Because I actually plays/ed those games for a considerable amount of time.

Only counter zerg mechanic Eve offers is or rather was, pipe bombing. Vast majority of pvp there is pre-determined without any options for counter play. Some examples: miner ganking, cloaky scouting then popping into a counter fit with ECM and completely locking down an opponent (this is what I did and occasionally still do), there is a ton of stuff that is wrong with it, if you truly want to see then make an alpha toon, train it for 2-3 months, hop into null and go pvp, see how it goes for you. Do this repeatedly so you encounter many things that are wrong with it. Overall, biggest thing that is wrong is that player skill is irrelevant. Here you can at least stun break + cleanse and GTFO, there you cant.

ESO has rigth down stupid balance issues, people complaining here about skill balance have literally no clue how bad it is in other games. And the grind … about 100x worse then here by far. Here with right build once you’re 80 you can at least be semi effective in exotics, over there if you don’t have the gear you are super toast.