Guild Wars 2

Can you please make Asura Bigger/Give them the same animations as humans in SPVP only? Its quite ridiculous how much of an advantage they have over other races.

I can’t even tell if they are using an attack, or dodging. It looks exactly the same, the particle effects also drown them out.

Its worse then fighting Oddjob in goldeneye.

Asura is broken and makes the game broken. Minimum size should fix this. They said it was on their radar. Their radar is very sensitive though. So this could mean miles out.

I play a charr Or a max size norn thief

jportell.2197:

I play a charr Or a max size norn thief

It gets worse the higher ranked you are.

Daecollo.9578:

jportell.2197:

I play a charr Or a max size norn thief

It gets worse the higher ranked you are.

A lot of top players. Top 50 Team Arena. Do NOT play Asura and they do just fine.

Jasher.6580:

Daecollo.9578:

jportell.2197:

I play a charr Or a max size norn thief

It gets worse the higher ranked you are.

A lot of top players. Top 50 Team Arena. Do NOT play Asura and they do just fine.

The top 50 players are usually the ones who are away from the game or just came back. Don’t really care about that until its fixed.

Jasher.6580:

Daecollo.9578:

jportell.2197:

I play a charr Or a max size norn thief

It gets worse the higher ranked you are.

A lot of top players. Top 50 Team Arena. Do NOT play Asura and they do just fine.

IIRC, wasn’t the anniversary tournament entirely (or almost entirely) Asura and Minimum Size Human Females? That says something.

evilapprentice.6379:

Jasher.6580:

Daecollo.9578:

jportell.2197:

I play a charr Or a max size norn thief

It gets worse the higher ranked you are.

A lot of top players. Top 50 Team Arena. Do NOT play Asura and they do just fine.

IIRC, wasn’t the anniversary tournament entirely (or almost entirely) Asura and Minimum Size Human Females? That says something.

Lol.

I think he means the leaderboards, which is mostly top 50 afk players.

Daecollo.9578:

evilapprentice.6379:

Jasher.6580:

Daecollo.9578:

jportell.2197:

I play a charr Or a max size norn thief

It gets worse the higher ranked you are.

A lot of top players. Top 50 Team Arena. Do NOT play Asura and they do just fine.

IIRC, wasn’t the anniversary tournament entirely (or almost entirely) Asura and Minimum Size Human Females? That says something.

Lol.

I think he means the leaderboards, which is mostly top 50 afk players.

That was my point – the players who made it to a cash prize tournament decided to all roll tiny characters – that’s indicative of an issue. Skilled players playing for money decided Asura and Min size human females were the best choice – leaderboards don’t even come into the equation.

Asura you can be seen less and you can see more. Ever tried a jumping puzzle with a norn? Not easy because your dude blocks off most of your camera. So yeh, asura is a huge advantage from both the perspective that you cant be seen much and from the perspective that you have a wider field of vision on others.

evilapprentice.6379:

Jasher.6580:

Daecollo.9578:

jportell.2197:

I play a charr Or a max size norn thief

It gets worse the higher ranked you are.

A lot of top players. Top 50 Team Arena. Do NOT play Asura and they do just fine.

IIRC, wasn’t the anniversary tournament entirely (or almost entirely) Asura and Minimum Size Human Females? That says something.

Okay, then why not change the topic to Nobody plays anything but Asura and minimum size female humans? Also… if you look at the top 500 ACTIVE players I can name quite a few of them who play Charr, Humans, Sylvari and Norns.

Super Squad, not everyone played Asura, Team Paradigm/Curse… not everyone plays Asura.

If it really is about min/maxing, these teams should technically be playing ONLY Asura. They don’t. And the ones who don’t aren’t castigated, and they do just fine.

Jasher.6580:

evilapprentice.6379:

Jasher.6580:

Daecollo.9578:

jportell.2197:

I play a charr Or a max size norn thief

It gets worse the higher ranked you are.

A lot of top players. Top 50 Team Arena. Do NOT play Asura and they do just fine.

IIRC, wasn’t the anniversary tournament entirely (or almost entirely) Asura and Minimum Size Human Females? That says something.

Okay, then why not change the topic to Nobody plays anything but Asura and minimum size female humans? Also… if you look at the top 500 ACTIVE players I can name quite a few of them who play Charr, Humans, Sylvari and Norns.

Super Squad, not everyone played Asura, Team Paradigm/Curse… not everyone plays Asura.

If it really is about min/maxing, these teams should technically be playing ONLY Asura. They don’t. And the ones who don’t aren’t castigated, and they do just fine.

So if all the top players don’t really use Asura, why not just make their model size bigger? If you feel their model size doesn’t provide any substantial benefit, then your rhetoric is argument enough there is no harm in making them bigger. Thanks for only confirming the point further.

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

Jasher.6580:

evilapprentice.6379:

Jasher.6580:

Daecollo.9578:

jportell.2197:

I play a charr Or a max size norn thief

It gets worse the higher ranked you are.

A lot of top players. Top 50 Team Arena. Do NOT play Asura and they do just fine.

IIRC, wasn’t the anniversary tournament entirely (or almost entirely) Asura and Minimum Size Human Females? That says something.

Okay, then why not change the topic to Nobody plays anything but Asura and minimum size female humans? Also… if you look at the top 500 ACTIVE players I can name quite a few of them who play Charr, Humans, Sylvari and Norns.

Super Squad, not everyone played Asura, Team Paradigm/Curse… not everyone plays Asura.

If it really is about min/maxing, these teams should technically be playing ONLY Asura. They don’t. And the ones who don’t aren’t castigated, and they do just fine.

So if all the top players don’t really use Asura, why not just make their model size bigger? If you feel their model size doesn’t provide any substantial benefit, then your rhetoric is argument enough there is no harm in making them bigger. Thanks for only confirming the point further.

Its not just size, its animation.

A lot of their attacks have the same animation.

Patently false.

Make a small asuran warrior and use all the attacks for every weapon, then make a large norn warrior and do the same.
Now tell me the asuran animations aren’t jacked.

Keep in mind the particle effect spam that is the GW2 combat while looking at these animations.

Look, the point I’m making is that the OP’s statement is false. Not everyone plays Asura. Not even in the higher brackets.

Jasher.6580:

Look, the point I’m making is that the OP’s statement is false. Not everyone plays Asura. Not even in the higher brackets.

OP’s hyperbole might have been off, but his point remains valid – Asura have a noticeable advantage when you consider how many pets some current viable builds can field, the fact that they have entirely different animations for the same attacks when compared to other races (which means memorizing 2 animations for each attack), and how hard it can be to read said animations.

evilapprentice.6379:

Jasher.6580:

Look, the point I’m making is that the OP’s statement is false. Not everyone plays Asura. Not even in the higher brackets.

OP’s hyperbole might have been off, but his point remains valid – Asura have a noticeable advantage when you consider how many pets some current viable builds can field, the fact that they have entirely different animations for the same attacks when compared to other races (which means memorizing 2 animations for each attack), and how hard it can be to read said animations.

Its also funny that Male/Female Asura look the same while your fighting them. However they both have unique animations for each attack. So if your fighting a male or female asura you may get confused because of what one does. But there bodies look exactly the same.

I can make a very manly looking Asura female, or a very feminine looking Asura Male. Confusing my foe even more.

One of the best warriors: Defektive plays a female Asura because of this.

Skull Cracks animation for example is different on male/female asura… lol.

I prefer smaller models because of the smoothness of regular movement. I don’t have that much of a problem with Asura animations, at least not with skills that are pretty clearly telegraphed anyway. I can see where it becomes an issue with skills that are a bit more telegraphed on bigger models, like Skull Crack etc, but wouldn’t a better fix be to just improve the targeting system and rework some casting time/animation? Also, many of the skills you can’t see are just badly telegraphed anyway.

Leuca.5732:

I prefer smaller models because of the smoothness of regular movement. I don’t have that much of a problem with Asura animations, at least not with skills that are pretty clearly telegraphed anyway. I can see where it becomes an issue with skills that are a bit more telegraphed on bigger models, like Skull Crack etc, but wouldn’t a better fix be to just improve the targeting system and rework some casting time/animation? Also, many of the skills you can’t see are just badly telegraphed anyway.

If you play an asura, its easier to see what other asura are doing.

The day they increase my height is the day I quit spvp and go to wvw. Balancing is important, but forcing small characters to be large is not the way to do it. It is the way to make that character look awkward and ugly though.

I just want the option to turn my enemies into a default Generic Model.

I believe devs mentioned making all pvp models into a generic size can’t remember where. But also like all devs talk this could be months and months away.

Yes asura gives a benefit to the user in FoV and in animation size. No it isn’t gamebreaking but the problem exists.

Edit:
Hopefully it’s implemented so you can use an option to see enemies at same size not forces you to look ugly.

Daecollo.9578:

If you play an asura, its easier to see what other asura are doing.

If you mean that having experience playing an asura gets you somewhat used to their animations, then that kind of goes without saying.

could not fear a guy rezzing because a pet was between us and i could not target him, he was smaller than the pet + you knee down while rezzing

Blackjack.5621:

could not fear a guy rezzing because a pet was between us and i could not target him, he was smaller than the pet + you knee down while rezzing

I can relate to this. Once died to an Asuran warrior with 100 blades because he was standing in a pet and I didn’t notice it.

Targeting them sucks, because bigger things like pets and minions would make me target those first.

I for once agree with you Daecollo.9578. A large part of this game comes from reading animation since their are no cast bars in this. Asura are small so that means all of their animations are A LOT smaller. An easy fix would be just give people cast bars. Or we can normalize models in pvp. This is a serious issue and honestly i wonder why anet put in a very small sized class in a game based off of reading animation.

kitten s.7421:

I for once agree with you Daecollo.9578. A large part of this game comes from reading animation since their are no cast bars in this. Asura are small so that means all of their animations are A LOT smaller. An easy fix would be just give people cast bars. Or we can normalize models in pvp. This is a serious issue and honestly i wonder why anet put in a very small sized class in a game based off of reading animation.

It should be no.1 priority. Cleaning up the battlefield and making dudes bigger. We have no idea what balance is because it is all hidden by this BS

QUILTY.8654:

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Yeh everyone sucks. How insightful.

Lordrosicky.5813:

kitten s.7421:

I for once agree with you Daecollo.9578. A large part of this game comes from reading animation since their are no cast bars in this. Asura are small so that means all of their animations are A LOT smaller. An easy fix would be just give people cast bars. Or we can normalize models in pvp. This is a serious issue and honestly i wonder why anet put in a very small sized class in a game based off of reading animation.

It should be no.1 priority. Cleaning up the battlefield and making dudes bigger. We have no idea what balance is because it is all hidden by this BS

There are plenty of skills that are badly telegraphed even on the largest character model you can create. It is dishonest to say we have no idea what balance looks like when there are skills that clearly violate any idea of what balanced should be.

Prioritizing animations (even by race) is more important than the size of your character model. I also see nobody mentioning the fact that really big character models can completely obstruct your view of normal-sized models, but nobody is asking for huge Charr/Norn to be brought to a size standard that makes sense.

<— Norn.

Daecollo.9578:

Can you please make Asura Bigger/Give them the same animations as humans in SPVP only? Its quite ridiculous how much of an advantage they have over other races.

I can’t even tell if they are using an attack, or dodging. It looks exactly the same, the particle effects also drown them out.

Its worse then fighting Oddjob in goldeneye.

Wait wait wait…

It’s a lot worse THEN fighting Oddjob? So you fight the Asuran first..then Oddjob?

Asura is a clear edge, people like myself dont use them because the number of good players are so low in the game it does not matter and we really dont care.

Against very good players you want an asura its harder to tell whats coming at you, easy to see what a the other races are going to do.

Flat out broken and that people here dont think its broken says how low the competative level of PvP conquest mode is. Clueless.

There are a lot of animation shenanigans that you can do abusing character models.
A juvenile Reef Drake is big enough to completely obstruct a min size asura, you can put the drake in idle mode (won’ t attack foes and stand still) and let your pocket necromancer hide inside it.
The other team will be all like “focus the necro” and then “where the heck is it” lol.

You can also make use of the way some attacks are over telegraphed; a max size guardian using banish will scream “dodge me”, a max size guardian using the regular hammer auto attack chain and then replacing the third hit with banish will most likely connect.

And how not to mention mesmers ? Landing illusionary frenzy with a max size char and landing it with an asura are two entirely different tasks. The advantage of playing the char being the incredible amout of visual clutter that PHAT clones can produce.

The same goes for warriors, i love how an asura warrior can extend his hundred blades outside the phisical area covered by his greatsword.