Guild Wars 2

Giving us 3 weapon swaps would definitely be overpowered by a large margin. Image in you could have gs, axe, longbow for burst. You’d literally destroy everything in your way, as your combo would be able to do 30k damage in a very short time, when hb, eviscerate and arcing arrow are combined. Or perma stunlock build, or anything like that. Not going to happen, and it shouldn’t, as I don’t want to see warriors being overbuffed. Some simple, small changes with bug fixes would bring us to a right spot, along with some of the weapon buffs.

Nier.2478:

^
While I see builds other than GS actually working, I will never deny that there is no point in picking any other roamer other than Ele. In fact, I’m even willing to say that Thief and Warrior isn’t viable in competitive play unless you have an Ele. Why the hell do we all have to have an Ele just to do work? The meta right now is pathetic.

Even people are being a bunch of dumb preachers and saying “go play an Ele.”

Three simple things that should happen at Feb patch:

1.) Nerf everything face-roll into Warrior efficiency.
-Includes getting rid of Time Warp, making Blurred Frenzy a 30 second cool down without the trait, and Ele getting reverted to the old Ele where people refused to L2P and only L2P’d after they got over-buffed. This also means revert Ele down-state.
-Realistically speaking, this isn’t going to happen. So lets move on to the next reasonable thing to happen in the next patch.

2.) Find Equilibrium on Ranger or Guardian efficiency.
-Remove Time Warp from tPVP, bring back the old Moa, something like Ele’s sustain cut in half on self and half on others.
-Or don’t even cut Ele’s sustain in half, make Ride The Lightning a target only skill. Hell even if both Ele sustain and mobility gets cut I bet they would still be a decent class.
-Give Warrior a more accessible Building Momentum, Leg Specialist, and buffed Mobile Strikes.

3.) Make Warrior a broken class at full potential.
-Leave the traits as it is.
-Give Warrior Triple Swap at a 10 second base cool down with a 5 second cool down on Fast Hands.

I’m looking at number 2 and 3. The least ANET can do is find something around number 2. If they can’t figure out how to make something work around number 2, then its official to ask “Why didn’t ANET hire a bunch of monkeys to balanced this game instead of incompetent people who didn’t find the decency to actually see the problems within their game?”

Sorry dude, the game needs small balance changes, not big ones.

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

Man, you were playing in hot-join, 100% with new players judging by their armor. Considering the fact that most of them don’t even know how to dodge, and certainly not to interrupt your combo, I wouldn’t brag about warriors being viable.

Try and play against organized teams, you’d get demolished if you think this shows any kind of warrior viability.

Nier.2478:

^
While I see builds other than GS actually working, I will never deny that there is no point in picking any other roamer other than Ele. In fact, I’m even willing to say that Thief and Warrior isn’t viable in competitive play unless you have an Ele. Why the hell do we all have to have an Ele just to do work? The meta right now is pathetic.

Even people are being a bunch of dumb preachers and saying “go play an Ele.”

Three simple things that should happen at Feb patch:

1.) Nerf everything face-roll into Warrior efficiency.
-Includes getting rid of Time Warp, making Blurred Frenzy a 30 second cool down without the trait, and Ele getting reverted to the old Ele where people refused to L2P and only L2P’d after they got over-buffed. This also means revert Ele down-state.
-Realistically speaking, this isn’t going to happen. So lets move on to the next reasonable thing to happen in the next patch.

2.) Find Equilibrium on Ranger or Guardian efficiency.
-Remove Time Warp from tPVP, bring back the old Moa, something like Ele’s sustain cut in half on self and half on others.
-Or don’t even cut Ele’s sustain in half, make Ride The Lightning a target only skill. Hell even if both Ele sustain and mobility gets cut I bet they would still be a decent class.
-Give Warrior a more accessible Building Momentum, Leg Specialist, and buffed Mobile Strikes.

3.) Make Warrior a broken class at full potential.
-Leave the traits as it is.
-Give Warrior Triple Swap at a 10 second base cool down with a 5 second cool down on Fast Hands.

I’m looking at number 2 and 3. The least ANET can do is find something around number 2. If they can’t figure out how to make something work around number 2, then its official to ask “Why didn’t ANET hire a bunch of monkeys to balanced this game instead of incompetent people who didn’t find the decency to actually see the problems within their game?”

The question: is it possible to balance patch all the baddies in this game?
The answer : No, no humanly possible to dumb down the game more than this, maybe changing game would be the the most obvious answer

Plus…
1) Pls do teach use, ele players on how to play our class because you from the top of your godly knowledge obviously know enough to judge us
2) Pls do show us the list with these overbuffs the ele has received since BWE1, with numbers and videos pls
3) I’d be extremely surprised if you’d answer me in a coherent and factual manner

Arheundel.6451:

Nier.2478:

^
While I see builds other than GS actually working, I will never deny that there is no point in picking any other roamer other than Ele. In fact, I’m even willing to say that Thief and Warrior isn’t viable in competitive play unless you have an Ele. Why the hell do we all have to have an Ele just to do work? The meta right now is pathetic.

Even people are being a bunch of dumb preachers and saying “go play an Ele.”

Three simple things that should happen at Feb patch:

1.) Nerf everything face-roll into Warrior efficiency.
-Includes getting rid of Time Warp, making Blurred Frenzy a 30 second cool down without the trait, and Ele getting reverted to the old Ele where people refused to L2P and only L2P’d after they got over-buffed. This also means revert Ele down-state.
-Realistically speaking, this isn’t going to happen. So lets move on to the next reasonable thing to happen in the next patch.

2.) Find Equilibrium on Ranger or Guardian efficiency.
-Remove Time Warp from tPVP, bring back the old Moa, something like Ele’s sustain cut in half on self and half on others.
-Or don’t even cut Ele’s sustain in half, make Ride The Lightning a target only skill. Hell even if both Ele sustain and mobility gets cut I bet they would still be a decent class.
-Give Warrior a more accessible Building Momentum, Leg Specialist, and buffed Mobile Strikes.

3.) Make Warrior a broken class at full potential.
-Leave the traits as it is.
-Give Warrior Triple Swap at a 10 second base cool down with a 5 second cool down on Fast Hands.

I’m looking at number 2 and 3. The least ANET can do is find something around number 2. If they can’t figure out how to make something work around number 2, then its official to ask “Why didn’t ANET hire a bunch of monkeys to balanced this game instead of incompetent people who didn’t find the decency to actually see the problems within their game?”

The question: is it possible to balance patch all the baddies in this game?
The answer : No, no humanly possible to dumb down the game more than this, maybe changing game would be the the most obvious answer

lmao so typical. one side accuses classes of being op, then the people who play those classes accuse the others of being bad. let’s leave it to Anet to decide.

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

Man, you were playing in hot-join, 100% with new players judging by their armor. Considering the fact that most of them don’t even know how to dodge, and certainly not to interrupt your combo, I wouldn’t brag about warriors being viable.

Try and play against organized teams, you’d get demolished if you think this shows any kind of warrior viability.

In hotjoin you´ll hit and die by train. Standing in the middle of the place, without teleport or steatlh, isn´t funny. Maybe the balance-patch give warriors a scoop or something else …

Royce.6835:

Arheundel.6451:

Nier.2478:

^
While I see builds other than GS actually working, I will never deny that there is no point in picking any other roamer other than Ele. In fact, I’m even willing to say that Thief and Warrior isn’t viable in competitive play unless you have an Ele. Why the hell do we all have to have an Ele just to do work? The meta right now is pathetic.

Even people are being a bunch of dumb preachers and saying “go play an Ele.”

Three simple things that should happen at Feb patch:

1.) Nerf everything face-roll into Warrior efficiency.
-Includes getting rid of Time Warp, making Blurred Frenzy a 30 second cool down without the trait, and Ele getting reverted to the old Ele where people refused to L2P and only L2P’d after they got over-buffed. This also means revert Ele down-state.
-Realistically speaking, this isn’t going to happen. So lets move on to the next reasonable thing to happen in the next patch.

2.) Find Equilibrium on Ranger or Guardian efficiency.
-Remove Time Warp from tPVP, bring back the old Moa, something like Ele’s sustain cut in half on self and half on others.
-Or don’t even cut Ele’s sustain in half, make Ride The Lightning a target only skill. Hell even if both Ele sustain and mobility gets cut I bet they would still be a decent class.
-Give Warrior a more accessible Building Momentum, Leg Specialist, and buffed Mobile Strikes.

3.) Make Warrior a broken class at full potential.
-Leave the traits as it is.
-Give Warrior Triple Swap at a 10 second base cool down with a 5 second cool down on Fast Hands.

I’m looking at number 2 and 3. The least ANET can do is find something around number 2. If they can’t figure out how to make something work around number 2, then its official to ask “Why didn’t ANET hire a bunch of monkeys to balanced this game instead of incompetent people who didn’t find the decency to actually see the problems within their game?”

The question: is it possible to balance patch all the baddies in this game?
The answer : No, no humanly possible to dumb down the game more than this, maybe changing game would be the the most obvious answer

lmao so typical. one side accuses classes of being op, then the people who play those classes accuse the others of being bad. let’s leave it to Anet to decide.

Constructive analysis of a problem is never considered a simple l2p issue, the developers of course will always focus on that 10% constructive analysis not the clueless 90% QQ which come with it

Royce.6835:

jportell.2197:

Dueled a warrior in WvW (I know this is pvp) BUT this guy ran Sword/Shield GS combo and he was a beast. I’m sorry I think warriors are fine.

“I am a very inexperienced pvper. I fought a warrior who was just as bad as me. He wrecked me. Warriors are fine.”

???? And the other 10-15 people that he dueled that he beat? They are all just really bad too right?

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

DUDE LMAO when i saw this i literally busted out laughing. I hope you are trolling lmao.

DONT WORRY GUYS, HE GOT A KILL IN A HOT JOIN… MUST BE THE BEST CLASS

everyone HOLD THE PHONES

do NOT buff this class. clearly it is way op based on this screenshot LMFAO

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

Man, you were playing in hot-join, 100% with new players judging by their armor. Considering the fact that most of them don’t even know how to dodge, and certainly not to interrupt your combo, I wouldn’t brag about warriors being viable.

Try and play against organized teams, you’d get demolished if you think this shows any kind of warrior viability.

Why u guys all so mad ?

I can’t help it that i’m doing fine with warrior atm

@Krilce
Curse usually has a warrior in their team so idk what you’re talking about lol

and if that guy on curse switched to a different class, his effectiveness would be increased tenfold. just saying.

jportell.2197:

Royce.6835:

jportell.2197:

Dueled a warrior in WvW (I know this is pvp) BUT this guy ran Sword/Shield GS combo and he was a beast. I’m sorry I think warriors are fine.

“I am a very inexperienced pvper. I fought a warrior who was just as bad as me. He wrecked me. Warriors are fine.”

???? And the other 10-15 people that he dueled that he beat? They are all just really bad too right?

yes.

Or maybe he just plays the class cause he actually likes it and thinks the class is good enough for paids. Right ? No ? Ok, let’s all play thief then.

I like the class. I tried the other classes. Warrior is my favorite because the other ones are too cheese for me. All kinds of weird tactics that i’m not into. I’m really straight forward, that’s why I play a warrior, not because I think it’s strong. I make it strong by putting in 10x the effort of other players who think their classes are hard to play

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

DUDE LMAO when i saw this i literally busted out laughing. I hope you are trolling lmao.

DONT WORRY GUYS, HE GOT A KILL IN A HOT JOIN… MUST BE THE BEST CLASS

everyone HOLD THE PHONES

do NOT buff this class. clearly it is way op based on this screenshot LMFAO

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

Man, you were playing in hot-join, 100% with new players judging by their armor. Considering the fact that most of them don’t even know how to dodge, and certainly not to interrupt your combo, I wouldn’t brag about warriors being viable.

Try and play against organized teams, you’d get demolished if you think this shows any kind of warrior viability.

Why u guys all so mad ?

I can’t help it that i’m doing fine with warrior atm

@Krilce
Curse usually has a warrior in their team so idk what you’re talking about lol

I’m not mad, just telling you that it doesn’t prove anything when talking about warrior viability, and it’s not adding to discussion.

How more precise can i be to add anything to this “discussion” ?
You stated that organized teams aren’t running the class warrior. I gave you a clear answer that Curse actually has 80% of the time a warrior running in their team now.
If they weren’t viable why would one of the top teams of eu be running this class in the first place ?

Tbh, what most people have said in this thread is garbage anyway. Warriors are viable, only thing that should be looked at are small things like getting better condi removal and maybe increasing the leap from eviscerate.

Leadfoot.9071:

daydream.2938:

Warriors are limited, no doubt about it.
BUT warriors in 100 b spec DO have great burst and are viable. But perhaps not in the way that people want warriors to be viable.
Additionally, this is the only viable way to play a warrior that i have seen.
I think some other specs are semi-viable like hammer control.

What about the “spartan” build… axe/mace sword/shield with lyssa runes and shouts – (I think the lyssa runes remove conditions on shouts). Is that one not viable? (I’m seriously asking because I don’t know and am curious)

Soldiers runes remove conditions with shouts.

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

DUDE LMAO when i saw this i literally busted out laughing. I hope you are trolling lmao.

DONT WORRY GUYS, HE GOT A KILL IN A HOT JOIN… MUST BE THE BEST CLASS

everyone HOLD THE PHONES

do NOT buff this class. clearly it is way op based on this screenshot LMFAO

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

Man, you were playing in hot-join, 100% with new players judging by their armor. Considering the fact that most of them don’t even know how to dodge, and certainly not to interrupt your combo, I wouldn’t brag about warriors being viable.

Try and play against organized teams, you’d get demolished if you think this shows any kind of warrior viability.

Why u guys all so mad ?

I can’t help it that i’m doing fine with warrior atm

@Krilce
Curse usually has a warrior in their team so idk what you’re talking about lol

and if that guy on curse switched to a different class, his effectiveness would be increased tenfold. just saying.

jportell.2197:

Royce.6835:

jportell.2197:

Dueled a warrior in WvW (I know this is pvp) BUT this guy ran Sword/Shield GS combo and he was a beast. I’m sorry I think warriors are fine.

“I am a very inexperienced pvper. I fought a warrior who was just as bad as me. He wrecked me. Warriors are fine.”

???? And the other 10-15 people that he dueled that he beat? They are all just really bad too right?

yes.

Or maybe he just plays the class cause he actually likes it and thinks the class is good enough for paids. Right ? No ? Ok, let’s all play thief then.

I like the class. I tried the other classes. Warrior is my favorite because the other ones are too cheese for me. All kinds of weird tactics that i’m not into. I’m really straight forward, that’s why I play a warrior, not because I think it’s strong. I make it strong by putting in 10x the effort of other players who think their classes are hard to play

Woah woah woah. Sir I think you just contradicted yourself. Other classes have all kinds of weird tactics? Okay this is true. Ele’s attunement swaps, Mesmers shatter/tank builds. Guardians on boons Engi’s on kits so on. So because you don’t want to try another class with odd tactics you go for the “straight forward class” What I am getting out of this is that you want to put in no effort. If other classes require “weird” tactics then that means they have a challenge in playing them. So you want the straight forward auto attack no thought class and then say you have to try 10X harder? Hmmmm… Lots of contradiction from what I see.

jportell.2197:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

DUDE LMAO when i saw this i literally busted out laughing. I hope you are trolling lmao.

DONT WORRY GUYS, HE GOT A KILL IN A HOT JOIN… MUST BE THE BEST CLASS

everyone HOLD THE PHONES

do NOT buff this class. clearly it is way op based on this screenshot LMFAO

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

Man, you were playing in hot-join, 100% with new players judging by their armor. Considering the fact that most of them don’t even know how to dodge, and certainly not to interrupt your combo, I wouldn’t brag about warriors being viable.

Try and play against organized teams, you’d get demolished if you think this shows any kind of warrior viability.

Why u guys all so mad ?

I can’t help it that i’m doing fine with warrior atm

@Krilce
Curse usually has a warrior in their team so idk what you’re talking about lol

and if that guy on curse switched to a different class, his effectiveness would be increased tenfold. just saying.

jportell.2197:

Royce.6835:

jportell.2197:

Dueled a warrior in WvW (I know this is pvp) BUT this guy ran Sword/Shield GS combo and he was a beast. I’m sorry I think warriors are fine.

“I am a very inexperienced pvper. I fought a warrior who was just as bad as me. He wrecked me. Warriors are fine.”

???? And the other 10-15 people that he dueled that he beat? They are all just really bad too right?

yes.

Or maybe he just plays the class cause he actually likes it and thinks the class is good enough for paids. Right ? No ? Ok, let’s all play thief then.

I like the class. I tried the other classes. Warrior is my favorite because the other ones are too cheese for me. All kinds of weird tactics that i’m not into. I’m really straight forward, that’s why I play a warrior, not because I think it’s strong. I make it strong by putting in 10x the effort of other players who think their classes are hard to play

Woah woah woah. Sir I think you just contradicted yourself. Other classes have all kinds of weird tactics? Okay this is true. Ele’s attunement swaps, Mesmers shatter/tank builds. Guardians on boons Engi’s on kits so on. So because you don’t want to try another class with odd tactics you go for the “straight forward class” What I am getting out of this is that you want to put in no effort. If other classes require “weird” tactics then that means they have a challenge in playing them. So you want the straight forward auto attack no thought class and then say you have to try 10X harder? Hmmmm… Lots of contradiction from what I see.

What? no it means that it’s my personality. My personality matches the way the warrior plays (OR IS SUPPOSED TO PLAY). very straight forward, lots of gap closing, juggernaut basically.

what i mean by tactics is
1. stealthing every 2 seconds
2. confusing your opponent with clones
3. kiting your opponent into oblivion with chills, slows, and immobilizes
4. letting pets do all your damage

I don’t like to do any of those things. that eliminates almost all other classes except like, guardian, which i have been thinking about playing. Just because the class isn’t straight forward and relies on stealthing, kiting, or healing a lot, doesn’t make it hard. It just simply makes it different.

A straightforward class is just as hard as one with lots of tactics, because that straightforward class has to see through all the BS going on around him. He needs a ton of attention to detail, or he will fail.

I think you’re trying too hard to pick a fight with me now.

No If I was trying to pick a fight I would go about it in a different way. And warriors have great condi removal depending on your build. If you have runes of soldier then all shouts remove conditions. You have been given that option. Just because you don’t want to run it doesn’t mean your class needs changed.

show me a build that removes conditions well and doesnt cut my dps into a fourth of what it was before. oh and it has to include stability.

There is your problem right there. You want it all in one build. I’m a tank Mesmer and when I compare my damage numbers to what they were as a shatter burst its quite sad. But I turn all fights into fights of attrition unless the person runs in which case “I WIN!” You shouldn’t get it all in one build. You want to have high damage and kill people super quick GREAT! Don’t expect your survivability to match. The only class that can really do this I think is the D/D ele. But They are getting looked at and I also don’t know the class AMAZINGLY well so I am not going to be quick to say OP or whatever but I have my feelings.

Bsgapollo.5364:

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

DUDE LMAO when i saw this i literally busted out laughing. I hope you are trolling lmao.

DONT WORRY GUYS, HE GOT A KILL IN A HOT JOIN… MUST BE THE BEST CLASS

everyone HOLD THE PHONES

do NOT buff this class. clearly it is way op based on this screenshot LMFAO

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

Man, you were playing in hot-join, 100% with new players judging by their armor. Considering the fact that most of them don’t even know how to dodge, and certainly not to interrupt your combo, I wouldn’t brag about warriors being viable.

Try and play against organized teams, you’d get demolished if you think this shows any kind of warrior viability.

Why u guys all so mad ?

I can’t help it that i’m doing fine with warrior atm

@Krilce
Curse usually has a warrior in their team so idk what you’re talking about lol

I’m not mad, just telling you that it doesn’t prove anything when talking about warrior viability, and it’s not adding to discussion.

How more precise can i be to add anything to this “discussion” ?
You stated that organized teams aren’t running the class warrior. I gave you a clear answer that Curse actually has 80% of the time a warrior running in their team now.
If they weren’t viable why would one of the top teams of eu be running this class in the first place ?

Tbh, what most people have said in this thread is garbage anyway. Warriors are viable, only thing that should be looked at are small things like getting better condi removal and maybe increasing the leap from eviscerate.

Never said organized teams aren’t running with warriors, don’t know where you got that from.

Also:

Some simple, small changes with bug fixes would bring us to a right spot, along with some of the weapon buffs.

Basically the same as you said. I don’t think warriors are in the right spot only because slowing conditions removal. And to have enough condition removal, and not being carried, you have to sacrifice half of your damage, where some other glassy builds do not need to do that. That’s why I said we need only a few minor buffs.

jportell.2197:

There is your problem right there. You want it all in one build. I’m a tank Mesmer and when I compare my damage numbers to what they were as a shatter burst its quite sad. But I turn all fights into fights of attrition unless the person runs in which case “I WIN!” You shouldn’t get it all in one build. You want to have high damage and kill people super quick GREAT! Don’t expect your survivability to match. The only class that can really do this I think is the D/D ele. But They are getting looked at and I also don’t know the class AMAZINGLY well so I am not going to be quick to say OP or whatever but I have my feelings.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

the thing is my friend… there is no tanky warrior build that gives us enough survivability to make up for the lack of dps. if we spec for full defense, we are only a little harder to kill while doing no dps at all

if we spec full offense, we are only a little easier to kill but do happy feet that aint falco wombo combo amounts of damage.

I WONDER WHICH ONE I’LL PICK

Same is said for bunker guardians. And what they hell did you just say in that last sentence? And the day that my auto attack crits for the same amount warriors does and I am just as survivable as them. I will think they need help. Until then just no.

jportell.2197:

Same is said for bunker guardians. And what they hell did you just say in that last sentence? And the day that my auto attack crits for the same amount warriors does and I am just as survivable as them. I will think they need help. Until then just no.

lol. even if i specced full defense, i would not be as hard to kill as a guardian. i don’t see why you can’t understand that. the benefit of going defense is not as high as the benefit of going offense on a warrior. this is not true for any other class. the other classes have good synergy between offense and defense. the warrior class needs minor buffs to make their defensive traits more viable and provide more synergy so that more than 1 build can exist.

jportell.2197:

Leadfoot.9071:

daydream.2938:

Warriors are limited, no doubt about it.
BUT warriors in 100 b spec DO have great burst and are viable. But perhaps not in the way that people want warriors to be viable.
Additionally, this is the only viable way to play a warrior that i have seen.
I think some other specs are semi-viable like hammer control.

What about the “spartan” build… axe/mace sword/shield with lyssa runes and shouts – (I think the lyssa runes remove conditions on shouts). Is that one not viable? (I’m seriously asking because I don’t know and am curious)

Soldiers runes remove conditions with shouts.

Ahh you are correct sir… but the spartan build I referred to uses Lyssa runes which has “Lose all conditions and gain all buffs for 5 seconds when you use your elite”. And actually the spartan build has no shouts at all lol… so I was all confused. Spartan build obviously takes signet of rage elite.

jportell.2197:

There is your problem right there. You want it all in one build. I’m a tank Mesmer and when I compare my damage numbers to what they were as a shatter burst its quite sad. But I turn all fights into fights of attrition unless the person runs in which case “I WIN!” You shouldn’t get it all in one build. You want to have high damage and kill people super quick GREAT! Don’t expect your survivability to match. The only class that can really do this I think is the D/D ele. But They are getting looked at and I also don’t know the class AMAZINGLY well so I am not going to be quick to say OP or whatever but I have my feelings.

Note, I’m talking about slowing/rooting conditions.

No other glass cannon has its gap closers range cut in half, simply because they are mostly using instant cast, teleport skills. So, no other glass cannon is being shut down just by 1-2 types of conditions. If a warrior wants to remove those conditions, he basically needs to cut quite a lot of his damage, which puts him into a subpar position, compared to other glass cannons. As long as you got someone with AoE condition removal by your side, you won’t have much problems. As soon as that person isn’t in range, you are basically shut down, thus not useful, and dead. Give us some traits working with glass cannon builds that can actually remove those slows, and we are good to go on our own, just like other glass cannons. Buffing Mobile strikes would be enough.

Royce.6835:

jportell.2197:

Same is said for bunker guardians. And what they hell did you just say in that last sentence? And the day that my auto attack crits for the same amount warriors does and I am just as survivable as them. I will think they need help. Until then just no.

lol. even if i specced full defense, i would not be as hard to kill as a guardian. i don’t see why you can’t understand that. the benefit of going defense is not as high as the benefit of going offense on a warrior. this is not true for any other class. the other classes have good synergy between offense and defense. the warrior class needs minor buffs to make their defensive traits more viable and provide more synergy so that more than 1 build can exist.

While you say this, there are no videos of anybody using a survival build who kill people left and right as quick as a warrior, you could make a video yourself but unless you fake the video..you simply can’t do that as these amazing builds simply don’t exist

Mesmer has that same problem with their Illusionary leap/swap if I am chilled/crippled takes a while for my clone to get there and I hit swap and BF but problem is I didn’t swap because I am chilled!. And we are just as bad at removing conditions we only have one maybe 2 reliable skills for curing conditions and it is never all conditions we have on us but send 3 to your opponent or this mantra removes 2 conditions or you have to stay inside null field to lose one condition per pulse.

Arheundel.6451:

Royce.6835:

jportell.2197:

Same is said for bunker guardians. And what they hell did you just say in that last sentence? And the day that my auto attack crits for the same amount warriors does and I am just as survivable as them. I will think they need help. Until then just no.

lol. even if i specced full defense, i would not be as hard to kill as a guardian. i don’t see why you can’t understand that. the benefit of going defense is not as high as the benefit of going offense on a warrior. this is not true for any other class. the other classes have good synergy between offense and defense. the warrior class needs minor buffs to make their defensive traits more viable and provide more synergy so that more than 1 build can exist.

While you say this, there are no videos of anybody using a survival build who kill people left and right as quick as a warrior, you could make a video yourself but unless you fake the video..you simply can’t do that as these amazing builds simply don’t exist

that didn’t make any sense and was not relative to what i said at all.

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

DUDE LMAO when i saw this i literally busted out laughing. I hope you are trolling lmao.

DONT WORRY GUYS, HE GOT A KILL IN A HOT JOIN… MUST BE THE BEST CLASS

everyone HOLD THE PHONES

do NOT buff this class. clearly it is way op based on this screenshot LMFAO

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

Man, you were playing in hot-join, 100% with new players judging by their armor. Considering the fact that most of them don’t even know how to dodge, and certainly not to interrupt your combo, I wouldn’t brag about warriors being viable.

Try and play against organized teams, you’d get demolished if you think this shows any kind of warrior viability.

Why u guys all so mad ?

I can’t help it that i’m doing fine with warrior atm

@Krilce
Curse usually has a warrior in their team so idk what you’re talking about lol

and if that guy on curse switched to a different class, his effectiveness would be increased tenfold. just saying.

jportell.2197:

Royce.6835:

jportell.2197:

Dueled a warrior in WvW (I know this is pvp) BUT this guy ran Sword/Shield GS combo and he was a beast. I’m sorry I think warriors are fine.

“I am a very inexperienced pvper. I fought a warrior who was just as bad as me. He wrecked me. Warriors are fine.”

???? And the other 10-15 people that he dueled that he beat? They are all just really bad too right?

yes.

Or maybe he just plays the class cause he actually likes it and thinks the class is good enough for paids. Right ? No ? Ok, let’s all play thief then.

I like the class. I tried the other classes. Warrior is my favorite because the other ones are too cheese for me. All kinds of weird tactics that i’m not into. I’m really straight forward, that’s why I play a warrior, not because I think it’s strong. I make it strong by putting in 10x the effort of other players who think their classes are hard to play

We run warrior because we find it strong. Fredz has a very strong necro but we play warrior because the warrior is a viable option.

The only map when the necro is a much stronger pick than warrior is on kyhlo.

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

DUDE LMAO when i saw this i literally busted out laughing. I hope you are trolling lmao.

DONT WORRY GUYS, HE GOT A KILL IN A HOT JOIN… MUST BE THE BEST CLASS

everyone HOLD THE PHONES

do NOT buff this class. clearly it is way op based on this screenshot LMFAO

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

Man, you were playing in hot-join, 100% with new players judging by their armor. Considering the fact that most of them don’t even know how to dodge, and certainly not to interrupt your combo, I wouldn’t brag about warriors being viable.

Try and play against organized teams, you’d get demolished if you think this shows any kind of warrior viability.

Why u guys all so mad ?

I can’t help it that i’m doing fine with warrior atm

@Krilce
Curse usually has a warrior in their team so idk what you’re talking about lol

I’m not mad, just telling you that it doesn’t prove anything when talking about warrior viability, and it’s not adding to discussion.

How more precise can i be to add anything to this “discussion” ?
You stated that organized teams aren’t running the class warrior. I gave you a clear answer that Curse actually has 80% of the time a warrior running in their team now.
If they weren’t viable why would one of the top teams of eu be running this class in the first place ?

Tbh, what most people have said in this thread is garbage anyway. Warriors are viable, only thing that should be looked at are small things like getting better condi removal and maybe increasing the leap from eviscerate.

Never said organized teams aren’t running with warriors, don’t know where you got that from.

Also:

Some simple, small changes with bug fixes would bring us to a right spot, along with some of the weapon buffs.

Basically the same as you said. I don’t think warriors are in the right spot only because slowing conditions removal. And to have enough condition removal, and not being carried, you have to sacrifice half of your damage, where some other glassy builds do not need to do that. That’s why I said we need only a few minor buffs.

Like really ?

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

Man, you were playing in hot-join, 100% with new players judging by their armor. Considering the fact that most of them don’t even know how to dodge, and certainly not to interrupt your combo, I wouldn’t brag about warriors being viable.

Try and play against organized teams, you’d get demolished if you think this shows any kind of warrior viability.

Oni.5429:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

DUDE LMAO when i saw this i literally busted out laughing. I hope you are trolling lmao.

DONT WORRY GUYS, HE GOT A KILL IN A HOT JOIN… MUST BE THE BEST CLASS

everyone HOLD THE PHONES

do NOT buff this class. clearly it is way op based on this screenshot LMFAO

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

Man, you were playing in hot-join, 100% with new players judging by their armor. Considering the fact that most of them don’t even know how to dodge, and certainly not to interrupt your combo, I wouldn’t brag about warriors being viable.

Try and play against organized teams, you’d get demolished if you think this shows any kind of warrior viability.

Why u guys all so mad ?

I can’t help it that i’m doing fine with warrior atm

@Krilce
Curse usually has a warrior in their team so idk what you’re talking about lol

and if that guy on curse switched to a different class, his effectiveness would be increased tenfold. just saying.

jportell.2197:

Royce.6835:

jportell.2197:

Dueled a warrior in WvW (I know this is pvp) BUT this guy ran Sword/Shield GS combo and he was a beast. I’m sorry I think warriors are fine.

“I am a very inexperienced pvper. I fought a warrior who was just as bad as me. He wrecked me. Warriors are fine.”

???? And the other 10-15 people that he dueled that he beat? They are all just really bad too right?

yes.

Or maybe he just plays the class cause he actually likes it and thinks the class is good enough for paids. Right ? No ? Ok, let’s all play thief then.

I like the class. I tried the other classes. Warrior is my favorite because the other ones are too cheese for me. All kinds of weird tactics that i’m not into. I’m really straight forward, that’s why I play a warrior, not because I think it’s strong. I make it strong by putting in 10x the effort of other players who think their classes are hard to play

We run warrior because we find it strong. Fredz has a very strong necro but we play warrior because the warrior is a viable option.

The only map when the necro is a much stronger pick than warrior is on kyhlo.

Probably with some obvious reasons for it like signet ress or easier to land wells on the mid point.

Royce.6835:

Arheundel.6451:

Royce.6835:

jportell.2197:

Same is said for bunker guardians. And what they hell did you just say in that last sentence? And the day that my auto attack crits for the same amount warriors does and I am just as survivable as them. I will think they need help. Until then just no.

lol. even if i specced full defense, i would not be as hard to kill as a guardian. i don’t see why you can’t understand that. the benefit of going defense is not as high as the benefit of going offense on a warrior. this is not true for any other class. the other classes have good synergy between offense and defense. the warrior class needs minor buffs to make their defensive traits more viable and provide more synergy so that more than 1 build can exist.

While you say this, there are no videos of anybody using a survival build who kill people left and right as quick as a warrior, you could make a video yourself but unless you fake the video..you simply can’t do that as these amazing builds simply don’t exist

that didn’t make any sense and was not relative to what i said at all.

Whatever…the question now is why you keep raging so hard about warriors?
The worst that can happen is they nerf all other profession and buff warrior to god status..but then everybody will play warrior…then Anet will nerf warriors again and buff other professions….in the end you never win as you’d like

no mobility ?: maybe u should use ur rush and bull’ s charge like rtl, u also have whirlwind attack and savage leap. warrior has a high burst especially when the burst is covered with cc (burstskill from sword? bullscharge as knockdown? throw bolas? teammates cc)
warrior is designed to be weak vs conditions. warrior(tough &bursty) + ele (healy condi-remover tough stacking might+cc) will have a great synergy . in a teamfight warrior can be great. if he gets focused he can use his block and endure pain and disengage the fight with movementskills. heal up and come back….

and what i like most about warrior they are desecrators of corpses: u wanna rez ur mate u can taste some 100000 blades

Arheundel.6451:

Royce.6835:

Arheundel.6451:

Royce.6835:

jportell.2197:

Same is said for bunker guardians. And what they hell did you just say in that last sentence? And the day that my auto attack crits for the same amount warriors does and I am just as survivable as them. I will think they need help. Until then just no.

lol. even if i specced full defense, i would not be as hard to kill as a guardian. i don’t see why you can’t understand that. the benefit of going defense is not as high as the benefit of going offense on a warrior. this is not true for any other class. the other classes have good synergy between offense and defense. the warrior class needs minor buffs to make their defensive traits more viable and provide more synergy so that more than 1 build can exist.

While you say this, there are no videos of anybody using a survival build who kill people left and right as quick as a warrior, you could make a video yourself but unless you fake the video..you simply can’t do that as these amazing builds simply don’t exist

that didn’t make any sense and was not relative to what i said at all.

Whatever…the question now is why you keep raging so hard about warriors?
The worst that can happen is they nerf all other profession and buff warrior to god status..but then everybody will play warrior…then Anet will nerf warriors again and buff other professions….in the end you never win as you’d like

i’m not raging…

but you are right, i have said what i wanted to say. i’m only responding cause i’m bored as hell.

This is a really weird thread. I main an engineer, and on the engi forum, we have those who feel the engi is weak, and those who feel the engi is strong; but both kinds play the engi. This thread has warriors who feel warrior is weak, and other professions saying it is strong enough.

I’m not picking a side here, just making an odd observation. Perhaps it’s nothing.

lol this thread is really getting ridiculous.Warrior gets triple swap?? :O
Ele gets his sustain cut at half and rtl only targeted spell?? :0
Blurred frenzy 30 sec cd??
Lol just imagine what would happen if the above guy or anyone from the standard forum posters got the lead at balancing the game..Just imagine the horror!

Warriors need more options than 100b’s. ’
they dont need a massive buff, they need some small upward changes and they will be fine.

Review my topic. Instead of creating new ones.

lol this topic is full of warrior hypocrisy.
Warrior needs more option than 100bs? Sorry but if all warrior weapon/ trait are buffed to have the same effectiveness as 100b, it’d be the most overpowered class ever graced a MMO.

You have 1 skill combo that allow you to haste/stun/instant kill pretty much every class in existence from the raw damage alone, not to mention that it BLEEDS. Granted it is an easy to counter skill when 1 vs 1, most matches aren’t about 1 vs 1. Catching a player with his stun break off and 100b is equal to instant win.

Face the truth warriors, you want more option not because 100b isn’t effective, but because you got bored of blasting people using the same cookie cutter build as every other warriors.

Which is perfectly understandable.
But when someone propose a buff to every other weapon traits and a nerf to 100b , everyone loses their mind. Hilarious. All warriors want a buff to their other traits, because they’re so tired of 100b, yet all warriors are not willing to part with 100b because it’s so….. weak? lol.

How cute

showatt.9413:

lol this topic is full of warrior hypocrisy.
1) Warrior needs more option than 100bs? Sorry but if all warrior weapon/ trait are buffed to have the same effectiveness as 100b, it’d be the most overpowered class ever graced a MMO.

2) You have 1 skill combo that allow you to haste/stun/instant kill pretty much every class in existence from the raw damage alone, not to mention that it BLEEDS. Granted it is an easy to counter skill when 1 vs 1, most matches aren’t about 1 vs 1. Catching a player with his stun break off and 100b is equal to instant win.

3) Face the truth warriors, you want more option not because 100b isn’t effective, but because you got bored of blasting people using the same cookie cutter build as every other warriors.

4) Which is perfectly understandable.
But when someone propose a buff to every other weapon traits and a nerf to 100b , everyone loses their mind. Hilarious. All warriors want a buff to their other traits, because they’re so tired of 100b, yet all warriors are not willing to part with 100b because it’s so….. weak? lol.

How cute

1) Yes, because to be viable in PvP you need more options so that the other team doesn’t know exactly what you have before you even use a skill. Also, our damage on the other weapons is not the problem (maybe for mace) but it is the gap closers not functioning well/properly.

2) That combo is far from being able to kill any class that has a stun breaker up (which every class has multiple ones). Not to mention, it is easily dodge able set up “Bull Charge” . Bulls Charge gets the most obvious animation award.

3) Incorrect. Because most Warriors are not even allowed on higher end tPvP and all we can do is unpaid tPvP and sPvP. All the while hoping to run into someone who doesn’t understand their class.

4) We need buff to are traits in certain lines because they are jokes. Useless traits need to go and decent ones that can actually give us some staying power would be nice.

Please stop saying warriors are not viable. For the main gc spec, we just need a tweat to mobile strikes clearing slows and we will be fine.
Yes some other weapons could stand for some changes to diversify builds, but the main spec is almost there. My credentials, well I am not one to screen shot all of my famous plays but I have played against top named teams using my warrior and have won matches.
K pop

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/1910550

Really not going to argue with people who are simple-minded and will talk before actually trying something different. Hammer, Warhorn, Sword is viable in paids. GS isn’t the only viable Warrior build. Learn to play, have the decency to get better, and stop whining about lack of diversity. And most of all DO NOT hesitate to ask for advice on those who are better than you.

Warrior is a good roaming Tank who sets up kills and a good DPS carry.

Warrior is an L2P issue for the most part. Only reason why they need to get buffed is because slows are too easily reapplied (way too powerful in terms of efficiency too, much like “chill”) and tactics tree minor traits look unattractive. Add to the fact that Mesmers and Eles overshadow everything.

As my own opinion, I’d like it if warriors had a little buff to their condition removal and a little nodge to their Heal. But not by a big margin.
They make for a pretty good pressure class right now, and felling one – for me atleast , takes my full attention.

And make the other never used kits a little more attractive .

After ele nerf, they’re more viable.

I agree 100% with this whole thread. I only play warrior . It’s my favorite class, I love it. But the mechanics are broken as stated above. Anet, please, Please buff or fix warrior. And not like you ‘fixed’ ranger. Please fix it good. I <3 warrior and I wish the best for it. I DON’T THINK THAT THE ONLY ROLE FOR WARRIORS SHOULD BE COF PATH 1 SPEEDRUNS…

showatt.9413:

lol this topic is full of warrior hypocrisy.
Warrior needs more option than 100bs? Sorry but if all warrior weapon/ trait are buffed to have the same effectiveness as 100b, it’d be the most overpowered class ever graced a MMO.

You have 1 skill combo that allow you to haste/stun/instant kill pretty much every class in existence from the raw damage alone, not to mention that it BLEEDS. Granted it is an easy to counter skill when 1 vs 1, most matches aren’t about 1 vs 1. Catching a player with his stun break off and 100b is equal to instant win.

Face the truth warriors, you want more option not because 100b isn’t effective, but because you got bored of blasting people using the same cookie cutter build as every other warriors.

Which is perfectly understandable.
But when someone propose a buff to every other weapon traits and a nerf to 100b , everyone loses their mind. Hilarious. All warriors want a buff to their other traits, because they’re so tired of 100b, yet all warriors are not willing to part with 100b because it’s so….. weak? lol.

How cute

You’re either an idiot or a scrub. I think anyone who has played the game for at least a month can dodge a kittening bulrush or shield bash. Your saying that a combo that is the only warriors saving grace is not weak because it can kill any class . Yea, except, for ANY of the thousands of not kitten who can dodge a bullrush. Anyone who thinks that warriors are good where they are have the “L2P” issue pal, not us.