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just make pets stats based on players stats and everytihng will be balanced, to a hard hitter pet you will find a squishy ranger, so as every other class, for a bunky pet u’ll have a bunky ranger, but not so dangerous with damage, like every other class.

firebreathz.7692:

from a rangers point of view.. have you ever watch a pet try hit any half decent player? the fact pets have to stop every time they want to attack seriously gimps there effectiveness, all you comparing arnt taking into consideration that a hell of alot of the pets attacks miss..

I would love to see official data on hit rate of pets in pvp..

back on topic.. the reason for the nerf to ele with the orb was that being able to go from the top of the stairs all the way to the node.. was well OP

that being said ranger GS leap is boardline op but only if you take a signet of speed to counter act the slow effects otherwise.. i dont see how others are not just as good.. i think warriors could be amazing runners but i dont think it’s clicked for many how many rush type skills they have..

Clearly you’re not a very good ranger if you can’t manage to get your pet to hit the enemy, i’m pretty sure ranger has the most snares/roots in the game, you should have NO issue getting your pet to hit them.

For Example, Axe + Dagger + some condi duration = 100% uptime on snare, 1/3 of the time it’ll be 66% snare instead of 25%, then if you take sig of the Hunt, or have easy access to pet swiftness, or have the 30% movement speed trait that pet isn’t going to have issues.

Then you can use Muddy Terrain, or Entangle, or Concussion shot, or frost trap, KB shot into a wall, etc to hold them still even longer.

I gotta say, rangers are REALLY strong in PvP if you’ve figured out how to manage and support your pet.

Ranger burst is 111111111111111111111111

Hamburgled.3562:

Ranger burst is 111111111111111111111111

No, ranger burst is F2.

faeral.7120:

i will admit that the AI change they made should have been for PvE only, it is way too easy to just sic a pet on a target & target breaks won’t force the player to make another active decision. this one change has dumbed down the spec more than any other since the pet will maintain its target regardless of player’s line of sight.

Exactly what AI change are you talking about here?

Yepyep.4951:

I think op want to show us something : There is something wrong with rangers atm .

And thats not only on spirit watch , on every map rangers are a real problem , they are way too powerfull and doesnt requires any real skills to be effective.
THe trap rangers are even a joke , since they gave the perma haste to the auto attack bow some month ago.
so know im asking a question to all the esport boys : How to get a real esport with such imbalances ??

oh wait , esport is for games that requires REAL skills to play , like Wc3 was , like Sc2 or lol is.But not with the current balance update we have , that only take in count crying noobs that cant play a class properly , so they just make 20 thread a day to nerf/upgrade smthing useless , and the worst part is : they get the changes to make them happy and keep playing the game.

What is your sPvP rank?

Luthan.5236:

Rangers have everything. They can have a lot of survivability and do good damage and slow down enemies with their bows(long range and cripple conditions) and pets(conditions an fear or cripple depending on the pet you choose).

And the pets always have a lot of health even if they use dps pets and not a bear. Problem is the pet is very strong like there were 2 people with teamspeak fighting you together instead of 1 ranger + pet.

What is your sPvP rank?

MoGoW.1875:

ALL have a counter build, and the ranger?
Ranger is a Tank who can kill all no ranger in 1V1 (or maybe engi)

Ranger :
-Dodge with weapons 80% of the time
-Protection on dodge (endurance)
-Perma regen
-Terminator pet : TANK + DPS
-Best condition remove
-Big aoe burst on torch

Ranger >ALL.

What is your sPvP rank?

Dirame.8521:

I think the one nerf anet needs to give Rangers is in the condition removal department. Just like they did Eles cos their condi removal is RIDICULOUS!

If all you guys do is nerf healing spring, that’ll still be great.

Smh….when it comes to condition removal…Ranger is one of the worst classes.

I see this thread as L2Play issue.

Eles were a L2 kitten ue as well, yet they got a huge nerf bat in the face.

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Yepyep.4951:

I think op want to show us something : There is something wrong with rangers atm .

And thats not only on spirit watch , on every map rangers are a real problem , they are way too powerfull and doesnt requires any real skills to be effective.
THe trap rangers are even a joke , since they gave the perma haste to the auto attack bow some month ago.
so know im asking a question to all the esport boys : How to get a real esport with such imbalances ??

oh wait , esport is for games that requires REAL skills to play , like Wc3 was , like Sc2 or lol is.But not with the current balance update we have , that only take in count crying noobs that cant play a class properly , so they just make 20 thread a day to nerf/upgrade smthing useless , and the worst part is : they get the changes to make them happy and keep playing the game.

What is your sPvP rank?

Luthan.5236:

Rangers have everything. They can have a lot of survivability and do good damage and slow down enemies with their bows(long range and cripple conditions) and pets(conditions an fear or cripple depending on the pet you choose).

And the pets always have a lot of health even if they use dps pets and not a bear. Problem is the pet is very strong like there were 2 people with teamspeak fighting you together instead of 1 ranger + pet.

What is your sPvP rank?

MoGoW.1875:

ALL have a counter build, and the ranger?
Ranger is a Tank who can kill all no ranger in 1V1 (or maybe engi)

Ranger :
-Dodge with weapons 80% of the time
-Protection on dodge (endurance)
-Perma regen
-Terminator pet : TANK + DPS
-Best condition remove
-Big aoe burst on torch

Ranger >ALL.

What is your sPvP rank?

Dirame.8521:

I think the one nerf anet needs to give Rangers is in the condition removal department. Just like they did Eles cos their condi removal is RIDICULOUS!

If all you guys do is nerf healing spring, that’ll still be great.

Smh….when it comes to condition removal…Ranger is one of the worst classes.

I see this thread as L2 kitten ue.

While some arguments are indeed a L2 kitten ue, most aren’t. You might want to state your rank before asking for one…

It’s actually too easy to outrun a ranger with a guard, as you can chain 5 blocks in a row + blind. So i wouldn’t say ranger is a strong orb-runner. It’s more like, you can send the pet to the orb while defending your close point.

60% of the time, I kill rangers all the time!

Seriously though, they don’t seem all that op to me as a runner. Yeah they’re fast but if i’m close I can usually catch up. I’ve had some pretty good success st at running with my warrior. Stability, sword leap bull rush. I don’t see people comparing about that.

Swim.6830:

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Yepyep.4951:

I think op want to show us something : There is something wrong with rangers atm .

And thats not only on spirit watch , on every map rangers are a real problem , they are way too powerfull and doesnt requires any real skills to be effective.
THe trap rangers are even a joke , since they gave the perma haste to the auto attack bow some month ago.
so know im asking a question to all the esport boys : How to get a real esport with such imbalances ??

oh wait , esport is for games that requires REAL skills to play , like Wc3 was , like Sc2 or lol is.But not with the current balance update we have , that only take in count crying noobs that cant play a class properly , so they just make 20 thread a day to nerf/upgrade smthing useless , and the worst part is : they get the changes to make them happy and keep playing the game.

What is your sPvP rank?

Luthan.5236:

Rangers have everything. They can have a lot of survivability and do good damage and slow down enemies with their bows(long range and cripple conditions) and pets(conditions an fear or cripple depending on the pet you choose).

And the pets always have a lot of health even if they use dps pets and not a bear. Problem is the pet is very strong like there were 2 people with teamspeak fighting you together instead of 1 ranger + pet.

What is your sPvP rank?

MoGoW.1875:

ALL have a counter build, and the ranger?
Ranger is a Tank who can kill all no ranger in 1V1 (or maybe engi)

Ranger :
-Dodge with weapons 80% of the time
-Protection on dodge (endurance)
-Perma regen
-Terminator pet : TANK + DPS
-Best condition remove
-Big aoe burst on torch

Ranger >ALL.

What is your sPvP rank?

Dirame.8521:

I think the one nerf anet needs to give Rangers is in the condition removal department. Just like they did Eles cos their condi removal is RIDICULOUS!

If all you guys do is nerf healing spring, that’ll still be great.

Smh….when it comes to condition removal…Ranger is one of the worst classes.

I see this thread as L2 kitten ue.

While some arguments are indeed a L2 kitten ue, most aren’t. You might want to state your rank before asking for one…

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As if rank has a single thing to do with skill level. I know some r40+ Hot Join Heroes that I’d love to see you take on your team against me.

The fact that you think your r31 ee pea en is a big one is cute.

Anyhow, BM rangers aren’t wildly over powered, but IMO they should be adjusted, especially because of the imbalances that they create on Spirit Watch. They aren’t that bad on other maps.

Simple fixes that would be ok, and I think rangers would even like:

Leash the pets at a reasonable distance (1200-ish).

Take some of the pet damage away and put it on the ranger weapons.

Make BM points function differently. The investment/return is not consistent with other stat lines at present. If it was just Vitality/Power for instance it wouldn’t be as bad as 1 pt increases all stats. You have to buff ranger in other respects to do this, but it is the right move.

Fix ranger down state to make it not an auto win for every down v down, and make it so down state in water isn’t invincibility.

Durzlla.6295:

Clearly you’re not a very good ranger if you can’t manage to get your pet to hit the enemy, i’m pretty sure ranger has the most snares/roots in the game, you should have NO issue getting your pet to hit them.

Please don’t.
No beastmaster runs axe and dagger.
Few if any competitive beastmasters run axe or dagger.

Landing pet hits is spastic in the best of times, only done consistently in a generally immobile on point fight or, if using a bird, against non-stealth crazed thieves or good mesmers or gnade happy engi’s or in the shortrun, eles.

The main perk to the beastmaster setup is their survivability and pet F2 skills.
Both are good, don’t get me wrong. Just pet pokes… at least against decent players… don’t tend to amount to much.

I’m just glad that fotm players have moved to another profession…the Ranger, may God have mercy on the Ranger Community in its entirety, hoping the nerf hammer won’t hit you guys too hard, I can see that even the legendary QQers have switched their focus from ele to ranger…in this as well I don’t envy you at all

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As if rank has a single thing to do with skill level. I know some r40+ Hot Join Heroes that I’d love to see you take on your team against me.

Rank has everything to do with skill level.

And rank has everything to do with QQ’ers. When I see people complain about BM Rangers and Orb runners. Chances are they are rank 20 < and haven’t perfected their own build to counter those pesky BM Rangers.

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As if rank has a single thing to do with skill level. I know some r40+ Hot Join Heroes that I’d love to see you take on your team against me.

Rank has everything to do with skill level.

And rank has everything to do with QQ’ers. When I see people complain about BM Rangers and Orb runners. Chances are they are rank 20 < and haven’t perfected their own build to counter those pesky BM Rangers.

Meanwhile BM ranger: hmm, I’ll perfect my build to counter X build!
Nope, LOL.
F1 F2 dodge dodge evade dodge

im rank 44 and i QQ about ranger !

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As if rank has a single thing to do with skill level. I know some r40+ Hot Join Heroes that I’d love to see you take on your team against me.

Rank has everything to do with skill level.

And rank has everything to do with QQ’ers. When I see people complain about BM Rangers and Orb runners. Chances are they are rank 20 < and haven’t perfected their own build to counter those pesky BM Rangers.

Meanwhile BM ranger: hmm, I’ll perfect my build to counter X build!
Nope, LOL.
F1 F2 dodge dodge evade dodge

I also like how that argument didn’t work for the Eles, instead LOLOL nerf!

BM rangers are a bit of an issue. However, they are horrible in team fights so I do not really see a great reason for a nerf of any sort. Granted, condi BM’s are OP because they can actually spam evades on point while their target gets melted by bonfire, the cripple on sword auto attack that you can’t run from, and the invis jaguar. However, power BM’s are a different story if the ranger has soldier amu the fight is not against the ranger but against the pet because the ranger won’t do kitten. If pet’s get nerfed then the ranger is nerfed completely.

I run a BM spec but I have to keep A TON of control on my pet and I play to get my pet to land those hard hits. With GS/LB it is not an easy spec to play by any means but it is very powerful.

But the main point I’m trying to make is why all the QQ about ranger BM when there are builds out there that can beat it (like phantasm mesmer is a candidate) and certain necro builds. I know the guild Strange World doesn’t seem to have any problems fighting BMs. It is a good 1 v 1 spec but besides spirit watch this is a team game.

thieves are also really good at moving the orb with heartseeker spam. Any mobility skill should have a reduction while carrying the orb.

DrLane.5248:

Hello ,
I play elementalist , and i know that we have been nerfed a lot , specially on spirit watch where ele was way too powerfull.

So yesterday night i decided to play some SoloQ tn and matched a premade with a Ranger orb runner.Ofc the match wasnt fair but thats not the purpose of it , i just noticed that 1 ranger with the orb is running faster than iam to the point , even while i dont own any orb or getting any root/snare .

So in 1 hand we have 1 ele that is supposed to have a decent mobility , then 1 ranger who is supposed to be slowed while running the orb but in fact he just run faster than anyone else

I think most ppl here knows that ranger is a broken class atm , i just hope that they will get what they deserve..

SO ITS TIME TO GO CRY ABOUT RANGERS EVERYDAY ON FORUMS , AS THEY DID WITH THIEF OR ELE !

The ranger was probably running signet of the hunt (which for some reason is allowed when swiftness is not). It pretty much reverts all the nerfs for running orb, then all the leaps etc are back up to normal distance. Other classes have access to this as well but no one takes it other than ranger to be an orb carrier. I think that the carry speed is too high, but it is not due to weapon abilities (that already take the debuff into account) the signet passive is the problem.

Eurantien.4632:

BM rangers are a bit of an issue. However, they are horrible in team fights so I do not really see a great reason for a nerf of any sort. Granted, condi BM’s are OP because they can actually spam evades on point while their target gets melted by bonfire, the cripple on sword auto attack that you can’t run from, and the invis jaguar. However, power BM’s are a different story if the ranger has soldier amu the fight is not against the ranger but against the pet because the ranger won’t do kitten. If pet’s get nerfed then the ranger is nerfed completely.

I run a BM spec but I have to keep A TON of control on my pet and I play to get my pet to land those hard hits. With GS/LB it is not an easy spec to play by any means but it is very powerful.

But the main point I’m trying to make is why all the QQ about ranger BM when there are builds out there that can beat it (like phantasm mesmer is a candidate) and certain necro builds. I know the guild Strange World doesn’t seem to have any problems fighting BMs. It is a good 1 v 1 spec but besides spirit watch this is a team game.

Pets are an issue, because it is the main problem. If you do not change pets in some way when most people believe that BM Rangers are overpowered you will have issues. If you take the evasion, then the trap ranger (which has pretty much disappeared except for me) will die completely.

The problem is in the way pets are handled, they should more closely mirror the stats of their masters in order to make balancing easier. Of course it will be “pretty bad” getting the initial balance correct, but it will change BM TANK to be a similar tank to other classes and will not punish all other specs because a ranger tank can do large spike damage (leading either to a survivability nerf, or nerfing all pets to make it a very poor class to play). I think a defined role will help rangers in the long run, perhaps we may even see a power ranger with BM because of how crazy a Jaguar/Bird could be, who knows. But then again if you go this route you almost have to change the bonus’ in the BM line.

This should be fixed then. I know Ele have some traits and I think Thief has a skill/signet which give permanently +25% movement speed. If this works with orb they should fix it.

RTL and stuff like “super speed” from a engineer toolkit skill should be allowed since it has CD but not such passive permanent speed boost.

People find bunker build Rangers hard? I eat bunkers for breakfast. Then again…I’m a trap ranger, we’re the natural predator for anybody who runs bunker. Also, despite what you people think, our pets are useless UNLESS you’re running BM build.

Sad thing is birds do a lot of damage but just do all their damage in one hit and its too hard to see to animation to dodge. This should be changed as well as pets. Just make the animation obvious first to see if that helps.

It’s pretty obvious to see. The pet flaps up and starts going in somewhat of a circle before hitting.

Not to mention that pets are easily kited. People just die because they want to stay inside a point and eat pet damage.

Pets are pretty ridiculous on classes with no in-combat mobility however like necromancer or warrior. As a necromancer you can’t outrun them most of the time.

OGDeadHead.8326:

Exactly what AI change are you talking about here?

i am speaking of pets automatically regaining their targets after a target drop, so they are effectively set-&-forget for ranged harass. this made the leash range a ridiculous situation, as a pet can perma-track a thief or mesmer with no effort at all, shadow refuge can’t shake them off teammates, etc. prior to this change you would need a teammate to set a target for you if they are out of your LOS to put your pet back on them.

i think they can hit the leash range by 1000, so we can’t actually have presence on 2 nodes at the same time while still being able to harass a runner.

also, the raven f2 does not telegraph at all. the big swooping animation is “Swoop” which can also hit hard, but the f2 is more like a quick lunging peck.

BM is a relatively selfish bunker, because they kind of have their own group synergy happening without any other teammates. as a result their team support is very low ( water field & sig of renewal are the biggest contributors outside of single target dmg ). they benefit the team the most when applying pressure away from the teamfight. the best counter to BM is to bring the teamfight to them ( so long as the team isn’t brainlessly funnelling dps into evades—stagger your attacks so one acts as evade bait while the other lands at the end of the evade—ideally cc ).

faeral.7120:

OGDeadHead.8326:

Exactly what AI change are you talking about here?

i am speaking of pets automatically regaining their targets after a target drop, so they are effectively set-&-forget for ranged harass. this made the leash range a ridiculous situation, as a pet can perma-track a thief or mesmer with no effort at all, shadow refuge can’t shake them off teammates, etc. prior to this change you would need a teammate to set a target for you if they are out of your LOS to put your pet back on them.

i think they can hit the leash range by 1000, so we can’t actually have presence on 2 nodes at the same time while still being able to harass a runner.

also, the raven f2 does not telegraph at all. the big swooping animation is “Swoop” which can also hit hard, but the f2 is more like a quick lunging peck.

BM is a relatively selfish bunker, because they kind of have their own group synergy happening without any other teammates. as a result their team support is very low ( water field & sig of renewal are the biggest contributors outside of single target dmg ). they benefit the team the most when applying pressure away from the teamfight. the best counter to BM is to bring the teamfight to them ( so long as the team isn’t brainlessly funnelling dps into evades—stagger your attacks so one acts as evade bait while the other lands at the end of the evade—ideally cc ).

Pretty much this, but keep in mind some teams are designed to NEVER do team fights which can leave your attempts to force them at a disadvantage

hharry.1967:

We all agree rangers are op (except rangers ofc), the same story starts all over again just like eles, bring the nerf bat.
Which class will come after rangers are nerfed? I bet for mesmers but im not quite sure yet :P

Mesmers have gotten hit plenty hard. We even suffered in this last patch with the blinding befuddlement nerf (yes nerf). ANet has lots of fixing to do before they screw us over again. Plus you’re the guy that just flat hates mesmers… No wonder you think their next

I find fun that if they released a “most ranged professions wins” warrior/engineers would be asked for nerfs

Or whatabout the most hairy profession wins? nerf Norns….

Or maybe spirit watch and capture points game modes are the issue and not professions?

Well as a PvP hater i just had to post this since too much time :| back to boards where i belong now…

Byron, I believe it’s the capture points game mode that’s causing a lot of this rage. If the games were based entirely on just killing each other in a Slayer type deathmatch, you wouldn’t be seeing as much complaints…possibly. Actually, you might see more since you’d see more GC builds going around.

faeral.7120:

OGDeadHead.8326:

Exactly what AI change are you talking about here?

i am speaking of pets automatically regaining their targets after a target drop, so they are effectively set-&-forget for ranged harass. this made the leash range a ridiculous situation, as a pet can perma-track a thief or mesmer with no effort at all, shadow refuge can’t shake them off teammates, etc. prior to this change you would need a teammate to set a target for you if they are out of your LOS to put your pet back on them.

And thank god for that change. Before, especially vs cnd thieves, you could be glad if your pet did anything at all when the thief got out of stealth, before (s)he got back into stealth again.

Mostly it would be like when the thief got out of stealth, we would have to fight them without our class mechanic, because pets were way too slow to react, while it apparently was absolutely ok for the thief to spam their class mechanic, non stop. We were at a huge disadvantage, our pets were only good as cnd targets.

Almost the same issues with mesmers, but not to the same extent. The fact that our pets had so slow reaction time would make them next to useless in these fights.

So the change that made pets automatically reacquire their targets was a much, needed one, no doubt about that.

I dont think pets regaining their target is really a good thing in PvP. They should make it so they have to send it to attack again, when the ranger loses the target due to stealth, JUST like all other classes have to. It may be bugged before but add a decent reaction time to pets and this will add some more complexity to rangers rather than spam 1 and F2 while AI does all the job for you.

However, if you insist in keeping this change, make it so tagging a player (marking it or w/e, the red circle) doesnt dissapear on target stealth, make it so that the circle is hidden while they are in stealth but appears after they come out. This is the same for rangers pet keeping their targets at the moment, funny isnt it?
YOU DECIDE!

DrLane.5248:

im rank 44 and i QQ about ranger !

And THAT is the ultimate proof that rank doesn’t matter at all!

Eh, the actual player still have to reacquire the target again after stealth, JUST like all other classes have to.

Difference now is that pets can be useful in between the stealth spam, and not like before when they just stood there pondering over the situation, wondering if they should, you know, attack, when the thief got out of stealth.

Also remember, our pets can’t swing around in the open air attacking a cloaked thief, which means we miss out a large portion of our potential damage against a cloaked target.

So yeah, having my pet keep attacking the target I’ve told it to attack is pretty kitten balanced, all things considered. If anything, they still need more work, since they miss A LOT of their attacks against competent players.

Yepyep.4951:

I think op want to show us something : There is something wrong with rangers atm .

And thats not only on spirit watch , on every map rangers are a real problem , they are way too powerfull and doesnt requires any real skills to be effective.
THe trap rangers are even a joke , since they gave the perma haste to the auto attack bow some month ago.
so know im asking a question to all the esport boys : How to get a real esport with such imbalances ??

Quote, ranger is the new d/d, fix it please.

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As if rank has a single thing to do with skill level. I know some r40+ Hot Join Heroes that I’d love to see you take on your team against me.

Rank has everything to do with skill level.

And rank has everything to do with QQ’ers. When I see people complain about BM Rangers and Orb runners. Chances are they are rank 20 < and haven’t perfected their own build to counter those pesky BM Rangers.

Meanwhile BM ranger: hmm, I’ll perfect my build to counter X build!
Nope, LOL.
F1 F2 dodge dodge evade dodge

Hhahaahhahahaahh THIS so much. As eles were before. You fixed eles, now to fix rangers.

AlexRD.7914:

DrLane.5248:

im rank 44 and i QQ about ranger !

And THAT is the ultimate proof that rank doesn’t matter at all!

Tbh i really think rangers need a fix asap , and im not the only one saying this, most ppl i know/play with/against would say the same.

but i understand that some rangers already feel nostalgic of “good days” and come here to QQ before they get a nerf , but it will come no worries.

DrLane.5248:

AlexRD.7914:

DrLane.5248:

im rank 44 and i QQ about ranger !

And THAT is the ultimate proof that rank doesn’t matter at all!

Tbh i really think rangers need a fix asap , and im not the only one saying this, most ppl i know/play with/against would say the same.

but i understand that some rangers already feel nostalgic of “good days” and come here to QQ before they get a nerf , but it will come no worries.

My best advice for you is to play a ranger for one day, using the specs you so hate. You’ll see how we’re not OP.

Edit: Oh and btw, the majority is usually wrong.

AlexRD.7914:

DrLane.5248:

AlexRD.7914:

DrLane.5248:

im rank 44 and i QQ about ranger !

And THAT is the ultimate proof that rank doesn’t matter at all!

Tbh i really think rangers need a fix asap , and im not the only one saying this, most ppl i know/play with/against would say the same.

but i understand that some rangers already feel nostalgic of “good days” and come here to QQ before they get a nerf , but it will come no worries.

My best advice for you is to play a ranger for one day, using the specs you so hate. You’ll see how we’re not OP.

Edit: Oh and btw, the majority is usually wrong.

Idk man, we kinda kitten on people in 1v1s, i mean just earlier today in my fancy pancy rares and greens i was able to kill a fully decked out thief with the BM bunker build… in tPvP on even footing, oh it’s disgusting, i’m a tank and my pet is a pocket thief, it’s very powerful….

But then again… we suck in Team Fights, so there’s that major flaw…