Guild Wars 2

remove rank requirement for conquest mode in unranked.

it is a great obstacle in converting many of my PvE guild members to become PvP guild members.

guild missions now have PvP missions but there is a rank requirement to participate in unranked.

do consider

1. at least remove the rank requirement if a full guild party queues together.
2. one guild member in the party is at least the require rank

HEDRO.2345:

Wait there is a requirement for unranked?! I get people not wanting brand new players in tourney matches but uhh…. what should they do hotjoin for 2 months to level up?

Also… give standard models in unranked as well.

yeah, i heard there is a rank 10 requirement in order to participate in unranked.

2 days ago, i tried running the weekly medium guild pvp mission, earn a total of 500 personal points within 30 minutes after activating the mission.

unfortunately, one of our members cannot participate as his rank is not high enough.
we went in with just the 4 of us anyway.

lost 2 games but at least we got the mission done.

1st game, temple, lost 500 – 330+
2nd game, forest, lost 500 – 480+

fairly good game.
no blowouts.

Can confirm, tried doing unranked with a rank 9 guildie yesterday, got the “one member of your party is too low of rank” message and it wouldn’t let us. Interestingly though, this only applied to conquest; we were able to queue for stronghold just fine in unranked.

Really hoping this is a bug.

Not long ago, these forums were full of rage as totally new players were joining unranked games and ruining them for everyone. These new players did not know the objective of the match, nor did they know how to dodge attacks properly, nor did they know how to use the map objectives (e.g. treb, lord, etc).

Getting to rank 10 takes minimal effort at best. You can even farm it super quick by going to the rank farming custom arenas.

Since this is a question of “PVE players coming in to PVP for guild missions” you can think about it like this: You need to level up to do PVE guild missions, and you also need to have the map explored in the area that the mission takes place and have a nearby waypoint unlocked. If you don’t have any of those, you can’t do the PVE guild mission. Some guild missions require level 80 in PVE, so I honestly can’t see why you would complain about having to earn a paltry 10 levels in PvP. PvP guilds can’t just go and jump into doing PVE guild missions — they need to go unlock the waypoints, explore the map, and level up. You need to learn the game mode before participating.

• Hot join shouldn’t have any rewards except rank points
• Unranked shouldn’t have any gate
• Ranked should requires at least rank 40

Evan Lesh.3295:

Unranked arena is not blocked by rank. The conquest game mode is. You cannot queue with someone in your party who does not meet the rank requirements.

Is the intention to make stronghold the game mode players are introduced to first? Also, what is the rank requirement? I didn’t see this in the patch notes.

FYI, even if I checked both the stronghold and conquest boxes, it still wouldn’t let me queue with a rank 9 guildie. This could be mighty confusing to a new spvp player.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Unranked arena is not blocked by rank. The conquest game mode is. You cannot queue with someone in your party who does not meet the rank requirements.

How is that even logical? Why would you gateway the old game type but let people play stronghold? Stronghold isn’t gonna teach people how to play Conquest. I don’t get it. Ranked queue is the only thing that should be gated, imo.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Unranked arena is not blocked by rank. The conquest game mode is. You cannot queue with someone in your party who does not meet the rank requirements.

So no guild merits for guildies with less than rank 10… got it. Not gonna Q.Q; this will all be resolved next week when no one chooses the PVP guild missions.

Edit: when my guild doesn’t choose PVP guild missions.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Unranked arena is not blocked by rank. The conquest game mode is. You cannot queue with someone in your party who does not meet the rank requirements.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/sPvP-Locks-New-Players-Out-of-Conquest/first#

Evan Lesh.3295:

Unranked arena is not blocked by rank. The conquest game mode is. You cannot queue with someone in your party who does not meet the rank requirements.

the problem is this:

stronghold is not friendly for beginners, but it’s now the “starter” PvP mode.

stronghold is basically the map for advanced PvPers, is much more complicated than a typical conquest map, and doesn’t teach a beginner anything about conquest mode.

it would be the same as using Triple Trouble as the intro instance for people who just bought the game and log in the first time.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Unranked arena is not blocked by rank. The conquest game mode is. You cannot queue with someone in your party who does not meet the rank requirements.

hi hi evan!
thanks for the reply!

could you guys consider revising it a bit?

1. at least remove the rank requirement if a full guild party queues together.
2. one guild member in the party is at least the require rank

this way, at least they won’t be spoiling the experience for other players. though the opposing team might not be too thrill beating on sand bags though.

updated the title as evan said only conquest mode is locked for rank 9 and below.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Unranked arena is not blocked by rank. The conquest game mode is. You cannot queue with someone in your party who does not meet the rank requirements.

Yes we know that but why? Why is stronghold available at rank 2?

morrolan.9608:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Unranked arena is not blocked by rank. The conquest game mode is. You cannot queue with someone in your party who does not meet the rank requirements.

Yes we know that but why? Why is stronghold available at rank 2?

yeah, why?

stronghold does not teach new players how to play conquest.

custom arenas aka hotjoin teaches new players to auto balance themselves into the winning team and continue to stack themselves into the winning team after that.

hotjoin can be fun if everyone plays properly but nowadays it is not the case.

Sunshine.5014:

• Hot join shouldn’t have any rewards except rank points
• Unranked shouldn’t have any gate
• Ranked should requires at least rank 40

now we know why they do it. They know they had just waste their time to create a fail map where their regular player base hate and they want to target the new player which it will fail anyway. Anet not a very clever move

well to be fair, stronghold could be fun if you queue together with 4 other friends.

This sort of rank requirement should only be on ranked modes. This is not making it any easier to get reticent friends into trying the game to PvP with me.

Guild Wars 2 is free-to-play now.
This can be a filter against banned players.
Now, Botters and hackers can come back with new accounts.

triggerhappy.3871:

Guild Wars 2 is free-to-play now.
This can be a filter against banned players.
Now, Botters and hackers can come back with new accounts.

then remove the restriction for paid accounts

Please, Arenanet, why would it be a good idea to block of Conquest mode in Unranked arena for new players? This makes no sense, it’s unranked arenan not ranked.

We attempted to a few PvP missions with guildies yesterday but could not progress because they didn’t reach rank 10 yet so they all of a sudden could not play Conquest anymore. Forcing them to do the much more complicated Stronghold mode makes no sense.

It doesn’t make sense to have guilds do spvp guild missions which specifically require conquest, then block conquest from all new spvpers.

We had to ask a new guildie to leave our party so we could achieve the goal, when our guild generally has always had a “no man left behind” attitude towards all our guild missions. Guild missions should be time for developing new friendships and strengthening old ones, with anyone who wants to participate being able to do so.

+1 to this.

That and guild missions only giving credit to the team that finishes first isn’t exactly very cooperative.

I see no reason to place such a silly block on non-f2p accounts in unranked.

There had been a lot of dicussion on this issue already..Anet can please acknowledge it

princode.2750:

There had been a lot of dicussion on this issue already..Anet can please acknowledge it

i think we need more sustained burst discussion or else they might not be feeling any damage.

lets keep on firing all we got!

also, thanks everyone for the feedback!

people, we need more feedback regarding this matter!

even with this stupid restriction in place,
already, i have sort of converted a pve member into a pvp member.

he was of rabbit rank, and have been spending time in pvp ever since, and have reached rank 10, graduated from rabbit rank!

imagine if this stupid rank gate is removed for conquest mode in unranked, he could come along with us and progress even faster!

At least bring back the practice button if you want to keep the rank requirement. Not everyone feels comfortable joining a custom arena. New players might not even figure out how to do so since they are hidden away in the third tab.