Do you think he actually believes those kittens he is spouting?
Yes, he has an attitude but you can’t deny he really is a great player and delivers when he plays (if you ever watched his stream).
The thing is every player worth is salt that I know of is already in diamond/legendary and i’m wondering if they really are “favored” by the matchmaking gods?
Worth a watch, what do you guys think? is the system favoring higher MMR players or are we all just refusing to admit we aren’t as good as we think?
Can I give his Majesty O the great Lord Helseth my gaming password (with Anet closely watching any suspicious transactions that might be going on while he plays on my account) and film how he manage to “carry” the teammate I’m given?
I will either learn a lot or laugh a lot… either way is fine by me… But I’m game if he is.
Do you think he actually believes those kittens he is spouting?
Yes, he has an attitude but you can’t deny he really is a great player and delivers when he plays (if you ever watched his stream).
The thing is every player worth is salt that I know of is already in diamond/legendary and i’m wondering if they really are “favored” by the matchmaking gods?
If every player “worth their salt” that you know had a positive MMR with this algorithm they were never fed garbage by the current algorithm. In other words, what does it prove at all regarding the issue ppl have?
If every player “worth their salt” that you know had a positive MMR with this algorithm they were never fed garbage by the current algorithm. In other words, what does it prove at all regarding the issue ppl have?
Well, it proves exactly the fact that the algorithm is designed to stack teams. It’s funny how these white knights of the “skill play” show the analysis capabilities of a drunken mussel.
Can I give his Majesty O the great Lord Helseth my gaming password (with Anet closely watching any suspicious transactions that might be going on while he plays on my account) and film how he manage to “carry” the teammate I’m given?
I will either learn a lot or laugh a lot… either way is fine by me… But I’m game if he is.
That would actually be a great watch if you did that. I don’t know how good you are, but I have seen games on his stream where he carries a lot, so it’s not impossible he would get you further than you think. Make sure to post on this forum if you do something like this one day.
Can I give his Majesty O the great Lord Helseth my gaming password (with Anet closely watching any suspicious transactions that might be going on while he plays on my account) and film how he manage to “carry” the teammate I’m given?
I will either learn a lot or laugh a lot… either way is fine by me… But I’m game if he is.
That would actually be a great watch if you did that. I don’t know how good you are, but I have seen games on his stream where he carries a lot, so it’s not impossible he would get you further than you think. Make sure to post on this forum if you do something like this one day.
That would be an interesting experiment.
Add to that playing a non meta,non elite spec,for that extra flavour!
For science!
-Win a pip,lose a pip,win a pip,lose a pip,lose a pip,
lose a pip,win 2 pips,lose a pip,lose a pip…………..-
-Go go Espartz.-
Can I give his Majesty O the great Lord Helseth my gaming password (with Anet closely watching any suspicious transactions that might be going on while he plays on my account) and film how he manage to “carry” the teammate I’m given?
I will either learn a lot or laugh a lot… either way is fine by me… But I’m game if he is.
That would actually be a great watch if you did that. I don’t know how good you are, but I have seen games on his stream where he carries a lot, so it’s not impossible he would get you further than you think. Make sure to post on this forum if you do something like this one day.
Worth a watch, what do you guys think? is the system favoring higher MMR players or are we all just refusing to admit we aren’t as good as we think?
Can I give his Majesty O the great Lord Helseth my gaming password (with Anet closely watching any suspicious transactions that might be going on while he plays on my account) and film how he manage to “carry” the teammate I’m given?
I will either learn a lot or laugh a lot… either way is fine by me… But I’m game if he is.
We seriously need to arrange this, I am so confused myself about the truth and as much as I would probably not like the result I would be happy to see the “higher MMR player” theory disproved, we need to do it early in the season though because soon enough every scrub is going to hit Ruby even with horrible lose streaks, after all, you only need 3 wins for a tier of 5 pips (2 comeback pips, plus 2 pips from winstreak on the 3rd win)…
Can anyone contact helseth about this? It’s good for him as a content creator as it would be a very interesting content to watch.
I completely agree with almost everything he said. I lost it when someone posted a thread called “always the far pushers” because it was full of people who blame people in the game, blame anet for MM and got mad because i called them a new player.
Too many people in this game need there hand held and honestly cant admit what there own level is.
Is MM perfect, NO. Is it all MM fault, NO. I posted in that thread about how me and 2 guild members dont play meta builds and how we went up against full premades with full meta team comps. I explained that we won by creating the mismatches we wanted and always try to win the even fights and carry people who will probably lose there 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2.
Helseth has the best stream simply because i enjoy all the trash talking he does. The only videos ive seen of him have come from people posting it on the forum, so ive seen maybe 3-4 of his videos. I find many of the people in this game come to the forums and simply just troll it or are oblivious to the fact that they are not as good as they think they are.
There was a reason why people qued with lesser ranked people last season. Last season when i was in ruby and we had 2 people in our guild in emerald. 2-3 of us were literally winning 1 vs 2 all game. In the bunker meta no less, we literally had about 5 games were we sent 2 far, 2 mid, 1 home and simply camped the respawn and won 500-50.
My guild mates got to sapphire and ruby and the competition got better, then they changed it. At that point i was in legendary 1-2 and my friends who were in sapphire felt the same pain as we were facing Team PZ, Radioactive, GASM among other teams with full legendary players.
People in this game say it takes no skill, spam spam, blah blah blah but the evidence is everywhere. When i can 1 vs 2 the so called average players and then i face ESL level players and lose 99% of the time in 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2. There is a serious skill gap between the bottom-average-good-great players. But many do not want to accept that.
There was a reason why people qued with lesser ranked people last season. Last season when i was in ruby and we had 2 people in our guild in emerald. 2-3 of us were literally winning 1 vs 2 all game. In the bunker meta no less, we literally had about 5 games were we sent 2 far, 2 mid, 1 home and simply camped the respawn and won 500-50.
My guild mates got to sapphire and ruby and the competition got better, then they changed it. At that point i was in legendary 1-2 and my friends who were in sapphire felt the same pain as we were facing Team PZ, Radioactive, GASM among other teams with full legendary players.
People in this game say it takes no skill, spam spam, blah blah blah but the evidence is everywhere. When i can 1 vs 2 the so called average players and then i face ESL level players and lose 99% of the time in 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2. There is a serious skill gap between the bottom-average-good-great players. But many do not want to accept that.
I myself carried quite a few ppl on my bunker ele. I still do. However, there are limits. You immediately see the difference when those you play with need babysitting or they don’t. If you can’t tell that difference you might not be as good as you think you are.
Why did he have the tantrum last season because he couldn’t get anywhere in low division if he can do the same with any account? He’s utterly full of it.
There was a reason why people qued with lesser ranked people last season. Last season when i was in ruby and we had 2 people in our guild in emerald. 2-3 of us were literally winning 1 vs 2 all game. In the bunker meta no less, we literally had about 5 games were we sent 2 far, 2 mid, 1 home and simply camped the respawn and won 500-50.
My guild mates got to sapphire and ruby and the competition got better, then they changed it. At that point i was in legendary 1-2 and my friends who were in sapphire felt the same pain as we were facing Team PZ, Radioactive, GASM among other teams with full legendary players.
People in this game say it takes no skill, spam spam, blah blah blah but the evidence is everywhere. When i can 1 vs 2 the so called average players and then i face ESL level players and lose 99% of the time in 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2. There is a serious skill gap between the bottom-average-good-great players. But many do not want to accept that.
Do you even listen to yourself?
You smurfed, abused bunkermeta and played premade vs solos and won because of that. So you basically cheated. Played against players that are NOT near your ladder position but FAR below (smurfing), you played as a kittening team against solos and you abused kittened up balancing.
And thats what you decide made you good and those in emerald average.
Newsflash, the only thing that made you… is pathetic.
The thing is every player worth is salt that I know of is already in diamond/legendary and i’m wondering if they really are “favored” by the matchmaking gods?
You answered your own question there.
“If you spent as much time working on [some task] as
you spend complaining about it on the forums, you’d be
done by now.”
What would it prove? We already know theres a bias in the system with or without one of the best players in the competition on your team. Hence why Helseth didn’t get stuck in emerald this season. He won’t be playing games against anyone remotely near his skill level as they have long moved on. If he tried it at the start of the season that would be impressive.
What would it prove? We already know theres a bias in the system with or without one of the best players in the competition on your team. Hence why Helseth didn’t get stuck in emerald this season. He won’t be playing games against anyone remotely near his skill level as they have long moved on. If he tried it at the start of the season that would be impressive.
That would prove a single good player can raise above the noise and carry 4 baddies to victory and not get stuck in ELO hell as people are complaining that as their MMR goes down it makes them stuck playing with worse players against increasingly better players sending them on a downward spirals that can’t seem to get out of.
The basic fact is, if you’re good enough that you could carry a bad team in solo queue, you will never be matched with a team so bad that they need you to carry them.
You might get matched with players who are not quite as good as you, not quite as good as the opposing team, and you might need to do a little extra effort to squeak out a win, but if you’re a 9/10 then they will at the very least be all 8’s. Not even 7s. If you were given a team of the 4s that some of the rest of us are grouped with, there would be nothing you could do to carry them over the line, even if you could theoretically 1v5 the opposing team (unless the opposing team is dumb enough to not split up).
“If you spent as much time working on [some task] as
you spend complaining about it on the forums, you’d be
done by now.”
The basic fact is, if you’re good enough that you could carry a bad team in solo queue, you will never be matched with a team so bad that they need you to carry them.
The basic fact is, if you’re good enough that you could carry a bad team in solo queue, you will never be matched with a team so bad that they need you to carry them.
I see you’ve never played off hours on EU.
Or, your MMR was not good enough to earn you the sorts of teammates you think you deserve.
“If you spent as much time working on [some task] as
you spend complaining about it on the forums, you’d be
done by now.”
Helseth is really speaking very good points here. I have no idea why you folks bash him, (his persona)
He’s actually not (and I like Helseth). He is a pro league player good enough to win a WTS, thats why he can carry, we are not all that good even if we followed his advice we still wouldn’t be good enough to carry teams against better opposition.
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This is the Guild Wars 2 community. It’s PvP is poisoned with PvErs and nobody wants to take advice from a really good player.this is advice for solo q, he’s not even talking about tournament play! Anyone who doubts the advice he outlined in his stream would be crazy to do so, he made very good points and it is really saddening to see how stubborn people are, to the point of them not listening to a pro player. These are the same people who go on 22 loss streaks, double dodge, don’t count dodges, rotate into lossed fights, don’t cleave, don’t focus the same target, spams their skills etc.
This is the Guild Wars 2 community. It’s PvP is poisoned with PvErs and nobody wants to take advice from a really good player.this is advice for solo q, he’s not even talking about tournament play! Anyone who doubts the advice he outlined in his stream would be crazy to do so, he made very good points and it is really saddening to see how stubborn people are, to the point of them not listening to a pro player. These are the same people who go on 22 loss streaks, double dodge, don’t count dodges, rotate into lossed fights, don’t cleave, don’t focus the same target, spams their skills etc.
I don’t see that many ppl doubting his advice. What people are doubting is the ability of one player, no matter how good he can be, to carry any kind of players no matter what they do.
I enjoyed watching that. Very useful information for players that actually want to get better.
edit: After reading some responses it seems like many people don’t. You people are doing yourself a disservice.
Because you can carry four other 4 with this meta? ?? Look last season, it was possible because each team had their share of bad; whereas this season low MMR players are grouped together and match against HIGH MMR players. I mean the outcome of that game is clear.
And also NEW account start with an average MMR, so someone who tried so hard to get to elegant last season MIGHT HAVE a LOWER MMR than a new player. Consequently, he will get matched with low MMR player while the new player has a better chance of having high MMR player on his side.
This stuff is self explanatory, all you have to do from here is connect the dots.
I enjoyed watching that. Very useful information for players that actually want to get better.
edit: After reading some responses it seems like many people don’t. You people are doing yourself a disservice.
I get that some people are arguing in bad faith but not all of them are. Disagreeing with you isn’t a sign ppl don’t want to improve themselves. It’s a sign they disagree based on a different experience.
I’m going to be honest here. I didn’t learned a lot by watching the vid. What Helseth says is mostly stuff I was already aware of. Specially the Moa bit and all it can do. Mesmer is the opponent I always fear he most on my bunkerish cheese ele because you are left with no defense for soooo long when he Moa you and it’s not easy to spot when he is about to do it. All great advices but after playing alongside the players I was thrown with since my last loss streak (and the contrast with ppl I had when on long win streaks is spectacular), I simply think carrying has limits.
For example, when I go mid to try and aggro 2-3 players on me and tank them, I hope to lessen the burden on my team and make their life that much more easier. After all, if 3 are on me at mid only 2 remains for far and home no? You would be surprised at how many games I’ve had where I could keep 2-3 players glued to me for minutes and where nothing was being capped elsewhere on the map. I mean, I can try to carry but kitten there are limits. The irony is I’m making 0 personal score for this while my team enjoy the fruits of my ploy and sometimes point back at me for my low score when we loose… joy.
I enjoyed watching that. Very useful information for players that actually want to get better.
edit: After reading some responses it seems like many people don’t. You people are doing yourself a disservice.
Because you can carry four other 4 with this meta? ?? Look last season, it was possible because each team had their share of bad; whereas this season low MMR players are grouped together and match against HIGH MMR players. I mean the outcome of that game is clear.
And also NEW account start with an average MMR, so someone who tried so hard to get to elegant last season MIGHT HAVE a LOWER MMR than a new player. Consequently, he will get matched with low MMR player while the new player has a better chance of having high MMR player on his side.
This stuff is self explanatory, all you have to do from here is connect the dots.
Look at you getting caught up in all the rioting; Making excuses for yourself, finding things to place blame on instead of just working on making yourself better at the game.
I enjoyed watching that. Very useful information for players that actually want to get better.
edit: After reading some responses it seems like many people don’t. You people are doing yourself a disservice.
Because you can carry four other 4 with this meta? ?? Look last season, it was possible because each team had their share of bad; whereas this season low MMR players are grouped together and match against HIGH MMR players. I mean the outcome of that game is clear.
And also NEW account start with an average MMR, so someone who tried so hard to get to elegant last season MIGHT HAVE a LOWER MMR than a new player. Consequently, he will get matched with low MMR player while the new player has a better chance of having high MMR player on his side.
This stuff is self explanatory, all you have to do from here is connect the dots.
Look at you getting caught up in all the rioting; Making excuses for yourself, finding things to place blame on instead of just working on making yourself better at the game.
Let’s stop it right here with this everything is an excuse attitude/mantra. Some things may be excuses but some others are quite valid facts. Do not mix both please. This comment btw is more of a general comment than aimed at this particular reply. I see that attitude way too much among the “successful” and while it has merit it also too often seek to mimic ostriches.
I enjoyed watching that. Very useful information for players that actually want to get better.
edit: After reading some responses it seems like many people don’t. You people are doing yourself a disservice.
Because you can carry four other 4 with this meta? ?? Look last season, it was possible because each team had their share of bad; whereas this season low MMR players are grouped together and match against HIGH MMR players. I mean the outcome of that game is clear.
This was only the case maybe the first 3-5 days of this season.
High mmr-players advance and get into higher divisions while low mmr-players are stucked. There is a difference between having a high mmr and having a higher mmr than you and your teammates.
If you still keep losing in low divisions it means that you and your team is even worse than another new or bad team and not that some poor low mmr people got rekt against evil high mmr players
I enjoyed watching that. Very useful information for players that actually want to get better.
edit: After reading some responses it seems like many people don’t. You people are doing yourself a disservice.
Because you can carry four other 4 with this meta? ?? Look last season, it was possible because each team had their share of bad; whereas this season low MMR players are grouped together and match against HIGH MMR players. I mean the outcome of that game is clear.
This was only the case maybe the first 3-5 days of this season.
High mmr-players advance and get into higher divisions while low mmr-players are stucked. There is a difference between having a high mmr and having a higher mmr than you and your teammates.
If you still keep losing in low divisions it means that you and your team is even worse than another new or bad team and not that some poor low mmr people got rekt against evil high mmr players
Show me where I said :
-That I am losing games
- or called high MMR player evil? ?
I was explaining how the algorithm works. Just because I am no longer having those issue, winning or losing lopsided games, doesn’t mean the MMR algorithm is alright.
I was reffering to your statement and not to you directly.
Because you can carry four other 4 with this meta? ?? Look last season, it was possible because each team had their share of bad; whereas this season low MMR players are grouped together and match against HIGH MMR players. I mean the outcome of that game is clear.
And you don’t have to say the word ‘evil’ before I can use it in a sarcastic way, I guess?
For example, when I go mid to try and aggro 2-3 players on me and tank them, I hope to lessen the burden on my team and make their life that much more easier. After all, if 3 are on me at mid only 2 remains for far and home no? You would be surprised at how many games I’ve had where I could keep 2-3 players glued to me for minutes and where nothing was being capped elsewhere on the map. I mean, I can try to carry but kitten there are limits. The irony is I’m making 0 personal score for this while my team enjoy the fruits of my ploy and sometimes point back at me for my low score when we loose… joy.
Just a friendly tip regarding carrying, not just for you specifically but to everybody in general. The most efficient carry profession/role is dependent on the level of play you are in. Please be aware that I’m talking generalities here, and everything I say might not apply to every single individual match. Support is not a very good carry in low-level games, because support is an enabler role. Even if you play like an elder god and support the heck out of your team mates, they will just continue to be potatoes and die left and right. All that space and time that you provide is a wasted effort and does not win games, because your inept team mates will find creative ways to f-up. Support becomes extremely valuable in mid tiers and higher up, when you can actually count on your team mates to make plays to a certain extent.
My advice for low to mid tiers is to play something like a revenant, necro or engi, because you can kill people, win team fights or carry side nodes. Good support players shine higher up, but in low-level games it’s an exercise in futility.
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Just a friendly tip regarding carrying, not just for you specifically but to everybody in general. The most efficient carry profession/role is dependent on the level of play you are in. Please be aware that I’m talking generalities here, and everything I say might not apply to every single individual match. Support is not a very good carry in low-level games, because support is an enabler role. Even if you play like an elder god and support the heck out of your team mates, they will just continue to be potatoes and die left and right. All that space and time that you provide is a wasted effort and does not win games, because your inept team mates will find creative ways to f-up. Support becomes extremely valuable in mid tiers and higher up, when you can actually count on your team mates to make plays to a certain extent.
My advice for low to mid tiers is to play something like a revenant, necro or engi, because you can kill people, win team fights or carry side nodes. Good support players shine higher up, but in low-level games it’s an exercise in futility.
+1
Also, a support should never, ever be by themselves unless is for brief seconds for the team swap positions.
Support =/= Bunker
The support is actually doing their team a disservice by dueling or holding a point against 2. If they are with the revenant or reaper or both would shine and most likely cap the point instead of stalling things up.
Just a friendly tip regarding carrying, not just for you specifically but to everybody in general. The most efficient carry profession/role is dependent on the level of play you are in. Please be aware that I’m talking generalities here, and everything I say might not apply to every single individual match. Support is not a very good carry in low-level games, because support is an enabler role. Even if you play like an elder god and support the heck out of your team mates, they will just continue to be potatoes and die left and right. All that space and time that you provide is a wasted effort and does not win games, because your inept team mates will find creative ways to f-up. Support becomes extremely valuable in mid tiers and higher up, when you can actually count on your team mates to make plays to a certain extent.
My advice for low to mid tiers is to play something like a revenant, necro or engi, because you can kill people, win team fights or carry side nodes. Good support players shine higher up, but in low-level games it’s an exercise in futility.
+1
Also, a support should never, ever be by themselves unless is for brief seconds for the team swap positions.
Support =/= Bunker
The support is actually doing their team a disservice by dueling or holding a point against 2. If they are with the revenant or reaper or both would shine and most likely cap the point instead of stalling things up.
Oh I agree with that. It all depend on who I’m facing. If I know from past skirmish that they are heavy on cc and use them well I won’t even try to solo.
This was merely to illustrate the kind of things I had to live with a lot. I’m in ruby now and it is less of a problem but still happen too often that my teammates are severely lacking compared to where I am. I feel like I have to carry 8 games out of 10 and some are ridiculously heavy loads. In short the season is taking it’s toll on me.
I know when I play bad. I know when I play good. I know when I play brilliant.
Stuff he said in that video? Well, nothing really new for me, except that he thinks one has to carry every single match because thats definitely NOT what I experienced.
What I experienced is quite simply EXACTLY what others have experienced on these forums. When you start sliding down a downward spiral, you get teamed with worse and worse teammates against better teams. Sometimes I can carry and then its a close win or a close loss. Once in a while I get a game thats… just astonishingly easy to win, even when I play horrible.
But mostly I get games where all enemy team is my level and above… whereas my team thinks its clever to play 4-1 with two thieves and no support.
The system is broken.
Im happy for him that he didnt have to experience this, but people with less time to play are experiencing this right now.
