Guild Wars 2

I never really liked the idea of being boxed into being a +1 or decapper, and I love playing thief.
If any other class decided to bunker or roam, I was countered or slowed down. With some condi, I can fight on the same level as a condi-anything else….still not winning them all, of course.

Also, I hope the new especs can chase away that “oh god two thieves” mentality.

I am not saying the bias does not exist for other classes, but for me it is so unnoticeable that I assumed it doesn’t exist.

People really don’t understand the huge amount of downsides that comes with condi thief and thinks that its a face roll build

Sure maybe against a lesser experienced team, but a team that has time under their belts are gonna make our lives hell

Condi thief is strong just like burn guard, but calling it op or broken is asinine

I think the reason why people dislike condi thief is the low effort you have in order to do a full condi burst, steal into → lotus → sb#4 and since theres generally very few classes with that much amount of condi cleanse and especially properly condi cleansing they die.

I don’t personally mind condi thief but this is most likely the reason

bluri.2653:

I think the reason why people dislike condi thief is the low effort you have in order to do a full condi burst, steal into -> lotus -> sb#4 and since theres generally very few classes with that much amount of condi cleanse and especially properly condi cleansing they die.

I don’t personally mind condi thief but this is most likely the reason

Swapping to SB4 comes with its own downsides. You are stuck in it for 10 seconds now and the enemy player just need move out of your CG field. If they do not move out of the field its on them.

Once in SB there no whirls in the weapon set and SB AA does not have condition so Ini has to be burned for further apps.

It got nerfed today and bad, so all the whining should stop

Lord Velar.1509:

It got nerfed today and bad, so all the whining should stop

Please enlighten me, how did it get nerfed today? Fixing a server crash was bad for it or what?

Player who is playing condi thief can’t call himself thief…he’s just a newbie with overpowered build which requires no effort. I honestly felt embarrassed when I was ttrying it out. Problem is that Anet allows duo queue only, that means you may have players in tour team who have no idea how to counter those newbies. Also, that many new players after luck in first 10 games are located in gold+ tiers…which is ridiculous.

Anet balance is more like unbalance. They have no idea how to make more difficult builds more rewarding than 1 button newbie spawn. Also ro the author of the thread, thief has a job in pvp, and it’s not 1 vs 1 kills. When I see newbie condi kitten in my team who has no idea what he HAS to do, well, I just afk

i play thief since 2012 and yes i say too that condi thief is complete out of place overpowered. In WvWvW it is just stupid. There are plenty of them which are bad but in the hands of some dedicated players it is OP as hell. I do also not understand how the DEVS didn’t touched this crap.

“Cleanse”

I play in plat when the season ends, how does no one know what a cleanse is by now

Lord Velar.1509:

“Cleanse”

I play in plat when the season ends, how does no one know what a cleanse is by now

“cleanse”

Because everyone has an unlimited amount of CLEANSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A good thief would not instant burst ALL their condi in one go.

zoopop.5630:

Lord Velar.1509:

“Cleanse”

I play in plat when the season ends, how does no one know what a cleanse is by now

“cleanse”

Because everyone has an unlimited amount of CLEANSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A good thief would not instant burst ALL their condi in one go.

That’s my point, as a thief whether I’m condi or power its well known that I’m not gonna blow all my cd’s at first contact

So since this is globally known then that means everyone knows that

Since everyone knows that, why not tank the pressure and counter pressure? That puts the thief in a bad position and we’re usually forced to either burst or back off

Since aa good thief is going to pay attention to every little thing you do, we’re gonna know that you have blown your cd’s and cleanses yet and if we blew ours we’d be wasting it

This opens the floor for other classes to make us waste our evades

Thieves run off of initiative which prevents us from weapon spamming, the really good skills that are good counters to other classes weapon abilities cost a lot of initiative to use, our weapon ability 5 always cost 6 which is just about half or more of our initiative.

Time it right and cycle through your weapon skills and you’ll force the thief to back off for the moment

The fact that I was literally able to sit here and explain this (I can go even further in detail with it) is really just sad because to me, if you know we’re not gonna blow our cd’s immediately, then why tf would you not plan around it? If you know how thief functions its not hard to counter

That’s with any class really

Let’s be honest, it’s because people are lazy.
Who wants to pay attention to one of the most mobile classes in the game.

Its like in a game like Overwatch where you don’t pay attention to the assassin/flanker.
You don’t pay attention, yo Mercy or squishy damage dealer is gonna die.

Same logic applies here.
If you don’t pay attention to the one whose intent is to cleave your ‘backline’, then you are going to melt.
You can literally apply that kind of logic, even if GW2 PVP is ring around the rosey.

But people are always like: “B-But evades..!”
Yea, okay, pay attention to them and act like a ‘team’.
You all are thinking like solo’ers

It needs to have its thief 1v1 calmed down IMO.

Add weakness procs to shadow shot or heartseeker and some staff skills to make condi thief more sane…

We laughed when Kaaarl first said “condi mesmer”.

Now even teef is condi.

duster.7013:

It needs to have its thief 1v1 calmed down IMO.

Add weakness procs to shadow shot or heartseeker and some staff skills to make condi thief more sane…

I disagree entirely, the last thing anyone should want is hybrid thieves running around melting ppl with condi and 2 shotting them

We’re already under a witch hunt, no need to add fuels to the flames

i dont have problem with condi thieves. even if they can kill me 1v1
i have problem i see condi thief, condi mesmer, condi warrio and necro in a team .

that is too many condition to handle in soloQ

With my build I can take on thieves in 1v1, some elementalists, but I can’t do other 1v1s. I mainly just hangout with my allies and help them kill people. And with my rune of infiltration they have no clue what happened to me and I get away, regenerate my hit points, and go back into the fight.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQJASUjMdQZH22BedApIGUCKM0HhPQnij/JusIA+dA-TJBHABG8EAA4SAkcZgT2fAA

I think condi thief is ridiculous. I am just glad that d/p thief is broken enough as well, so there is some variety.

You know why they left condi thief alone?

Cos of this https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Revenge_Counter on 8 sec cd and plenty of condi dmg reducing trats and skills added in expansion.
Hahah.

bluri.2653:

I think the reason why people dislike condi thief is the low effort you have in order to do a full condi burst, steal into -> lotus -> sb#4 and since theres generally very few classes with that much amount of condi cleanse and especially properly condi cleansing they die.

I don’t personally mind condi thief but this is most likely the reason

That almost sounds as hard as steal/shadowshot in (esp from stealth), into auto attack spam, with some headshots thrown in.