Guild Wars 2

reikken.4961:

LelouchViBritannia.3607:

There is no such thing as “sustained burst” which shows how much you must know about pvp mechanics.

Oh there totally is.
It doesn’t exist in GW2, but it does exist. I’ve seen it, and it is glorious.

Sustained Burst is like Military Intelligence, or Spontaneous Evolution. One excludes the other.

TheGreatA.4192:

I’m not saying we are the greatest team but we are all pretty much top 100 ranked players EU and if a thief wants to try killing our ele he gets introduced to a warrior’s hammer in his face and then a massive burst that will take him 100 to nothing in a matter of a split second. Teamwork can make this build work.

IMO nothing in this game has the kind of burst potential and delivery that ele so it still has its uses in the right hands.

I’m sure his teammates won’t be doing anything to help him/her…now before we get into the never ending what if cycles, let’s just address the rest of the match outside of that one encounter. The thief has the best mobility and his burst potential is great enough to always warrant a baby sitter for the ele. That alone, makes it more worthwhile to bring a glass thief than an glass ele. Not to mention poison/fields and daze on steal and group stealth. Mean while, the ele has to devote his utility slots to damage and possibly a minor condi cleanse if they take EA.

TheGreatA.4192:

I’m not saying we are the greatest team but we are all pretty much top 100 ranked players EU and if a thief wants to try killing our ele he gets introduced to a warrior’s hammer in his face and then a massive burst that will take him 100 to nothing in a matter of a split second. Teamwork can make this build work.

IMO nothing in this game has the kind of burst potential and delivery that ele so it still has its uses in the right hands.

Sorry but what talent tree is the pocket warrior skill? I cant find it, so you are saying you can 2v1 in your favor with your ele and another warrior and kill an enemy, so its balanced?

Ugruk.4069:

TheGreatA.4192:

I’m not saying we are the greatest team but we are all pretty much top 100 ranked players EU and if a thief wants to try killing our ele he gets introduced to a warrior’s hammer in his face and then a massive burst that will take him 100 to nothing in a matter of a split second. Teamwork can make this build work.

IMO nothing in this game has the kind of burst potential and delivery that ele so it still has its uses in the right hands.

Sorry but what talent tree is the pocket warrior skill? I cant find it, so you are saying you can 2v1 in your favor with your ele and another warrior and kill an enemy, so its balanced?

THIS. This is what those people don’t seem to get. If you need someone to protect you you’re effectively making the game 4v5. Any other class would be better in your spot when it can protect itself.

It’s more about coordinating your movements and use of skills in a team fight to focus down an opponent who over-extends against the “obvious” target. Everybody is going to be on the ele, we know that, are prepared for it and try to use it against the other teams.

I will say that the ele is 100% perfectly capable of holding his own in any 1on1. And the rate at which he busts a bunker guard, warrior or knockback engi is something that I do not feel many other classes are capable of, if any.

I figured most of you were talking about a thief having the advantage of focusing an ele in a team fight because I feel 1on1, fair and square, an ele is perfectly capable of winning against a thief, as long as the player is good enough. However a thief is very proficient at pressuring eles (and everybody else) amongst all the usual condi & aoe pressure in a team fight, while usually being able to get away with it, which can make it difficult for the ele to handle unless the team is prepared for such situations and quickly turn their focus into taking down the thief before he can deal serious damage. It’s the exact same situation as if a thief suddenly jumps a low on cd engi or necro, the team has to be able to deal with it.

I feel everybody nowadays just wants to use easy-mode, passive defensive stuff that is easy to play, instead of mastering something that is high risk, high reward. Instead of again making ele the damage dealing, super mobile bunker that it was, the boring meta should be toned down a bit to improve gameplay and reward teams who are willing to try out something more dynamic instead of 5 self-serving bunkers who still somehow deal a huge amount of damage.

That’s just boring, I rather have designated roles for each players who play their roles to the extremes, with the damage dealer doing maximum damage, the condi spammer doing a maximum amount of condi, etc. Right now I feel like the eles damage is in a good place as long as the team can make use of it. It’s a fine class without overly cheesy mechanics that takes some skill to master, unlike some of the other stuff that is going on at the moment.

TheGreatA.4192:

It’s more about coordinating your movements and use of skills in a team fight to focus down an opponent who over-extends against the “obvious” target. Everybody is going to be on the ele, we know that, are prepared for it and try to use it against the other teams.

I will say that the ele is 100% perfectly capable of holding his own in any 1on1. And the rate at which he busts a bunker guard, warrior or knockback engi is something that I do not feel many other classes are capable of, if any.

I figured most of you were talking about a thief having the advantage of focusing an ele in a team fight because I feel 1on1, fair and square, an ele is perfectly capable of winning against a thief, as long as the player is good enough. However a thief is very proficient at pressuring eles (and everybody else) amongst all the usual condi & aoe pressure in a team fight, while usually being able to get away with it, which can make it difficult for the ele to handle unless the team is prepared for such situations and quickly turn their focus into taking down the thief before he can deal serious damage.

I feel everybody nowadays just wants to use easy-mode, passive defensive stuff that is easy to play, instead of mastering something that is high risk, high reward. Instead of again making ele the damage dealing, super mobile bunker that it was, the boring meta should be toned down a bit to improve gameplay and reward teams who are willing to try out something more dynamic instead of 5 self-serving bunkers who still somehow deal a huge amount of damage.

That’s just boring, I rather have designated roles for each players who play their roles to the extremes, with the damage dealer doing maximum damage, the condi spammer doing a maximum amount of condi, etc.

Show me a video of you killing all that stuff on a match, you know the guardian and warriors can push a button and reduce incoming damage by 30%+ regen + stability + immunities, so you cant CC them to land your burst and the damage you will do will be considerably lower, can you really kill them on time to get the point for your team? I dont think so…

I like the elementalist play style but when you have to have 3 hands and lightning fast reflexes to make it only “good/ok” in a competitive play while other classes dont even have/need a clue, it sucks and IS IMBALANCED ence the “whining” from elementalists you are so “tired” of.

Ugruk.4069:

Show me a video of you killing all that stuff on a match, you know the guardian and warriors can push a button and reduce incoming damage by 30%+ regen + stability + immunities, so you cant CC them to land your burst and the damage you will do will be considerably lower, can you really kill them on time to get the point for your team? I dont think so…

I like the elementalist play style but when you have to have 3 hands and lightning fast reflexes to make it only “good/ok” in a competitive play while other classes dont even have/need a clue, it sucks and IS IMBALANCED ence the “whining” from elementalists you are so “tired” of.

I’m only tired of elementalist players wanting their class to be turned into the same garbage that has ruined this game in many players’ eyes, the type of garbage that the elementalist class represented before those much needed nerfs.

Unfortunately the whining of other classes (necros, warris, etc.) brought about silly untested mechanics which made them more powerful in comparison, mistakes which the devs have been slowly trying to address in recent patches. Bring the other stuff down to the same level and you will have a fine game on your hands.

The point of team play is that you have a necro or mesmer for example who removes boons, a warrior who stuns and controls, and a damage dealer, for example an elementalist, who drops the heavy damage on them to finish up the job. An ele doesn’t need to have absolutely everything on his hands in order to be viable, it is that attitude by players that has brought about these jack-of-all-trades warriors which everybody loves to complain about.

WvWvW is NOT PVP!!!! Its “I have really great gear and you are a level 5 with white gear one, insert dubstep OST, WOB WOB I AM YOUTUBE kitten!”. Thats all it is, thats all it will ever be, its not PVP in any sense of the word. Its Gear vs Gear, so theirs your GvG haha.

As for Eles being OP, are you smoking crack? Eles are currently the most broken class in the game, they are weak in every sense of the word. The only people playing ele are new players, people new to pvp (oh they soon learn how silly an ele in pvp is), or those die hard 1 class for life types (we salute you, just because you were nerfed into the ground, dont let that stop you).

Honestly this is mental, how ANYONE could think an ele is OP is beyond me. Warrior yeah, necro maybe, ele? never. I cannot think of a class I would say is weaker overall, not one, the ele IS the bottom of the food chain as far as PVP goes.

The burst is so pathetic its unreal, I can do more on my hybrid thief than a full glass ele. In fact, they have the lowest health, worst armor, and some poor condition builds (you would think the ele would be king of conditions, oddly enough that was castrated as well as combo fields, everything in water attunement and build choices).

I actually am gob smacked at how an ele can be thought as OP. Engie is on life support, but ele is rotting in its grave, with a group of hooded teenagers peeing in his eye sockets and farting on it. Any more nerfs run the risk of making the ele never exist, it will just not be there and no one will notice.

DaliIndica.9041:

WvWvW is NOT PVP!!!! Its “I have really great gear and you are a level 5 with white gear one, insert dubstep OST, WOB WOB I AM YOUTUBE kitten!”. Thats all it is, thats all it will ever be, its not PVP in any sense of the word. Its Gear vs Gear, so theirs your GvG haha.

As for Eles being OP, are you smoking crack? Eles are currently the most broken class in the game, they are weak in every sense of the word. The only people playing ele are new players, people new to pvp (oh they soon learn how silly an ele in pvp is), or those die hard 1 class for life types (we salute you, just because you were nerfed into the ground, dont let that stop you).

Honestly this is mental, how ANYONE could think an ele is OP is beyond me. Warrior yeah, necro maybe, ele? never. I cannot think of a class I would say is weaker overall, not one, the ele IS the bottom of the food chain as far as PVP goes.

The burst is so pathetic its unreal, I can do more on my hybrid thief than a full glass ele. In fact, they have the lowest health, worst armor, and some poor condition builds (you would think the ele would be king of conditions, oddly enough that was castrated as well as combo fields, everything in water attunement and build choices).

I actually am gob smacked at how an ele can be thought as OP. Engie is on life support, but ele is rotting in its grave, with a group of hooded teenagers peeing in his eye sockets and farting on it. Any more nerfs run the risk of making the ele never exist, it will just not be there and no one will notice.

You have no idea what you’re talking about if you think ele burst is “pathetic” and that engi is on life support. Elementalist might not be on par in other attributes but their burst is certainly not one of the weak points of the class, in fact I would argue that ele has the highest direct dmg burst of any class. Engis are doing fine.

TheGreatA.4192:

DaliIndica.9041:

WvWvW is NOT PVP!!!! Its “I have really great gear and you are a level 5 with white gear one, insert dubstep OST, WOB WOB I AM YOUTUBE kitten!”. Thats all it is, thats all it will ever be, its not PVP in any sense of the word. Its Gear vs Gear, so theirs your GvG haha.

As for Eles being OP, are you smoking crack? Eles are currently the most broken class in the game, they are weak in every sense of the word. The only people playing ele are new players, people new to pvp (oh they soon learn how silly an ele in pvp is), or those die hard 1 class for life types (we salute you, just because you were nerfed into the ground, dont let that stop you).

Honestly this is mental, how ANYONE could think an ele is OP is beyond me. Warrior yeah, necro maybe, ele? never. I cannot think of a class I would say is weaker overall, not one, the ele IS the bottom of the food chain as far as PVP goes.

The burst is so pathetic its unreal, I can do more on my hybrid thief than a full glass ele. In fact, they have the lowest health, worst armor, and some poor condition builds (you would think the ele would be king of conditions, oddly enough that was castrated as well as combo fields, everything in water attunement and build choices).

I actually am gob smacked at how an ele can be thought as OP. Engie is on life support, but ele is rotting in its grave, with a group of hooded teenagers peeing in his eye sockets and farting on it. Any more nerfs run the risk of making the ele never exist, it will just not be there and no one will notice.

You have no idea what you’re talking about if you think ele burst is “pathetic” and that engi is on life support. Elementalist might not be on par in other attributes but their burst is certainly not one of the weak points of the class, in fact I would argue that ele has the highest direct dmg burst of any class. Engis are doing fine.

Ele burst, in pure glass, is broken. That doesn’t justify the current state of elementalists. The burst needs to be toned down and as well as the other broken builds in the game.

This is 100% the developers fault for nerfing abilities without first fixing the bugs associated with them.

Pyriall.5027:

Ele burst, in pure glass, is broken. That doesn’t justify the current state of elementalists. The burst needs to be toned down and as well as the other broken builds in the game.

This is 100% the developers fault for nerfing abilities without first fixing the bugs associated with them.

This I can agree with. Tone down the broken stuff, don’t create more of it.

Pyriall.5027:

TheGreatA.4192:

DaliIndica.9041:

WvWvW is NOT PVP!!!! Its “I have really great gear and you are a level 5 with white gear one, insert dubstep OST, WOB WOB I AM YOUTUBE kitten!”. Thats all it is, thats all it will ever be, its not PVP in any sense of the word. Its Gear vs Gear, so theirs your GvG haha.

As for Eles being OP, are you smoking crack? Eles are currently the most broken class in the game, they are weak in every sense of the word. The only people playing ele are new players, people new to pvp (oh they soon learn how silly an ele in pvp is), or those die hard 1 class for life types (we salute you, just because you were nerfed into the ground, dont let that stop you).

Honestly this is mental, how ANYONE could think an ele is OP is beyond me. Warrior yeah, necro maybe, ele? never. I cannot think of a class I would say is weaker overall, not one, the ele IS the bottom of the food chain as far as PVP goes.

The burst is so pathetic its unreal, I can do more on my hybrid thief than a full glass ele. In fact, they have the lowest health, worst armor, and some poor condition builds (you would think the ele would be king of conditions, oddly enough that was castrated as well as combo fields, everything in water attunement and build choices).

I actually am gob smacked at how an ele can be thought as OP. Engie is on life support, but ele is rotting in its grave, with a group of hooded teenagers peeing in his eye sockets and farting on it. Any more nerfs run the risk of making the ele never exist, it will just not be there and no one will notice.

You have no idea what you’re talking about if you think ele burst is “pathetic” and that engi is on life support. Elementalist might not be on par in other attributes but their burst is certainly not one of the weak points of the class, in fact I would argue that ele has the highest direct dmg burst of any class. Engis are doing fine.

Ele burst, in pure glass, is broken. That doesn’t justify the current state of elementalists. The burst needs to be toned down and as well as the other broken builds in the game.

This is 100% the developers fault for nerfing abilities without first fixing the bugs associated with them.

Tone it down how? that burst is on a long cooldown, and you have to land it. Its also easy to avoid, and it can be dealt with, and if your a bunker build its of little concern really. So once that brittle, doesnt always work, easy to deal with, only works once a minute basically is done with, you sit there, no way of taking a sustained attack, no real way to keep the damage up. Thats right, you either die, pray for back up, or simply run away. I rarely see anyone running ele in arena, and if they are glass, they are going down before thay can really hope to get that burst off on anyone.

Please, make one and go to arena (soloq is fine if you dont have a team, in fact most teams would kick a burst ele for any number of better replacements), and see how rubbish it is. I play a thief and eles can cause issues with there high mobility, and even I am saying that eles feel really fragile when I fight them, and the damage has poor uptime. All I have to do is deal with that bit of burst and free kill or he runs away.

DaliIndica.9041:

Pyriall.5027:

TheGreatA.4192:

DaliIndica.9041:

WvWvW is NOT PVP!!!! Its “I have really great gear and you are a level 5 with white gear one, insert dubstep OST, WOB WOB I AM YOUTUBE kitten!”. Thats all it is, thats all it will ever be, its not PVP in any sense of the word. Its Gear vs Gear, so theirs your GvG haha.

As for Eles being OP, are you smoking crack? Eles are currently the most broken class in the game, they are weak in every sense of the word. The only people playing ele are new players, people new to pvp (oh they soon learn how silly an ele in pvp is), or those die hard 1 class for life types (we salute you, just because you were nerfed into the ground, dont let that stop you).

Honestly this is mental, how ANYONE could think an ele is OP is beyond me. Warrior yeah, necro maybe, ele? never. I cannot think of a class I would say is weaker overall, not one, the ele IS the bottom of the food chain as far as PVP goes.

The burst is so pathetic its unreal, I can do more on my hybrid thief than a full glass ele. In fact, they have the lowest health, worst armor, and some poor condition builds (you would think the ele would be king of conditions, oddly enough that was castrated as well as combo fields, everything in water attunement and build choices).

I actually am gob smacked at how an ele can be thought as OP. Engie is on life support, but ele is rotting in its grave, with a group of hooded teenagers peeing in his eye sockets and farting on it. Any more nerfs run the risk of making the ele never exist, it will just not be there and no one will notice.

You have no idea what you’re talking about if you think ele burst is “pathetic” and that engi is on life support. Elementalist might not be on par in other attributes but their burst is certainly not one of the weak points of the class, in fact I would argue that ele has the highest direct dmg burst of any class. Engis are doing fine.

Ele burst, in pure glass, is broken. That doesn’t justify the current state of elementalists. The burst needs to be toned down and as well as the other broken builds in the game.

This is 100% the developers fault for nerfing abilities without first fixing the bugs associated with them.

Tone it down how? that burst is on a long cooldown, and you have to land it. Its also easy to avoid, and it can be dealt with, and if your a bunker build its of little concern really. So once that brittle, doesnt always work, easy to deal with, only works once a minute basically is done with, you sit there, no way of taking a sustained attack, no real way to keep the damage up. Thats right, you either die, pray for back up, or simply run away. I rarely see anyone running ele in arena, and if they are glass, they are going down before thay can really hope to get that burst off on anyone.

Please, make one and go to arena (soloq is fine if you dont have a team, in fact most teams would kick a burst ele for any number of better replacements), and see how rubbish it is. I play a thief and eles can cause issues with there high mobility, and even I am saying that eles feel really fragile when I fight them, and the damage has poor uptime. All I have to do is deal with that bit of burst and free kill or he runs away.

I’m not even going to address you until you clarify what do you mean by high mobility. 1200 range on a 40 second cd…