Guild Wars 2

I can tell you’re really upset about S5, but what happened in the past doesn’t dictate what happened recently. You can make hypothesis based on ANet’s inactivity against boundary crossing in S5 but without clear response from ANet, they’re at best just hypothesis. What we do see now is ANet takes AT a lot more serious and people will get punish for account sharing in tournaments (I can’t believe I have to spell it out).

Also your examples of duoQ or coms doesn’t affect AT. Not saying I don’t condemn it, but whether players can be punish by that depend on ANet’s themselves.

Finally I just want to say if you do find Jeff and his team account sharing in AT you can exact the same report. There are no special snowflakes, it’s as simple as that.

@kdaddy.5431

What you dont realize is those aren’t pros that were dishonnored. Cheaters can’t be pros by definition. If it takes match manipulation to win or even having a full team on voice chat just to win then you are not a pro player. A pro player doesn’t cheat and can hold his or her own in a 1v1 fight at least.

These were just mommy’s lil basement trolls who need some sunlight. Now the real pro players can emerge.

Dustin.2793:

No matter what happens I got my boys for life. I’d never turn or snitch on my boys. There’s still some people that actually have logic on these forums even though they no longer play. The old community was where it was at. People now a days just look for excuses and to point fingers at anyone to create drama. Guess that’s why this game is dead and the players that flourished are succeeding in life.

Says the now wannabe street thug that sounds suddenly knows about life.
Your ‘boys’ could not even save you from getting caught
If you were actually smart like Naru for example you would not even be here on these forums
I have a sliver of respect more for Naru, than either you or Nos
You guys make yourselves look even more pathetic, while you should be taking the smart approach and just leave.
GG I guess, makes for a nice quote collage to show to my silver, gold, and plat friends.
I’ll call it: ‘What happens when PVP on a video game consumes your life completely and you have nothing else to turn to.’

No, im not upset with the game. I simply dont like the meta and the speed of PvP. Im simply pointing out the ethics of the game.

Take away the salt that some of them are showing right now. Some of the comments are about how they lost X or did X.

Talking about how MT cant win X. They still won the tournament so even the community has serious salt towards the players.

Im not the only one who see’s it. I understand that Jebro can ban them, i understand why Anet perma banned them but my question is simply why and why now?

Aeroxe did the same thing on the thread where Anet banned them, other players have been caught cheating in Pro League, during the seasons, X players have been known to use hacks which are taken down from the forum, people who smurf etc etc etc etc.

Aeroxe simply asked the question of why a life time ban when people who did the same thing got a 1 season ban.

Alot of people are saying NOW Anet wants it to be taken seriously and i just dont believe it. I seem to be missing what everyone is upset with.

In Seasons 1-4 you saw terrible players get legendary titles. Smurfing to create advantages with alt accounts from all these Pro players.

In S5 threw S7 you saw the exact same thing and, you guys say to report it to Anet. Im sorry but the same people who get reported for legit hacking, legit quitting etc etc etc.

They got the smallest slaps on the wrists if anything. Anet has done next to nothing to protect the integrity of the game.

So just from my point of view Anet created this type of atmosphere in the game. For me it doesnt matter that they took PvE players accounts and got them a tournament win.

All i saw was 2 teams play and 1 team won and everyone got upset. I dont understand why everyone is upset when this type of behavior was acceptable for nearly 3 years. For me i thought we had all adjusted to the ethics and morals of GW2.

@Lilyanna Most likely, the only reason Naru isn’t responding on the forums is because he’s banned on them. He’s been actively defending his actions in multiple public PvP Discord servers since before they were actually punished, unlike the rest of his teammates who were at least smart enough to keep their mouths shut. You should see the chat going on in those Discord servers, since it’s 10x worse than anything they’ve been saying on the forums.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

@Lilyanna Most likely, the only reason Naru isn’t responding on the forums is because he’s banned on them. He’s been actively defending his actions in multiple public PvP Discord servers since before they were actually punished, unlike the rest of his teammates who were at least smart enough to keep their mouths shut. You should see the chat going on in those Discord servers, since it’s 10x worse than anything they’ve been saying on the forums.

Invite me to the discord party so I can have “fun” too

discord.gg/JDw2EaX is the Never Lucky one. Most of the Abjured members have since left that Discord after receiving no sympathy, but I think you’re able to see old messages. Naru still keeps rejoining to kittenpost.

I don’t have an invite link for Rar’s discord, but that’s the other major public Discord where the drama was going down.

Rar’s discord is THE major public pvp discord, and there’s a reason you’re not in it.

:)

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

discord.gg/JDw2EaX is the Never Lucky one. Most of the Abjured members have since left that Discord after receiving no sympathy, but I think you’re able to see old messages. Naru still keeps rejoining to kittenpost.

I don’t have an invite link for Rar’s discord, but that’s the other major public Discord where the drama was going down.

That Naru guy seems like a stand up fella I could have long conversations with.

@Olrun
Honestly, why am I not surprised.
I am going to say this: I have never seen pro within a PVP setting or any game that has PVP aspects to it, try and pull down a game this badly.
But to be fair, I never seen this many pros really be active in public forums like this, so I guess GW2 can be famous for revealing all kind of personas and faces that their ‘top players’.
Mind you, I have no qualms with people that are simply good at the game. I can very well say, as of now and the little time I have been on GW2 I am simply a gold tier player and probably will not see plat for at least another six months or even a year.
But it just baffles me how many of these clearly very good players are going out and purposefully sabotaging, griefing, flinging toxic threads, taking under the table money and other unsportman-like practice within this game alone.
Every game has this, no doubt, but GW2 just makes it so clear and so visible, I’m wondering if it was just the kind of crowd that they attracted at the end of the day.
Honestly, Abjured really surprised me and it makes me wonder if pro teams in mobas, first person, or even other mmos can even see any ounce of respect towards them as being on similar skill levels themselves.

kdaddy.5431:

No, im not upset with the game. I simply dont like the meta and the speed of PvP. Im simply pointing out the ethics of the game.

Take away the salt that some of them are showing right now. Some of the comments are about how they lost X or did X.

Talking about how MT cant win X. They still won the tournament so even the community has serious salt towards the players.

Im not the only one who see’s it. I understand that Jebro can ban them, i understand why Anet perma banned them but my question is simply why and why now?

Aeroxe did the same thing on the thread where Anet banned them, other players have been caught cheating in Pro League, during the seasons, X players have been known to use hacks which are taken down from the forum, people who smurf etc etc etc etc.

Aeroxe simply asked the question of why a life time ban when people who did the same thing got a 1 season ban.

Alot of people are saying NOW Anet wants it to be taken seriously and i just dont believe it. I seem to be missing what everyone is upset with.

In Seasons 1-4 you saw terrible players get legendary titles. Smurfing to create advantages with alt accounts from all these Pro players.

In S5 threw S7 you saw the exact same thing and, you guys say to report it to Anet. Im sorry but the same people who get reported for legit hacking, legit quitting etc etc etc.

They got the smallest slaps on the wrists if anything. Anet has done next to nothing to protect the integrity of the game.

So just from my point of view Anet created this type of atmosphere in the game. For me it doesnt matter that they took PvE players accounts and got them a tournament win.

All i saw was 2 teams play and 1 team won and everyone got upset. I dont understand why everyone is upset when this type of behavior was acceptable for nearly 3 years. For me i thought we had all adjusted to the ethics and morals of GW2.

Translation: As long as I don’t get punished for it, it’s ethical.

It sounds to me like you understand perfectly well why ANet did what they did. Why pretend otherwise?

@AliamRationem.5172

I understand why from a moral point of view when we talk about what is right and what is wrong in the purest sense.

Heres the thing, Anet did nothing when smurfing was done Seasons 1-4. How many strikes would that be? Players were purposely teaming up with another elite players 2-3 badge levels below to make the game easier. Ok since Anet does nothing there, we as the community need to adjust to the culture Anet is providing.

There were players caught cheating in the Pro League and they got a 1 year ban. This was in a tournament that had money involved for the players and the sponsors of the teams. From a business stand point it has to look bad when you get sponsors involved and people are cheating. A player on a pro team played for another player, literally pretended to be that other person.

Then we get to Seasons 5-7 where ESL level caliber players are running 2-4 alts in the top 250. Not all of them but some were and that means 1 players is taking the rewards for what should be X amount of players getting. All of a sudden we are in a grey area for me since you can use these alt accounts to set up matches for yourself. Once again the community realizes this and adjusts. There was a thread where ESL players were calling out other ESL players for cheating and comments were removed because they exposed X players alt accounts. In S5 i was almost plat 2 and was literally 30 points away from making the top 250 but i went the other way. Thats fine but with thise response from Anet im like huh? Because i felt a little cheated knowing that 1 player had 3 titles and another had 3 as well. Guess what, I deal with it and understand that its ok. I wasnt good enough to make top 250, its over i understand.

So we get to know, The Abjured played on alt accounts. This is not unheard of, they played fairly and won. Heck Jeff and his team knew and Olruns team knew they were facing the Abjured, they were not cheated. They simply were not good enough to win. This is what Anet has taught us for 7 seasons. For THREE YEARS this is what the NA scene has been for PvP.

Instead people reported this because for what ever reason. Morality, ideology of whats right, the “rules” which we are now implying now.

Heres the thing, in raids Guilds have gotten in game gold for running people threw helping them get AP and legendary gear. Ive heard of Guilds asking for “gifts” items that can be bought from the gem story for real money and given to X Guild for a full run threws if they didnt have in game gold. Players can spend real money to buy legendarys and other items in the game.

Yet these players spent real money to get in game titles they could not get other wise. To me the Abjured could of said no we will sign in under our names and win it for the titles and gear. But they didnt, they provided a service to players and they delivered.

I dont see anything shady especially since the other elite teams knew. I didnt see anything wrong in game because they did not use hacks or cheats. Jeffs team actually should of won. ( it was a great game )

You cant sit here and tell me its ok for Anet to charge money all over the place. For Anet to allow raids to be ran the way they have been ran as well as the way PvP seasons have gone 1-7.

To now perma ban the best team in NA.

Ill give a example, I work at a Hotel and we are a mid tier hotel. Not the nicest of the nice but better then most.

Ive learned that in many other countries there are in house escorts if the guests choose to do so. Ive been asked from people who came from Germany, Sweden, Australia and Canada.

Now i could be like Anet and Jebro and get really mad and frustrated and report the person and let what ever happens. Or i can simply say hey no im sorry we do not provide that here, maybe in Vegas but not here in Seattle.

To me Anet, Jebro, Olrun, this community got upset and put there own views on a situation without taking in any context. This is my opinion and how ive looked at this juicy situation.

This game’s competitive PvP has had lots of issues with being viable, honest, and enjoyable. It is not on the Abjured alone. It is something that has been addressed poorly by Anet in the past, and has worn down good players, and given a platform for toxicity.

However, this singular event and this teams reputation led to this justified outcome, and no prior mistakes in passing judgement in other areas have ANY bearing on this needing to happen. If you are defending these players, I ask you to really grasp this concept and how people should be held accountable; the social impact that it carries.

With The Abjured; they made/continue to make a joke out of themselves, the competitive scene, and those that supported them. In a game mode with so little viability for commercial success to begin with, people like this fed into an already bad situation. By Jebro taking a stand, by Anet being transparent, it shows people that there are those who are willing to at least attempt to be constructive.

I love arrogant PvP’ers. The friction it provides gets people interested, it creates drama, it provides fuel, it gets views.

Dishonesty, and a lack of caring for a community/scene doesn’t help anyone out. My hope is that people keep enforcing a culture that has the maturity to be inclusive, honest, and exciting to watch.

I would ask any and all leaders within this community to set the bar high even when it hurts. This game is so fun to play, and I do believe there has always been potential. If people keep constructively providing Anet and the community with their desires and Anet LISTENS, there’s a foundation here that can be used. I certainly won’t hold my breath, but I hope I can impart some sense of positive outlook for this competitive scene.

I’m a scrub player. I play against the scrubs, I watch the pros.

If there is no pros, then there is nothing to watch. I don’t know how that effects your viewership, but lets hope I’m the only sole person who thinks this way.