Guild Wars 2

I’m seeing shield/pistol condi engis ( using elixir gun kit ) with ridiculous heal and damage mitigation. They frequently end the fight with full health. Conditions are converted almost constantly.

That’s just totally unfair. The conditions converting to boons is happening so fast that condis are actually helping rather than hurting the engi.

It’s time for Engineers to have normal power levels.

“I’m coming to kill you, effing engie.”

And you play a Mesmer (if I recall, a condition Mesmer)… I don’t even know what to say right now.

phokus.8934:

“I’m coming to kill you, effing engie.”

And you play a Mesmer (if I recall, a condition Mesmer)… I don’t even know what to say right now.

Who knew pvp players are hypocrites?

The build I believe he is refering to can actually be pretty decent at killing mesmers. I think I might even know which engineer he is refering to if hes gettin his butt kicked on a duel server.

That engineer is probably using mortar kit with lyssa runes.

Ithilwen.1529:

I’m seeing shield/pistol condi engis ( using elixir gun kit ) with ridiculous heal and damage mitigation. They frequently end the fight with full health. Conditions are converted almost constantly.

That’s just totally unfair. The conditions converting to boons is happening so fast that condis are actually helping rather than hurting the engi.

It’s time for Engineers to have normal power levels.

Then spike him with direct damage and just kill him? Not seeing the problem here.

Actually I was playing power shatter and that’s beside the point. Again, despite your sophistry;

Engineer condition conversion is happening way too fast. Engineers are are able to convert conditions so fast that it actually benefits them to be hit with conditions.

In addition they heal too fast and are finishing fights with full health on a consistent basis.

Finally, I did kill that engi

Ithilwen.1529:

Engineer condition conversion is happening way too fast. Engineers are are able to convert conditions so fast that it actually benefits them to be hit with conditions.

That trait that enables Elixir Gun to convert conditions into boons, that’s pretty much all for allies and very little for the Engineer.

It mostly works with Fumigate (5 condi removal in cone, none to Engineer). Super Elixir will convert a condition into a boon for the Engineer.

If this extremely bad trait, compared to alternatives for personal survival is really a source of grief for you, I dunno what to say m8

Then I suspect some bug. I’m seeing engineers maintaining large boon stacks and coming through fights almost undamaged on a fairly consistent basis.

It is simply not appropriate to build a class that benefits from conditions to that extent.

and why it is not appropriate ?

if you do not give the engineer conditions in the first place, there will not be any conditions to convert into boons.

further more, boons can be very easily removed.

there is counter play.

this is working as intended.

@Diemos

So, essentially you advise that any build focused on conditions should counterplay by not attacking Engineers.

What you are saying simply does not make sense. I suggest you think it through some more.

“Mesmer is fine, but I almost lost to an engi once. Please do something about this!”

Ithilwen.1529:

Actually I was playing power shatter and that’s beside the point. Again, despite your sophistry;

Engineer condition conversion is happening way too fast. Engineers are are able to convert conditions so fast that it actually benefits them to be hit with conditions.

In addition they heal too fast and are finishing fights with full health on a consistent basis.

Finally, I did kill that engi

Sophistry is the use of a fallacious and misleading argument, not stating an obvious solution. If the opponent is strong against conditions use direct damage or boon strip st,.. Simple.

You admit yourself you won the fight against a build that is strong against yours. There is literally no problem here.

Any engineer that goes into Alchemy is losing at a minimum Explosives Firearms or Tools, the loss of any of which limits their potential damage output in some meaningful way. If you give up offense you should get defense. Obviously we could explore many nuances of this basic statement but the salient point is just because something is frustrating for one person doesn’t mean it’s not well constructed.

Also this has nothing in common with the turret engineer. That was a completely different problem.

Is this a troll thread?

If you honestly complain about this, it just proves that the meta hasn’t settled, and people continue to innovate.

Stagnant players will still complain though, then copy the innovative ones.

A build came close (but didn’t) to beating the currently OP mesmer, therefore it must also be OP and needs to be nerfed!

I think it’s a troll thread.
….
No wait I’m sure it’s a troll thread!

How is this related to turret though?

Sagat.3285:

How is this related to turret though?

I wonder, seeing as turrets have apparently been wrecked by the recent patches, I haven’t seen a single turreteer since then, and the opening post instead mentions the Elixir gun and condition to boon conversion meaning Elixir C (and possibly Lyssa runes), so the engineer in question couldn’t be a turreteer anyways.

You sure he wasn’t running elixir B?

PlatinumMember.5274:

phokus.8934:

“I’m coming to kill you, effing engie.”

And you play a Mesmer (if I recall, a condition Mesmer)… I don’t even know what to say right now.

Who knew pvp players are hypocrites?

• hy•poc•ri•sy
  The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

I’m confused, exactly how is he a hypocrite?

She will respond to that;

The claim that I’m a hypocrite is based on an implied claim that Mesmer is too powerful.
If that premise is accepted, then I am being accused of hypocrisy for playing a too powerful class and complaining about another class as too powerful.

I take issue with that on two counts;

Mesmer isn’t too powerful. It’s finally competitive which has upset the pecking order.

Second; I did not call Engineer OP. I said that Engineer heal and boon conversion is too strong.

I did, after all, defeat that Engineer on our second encounter albeit with difficulty.

Some specs just have it easier vs other specs. That’s just how it is. Should burn guard cry about necro returning conditions? Should ranger cry about being unable kite thief/war? Should zerkers cry about all of a guard’s blocks? Also, you’re a power shatter. You shouldn’t be dealing any conditions worth anything to begin with and even then, you should be able to quickly finish him if you’ve dealt all of your respective vuln stacks.

I find it ridiculous how you find any ground with which you could stand on to base your complaints upon, considering the fact that you’re a mesmer.

@SlayerSixx

Now that is hypocrisy. You just lectured me about some specs being strong. Then you turned around and criticized me claiming I play a too strong spec.

On the one hand you tell me some specs are strong and to live with it, yet you seem unable to follow your own advice in the case of Mesmers.

Is it simply that you got surprised by a Mesmer and are salty about it? I suggest you consider your responses better.

Except you can’t name any viable 1v1 response to mesmer, can you? Its the same issue with D/D cele, except you can’t face tank 2-3 people. The specs I listed were strong. Mesmer is beyond that. You may not want to admit it because you feel that it would detract from what little accomplishment you feel you’ve derived from the game. With my particular spec, I don’t have much issues facing mesmer in terms of spec strength vs spec strength, but I still find it rather saddening that you’d be willing to defend this cheese. I mean, its so easy that I literally rolled a mes, jumped into PvP and racked up 10 kills and 3 deaths using the meta mes build. The only other spec that I ever found such ease with was pre patch ranger. You could call my targets bad, but they can’t have been anymore clueless than a dude with less than an hour on his toon.

Just FYI, I’ve been running a marauder engi recently.

I don’t get it, the engineer who traited this was using lyssa runes, elixir c, alchemy and inventions. It’s basically trying to get diamond skin for engineers. I mean, if you have issues with this then obviously you have an issue with elementalists. Using Elixir Gun means he’s more condition oriented since it’s a condition spec. I used a bunker version of this build in PvP last night and it is very nice. If you trait for iron blooded, you are basically getting a 10% damage reduction every time you proc your condi cleanse.

In fact, this build is at least better than diamond skin since it requires using skills as opposed to a passive trait. So the issue you needed to know is that about every 20 seconds he’s going to cleanse, you need to interrupt him. If he switched to mortar, he cleansed so that’s about 45 seconds CD. The Elixir C is another 40 seconds. So the key is to time your interrupts to about every 20 seconds.

I don’t see this being a problem at all. It means he went into precision for runes rather than might so it’s not going to be a might stacking/power build. You faced a good bunker. Bunkers should be viable in this meta against condi or power burst. Just learn for next time.