Guild Wars 2

PierPiero.9142:

i think this contest is “stupid” : in post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/The-nature-of-MMR-hell
Evan of anet admits clearly that there are some problems and that they are working on them If a company spends money on a problem , it is becouse the problem is real … otherwise none want to throws away his money … MMR hell is something real and known to ANET also ( they said it, not me )

OP was created before the topic you refer to, Tenebria proved it exists even before the topic was created, so the contest is not stupid for the time it was created.

Lucidity.5947:

You’re acting as if it’s a bad thing that I have a high MMR. MMR is something you earn not something that is given. I just explained to you how I earned that, in multiple facets pertaining to skill and actually commanding your team of sheep. Sadly, you must be one of the sheep. You actually have to be good at this game, there is no getting around that. If I can get a 70% winrate on a non meta weapon solo, then what is your excuse?

It’s great that you have a high MMR and have earned it. The problem with the current system is that if you don’t then it is now extremely hard to get one if you SoloQ. The game is, in fact, “out to get you” – or at least to prove you are exactly where you should be. It sticks you with people who it thinks are your level, which is something of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Of course you can shift the dial, but your play will need to improve pretty dramatically to “beat the system”, which is what you have to do in effect.

Sorry i did not see the date of the post

Lucidity.5947:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lucidity.5947:

I’ve lost 2 games, in my past 30 games or more. From amber to almost diamond 3 right now, in less than 7 days of actually playing pvp this season. I probably started like not even 3 weeks ago. There honestly isn’t a mmr hell, but you really need to hump the meta or you’ll simply be at a disadvantage.

I started by playing aura share d/d, to adapt my favorite d/d to the new meta. but I was only getting a winrate of like 70%, which obviously wasn’t right. Once I sucked it up, and started playing D/F I just stopped dropping hardly any games at all. I guess it helps that I know and met skilled people to team with at times, but I can honestly say I went through emerald and sapphire alone, by relying on a teamfight oriented build, and actively trying to command the pugs in team chat. When I didn’t care to type, those were the few times I actually lost. Facing 2 or 3 necros helps them too, but still :p

There isn’t a MMR hell. You just need to adapt your top tier class and build to what you’re facing every match, and have the moves to back it up.

Got a high MMR and conclude there is no MMR issue with MM. Typical.

Are you the kind of person that goes into a poor country and stay into a luxury resort only to concluded that what you saw was representative of the country?

If you want to see the reality ppl are talking about get out of your high MMR resort first. THEN and only THEN your comment will begin to have some credibility.

You’re acting as if it’s a bad thing that I have a high MMR. MMR is something you earn not something that is given. I just explained to you how I earned that, in multiple facets pertaining to skill and actually commanding your team of sheep. Sadly, you must be one of the sheep. You actually have to be good at this game, there is no getting around that. If I can get a 70% winrate on a non meta weapon solo, then what is your excuse?

No, I’m acting as someone that is amazed to still see someone with a high MMR saying there is no noticeable issue for them. No kitten! Of course you won’t see any issue in the conditions you make your journey in this season knowing how the MM works. You have to try it with average/low MMR to see it.

My beef with MMR being used to make your team is twofold:

First, it used to be irrelevant in making your team but no longer. My gaming behavior in ranked would have been very different a long time ago had it always been like that. The least they should have done after such a change is to reset the metric and warn ppl it is now going to have lasting consequences.

Second, and much more importantly, it provides different conditions under which players are competing. If you have a high MMR you are blessed with the best teammates available (far easier to carry) as opposed to average/low that can/will inherit bad/new players within the pip range (much harder to carry). The people with the strongest shoulders are given the lighter weights to carry while the weaker ones the heaviest. WTF do you expect happens? You simply manufacture condition that will confirm your metric and polarize it instead of testing it (it should be randomly formulated). If your MMR is significantly off reality skill-wise (for a plethora of reasons) you are either laughing or crying ATM.

The real excuse here is why do you feel it is fair to compete under different conditions as others? Why that sudden VIP treatment (or persona non grata on the other side of the medal)? What is so bad about formulating team randomly within a given pip range? You can’t possibly fear fighting on equal footing as others if you are THAT good.

I carried myself to legend; so can you, if you DESERVE it.

TheFisix.6047:

I carried myself to legend; so can you, if you DESERVE it.

Yes, you did… along with 4 other ppl… but hey, who care about them. You are the hero and this is your story.

Well, Tenebria, the thing is, that, while MMR hell is real, it’s 100% the player’s fault.

Because, as you state, your calculations are for SOLO QEUE players. So yes, for a stubborn player that refuses to team up even after seeing how his teammates’ quality quickly deteriorates after a 10 losing streak, it can be hell, but a hell of his own making.

I am now in such a position, after reaching ruby t3, i am now back in t1 with a 10 loss streak. Some of the games i lost were really close calls (5 points), so not all hope is lost, but it’s obvious for me that each game is going to get worse than the later, so I am in this difficult position where i have to either:

a- play one more game, knowing i will be fighting against odds.
b- quit playing. I am not going to reach diamond a this rate so, who cares? i can always go unranked and train my revenant. it’s said they are op, anyway.
c- find some decent players to team up with, so I won’t care what my MMR is.

If I choose option a, I am clearly sealing my fate.

If i choose b, i will get better for next season, and it’s likely i’ll get more wins by adding some offensive support and quick rez/stomping to my team, while right now i can only efficiently play defense (elementalist) and offense (necro), two roles that are usually covered easily.

If i choose c, i will have my destiny in my hands, and not in the hands of the MMR. My mmr will improve as i win more games and eventually i’ll be able to solo qeue again.

i think it’s a no-brainer.

Aenesthesia.1697:

Well, Tenebria, the thing is, that, while MMR hell is real, it’s 100% the player’s fault.

Because, as you state, your calculations are for SOLO QEUE players. So yes, for a stubborn player that refuses to team up even after seeing how his teammates’ quality quickly deteriorates after a 10 losing streak, it can be hell, but a hell of his own making.

I am now in such a position, after reaching ruby t3, i am now back in t1 with a 10 loss streak. Some of the games i lost were really close calls (5 points), so not all hope is lost, but it’s obvious for me that each game is going to get worse than the later, so I am in this difficult position where i have to either:

a- play one more game, knowing i will be fighting against odds.
b- quit playing. I am not going to reach diamond a this rate so, who cares? i can always go unranked and train my revenant. it’s said they are op, anyway.
c- find some decent players to team up with, so I won’t care what my MMR is.

If I choose option a, I am clearly sealing my fate.

If i choose b, i will get better for next season, and it’s likely i’ll get more wins by adding some offensive support and quick rez/stomping to my team, while right now i can only efficiently play defense (elementalist) and offense (necro), two roles that are usually covered easily.

If i choose c, i will have my destiny in my hands, and not in the hands of the MMR. My mmr will improve as i win more games and eventually i’ll be able to solo qeue again.

i think it’s a no-brainer.

Not only is this all deja vu on the subject but that is quite the oversimplification you got there. In theory what you say is something everyone knows and agree with. The problem is, making teams at the moment you can pvp is not always this simple for everyone.

Finding reliable teammates can often require a lot of time and synchronization and time is not equally available for all. How many times did I asked any of my 5 guilds in all guild chats for partners and get nothing in return? I even joined ETS to help me but when I ask for ruby partners 85% of the time I get crickets as an answer.

Of course when I play and find good teammates I add them to my friend list and they do the same but you would be surprised at how not easy at all it is to time your play time. Some also have been playing more while others less and the rank we shared no longer is.

In the end players who soloq in a team setting do so because they feel/realize they have the choice between trying alone or not at all a lot of the time. Why do you think soloq is so popular? It answer an obvious demand.

Reasoning the way you do is akin to telling a homeless person to get a home to change her life. As if she didn’t wanted to. The problem obviously isn’t her not wanting.

Arcade.8901:

PierPiero.9142:

i think this contest is “stupid” : in post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/The-nature-of-MMR-hell
Evan of anet admits clearly that there are some problems and that they are working on them If a company spends money on a problem , it is becouse the problem is real … otherwise none want to throws away his money … MMR hell is something real and known to ANET also ( they said it, not me )

OP was created before the topic you refer to, Tenebria proved it exists even before the topic was created, so the contest is not stupid for the time it was created.

Except Ensign’s model was more toward proving it didn’t exist. Read the whole post don’t cherry pick want you to see. A-net has acknowledged there is a problem that doesn’t mean anybody is 100% right. We’ve had leagues for what four months now of course it will be constantly revised over time. While MMR hell might exist most of the people that think they are stuck in it really aren’t. If they keep leagues solely skill based as they plan is there goal there will always be a lot of people that can’t advance past the first few leagues. If your someone that has lost 20 games in a row or more I wouldn’t wipe my brow going whew A-net is going to make things all better for me with the next iteration. That would be a gigantic mistake imo. People should always be trying to improve and stop trying to blame everything on things that may or may not be effecting them like MMR hell.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

In the end players who soloq in a team setting do so because they feel/realize they have the choice between trying alone or not at all a lot of the time. Why do you think soloq is so popular? It answer an obvious demand.

Reasoning the way you do is akin to telling a homeless person to get a home to change her life. As if she didn’t wanted to. The problem obviously isn’t her not wanting.

As to why solo q is popular, in season 1 you actually got punished for teaming up with people if you weren’t already good as a team, as the system whould pitch you against high mmr teams.

Season 2 should have destroyed soloq. Yet sill people insist in banging their heads against the same wall while complaining it’s too tough. Yeah, it’s too tough alright… it’s a wall!

I know it’s not always easy to find a decent group to play with. I almost always play after 1 am, so go tell me. The players i knew that got me out of the mmr hell in amber are no longer playing, and my guild mates completely passed on pvp since HOT came out, and they just hit sapphire in a week of playtime, but never played with me.

So I know it’s not that easy, but you have to factor what is worse: playing one more match with the ugly thief that suicides far at the start of the match, or spending the same time looking for a group.

the difference with the homeless, is that the homeless actually cannot get herself a home. Any player can get himself one or two players to team up with.

brannigan.9831:

Arcade.8901:

PierPiero.9142:

i think this contest is “stupid” : in post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/The-nature-of-MMR-hell
Evan of anet admits clearly that there are some problems and that they are working on them If a company spends money on a problem , it is becouse the problem is real … otherwise none want to throws away his money … MMR hell is something real and known to ANET also ( they said it, not me )

OP was created before the topic you refer to, Tenebria proved it exists even before the topic was created, so the contest is not stupid for the time it was created.

Except Ensign’s model was more toward proving it didn’t exist. Read the whole post don’t cherry pick want you to see. A-net has acknowledged there is a problem that doesn’t mean anybody is 100% right. We’ve had leagues for what four months now of course it will be constantly revised over time. While MMR hell might exist most of the people that think they are stuck in it really aren’t. If they keep leagues solely skill based as they plan is there goal there will always be a lot of people that can’t advance past the first few leagues. If your someone that has lost 20 games in a row or more I wouldn’t wipe my brow going whew A-net is going to make things all better for me with the next iteration. That would be a gigantic mistake imo. People should always be trying to improve and stop trying to blame everything on things that may or may not be effecting them like MMR hell.

I’m glad there are people that have this attitude. If more people did the forums would be more constructive less blaming the system.

Aenesthesia.1697:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

In the end players who soloq in a team setting do so because they feel/realize they have the choice between trying alone or not at all a lot of the time. Why do you think soloq is so popular? It answer an obvious demand.

Reasoning the way you do is akin to telling a homeless person to get a home to change her life. As if she didn’t wanted to. The problem obviously isn’t her not wanting.

As to why solo q is popular, in season 1 you actually got punished for teaming up with people if you weren’t already good as a team, as the system whould pitch you against high mmr teams.

Season 2 should have destroyed soloq. Yet sill people insist in banging their heads against the same wall while complaining it’s too tough. Yeah, it’s too tough alright… it’s a wall!

I know it’s not always easy to find a decent group to play with. I almost always play after 1 am, so go tell me. The players i knew that got me out of the mmr hell in amber are no longer playing, and my guild mates completely passed on pvp since HOT came out, and they just hit sapphire in a week of playtime, but never played with me.

So I know it’s not that easy, but you have to factor what is worse: playing one more match with the ugly thief that suicides far at the start of the match, or spending the same time looking for a group.

the difference with the homeless, is that the homeless actually cannot get herself a home. Any player can get himself one or two players to team up with.

To be fair, I now mostly do my dailies and that is it.

I don’t do this for the back pack as I’m already assured to get it. I do it because every time I hope I’ll have a taste of the fun part of competing in pvp. I like the competition. I’m competitive. But to play what I used to do and like I have to do some serious gymnastic or just don’t play.

WvW is mostly kapout, the new legendaries are on the ice and ranked soloq is a toxic pit of utmost frustration instead of a source of satisfying matches… maybe I should just find a new hobby…

NeXeD.3042:

brannigan.9831:

Arcade.8901:

PierPiero.9142:

i think this contest is “stupid” : in post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/The-nature-of-MMR-hell
Evan of anet admits clearly that there are some problems and that they are working on them If a company spends money on a problem , it is becouse the problem is real … otherwise none want to throws away his money … MMR hell is something real and known to ANET also ( they said it, not me )

OP was created before the topic you refer to, Tenebria proved it exists even before the topic was created, so the contest is not stupid for the time it was created.

Except Ensign’s model was more toward proving it didn’t exist. Read the whole post don’t cherry pick want you to see. A-net has acknowledged there is a problem that doesn’t mean anybody is 100% right. We’ve had leagues for what four months now of course it will be constantly revised over time. While MMR hell might exist most of the people that think they are stuck in it really aren’t. If they keep leagues solely skill based as they plan is there goal there will always be a lot of people that can’t advance past the first few leagues. If your someone that has lost 20 games in a row or more I wouldn’t wipe my brow going whew A-net is going to make things all better for me with the next iteration. That would be a gigantic mistake imo. People should always be trying to improve and stop trying to blame everything on things that may or may not be effecting them like MMR hell.

I’m glad there are people that have this attitude. If more people did the forums would be more constructive less blaming the system.

Yeah, if the forum was always agreeing with me and complaining about those complaining it would be way better!

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

NeXeD.3042:

brannigan.9831:

Arcade.8901:

PierPiero.9142:

i think this contest is “stupid” : in post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/The-nature-of-MMR-hell
Evan of anet admits clearly that there are some problems and that they are working on them If a company spends money on a problem , it is becouse the problem is real … otherwise none want to throws away his money … MMR hell is something real and known to ANET also ( they said it, not me )

OP was created before the topic you refer to, Tenebria proved it exists even before the topic was created, so the contest is not stupid for the time it was created.

Except Ensign’s model was more toward proving it didn’t exist. Read the whole post don’t cherry pick want you to see. A-net has acknowledged there is a problem that doesn’t mean anybody is 100% right. We’ve had leagues for what four months now of course it will be constantly revised over time. While MMR hell might exist most of the people that think they are stuck in it really aren’t. If they keep leagues solely skill based as they plan is there goal there will always be a lot of people that can’t advance past the first few leagues. If your someone that has lost 20 games in a row or more I wouldn’t wipe my brow going whew A-net is going to make things all better for me with the next iteration. That would be a gigantic mistake imo. People should always be trying to improve and stop trying to blame everything on things that may or may not be effecting them like MMR hell.

I’m glad there are people that have this attitude. If more people did the forums would be more constructive less blaming the system.

Yeah, if the forum was always agreeing with me and complaining about those complaining it would be way better!

I’m glad more people don’t feel entitled to everything because they paid for a product. Better?

NeXeD.3042:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

NeXeD.3042:

brannigan.9831:

Arcade.8901:

PierPiero.9142:

i think this contest is “stupid” : in post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/The-nature-of-MMR-hell
Evan of anet admits clearly that there are some problems and that they are working on them If a company spends money on a problem , it is becouse the problem is real … otherwise none want to throws away his money … MMR hell is something real and known to ANET also ( they said it, not me )

OP was created before the topic you refer to, Tenebria proved it exists even before the topic was created, so the contest is not stupid for the time it was created.

Except Ensign’s model was more toward proving it didn’t exist. Read the whole post don’t cherry pick want you to see. A-net has acknowledged there is a problem that doesn’t mean anybody is 100% right. We’ve had leagues for what four months now of course it will be constantly revised over time. While MMR hell might exist most of the people that think they are stuck in it really aren’t. If they keep leagues solely skill based as they plan is there goal there will always be a lot of people that can’t advance past the first few leagues. If your someone that has lost 20 games in a row or more I wouldn’t wipe my brow going whew A-net is going to make things all better for me with the next iteration. That would be a gigantic mistake imo. People should always be trying to improve and stop trying to blame everything on things that may or may not be effecting them like MMR hell.

I’m glad there are people that have this attitude. If more people did the forums would be more constructive less blaming the system.

Yeah, if the forum was always agreeing with me and complaining about those complaining it would be way better!

I’m glad more people don’t feel entitled to everything because they paid for a product. Better?

yes.

brannigan.9831:

Arcade.8901:

PierPiero.9142:

i think this contest is “stupid” : in post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/The-nature-of-MMR-hell
Evan of anet admits clearly that there are some problems and that they are working on them If a company spends money on a problem , it is becouse the problem is real … otherwise none want to throws away his money … MMR hell is something real and known to ANET also ( they said it, not me )

OP was created before the topic you refer to, Tenebria proved it exists even before the topic was created, so the contest is not stupid for the time it was created.

Except Ensign’s model was more toward proving it didn’t exist. Read the whole post don’t cherry pick want you to see. A-net has acknowledged there is a problem that doesn’t mean anybody is 100% right. We’ve had leagues for what four months now of course it will be constantly revised over time. While MMR hell might exist most of the people that think they are stuck in it really aren’t. If they keep leagues solely skill based as they plan is there goal there will always be a lot of people that can’t advance past the first few leagues. If your someone that has lost 20 games in a row or more I wouldn’t wipe my brow going whew A-net is going to make things all better for me with the next iteration. That would be a gigantic mistake imo. People should always be trying to improve and stop trying to blame everything on things that may or may not be effecting them like MMR hell.

Hm i don’t, Ensign’s model still shows that some will be stuck anyway. While others ll be able to progress. I m not cherry picking.

Sure people should try to improve, sometimes it’s impossible though. I was diamond in the first week of season 2, i have faced a lot of top players here on EU. Even Noscos who was bored with NA que times. That the time when i have faced my MMR hell, but i never whined about it. I was actually fine with it.