Guild Wars 2

This mez perfected the Rotation of Distortion>Stealth>Dodges>Blurred Frenzy and what really annoys me are these blinds on shatters and he is just untouchable!!
Kudos to Hyperion Xnm

Coloxeus.3480:

This mez perfected the Rotation of Distortion>Stealth>Dodges>Blurred Frenzy and what really annoys me are these blinds on shatters and he is just untouchable!!
Kudos to Hyperion Xnm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z6A5Q-7Reg

lol PU… just LOL… NO its not OP in this context and not i’m not saying that because i use it.

I run Dom/Duel/Illu.

Phobos.2879:

Blinds OP?

Pre-patch warrior wants to talk to d/p thief about this, please reply within 3 years time.

The blind is broken since it’s unavoidable, not only mesmer problem though.

Y’know…thief has many blinds too. Anet put the shoe on the other foot.

data.4093:

Y’know…thief has many blinds too. Anet put the shoe on the other foot.

If Thief is blind-spamming then he has no Initiative for other things.

data.4093:

Y’know…thief has many blinds too. Anet put the shoe on the other foot.

I disagree with this ignorant statement.

Morwath.9817:

data.4093:

Y’know…thief has many blinds too. Anet put the shoe on the other foot.

If Thief is blind-spamming then he has no Initiative for other things.

And if the mesmer is using his shatters for blind spam he is gimping his damage.

jportell.2197:

Morwath.9817:

data.4093:

Y’know…thief has many blinds too. Anet put the shoe on the other foot.

If Thief is blind-spamming then he has no Initiative for other things.

And if the mesmer is using his shatters for blind spam he is gimping his damage.

That’s kind of a bad argument considering Mind Wrack does both damage AND blind and it’s not hard to use it for both considering it’s instant cast.

jportell.2197:

And if the mesmer is using his shatters for blind spam he is gimping his damage.

No, not really. You get shatter trigger on enemy you usualy blind because of IP.
Probably all those defensive side effects to Shatters should have drawbacks, like :
-> Your Shatters Blind, but they deal 10% less damage.
-> Your Shatters heal you for XxX amount, but they deal 10% less damage.
-> Your Shatters remove conditions from you, but they deal 10% less damage.

You missed A LOT of Steals. He has GS, so only use F1 when he is on GS.
Aside from this, that spec is definitely in need of some shaving.

While the build may be frustrating to fight, it could have been played better. As said above there were missed steals, but also dodging while in stealth for no reason only to eat damage later on due to low endurance, slow reactions (eating blurred frenzy while spamming attacks into it), and getting knocked out of SR with full endurance near the end (would have been a great time to throw a dodge in there to prevent the GS 5). That’s what I noticed in the once over of the video.

Overall one video of a lost duel =/= OP or anything. Just means something to practice fighting.

Thief got out played by being super predictable, and still kept up pretty well. Don’t see how that’s an imbalance? If anything he can make the same argument how he couldn’t finish you.

Blind on shatter is what makes the match up finally fair.

Also pretty sure mes is running inspiration traits so if two dps builds specing for health regen this is likely to happen.

Go both zerk ammy and no passive survival see what happens, fight will not be as long and if thief gets good engagement it’d be gg.

@Morwath.9817 then other classes should have drawbacks to their specs as well. eg. Medi guard does less dmg for heal on meditations.

Tho yes it shouldn’t blind through evades.

If anything this video shows how even a sloppily played Theif can be almost untouchable lol, at least playing a Mesmer takes some skill.

This guy is also Kronox Xnm , one of the best dueling thieves in the game currently so he knows everything you’re doing which helps alot.

while you played poorly, blinding dissipation is undoubtedly problematic.

two things need to happen:
1. blinding dissipation needs to be evadable/invuln’able/blockable (this is a bug)
2. it needs to be given a cooldown or moved to be a grandmaster trait similar to thief’s cloaked in shadows or elementalist’s blinding ashes.

A thief complaining about blinds and stealth. So much irony it hurts my brain.

Referring to the OP. Mesmers are almost like a thief counter class right now. However, if you have a ranger. You can easily reveal them for a bit preventing them from stealthing. If you time it to a PU mesmer’s mass invisibility, they lost 10 seconds of stealth.

Morwath.9817:

data.4093:

Y’know…thief has many blinds too. Anet put the shoe on the other foot.

If Thief is blind-spamming then he has no Initiative for other things.

BlackTruth.6813:

That’s kind of a bad argument considering Mind Wrack does both damage AND blind and it’s not hard to use it for both considering it’s instant cast.

Morwath.9817:

No, not really. You get shatter trigger on enemy you usualy blind because of IP.
Probably all those defensive side effects to Shatters should have drawbacks, like :
-> Your Shatters Blind, but they deal 10% less damage.
-> Your Shatters heal you for XxX amount, but they deal 10% less damage.
-> Your Shatters remove conditions from you, but they deal 10% less damage.

So if the mesmer blinds 15 times when shattering, it’s unfair. But if the thief blinds 10 times and teleports into an attack then it’s all good. Guess we solved it then. It’s like driving next to a cop, if you go faster you’re breaking the law. But as long as you stay behind or next to him, you’re fine.

sinject.4607:

while you played poorly, blinding dissipation is undoubtedly problematic.

two things need to happen:
1. blinding dissipation needs to be evadable/invuln’able/blockable (this is a bug)

Thief’s shadow shot blinds and teleports, it cannot be blocked. Black powder’s blind field cannot be dodged if you roll through it. Can you dodge/block cloaked in shadow? Are you sure it’s a bug? Or is it being treated like other skills already?(the invulnerable part definitely looks like a bug but I’m not so sure about the other parts)

Wow people here critiquing the thief for missing steals lol. If you were that thief i dont think you would last long in that duel.

Even without pu, that match will be problematic.

Blinding dissipation is super strong when you pair it with distortion, reflects plus stealths.

Also mesmer “mains” fyi the mes was running mental defense, this will. Take the thief a while do a significant burst.

While phants wail at him, shatters with ip so you get on demand blinds on a 12 sec cd aoe, with just the f1’ pair this torch blind and ineptitude, goodluck fighting that mesmer.

You realise that was a Dueling/Chaos/Insp Mesmer, right?? The most defensive version possible.

StickerHappy.8052:

Wow people here critiquing the thief for missing steals lol.

Every thief that misses Steal more than once in the same duel needs to blame himself.

The only time I would call it “fair” to miss a Steal is if the thief was fighting an “old” S/D 20066 thief. Anything other than that, and missing a Steal is a clear mistake.

(<— thief main)

Of course, this has nothing to do with how easy it is to stay alive right now if you’re playing Mesmer. Reduce PU to 66% more stealth and make Blind on Shatter dodgeable, as right now this cancer is polluting too many game modes.

well before patch I met thief who had almost perma evade nobody could hit him even with mesmer gs 1 autoattack and now thieves are crying mesmer is viable choice over them

So let me get this right, thieves has been the hard counter to mesmers for close to three years now. Mesmer finally gets some counterplay and now we are whining? Jesus you guys are pathetic.

Loop.8106:

So let me get this right, thieves has been the hard counter to mesmers for close to three years now. Mesmer finally gets some counterplay and now we are whining? Jesus you guys are pathetic.

Well, Mesmer get the ability to counter all zerk classes now, not just thief.
Hard-counter ranger/ engi with spammable reflect and perma stealth.
Hard-counter Guardian because they basically can never catch you.
Hard-counter Zerk Ele because they need a target for their S/F too.
Hard-counter thief with all the blind/ longer stealth than thief.

I think defending some of the abusive broken traits is more paxxxxxx.

StickerHappy.8052:

Wow people here critiquing the thief for missing steals lol. If you were that thief i dont think you would last long in that duel.

Even without pu, that match will be problematic.

Blinding dissipation is super strong when you pair it with distortion, reflects plus stealths.

Also mesmer “mains” fyi the mes was running mental defense, this will. Take the thief a while do a significant burst.

While phants wail at him, shatters with ip so you get on demand blinds on a 12 sec cd aoe, with just the f1’ pair this torch blind and ineptitude, goodluck fighting that mesmer.

That’s kronos. He’s a guildie of mine (leader) and one of the top duelist on NA multiclass. My thief dueled his mesmer a lot for testing purposes to help him theorize a couple builds. My thief has always forced a stalemate with both of us applying pressure on one another. It definitely doesn’t help to fight a mesmer that knows the mechanics of thief inside and out. And even kronos said that mesmers are broken right now along with eles. He wants both of them shaved.

Anyways, to the thieves out there…For dueling purposes…If you want to do well against this build, I suggest swapping over to s/d with d/p instead of shortbow with energy/blood sigil on it. But believe me when I say, this isn’t even his strongest build. His strongest has no PU in it. And Rylock created a super super strong build that is pretty OP in the hands of a knowledgeable mesmer. Almost impossible to beat but can force a draw. And no, it’s not PU. As for s/d, it does better and applies more pressure and more escape mechanics dueling wise. Also allows you to remove blinds easier. Shortbow is still superior in team fights though.

The thief did very well considering the build and blinds from his opponent. Would be nice if the thieves that solo queue played as well as he did

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

A thief complaining about blinds and stealth. So much irony it hurts my brain.

Mesmer has now the same amount of stealth and Blind but ontop of it better Range DMG/Burst, more Interrupts and deffens Boons.

Imagine if thief would get something like the PU grandmaster over Shadow Reju.
100% more stealth uptime+ Defensiv Boon

Roxx.8713:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

A thief complaining about blinds and stealth. So much irony it hurts my brain.

Mesmer has now the same amount of stealth and Blind but ontop of it better Range DMG/Burst, more Interrupts and deffens Boons.

Imagine if thief would get something like the PU grandmaster over Shadow Reju.
100% more stealth uptime+ Defensiv Boon

And if entire current Shadow Arts would became baseline like they did with IP and other Mesmer traits ;P

There’s really no way to kill that mes with that thief build in the video, possible on bad players but on equal footing no. One thing to take into consideration, the thief need to be more glassy/no survival ability in order to one shot the mes, if he failed he’ll die. The mes however, doesn’t need to go pure glass, he can play pure defensive like the one in the video and still able to kill anyone. There’s no more risky play style for high reward for mes right now, you can play defensive as a mes and still kill people. Heck, even going pure dmg you’ll still survive better than most classess/build as a mes.

Tbh, I blame it all on the fact that we can maxed out 3 trait line. Lots of OP kitten comes out due to that.

Seems no one will be happy until mesmers go back to being pointless to use competitively. Instead of crying for nerfs to other classes, why not actually be productive and suggest changes or buffs to your own classes’ underpowered skills to bring them in line. At least that way you don’t instantly come off as whiny.

Not to mention PU always had the advantage when it came to dueling, even before the patch. When you don’t need to hold a point or quickly kill someone, attrition will win vs a burst spec unless the burster gets really lucky or the other player doesn’t have enough defense. Guess its a good thing dueling and 1v1 aren’t actually game modes huh?

Necrotize.2974:

Seems no one will be happy until mesmers go back to being pointless to use competitively.

Mesmers were used in competitive games.
I would even dare to say : Misha and Helseth were MVP in their teams.

I just came from a match in which an MM necro challenged me ( on Mesmer ) and talked a bunch of kitten about how he’d stomp me.

When he lost, he called me a “scrub” and claimed I was playing “the most broken class in the game.” He went on to say that we would be nerfed and that I should “uninstall.”

This is illustrative of why people are hating Mesmer at the moment. They simply aren’t used to the easy kill being competitive. Y’all need to learn to play against a Mesmer that isn’t going to automatically fold to the first damage spike.

Disclosure: I’m not playing PU. I’m running a confusion shatter build.

hihey.1075:

You missed A LOT of Steals. He has GS, so only use F1 when he is on GS.
Aside from this, that spec is definitely in need of some shaving.

ya and also i missed alot of steals cuz of his aegis from his PU trait while invis. and i didn’t use Bountiful Theft in this match

You missed an opportunity for : Can’t Touch this…

wow this thread becoming viral in this pvp forum!!

Morwath.9817:

Necrotize.2974:

Seems no one will be happy until mesmers go back to being pointless to use competitively.

Mesmers were used in competitive games.
I would even dare to say : Misha and Helseth were MVP in their teams.

If I understand correctly, mesmers could bring unique things to the team, usually via portal, but if the other team had a thief that decided to focus you, it was an uphill battle. Prior to the patch thieves could roam faster than mesmers and +1 a fight faster, all while being able to disable an enemy mesmer rather quickly. Now that mesmers aren’t just thief bait and there’s more build diversity besides shatter portal bot, I think mesmers could become a lot more prominent or even necessary.

Necrotize.2974:

Morwath.9817:

Necrotize.2974:

Seems no one will be happy until mesmers go back to being pointless to use competitively.

Mesmers were used in competitive games.
I would even dare to say : Misha and Helseth were MVP in their teams.

If I understand correctly, mesmers could bring unique things to the team, usually via portal, but if the other team had a thief that decided to focus you, it was an uphill battle. Prior to the patch thieves could roam faster than mesmers and +1 a fight faster, all while being able to disable an enemy mesmer rather quickly. Now that mesmers aren’t just thief bait and there’s more build diversity besides shatter portal bot, I think mesmers could become a lot more prominent or even necessary.

Prior to the patch you ran Thief+Mesmer, you still do so.
Also, no class should be necessary in sPvP. For this reason we have no Monks in GW2.

Morwath.9817:

Necrotize.2974:

Morwath.9817:

Necrotize.2974:

Seems no one will be happy until mesmers go back to being pointless to use competitively.

Mesmers were used in competitive games.
I would even dare to say : Misha and Helseth were MVP in their teams.

If I understand correctly, mesmers could bring unique things to the team, usually via portal, but if the other team had a thief that decided to focus you, it was an uphill battle. Prior to the patch thieves could roam faster than mesmers and +1 a fight faster, all while being able to disable an enemy mesmer rather quickly. Now that mesmers aren’t just thief bait and there’s more build diversity besides shatter portal bot, I think mesmers could become a lot more prominent or even necessary.

Prior to the patch you ran Thief+Mesmer, you still do so.
Also, no class should be necessary in sPvP. For this reason we have no Monks in GW2.

But the issue is that some classes are indeed necessary. Eles are pretty much necessary no matter what game mode you’re in. Warriors bring a lot to the table while also being hard to kill. Like it or not, a meta will evolve and certain team comps will just be plain better at more situations. IIRC, metabattle didn’t even list a meta-tier build for mesmer, just listed shatter as great and all the other builds as good. Because it was so much easier to just run Thief+Guard+Ele+Warrior+something else(usually engi, another ele or even another warrior). Mesmers are finally on par so that they can’t be shut down completely by a well played thief and can be a standalone member of the team.

Ithilwen.1529:

I just came from a match in which an MM necro challenged me ( on Mesmer ) and talked a bunch of kitten about how he’d stomp me.

When he lost, he called me a “scrub” and claimed I was playing “the most broken class in the game.” He went on to say that we would be nerfed and that I should “uninstall.”

This is illustrative of why people are hating Mesmer at the moment. They simply aren’t used to the easy kill being competitive. Y’all need to learn to play against a Mesmer that isn’t going to automatically fold to the first damage spike.

Disclosure: I’m not playing PU. I’m running a confusion shatter build.

I think I’ve encountered that delusional, sorry excuse of a human being. It invited me to duel its MM necro. A trash talker, I almost felt sorry for it. Wanted to duel me with FULL LF. Doesn’t work that way, usually allow the necro to have 15-20% LF but not full. It had to cheat coz it has no skill or talent.

Necrotize.2974:

Seems no one will be happy until mesmers go back to being pointless to use competitively. Instead of crying for nerfs to other classes, why not actually be productive and suggest changes or buffs to your own classes’ underpowered skills to bring them in line. At least that way you don’t instantly come off as whiny.

Not to mention PU always had the advantage when it came to dueling, even before the patch. When you don’t need to hold a point or quickly kill someone, attrition will win vs a burst spec unless the burster gets really lucky or the other player doesn’t have enough defense. Guess its a good thing dueling and 1v1 aren’t actually game modes huh?

“Seems no one will be happy until mesmers go back to being pointless to use competitively by noob players”

Mesmers are always played competitively since forever by veterans, and showed up in ToL and WTS all the time.

Also PU does not benefit just 1 v 1, but EXTREMELY POWERFUL in group fight too, because granting up to 5~10 people 6~10 seconds of stealth in one cast is extremely powerful and useful. Thief requires to waste like 3~4 secs to blast smoke field or 5 seconds SR.

WTB ability to evade the blind.

Kthx.

It’s not like you died instantly, with no chance to counter play. Is it that mesmers can fight back now? Iam not a mes or a thief main, but I generally think the community calls for nerfs to soon. I believe There is a counter to mes out there it’s just not teef anymore and someone will find it soon. If not then they nerf mes and someone else gets crowned king. Then everybody cries about that class and the circle continues.

scudpickle.4219:

It’s not like you died instantly, with no chance to counter play. Is it that mesmers can fight back now? Iam not a mes or a thief main, but I generally think the community calls for nerfs to soon. I believe There is a counter to mes out there it’s just not teef anymore and someone will find it soon. If not then they nerf mes and someone else gets crowned king. Then everybody cries about that class and the circle continues.

If you can’t elaborate as to how you counter Mesmer easily instead of saying “there must be a way, but I don’t know yet”, then your words have no merits at all.

Aomine.5012:

If you can’t elaborate as to how you counter Mesmer easily instead of saying “there must be a way, but I don’t know yet”, then your words have no merits at all.

ele seems to be really nice counter to mes

It’s just my opinion, witch holds merit to me and anyone that agrees with me. Iam not here to please you. My point is that the meta hasn’t settled. There might not be a counter to mes. I believe it’s early to tell

scudpickle.4219:

It’s just my opinion, witch holds merit to me and anyone that agrees with me. Iam not here to please you. My point is that the meta hasn’t settled. There might not be a counter to mes. I believe it’s early to tell

Your point has no merit because you have no example or proof to back you up to begin with. “There might be counter but I don’t know yet” is not a valid proof, and has little credibility whatsoever.

Instead of “waiting for other people to test for you until they create a Meta for you to copy-paste”, how about you try something out to dominate Mesmers first to proof that Mesmer is not OP?

Lol in past thief could kill memser 9 times from 10 in 5 seconds. So it was normal, but now “Mesmers are OP!!!!!1111one”

Your asking me to prove it with a build? Soooooo you want to copy and paste me? If I have a build it’s my choice to share it. like it’s my right to have an opinion. Your opinion is that my words have no merit, that’s your right. I frankly don’t care.

scudpickle.4219:

Your asking me to prove it with a build? Soooooo you want to copy and paste me? If I have a build it’s my choice to share it. like it’s my right to have an opinion. Your opinion is that my words have no merit, that’s your right. I frankly don’t care.

There is argument somewhere flying on the Moon, which could win this discussion.
It’s my right to use it or not and your right is to believe me or not.

“PU MESMER IS A NIGHTMARE”

In the meantime, dude uses so much stealth he can heal twice before getting attacked, (no counterplay), to reingage with a 4k crit, double proc with immob (still no counterplay).

kittenit thieves are so lazy now…