Guild Wars 2

Lol

Necro is top tier but dies to thief.

Ele still beats both ranger and dh easily.

Condi warrior is great.

Condi necro is pretty stupid at the moment, so is condi thief. Condi rev as well… looks like still 100% condi meta.

I play as power on my necro (always had) and I didn’t see much change from last patch thus far. Still seems alright.

online.1278:

Super OP : Rev, necro
Bit OP : engi, guardian, ranger
Normal :Ele, mes
Weak :Warrior, thief

Thanks, I needed a chuckle this morning.

AtomsOrSystems.9420:

online.1278:

Super OP : Rev, necro
Bit OP : engi, guardian, ranger
Normal :Ele, mes
Weak :Warrior, thief

Thanks, I needed a chuckle this morning.

Has it been already been 24 hours since the patch dropped? My goodness, you were late with the OP post. Should’ve made on as soon as patch dropped.

Thoth Divine.8642:

Condi necro is pretty stupid at the moment, so is condi thief. Condi rev as well… looks like still 100% condi meta.

I play as power on my necro (always had) and I didn’t see much change from last patch thus far. Still seems alright.

Agree. I guess toughness also need to decrease incoming condi dmg.

Why is guard involved in this? Engi and ranger are way better than it. Guard doesn’t have the same sustain when paired with the same amulet

Timston.1976:

Why is guard involved in this? Engi and ranger are way better than it. Guard doesn’t have the same sustain when paired with the same amulet

i just put there becuz i don’t want to make new category for guardian only. Guardian is like between normal and a bit OP.

Very bad list. How can be a necro top tier if its still the worst to survive focus fire? All go on necro and say bye to patch buffs. Bad teams/players got killed by necro before patch and will be killed now too. People talks about necromancers after the patch like they have best survivability mobility and dps in game which i not really agree with.

Any class without stealth would be hard to survive focus fire.

I can’t believe the OP lists Rev as OPed, Rev is basically trash tier now.

Do you even pvp bruh?
Im gunna take a wild guess and say you’re a warrior main.

online.1278:

Super OP : Rev, necro
Bit OP : engi, guardian, ranger
Normal :Ele, mes
Weak :Warrior, thief

What is so strong about Rev this patch?
Arent they more like average this patch?

Warrior is probably better than ele and mes now.
Also better than Rev now I think.

Thief is up there in the bit OP or Super OP list.

Yashuoa.9527:

online.1278:

Super OP : Rev, necro
Bit OP : engi, guardian, ranger
Normal :Ele, mes
Weak :Warrior, thief

What is so strong about Rev this patch?
Arent they more like average this patch?

Warrior is probably better than ele and mes now.
Maybe also better than Rev.

Thief is up there in the bit OP or Super OP list.

what ammy use for your rev?

Rev can’t do anything tanky now.
If you go to shiro, you will die from condies thieves/druids/chrono/necromants.
So no, rev really weaker, then my enj, that can clean any condies from himself any 3 seconds all time…
And yeah, never saw any condy rev (for all season), that will be better then necromant or chrono/druid. Just go away from fire field and sadly look how he trying to stack torment at you, when others can give you 10 stacks of bleedind/poisons/confusion for 2-3 seconds, just use 2-3 skills…

try burn warrior and see if it’s weak

Bebunw.8137:

try burn warrior and see if it’s weak

that’s exactly what people said when HoT was released..

This list is so wrong. This patch has an almost perfect rock-paper-scissors set up, which for a game with very few characters it is required. My list looks way different.

Strong: Necro
Slightly Strong: Thief
Bundled in the counter pick game: Everyone but
Needs the lightest of buffs: Mesmer

Ele is bottom tier now

online.1278:

Yashuoa.9527:

online.1278:

Super OP : Rev, necro
Bit OP : engi, guardian, ranger
Normal :Ele, mes
Weak :Warrior, thief

What is so strong about Rev this patch?
Arent they more like average this patch?

Warrior is probably better than ele and mes now.
Maybe also better than Rev.

Thief is up there in the bit OP or Super OP list.

what ammy use for your rev?

Rev is my second least played class.
As far as I know, they still use the same Amulets as prepatch for Mallyx (Viper, maybe Merc now too) and Power Rev (Marauder/Crusader and maybe Mender now too) meta builds.

First part of glint heal took a nerf (not instant anymore, so have to let it consume energy if you want to have instant access to the second part) sword autos too and Power Rev lacks condition cleanse. Necros are great vs Mallyx Rev and more burst environment isnt in their advantage either. Also Unwavering avoidance cd nerf.
Thats what I based my post and questions on. Seemed less strong to me in this patch, unlike their super strength pervious patch.

Your comment seems to imply that you think that Revs are still top.
Care to elaborate why?

lighter.2708:

Bebunw.8137:

try burn warrior and see if it’s weak

that’s exactly what people said when HoT was released..

yeah but there is no more rollface celestial bunker to counter us so good now

Well these kind of threads are always fun, even when it’s only been just over 24 hours.

This list is strictly from theorycrafting and a tiny bit of experience.

- Reaper
- Druid
- Daredevil
- Scrapper
- Tempest (Yes, I’m serious. It’s not that bad)
- Herald
- Dragonhunter
- Chronomancer
- Berserker

List is subject to change at any time.

Have you tried stunburst Berserker? Its way tougher than you give credit for.

So far, based on testing and asking PvP guildies it seems we mostly agree on the following;

S tier – Condi Reaper, Daredevil, Power Scrapper, Power Rev

A Tier – Power Druid, DH, Condi Rev

B Tier (this one is more variable) – Berserker (some of them say they are crap), Power Reaper, Shout Druid.

Z Tier – Tempest, Chrono.

Fortus.6175:

So far, based on testing and asking PvP guildies it seems we mostly agree on the following;

S tier – Condi Reaper, Daredevil, Power Scrapper, Power Rev

A Tier – Power Druid, DH, Condi Rev

B Tier (this one is more variable) – Berserker (some of them say they are crap), Power Reaper, Shout Druid.

Z Tier – Tempest, Chrono.

Power Rev can’t survive under focus of 2 bodies. Just dying from condies very fast…
Summular with condy rev, too weak to dmg.

yeah still pay2win

Kirk.3086:

Fortus.6175:

So far, based on testing and asking PvP guildies it seems we mostly agree on the following;

S tier – Condi Reaper, Daredevil, Power Scrapper, Power Rev

A Tier – Power Druid, DH, Condi Rev

B Tier (this one is more variable) – Berserker (some of them say they are crap), Power Reaper, Shout Druid.

Z Tier – Tempest, Chrono.

Power Rev can’t survive under focus of 2 bodies. Just dying from condies very fast…

The Bunker meta is over if you are being focused 2v1 you should lose on any class.

It’s still early days, but Thief is definitely NOT bottom tier at this point.

I had to do a double-take because I thought the first post was a necro’ed one from before S1

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Kirk.3086:

Fortus.6175:

So far, based on testing and asking PvP guildies it seems we mostly agree on the following;

S tier – Condi Reaper, Daredevil, Power Scrapper, Power Rev

A Tier – Power Druid, DH, Condi Rev

B Tier (this one is more variable) – Berserker (some of them say they are crap), Power Reaper, Shout Druid.

Z Tier – Tempest, Chrono.

Power Rev can’t survive under focus of 2 bodies. Just dying from condies very fast…

The Bunker meta is over if you are being focused 2v1 you should lose on any class.

at pvp no duels, so my survivability should be randomed, except thieves/reapers/enj?
Make tanky/heal/sup enj? that can easy survive under 2 bodies, so why rev can’t do that? Cos withous stunbreaks and condy cleanens he’s a trash…

Kirk.3086:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Kirk.3086:

Fortus.6175:

So far, based on testing and asking PvP guildies it seems we mostly agree on the following;

S tier – Condi Reaper, Daredevil, Power Scrapper, Power Rev

A Tier – Power Druid, DH, Condi Rev

B Tier (this one is more variable) – Berserker (some of them say they are crap), Power Reaper, Shout Druid.

Z Tier – Tempest, Chrono.

Power Rev can’t survive under focus of 2 bodies. Just dying from condies very fast…

The Bunker meta is over if you are being focused 2v1 you should lose on any class.

at pvp no duels, so my survivability should be randomed, except thieves/reapers/enj?
Make tanky/heal/sup enj? that can easy survive under 2 bodies, so why rev can’t so that? Cos withous stunbreaks and condy cleanens he’s a trash…

Power rev isn’t a Tanky spec that’s a dps spec it Should melt under two bodies. Or did you not read he said Power Rev?

Melt for 5 seconds. Reaper/thief/enj can survive much longer. Rev just die from 10 stacks of bleeding/poison.
How rev make dmg, if he dead all time against any clever foe?
Or gold rule “dead can’t dmging” there doesn’t work?

Rofl, well memed

Fortus.6175:

So far, based on testing and asking PvP guildies it seems we mostly agree on the following;

S tier – Condi Reaper, Daredevil, Power Scrapper, Power Rev

A Tier – Power Druid, DH, Condi Rev

B Tier (this one is more variable) – Berserker (some of them say they are crap), Power Reaper, Shout Druid.

Z Tier – Tempest, Chrono.

So you played some hot join testing and think this list is accurate? What it’s accurate for? non competitive zergfest where people just spamm buttons and don’t think. 1v1 or competitive teamplay?

Rolisteel.1375:

Fortus.6175:

So far, based on testing and asking PvP guildies it seems we mostly agree on the following;

S tier – Condi Reaper, Daredevil, Power Scrapper, Power Rev

A Tier – Power Druid, DH, Condi Rev

B Tier (this one is more variable) – Berserker (some of them say they are crap), Power Reaper, Shout Druid.

Z Tier – Tempest, Chrono.

So you played some hot join testing and think this list is accurate? What it’s accurate for? non competitive zergfest where people just spamm buttons and don’t think. 1v1 or competitive teamplay?

I dont play hot join lol. It is accurate for conquest and only for the ranked maps, not for running orb or hammer map. I can see these builds taking over soon, or maybe not, maybe someone will find something more broken and we will have the next stagnant meta for the following 3 months.

I currently play PvP with other experienced people who have 1k+ PvP games (I have 4k+, near 5k), most of them diamond/legendary. We aren’t just your PvE lords or WvW warriors; we actually take PvP seriously, for some of us we are PvP mains.

I haven’t played competitive games after patch. What made condi reaper top 1 after patch? as i dont see any buff to focus fire survivability and mobility. It can’t mitigate the damage as good and cant kite like other classes so they run away and survive with 2-3k hp then come back while necro in the same situation go downstate than waiting for respawn and run back. Every necromancer getting hard focused knows that.

Kirk.3086:

Melt for 5 seconds. Reaper/thief/enj can survive much longer. Rev just die from 10 stacks of bleeding/poison.
How rev make dmg, if he dead all time against any clever foe?
Or gold rule “dead can’t dmging” there doesn’t work?

Bahahaha thieves last more than 5 Seconds? With those conditions thieves melt, thy have no sustain. So I have no idea what your talking about yes thieves can disengage but they rely on bursting classes down not sitting and fighting. Engines and reapers have sustain and can fight, Reapers also virtually hard counter Revenant so there’s that.

top main post updated

2 against 1. Enj can clean condy, reaper too fat. How far you can run away from thief under chilling and crippled? Not so far.
I will write 3 times for you – i don’t talk about 1 by 1, cos there no at pvp. 3 vs 1 or 2 vs 1 – easy, but not 1 by 1, only at low tiers…
Rev can be easy focused and dead first at any fight, cos he has lower survivability. Only herald can save situation with 3 vulnerabilities, but he is still weak to condy or to dmg (power/condy rev)

I swear some people don’t understand the difference between a buy to play game and a pay to win game. Pay to win comes down to you spending money on micro transactions that give your character advantages over other players who don’t spend money on these transactions. In just about every MMO there is always a expansion that comes out and if you usually don’t buy that expansion you’re going to be left behind it’s just the way it is.

Brighteluden.2974:

I swear some people don’t understand the difference between a buy to play game and a pay to win game. Pay to win comes down to you spending money on micro transactions that give your character advantages over other players who don’t spend money on these transactions. In just about every MMO there is always a expansion that comes out and if you usually don’t buy that expansion you’re going to be left behind it’s just the way it is.

If the company’s goal is to succeed in true esports market, the game should never be pay2win.

Kirk.3086:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Kirk.3086:

Melt for 5 seconds. Reaper/thief/enj can survive much longer. Rev just die from 10 stacks of bleeding/poison.
How rev make dmg, if he dead all time against any clever foe?
Or gold rule “dead can’t dmging” there doesn’t work?

Bahahaha thieves last more than 5 Seconds? With those conditions thieves melt, thy have no sustain. So I have no idea what your talking about yes thieves can disengage but they rely on bursting classes down not sitting and fighting. Engines and reapers have sustain and can fight, Reapers also virtually hard counter Revenant so there’s that.

2 against 1. Enj can clean condy, reaper too fat. How far you can away from thief under chilling and crippled? Not so much away.
I will write 3 times for you – i don;t to;d about 1 by 1? cos there no at pvp. 3 vs 1 or 2 vs 1 – easy, but not 1 by 1, only at low tiers…
Rev can be easy focused and die first at any fight, cos he has lower survivability. Only herald save sutiation with 3 unvinerabilities, but he is still to weak to condy or to dmg (power/consy rev)

kirk, man, dont take this wrong, Im sure English isn’t your native language (it is mine either) but could you rewrite that? I’m having a hard time following your point . ~

My List from What I’ve Seen so far…

OP:
Daredevil
Reaper

Good:
Chrono
Revenant/ Herald
Scrapper

Ok:
Druid
Dragonhunter
Tempest

Sub Par:
Base Classes

Trashcan Baby:
Berserker

From a Druid/ Reaper/Revenants player perspective

online.1278:

Brighteluden.2974:

I swear some people don’t understand the difference between a buy to play game and a pay to win game. Pay to win comes down to you spending money on micro transactions that give your character advantages over other players who don’t spend money on these transactions. In just about every MMO there is always a expansion that comes out and if you usually don’t buy that expansion you’re going to be left behind it’s just the way it is.

If the company’s goal is to succeed in true esports market, the game should never be pay2win.

It’s not pay to win. It’s pay to play. If you didn’t pay for the expansion you don’t get to use the new content. Pay to win is when you can spend real money on micro transactions that make your character stronger by giving it a statistical advantage.

Heart of Thorns was LESS of a pay to win strategy than anything WoW ever put out given that if you didn’t have the expansion you couldn’t even COMPETE because of a level difference. Yet I still see this “pay to win” accusation all over the forums where it was never brought up in WoW. I don’t get it.

You’re wrong. Factually and definitively wrong.

Wolfey.3407:

Good:
Chrono
Revenant/ Herald

haha, very funny…

Thoth Divine.8642:

Condi necro is pretty stupid at the moment, so is condi thief. Condi rev as well… looks like still 100% condi meta.

I play as power on my necro (always had) and I didn’t see much change from last patch thus far. Still seems alright.

Well, most of the higher Tier players have already switched to powerspike meta… Since Thief is good again, rezzing getting nerfed and nothing being really bunkery, it’s exactly what I was afraid of.

Be prepared for no fight to mean anything, cuz stealthed thief (+friends) will come and just snipe sth. down and then run away.

I predict the meta to look like this:

1 Daredevil (Marauder)
1 Engi (Marauder/Paladin)
1 Power-Necro (Paladin)
1 Power Rev (Zerker)
1 D/F or D/D Ele (Paladin)

There are a few builds strong against condis: You can easily build a powernecro that hardcounters condi-builds, D/D ele isn’t horrible against condis either, even when running stoneheart and Engi can 1v1 condi-builds as well. The Power-spike will then deal enough dmg faster to make most condi-builds useless (condi-rev probably will still work, cuz it deals the condi-dps so fast).

YAY -.-°

online.1278:

(Daredevil highly depends on player’s personal instinct skill, meaning that this class can be super OP or normal. So I put this class in middle between Super OP and Normal)

Whether a class is overpowered or not cannot be determined by how well the player can play the class. It is either baseline better than a majority of other specs or it isnt. Once you get into “X player makes Z class op” you’ve gone off the rails.

Otherwise I agree mostly. I’d probably swap Revenant for Scrapper but eh, close enough.

Serious Thought.5394:

Have you tried stunburst Berserker? Its way tougher than you give credit for.

I’ve been toying with mace/shield and hammer, taking Discipline, Defence (Rousing Resilience and Berserker (Dead or Alive), in HotM and it’s stun potential is amazing. Your target will die if they don’t have stability or a bunch of stun breaks. Using Paladin’s Amulet and taking many stun breaks, especially Outrage, which times almost perfectly with RR trait. Now I haven’t tried this in an actual competitive environment, so I have no idea how well it’ll do against real players.

Classes that still need to be brought in line: Druid, Dragonhunter

Almost balanced, but still full of silly things that need to be looked at: Herald, Scrapper, Tempests, Berserker, Chrono.

Not too sure right now – dust needs to settle: Daredevil, Reaper

Daredevil and Reaper have possibly the most clear and well designed weaknesses in the game so even with some rather ridiculous buffs, they will still be easily countered by knowledgable players.

From someone who plays Druid, Daredevil, Chrono, spoons, guitar, bacon, narwhal.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Kirk.3086:

Melt for 5 seconds. Reaper/thief/enj can survive much longer. Rev just die from 10 stacks of bleeding/poison.
How rev make dmg, if he dead all time against any clever foe?
Or gold rule “dead can’t dmging” there doesn’t work?

Bahahaha thieves last more than 5 Seconds? With those conditions thieves melt, thy have no sustain. So I have no idea what your talking about yes thieves can disengage but they rely on bursting classes down not sitting and fighting. Engines and reapers have sustain and can fight, Reapers also virtually hard counter Revenant so there’s that.

Where’s this Reaper sustain you’re speaking about?
A common mis-conception people use to make is confusing HP with Sustainability. It doesn’t matter if Necromancers would have 80k hp, they don’t really have a way of healing up the hp they’ve lost.

Rome.7124:

Wolfey.3407:

Good:
Chrono
Revenant/ Herald

haha, very funny…

Care to elaborate on which one if not both and why?

If you mean Chrono getting ganked to hell by Thieves thats a valid point but getting countered hard by 1 class does not make it a useless class.