All is vain.
Warrior OP? Let's prove it.
You know what I saw? Five members of a team playing the same class, but with builds that were different enough that they could still support each other as a team. Isn’t that how it should be? Shouldn’t every class be able to perform every role to at least some degree? Isn’t that a good model to base other class updates on? I wouldn’t call diversity broken. Sure, it makes it a bit difficult to be prepared for each build you could come across, but diversity is a good thing.
That’s a good spin but it would still be pretty dumb if in the final match of PAX, it was 5 warriors vs 5 warriors. You would not be able to bring in any new players at all, since it would be obvious that the PvP in the game is extremely broke.
Except, that is never going to happen, ever. Your point is invalid.
Yes because you’re a prophet? IMO it’s heading towards that direction and I think you can expect to see 5 warrior teams in the next major tournament if no major changes in the current meta.
I seriously doubt it. lol
You know, I don’t even have to seriously doubt it. It isn’t going to happen. Maybe if a team decided it would be funny, but then they basically forfeit a win since they aren’t going to win overall with that.
Zanryu , I’m still watiing the vid of my build against decent players.
Video of your build in a 4v5 Tournament. It was all I could get before I went to town.
If all you’re going to do is ask people to post videos so you can debate what they did right or wrong you should probably change the title of the thread to “Warriors OP? Let’s Debate It.”
I feel the title is accurate, seeing as I’m asking for people to show how overpowered Warriors are.
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You know what I saw? Five members of a team playing the same class, but with builds that were different enough that they could still support each other as a team. Isn’t that how it should be? Shouldn’t every class be able to perform every role to at least some degree? Isn’t that a good model to base other class updates on? I wouldn’t call diversity broken. Sure, it makes it a bit difficult to be prepared for each build you could come across, but diversity is a good thing.
That’s a good spin but it would still be pretty dumb if in the final match of PAX, it was 5 warriors vs 5 warriors. You would not be able to bring in any new players at all, since it would be obvious that the PvP in the game is extremely broke.
Except, that is never going to happen, ever. Your point is invalid.
Yes because you’re a prophet? IMO it’s heading towards that direction and I think you can expect to see 5 warrior teams in the next major tournament if no major changes in the current meta.
I seriously doubt it. lol
You know, I don’t even have to seriously doubt it. It isn’t going to happen. Maybe if a team decided it would be funny, but then they basically forfeit a win since they aren’t going to win overall with that.
Considering warrior has the most build diversity right now and can fulfill basically any role, I see good chance of it happening. Ofcourse it will take some time for top teams to adopt the all-warrior meta. But the trend is heading towards that direction.
All is vain.
If all you’re going to do is ask people to post videos so you can debate what they did right or wrong you should probably change the title of the thread to “Warriors OP? Let’s Debate It.”
I feel the title is accurate, seeing as I’m asking for people to show how overpowered Warriors are.
Oh, so that guy thought this was just a warrior hate thread where you post random videos and point and say “c dar, dat dar warz is teh OP kitten ” and everyone just joins in? Come on now, it was obvious experienced warriors were going to debate any of these so called overpowered warrior videos. Our class is under attack unjustly by a group of bad players who like to spread misinformation.
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You know what I saw? Five members of a team playing the same class, but with builds that were different enough that they could still support each other as a team. Isn’t that how it should be? Shouldn’t every class be able to perform every role to at least some degree? Isn’t that a good model to base other class updates on? I wouldn’t call diversity broken. Sure, it makes it a bit difficult to be prepared for each build you could come across, but diversity is a good thing.
That’s a good spin but it would still be pretty dumb if in the final match of PAX, it was 5 warriors vs 5 warriors. You would not be able to bring in any new players at all, since it would be obvious that the PvP in the game is extremely broke.
Except, that is never going to happen, ever. Your point is invalid.
Yes because you’re a prophet? IMO it’s heading towards that direction and I think you can expect to see 5 warrior teams in the next major tournament if no major changes in the current meta.
I seriously doubt it. lol
You know, I don’t even have to seriously doubt it. It isn’t going to happen. Maybe if a team decided it would be funny, but then they basically forfeit a win since they aren’t going to win overall with that.
Considering warrior has the most build diversity right now and can fulfill basically any role, I see good chance of it happening. Ofcourse it will take some time for top teams to adopt the all-warrior meta. But the trend is heading towards that direction.
Yes, warrior can perform in a lot of roles because they are a fairly diverse class and this could help a five warrior team be successful, but it is still highly doubtful. Being diverse and able to specialize in many roles also DOESN’T make a class overpowered, just so you know. Also, while yes they can specialize to perform many roles, they are generally sub-par in many of them and outperformed by another class that does that role better.
Nope , let him post vids of the build I posted above . I’m using this build and havent lost any. 1v1 yet .
So.. what are you wanting.. 1v1? Or tPvP?
tPVP and 8v8 pick up matches!!!! I started a similar thread in the warrior sub forums btw.
Omfg I’m done with those forums , I just noticed you are the same guy that posted a video about warr vs MINION FRIGGIN NECRO . Dude thkse videos are so fail … you were fighting 3v1 and got stomped.and this is supposed to prove that warrior is not OP . Is this some kind of joke or something
Post 1v1 videos no laggy mess and skill vs skill . That was such a poor gameplay …. spamming earthshaker in a BLIND FIELD …… Now I know why people say warr is not OP . Even with all this stuff they can’t win ….. i’m serious im not gonna argue about random crap on these forums ,
Omfg I’m done with those forums , I just noticed you are the same guy that posted a video about warr vs MINION FRIGGIN NECRO . Dude thkse videos are so fail … you were fighting 3v1 and got stomped.and this is supposed to prove that warrior is not OP . Is this some kind of joke or something
Post 1v1 videos no laggy mess and skill vs skill . That was such a poor gameplay …. spamming earthshaker in a BLIND FIELD …… Now I know why people say warr is not OP . Even with all this stuff they can’t win ….. i’m serious im not gonna argue about random crap on these forums ,
You DO realize GW2 is more of a team based game, rather than 1v1 right? Tournament fights will be considered more important. In any case, I’ll try to get some 1v1 fights.
That 2v1 with the Engineer showed nothing. That short fight with a Thief didn’t show anything either. Neither did the fight that followed that, which ended up ending prematurely due to the Sky hammer being used. The 1v1 with the Thief at the Hammer was a matter of you outplaying the thief. They barely even attempted to dodge or lay down smoke fields, and if that’s because they were previously in a fight then you going in with nothing on cooldown and taking down someone who was on cooldown doesn’t show very much either.
No, wait. That Thief was absolutely horrible as seen in the second fight, they barely play to their class strengths. So far it seems to me as if the people you beat aren’t that great and are getting outplayed, regardless of class.
I’m sure people are going to latch onto this video and use it as irrefutable evidence that Warriors are overpowered monsters but I’m not entirely convinced.
You’re out of your mind.
The first thing thief tried to do is to lay down the smoke field to see them doing nothing to the zerker stance warrior.
How biased can someone be?
Just leave the forums now before you compromise yourself even more.
Omfg I’m done with those forums , I just noticed you are the same guy that posted a video about warr vs MINION FRIGGIN NECRO . Dude thkse videos are so fail … you were fighting 3v1 and got stomped.and this is supposed to prove that warrior is not OP . Is this some kind of joke or something
Post 1v1 videos no laggy mess and skill vs skill . That was such a poor gameplay …. spamming earthshaker in a BLIND FIELD …… Now I know why people say warr is not OP . Even with all this stuff they can’t win ….. i’m serious im not gonna argue about random crap on these forums ,
Landing an Earthshaker just outside of a black powder is actually a good idea a lot of times, he probably just missed where he was aiming for because he was trying to do it quickly.
So basically the end of your post goes something like this
All warrior players are bad because according to my calculations on my scrap sheet of paper, they should be demigods. I hate you all. I quit forums!
That 2v1 with the Engineer showed nothing. That short fight with a Thief didn’t show anything either. Neither did the fight that followed that, which ended up ending prematurely due to the Sky hammer being used. The 1v1 with the Thief at the Hammer was a matter of you outplaying the thief. They barely even attempted to dodge or lay down smoke fields, and if that’s because they were previously in a fight then you going in with nothing on cooldown and taking down someone who was on cooldown doesn’t show very much either.
No, wait. That Thief was absolutely horrible as seen in the second fight, they barely play to their class strengths. So far it seems to me as if the people you beat aren’t that great and are getting outplayed, regardless of class.
I’m sure people are going to latch onto this video and use it as irrefutable evidence that Warriors are overpowered monsters but I’m not entirely convinced.
You’re out of your mind.
The first thing thief tried to do is to lay down the smoke field to see them doing nothing to the zerker stance warrior.How biased can someone be?
Just leave the forums now before you compromise yourself even more.
So a thief should always have free blinds on a warrior? lol
Do you understand how damaging blind is to a warrior now that you can’t auto attack it off? Thief should have kited until berserker stance was down or left the hammer until it was down, everyone knows the hammer is great place for cc. The thief was bad to try to fight a hammer warrior in a confined space known for being great for hammer warriors since the day the map released (even before hammer was considered decent).
So a thief should always have free blinds on a warrior? lol
Do you understand how damaging blind is to a warrior now that you can’t auto attack it off? Thief should have kited until berserker stance was down or left the hammer until it was down, everyone knows the hammer is great place for cc. The thief was bad to try to fight a hammer warrior in a confined space known for being great for hammer warriors since the day the map released (even before hammer was considered decent).
So you’re saying that the thief made the mistake of engaging the warrior? HOW DARE HE?
That 2v1 with the Engineer showed nothing. That short fight with a Thief didn’t show anything either. Neither did the fight that followed that, which ended up ending prematurely due to the Sky hammer being used. The 1v1 with the Thief at the Hammer was a matter of you outplaying the thief. They barely even attempted to dodge or lay down smoke fields, and if that’s because they were previously in a fight then you going in with nothing on cooldown and taking down someone who was on cooldown doesn’t show very much either.
No, wait. That Thief was absolutely horrible as seen in the second fight, they barely play to their class strengths. So far it seems to me as if the people you beat aren’t that great and are getting outplayed, regardless of class.
I’m sure people are going to latch onto this video and use it as irrefutable evidence that Warriors are overpowered monsters but I’m not entirely convinced.
its funny that you are calling those players terrible. please tell us your team and solo queue record.
The way these guys talk you would be like “kitten they must really play alot of pvp and be very experienced”. and then you check them out and, for example, this ashanor guy doesnt even play tpvp, or atleast hasnt played in the new meta. and others have like kittenty kittenty win/loss ratios. and yeah, leaderboards are joke, but good players still go up and bad players go down.
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Try posting some videos that are relevant. I will be playing AC IV, I will check back later tonight.
So a thief should always have free blinds on a warrior? lol
Do you understand how damaging blind is to a warrior now that you can’t auto attack it off? Thief should have kited until berserker stance was down or left the hammer until it was down, everyone knows the hammer is great place for cc. The thief was bad to try to fight a hammer warrior in a confined space known for being great for hammer warriors since the day the map released (even before hammer was considered decent).
So you’re saying that the thief made the mistake of engaging the warrior? HOW DARE HE?
Yes, it is a well known imbalanced location for cc. It has been since the map was released (btw, that is a map imbalance, not class imbalance). Also, a thief who sits there trying to spam blind through berserker stance is bad. End of story. The best option isn’t always to try to face tank something, but I guess I see why you think warrior is op if that is how you play.
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That 2v1 with the Engineer showed nothing. That short fight with a Thief didn’t show anything either. Neither did the fight that followed that, which ended up ending prematurely due to the Sky hammer being used. The 1v1 with the Thief at the Hammer was a matter of you outplaying the thief. They barely even attempted to dodge or lay down smoke fields, and if that’s because they were previously in a fight then you going in with nothing on cooldown and taking down someone who was on cooldown doesn’t show very much either.
No, wait. That Thief was absolutely horrible as seen in the second fight, they barely play to their class strengths. So far it seems to me as if the people you beat aren’t that great and are getting outplayed, regardless of class.
I’m sure people are going to latch onto this video and use it as irrefutable evidence that Warriors are overpowered monsters but I’m not entirely convinced.
its funny that you are calling those players terrible. please tell us your team and solo queue record.
The way these guys talk you would be like “kitten they must really play alot of pvp and be very experienced”. and then you check them out and, for example, this ashanor guy doesnt even play tpvp, or atleast hasnt played in the new meta. and others have like kittenty kittenty win/loss ratios. and yeah, leaderboards are joke, but good players still go up and bad players go down.
Funny how you always try to resort back to insulting people over ranks. lol
I guess when all else fails, insult and defame people. Hey, it works for politics, why not video game forums!
You’re out of your mind.
The first thing thief tried to do is to lay down the smoke field to see them doing nothing to the zerker stance warrior.How biased can someone be?
Just leave the forums now before you compromise yourself even more.
I noticed they tried in other fights, but during the one on Hammer they only laid one. Also, as I said, they barely dodged. You need to learn to comprehend what other people say. Take the time to properly process it before you post.
If you’d like to contribute something useful we’re all waiting.
So a thief should always have free blinds on a warrior? lol
Do you understand how damaging blind is to a warrior now that you can’t auto attack it off? Thief should have kited until berserker stance was down or left the hammer until it was down, everyone knows the hammer is great place for cc. The thief was bad to try to fight a hammer warrior in a confined space known for being great for hammer warriors since the day the map released (even before hammer was considered decent).
So you’re saying that the thief made the mistake of engaging the warrior? HOW DARE HE?
If your strategy is to apply conditions, then yes, it would be smart to wait for Berserker Stance to wear off before engaging the Warrior via running away or exiting the Sky Hammer via the portal. It’s a widely used tactic and as much as I hate having it done to me, I can see the usefulness. You don’t go headfirst into somebody that’s got Stability up with a Stun or Fear in the same way you shouldn’t engage a Warrior with Berserker Stances up with a strategy involving conditions.
That 2v1 with the Engineer showed nothing. That short fight with a Thief didn’t show anything either. Neither did the fight that followed that, which ended up ending prematurely due to the Sky hammer being used. The 1v1 with the Thief at the Hammer was a matter of you outplaying the thief. They barely even attempted to dodge or lay down smoke fields, and if that’s because they were previously in a fight then you going in with nothing on cooldown and taking down someone who was on cooldown doesn’t show very much either.
No, wait. That Thief was absolutely horrible as seen in the second fight, they barely play to their class strengths. So far it seems to me as if the people you beat aren’t that great and are getting outplayed, regardless of class.
I’m sure people are going to latch onto this video and use it as irrefutable evidence that Warriors are overpowered monsters but I’m not entirely convinced.
its funny that you are calling those players terrible. please tell us your team and solo queue record.
The way these guys talk you would be like “kitten they must really play alot of pvp and be very experienced”. and then you check them out and, for example, this ashanor guy doesnt even play tpvp, or atleast hasnt played in the new meta. and others have like kittenty kittenty win/loss ratios. and yeah, leaderboards are joke, but good players still go up and bad players go down.
Funny how you always try to resort back to insulting people over ranks. lol
I guess when all else fails, insult and defame people. Hey, it works for politics, why not video game forums!
cant you read? i said you dont play tpvp! zzzzz and leaderboard win/loss ratio is a valid argument against ones knowledge of the game when the ratio is really really low… i mean, one of the arguments zanryu keeps tossing out is that people need to l2p agaisnt warrior when he is a terrible player himself lol
Here is proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDhWCwlXX20
You know what I saw? Five members of a team playing the same class, but with builds that were different enough that they could still support each other as a team. Isn’t that how it should be? Shouldn’t every class be able to perform every role to at least some degree? Isn’t that a good model to base other class updates on? I wouldn’t call diversity broken. Sure, it makes it a bit difficult to be prepared for each build you could come across, but diversity is a good thing.
You know what I saw? A profession that needs to be nerfed into the ground. Jonathan Sharp said that if you saw team compositions that were running double of a particular profession it was a clear indicator that profession was out of line and needed to be nerfed.
5 Warriors = mega-nerf.
That 2v1 with the Engineer showed nothing. That short fight with a Thief didn’t show anything either. Neither did the fight that followed that, which ended up ending prematurely due to the Sky hammer being used. The 1v1 with the Thief at the Hammer was a matter of you outplaying the thief. They barely even attempted to dodge or lay down smoke fields, and if that’s because they were previously in a fight then you going in with nothing on cooldown and taking down someone who was on cooldown doesn’t show very much either.
No, wait. That Thief was absolutely horrible as seen in the second fight, they barely play to their class strengths. So far it seems to me as if the people you beat aren’t that great and are getting outplayed, regardless of class.
I’m sure people are going to latch onto this video and use it as irrefutable evidence that Warriors are overpowered monsters but I’m not entirely convinced.
its funny that you are calling those players terrible. please tell us your team and solo queue record.
The way these guys talk you would be like “kitten they must really play alot of pvp and be very experienced”. and then you check them out and, for example, this ashanor guy doesnt even play tpvp, or atleast hasnt played in the new meta. and others have like kittenty kittenty win/loss ratios. and yeah, leaderboards are joke, but good players still go up and bad players go down.
Funny how you always try to resort back to insulting people over ranks. lol
I guess when all else fails, insult and defame people. Hey, it works for politics, why not video game forums!
cant you read? i said you dont play tpvp! zzzzz and leaderboard win/loss ratio is a valid argument against ones knowledge of the game when the ratio is really really low… i mean, one of the arguments zanryu keeps tossing out is that people need to l2p agaisnt warrior when he is a terrible player himself lol
Have you watched all his videos, or at least one or two besides the one he posted simply to prove a point? How do you know he is really bad? You don’t.
Keep thinking peoples opinions don’t matter simply because they don’t care to put together a decent tPvP team or think solo queue is a joke though. It’s funny, really.
Also, my team PvP score really isn’t that bad for someone who did nothing but queued solo and did it pre warrior buffs. I was at like 95% or higher (can’t remember how high they went) before I stopped playing tPvP out of boredom. It is 65% or so now because I haven’t touched it in who knows how long.
It doesn’t matter though, as I have already said before. Now, I am going to play some AC IV. Stop arguing and post your “proof” already.
You’re out of your mind.
The first thing thief tried to do is to lay down the smoke field to see them doing nothing to the zerker stance warrior.How biased can someone be?
Just leave the forums now before you compromise yourself even more.I noticed they tried in other fights, but during the one on Hammer they only laid one. Also, as I said, they barely dodged. You need to learn to comprehend what other people say. Take the time to properly process it before you post.
If you’d like to contribute something useful we’re all waiting.
So a thief should always have free blinds on a warrior? lol
Do you understand how damaging blind is to a warrior now that you can’t auto attack it off? Thief should have kited until berserker stance was down or left the hammer until it was down, everyone knows the hammer is great place for cc. The thief was bad to try to fight a hammer warrior in a confined space known for being great for hammer warriors since the day the map released (even before hammer was considered decent).
So you’re saying that the thief made the mistake of engaging the warrior? HOW DARE HE?
If your strategy is to apply conditions, then yes, it would be smart to wait for Berserker Stance to wear off before engaging the Warrior via running away or exiting the Sky Hammer via the portal. It’s a widely used tactic and as much as I hate having it done to me, I can see the usefulness. You don’t go headfirst into somebody that’s got Stability up with a Stun or Fear in the same way you shouldn’t engage a Warrior with Berserker Stances up with a strategy involving conditions.
He barely dodged?
Have you even watched the video?
They were CCed the whole time, they even used their stunbreakers without success.
You can’t dodge while you are stunned, nor you can’t predict a close range Earthshaker or a Fear Me.
The thief engaged the warrior when he was on hammer, he tried to burst him down with no success at all.
Sensotix didn’t even cared about him bursting for a whole 4s. Then he left the hammer and rip the thief apart with stuns while in zerker stance.
The thief didn’t even had the chance to escape after he realized that Warrior popped zerker stance.
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Here is proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDhWCwlXX20
You know what I saw? Five members of a team playing the same class, but with builds that were different enough that they could still support each other as a team. Isn’t that how it should be? Shouldn’t every class be able to perform every role to at least some degree? Isn’t that a good model to base other class updates on? I wouldn’t call diversity broken. Sure, it makes it a bit difficult to be prepared for each build you could come across, but diversity is a good thing.
You know what I saw? A profession that needs to be nerfed into the ground. Jonathan Sharp said that if you saw team compositions that were running double of a particular profession it was a clear indicator that profession was out of line and needed to be nerfed.
5 Warriors = mega-nerf.
That’s a blanket statement, there are definitely times when that’s viable and does not justify a nerf. Assuming everything is on even terms for the sake of argument, let’s say there was a DPS Warrior and a Bunker Warrior. They both use two very different styles of play and do different things, however because they’re on the same team that justifies some form of nerf to either playstyle? That makes no sense.
If there was a super build running around that could decimate all other builds of all other professions I’d be worried, but as it stands I don’t believe build diversity is a negative thing.
Here is proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDhWCwlXX20
You know what I saw? Five members of a team playing the same class, but with builds that were different enough that they could still support each other as a team. Isn’t that how it should be? Shouldn’t every class be able to perform every role to at least some degree? Isn’t that a good model to base other class updates on? I wouldn’t call diversity broken. Sure, it makes it a bit difficult to be prepared for each build you could come across, but diversity is a good thing.
You know what I saw? A profession that needs to be nerfed into the ground. Jonathan Sharp said that if you saw team compositions that were running double of a particular profession it was a clear indicator that profession was out of line and needed to be nerfed.
5 Warriors = mega-nerf.
Except it wasn’t a pro team and he was generally referring to multiple players playing the same build. I also don’t agree with his assertion that two of a profession means they are “out of line” personally. For instance, the only reason people anyone would bring two warriors is to counter the multiple condition spammers.
If your strategy is to apply conditions, then yes, it would be smart to wait for Berserker Stance to wear off before engaging the Warrior via running away or exiting the Sky Hammer via the portal. It’s a widely used tactic and as much as I hate having it done to me, I can see the usefulness. You don’t go headfirst into somebody that’s got Stability up with a Stun or Fear in the same way you shouldn’t engage a Warrior with Berserker Stances up with a strategy involving conditions.
and you don’t see something wrong with the fact that the only counter play is to wait 8-10 secs for the skill to wear off? specially for a build that is mechanically designed to counter bunkers and healing? his strategy has to be to concede 8-10sec of uninterrupted/unimpeded healing?
you want to know why you made this thread? because you don’t actually know what’s wrong with warriors
Hackkz/Riggamaroll
I’ve stayed at this party entirely too long
I’ve stayed at this party entirely too long
You’re out of your mind.
The first thing thief tried to do is to lay down the smoke field to see them doing nothing to the zerker stance warrior.How biased can someone be?
Just leave the forums now before you compromise yourself even more.I noticed they tried in other fights, but during the one on Hammer they only laid one. Also, as I said, they barely dodged. You need to learn to comprehend what other people say. Take the time to properly process it before you post.
If you’d like to contribute something useful we’re all waiting.
So a thief should always have free blinds on a warrior? lol
Do you understand how damaging blind is to a warrior now that you can’t auto attack it off? Thief should have kited until berserker stance was down or left the hammer until it was down, everyone knows the hammer is great place for cc. The thief was bad to try to fight a hammer warrior in a confined space known for being great for hammer warriors since the day the map released (even before hammer was considered decent).
So you’re saying that the thief made the mistake of engaging the warrior? HOW DARE HE?
If your strategy is to apply conditions, then yes, it would be smart to wait for Berserker Stance to wear off before engaging the Warrior via running away or exiting the Sky Hammer via the portal. It’s a widely used tactic and as much as I hate having it done to me, I can see the usefulness. You don’t go headfirst into somebody that’s got Stability up with a Stun or Fear in the same way you shouldn’t engage a Warrior with Berserker Stances up with a strategy involving conditions.
He barely dodged?
Have you even watched the video?
They were CCed the whole time, they even used their stunbreakers without success.
You can’t dodge while you are stunned, nor you can’t predict a close range Earthshaker or a Fear Me.The thief engaged the warrior when he was on hammer, he tried to burst him down with no success at all.
Sensotix didn’t even cared about him bursting for a whole 4s. Then he left the hammer and rip the thief apart with stuns while in zerker stance.The thief didn’t even had the chance to escape after he realized that Warrior popped zerker stance.
Umm Shadowstep to portal and press the use button? He could have escaped if he wanted to.
Still, hardly a place to try to call for balance to a class. The hammer in skyhammer is well known for being a cc fest area because of the limited space. You can’t pick the absolute best place in the entire game a hammer warrior could pick a fight and justify a warrior nerf based on that. It’s a biased argument, the map is the problem, not the class.
If your strategy is to apply conditions, then yes, it would be smart to wait for Berserker Stance to wear off before engaging the Warrior via running away or exiting the Sky Hammer via the portal. It’s a widely used tactic and as much as I hate having it done to me, I can see the usefulness. You don’t go headfirst into somebody that’s got Stability up with a Stun or Fear in the same way you shouldn’t engage a Warrior with Berserker Stances up with a strategy involving conditions.
and you don’t see something wrong with the fact that the only counter play is to wait 8-10 secs for the skill to wear off? specially for a build that is mechanically designed to counter bunkers and healing? his strategy has to be to concede 8-10sec of uninterrupted/unimpeded healing?
you want to know why you made this thread? because you don’t actually know what’s wrong with warriors
I didn’t know Berserker stance prevented stuns, direct damage, and dodge rolls. If you want to rely on conditions you’ll have to kite Berserker Stance, that’s a given. It doesn’t block direct damage or stuns though, so even with the stance up Warriors can still be taken down. What do you do when someone uses Stability? You either kite it off or you go in with conditions or direct damage rather than use stuns or fear.
Zanryu lets get these videos up so we can keep this thread on track. Berseker stance lasts 8 seconds even when traited with stance duration. Stability last 8.5 seconds hardly a game breaker.
If all the qq warrior people really wanted a nerf they would post evidence supporting their claims. So far I haven’t seen any evidence of these demi god hulk beast warriors.
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That 2v1 with the Engineer showed nothing. That short fight with a Thief didn’t show anything either. Neither did the fight that followed that, which ended up ending prematurely due to the Sky hammer being used. The 1v1 with the Thief at the Hammer was a matter of you outplaying the thief. They barely even attempted to dodge or lay down smoke fields, and if that’s because they were previously in a fight then you going in with nothing on cooldown and taking down someone who was on cooldown doesn’t show very much either.
No, wait. That Thief was absolutely horrible as seen in the second fight, they barely play to their class strengths. So far it seems to me as if the people you beat aren’t that great and are getting outplayed, regardless of class.
I’m sure people are going to latch onto this video and use it as irrefutable evidence that Warriors are overpowered monsters but I’m not entirely convinced.
its funny that you are calling those players terrible. please tell us your team and solo queue record.
The way these guys talk you would be like “kitten they must really play alot of pvp and be very experienced”. and then you check them out and, for example, this ashanor guy doesnt even play tpvp, or atleast hasnt played in the new meta. and others have like kittenty kittenty win/loss ratios. and yeah, leaderboards are joke, but good players still go up and bad players go down.
Funny how you always try to resort back to insulting people over ranks. lol
I guess when all else fails, insult and defame people. Hey, it works for politics, why not video game forums!
cant you read? i said you dont play tpvp! zzzzz and leaderboard win/loss ratio is a valid argument against ones knowledge of the game when the ratio is really really low… i mean, one of the arguments zanryu keeps tossing out is that people need to l2p agaisnt warrior when he is a terrible player himself lol
Have you watched all his videos, or at least one or two besides the one he posted simply to prove a point? How do you know he is really bad? You don’t.
Keep thinking peoples opinions don’t matter simply because they don’t care to put together a decent tPvP team or think solo queue is a joke though. It’s funny, really.
Also, my team PvP score really isn’t that bad for someone who did nothing but queued solo and did it pre warrior buffs. I was at like 95% or higher (can’t remember how high they went) before I stopped playing tPvP out of boredom. It is 65% or so now because I haven’t touched it in who knows how long.
It doesn’t matter though, as I have already said before. Now, I am going to play some AC IV. Stop arguing and post your “proof” already.
I SAID, that you’re arguments are crap because you havent played tpvp in the current meta!!!! Therefor you have no possible knowledge of the state of warrior in tpvp. Now refute this argument.
He is really bad, not only because he posted a video of him playing like a complete braindead person, but also because he has a 30% win ratio. Good players dont loose 70% of their matches.
If your strategy is to apply conditions, then yes, it would be smart to wait for Berserker Stance to wear off before engaging the Warrior via running away or exiting the Sky Hammer via the portal. It’s a widely used tactic and as much as I hate having it done to me, I can see the usefulness. You don’t go headfirst into somebody that’s got Stability up with a Stun or Fear in the same way you shouldn’t engage a Warrior with Berserker Stances up with a strategy involving conditions.
and you don’t see something wrong with the fact that the only counter play is to wait 8-10 secs for the skill to wear off? specially for a build that is mechanically designed to counter bunkers and healing? his strategy has to be to concede 8-10sec of uninterrupted/unimpeded healing?
you want to know why you made this thread? because you don’t actually know what’s wrong with warriors
So? I have to wait for stability to drop off of a class that pops one before I can cc them. How is a blind spammer having to wait for berserker stance any different? It’s not.
His videos are biased aswell . He fights 3v1 , pops all utilities all at once , tryes to spam earthshaker when he’s blinded …
His next video gonna be him jumping off a cliff and then saying warrior is not OP becausehe got one shootted . Btw sensotix is r53 and this guy is 19 or something .
That 2v1 with the Engineer showed nothing. That short fight with a Thief didn’t show anything either. Neither did the fight that followed that, which ended up ending prematurely due to the Sky hammer being used. The 1v1 with the Thief at the Hammer was a matter of you outplaying the thief. They barely even attempted to dodge or lay down smoke fields, and if that’s because they were previously in a fight then you going in with nothing on cooldown and taking down someone who was on cooldown doesn’t show very much either.
No, wait. That Thief was absolutely horrible as seen in the second fight, they barely play to their class strengths. So far it seems to me as if the people you beat aren’t that great and are getting outplayed, regardless of class.
I’m sure people are going to latch onto this video and use it as irrefutable evidence that Warriors are overpowered monsters but I’m not entirely convinced.
its funny that you are calling those players terrible. please tell us your team and solo queue record.
The way these guys talk you would be like “kitten they must really play alot of pvp and be very experienced”. and then you check them out and, for example, this ashanor guy doesnt even play tpvp, or atleast hasnt played in the new meta. and others have like kittenty kittenty win/loss ratios. and yeah, leaderboards are joke, but good players still go up and bad players go down.
Funny how you always try to resort back to insulting people over ranks. lol
I guess when all else fails, insult and defame people. Hey, it works for politics, why not video game forums!
cant you read? i said you dont play tpvp! zzzzz and leaderboard win/loss ratio is a valid argument against ones knowledge of the game when the ratio is really really low… i mean, one of the arguments zanryu keeps tossing out is that people need to l2p agaisnt warrior when he is a terrible player himself lol
Have you watched all his videos, or at least one or two besides the one he posted simply to prove a point? How do you know he is really bad? You don’t.
Keep thinking peoples opinions don’t matter simply because they don’t care to put together a decent tPvP team or think solo queue is a joke though. It’s funny, really.
Also, my team PvP score really isn’t that bad for someone who did nothing but queued solo and did it pre warrior buffs. I was at like 95% or higher (can’t remember how high they went) before I stopped playing tPvP out of boredom. It is 65% or so now because I haven’t touched it in who knows how long.
It doesn’t matter though, as I have already said before. Now, I am going to play some AC IV. Stop arguing and post your “proof” already.
I SAID, that you’re arguments are crap because you havent played tpvp in the current meta!!!! Therefor you have no possible knowledge of the state of warrior in tpvp. Now refute this argument.
He is really bad, not only because he posted a video of him playing like a complete braindead person, but also because he has a 30% win ratio. Good players dont loose 70% of their matches.
34% win ratio in team queue, 38% in solo.
Either way, my teams performance in either of those doesn’t accurately reflect my ability as a player, seeing as those results come from the whole of my team vs the whole of our opponent’s team.
Oh, and I don’t get to pick my teammates in solo.
I’m beginning to think everyone should just stop responding to you as you offer nothing to the conversation.
let’s play another game now:
let’s show how thieves are OP 1v1 against any other class
Thief might not be as strong as last year
but they’re a lot stronger
than they will be next year!
but they’re a lot stronger
than they will be next year!
34% win ratio in team queue, 38% in solo.
Either way, my teams performance in either of those doesn’t accurately reflect my ability as a player, seeing as those results come from the whole of my team vs the whole of our opponent’s team.
Oh, and I don’t get to pick my teammates in solo.
I’m beginning to think everyone should just stop responding to you as you offer nothing to the conversation.
no, i am giving you a very valid argument. good players go up in the leaderboards, bad players go down. You can easily see this by searching known good players of this game and checking their solo queue stats. Everyone has a chance of getting bad players, the same chance as you.
Point is, good players DONT have a 30%, im sorry, 38% win ratio.
Umm Shadowstep to portal and press the use button? He could have escaped if he wanted to.
Still, hardly a place to try to call for balance to a class. The hammer in skyhammer is well known for being a cc fest area because of the limited space. You can’t pick the absolute best place in the entire game a hammer warrior could pick a fight and justify a warrior nerf based on that. It’s a biased argument, the map is the problem, not the class.
What makes you think that the thief had Shadowstep on his bar and that it was available?
Watch the whole Sensotix video. He didn’t lose any of the fights despite the fact that he has said that he isn’t the best warrior around, nor the more experienced.
Sensotix is also pretty high on the leaderboard, so it is safe to assume that those people aren’t the most inexperienced people ever.
Still, Sensotix, armed with the only knowledge of the basis of the game, without any experience on Warrior whatsoever, managed to win 2vs1 situations with extreme ease and not only on the hammer room, situations in which any other profession isn’t capable to get over with ease even on the highest skill level.
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If your strategy is to apply conditions, then yes, it would be smart to wait for Berserker Stance to wear off before engaging the Warrior via running away or exiting the Sky Hammer via the portal. It’s a widely used tactic and as much as I hate having it done to me, I can see the usefulness. You don’t go headfirst into somebody that’s got Stability up with a Stun or Fear in the same way you shouldn’t engage a Warrior with Berserker Stances up with a strategy involving conditions.
and you don’t see something wrong with the fact that the only counter play is to wait 8-10 secs for the skill to wear off? specially for a build that is mechanically designed to counter bunkers and healing? his strategy has to be to concede 8-10sec of uninterrupted/unimpeded healing?
you want to know why you made this thread? because you don’t actually know what’s wrong with warriors
I didn’t know Berserker stance prevented stuns, direct damage, and dodge rolls. If you want to rely on conditions you’ll have to kite Berserker Stance, that’s a given. It doesn’t block direct damage or stuns though, so even with the stance up Warriors can still be taken down. What do you do when someone uses Stability? You either kite it off or you go in with conditions or direct damage rather than use stuns or fear.
stuns don’t turn off healing signet, direct damage doesn’t counter healing, dodge rolls having nothing to do with any of it.
care to keep trying?
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wow. warrior OP? how come I see engineers still owning them like it’s nothing? How come I still necros dominating warriors, even if they have zerker stance/stability?
How come spirit rangers wreck these “OP” warriors? Why have I been seeing d/d eles still owning warriors in Wvw?
If you happen to be against a warrior and you see that he has stability up, then why waste your CC’s when it’s up? just wait it out, kite, keep your distance if they’re not using bow. Stability skills still have long CD’s and they’re not going to be up 24/7 :P Warriors can still be crippled, chilled and immobilized but it’s more effective in Pvp than Wvw of course, because they usually only have a 33% reduction on slowing effects, whereas in Wvw/Pve, they can just go 98%condition reduction, then you might want to worry.
This guy.. kitten’s just too funny.. lmfao
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If your strategy is to apply conditions, then yes, it would be smart to wait for Berserker Stance to wear off before engaging the Warrior via running away or exiting the Sky Hammer via the portal. It’s a widely used tactic and as much as I hate having it done to me, I can see the usefulness. You don’t go headfirst into somebody that’s got Stability up with a Stun or Fear in the same way you shouldn’t engage a Warrior with Berserker Stances up with a strategy involving conditions.
and you don’t see something wrong with the fact that the only counter play is to wait 8-10 secs for the skill to wear off? specially for a build that is mechanically designed to counter bunkers and healing? his strategy has to be to concede 8-10sec of uninterrupted/unimpeded healing?
you want to know why you made this thread? because you don’t actually know what’s wrong with warriors
I didn’t know Berserker stance prevented stuns, direct damage, and dodge rolls. If you want to rely on conditions you’ll have to kite Berserker Stance, that’s a given. It doesn’t block direct damage or stuns though, so even with the stance up Warriors can still be taken down. What do you do when someone uses Stability? You either kite it off or you go in with conditions or direct damage rather than use stuns or fear.
stuns don’t turn off healing signet, direct damage doesn’t counter healing, dodge rolls having nothing to do with any of it.
care to keep trying?
True. Uh.. yes it does? Dodge rolls allow you to dodge CC or large amounts of damage if properly timed.
Do you care to keep trying?
Umm Shadowstep to portal and press the use button? He could have escaped if he wanted to.
Still, hardly a place to try to call for balance to a class. The hammer in skyhammer is well known for being a cc fest area because of the limited space. You can’t pick the absolute best place in the entire game a hammer warrior could pick a fight and justify a warrior nerf based on that. It’s a biased argument, the map is the problem, not the class.
What makes you think that the thief had Shadowstep on his bar and that it was available?
Watch the whole Sensotix video. He didn’t lose any of the fights despite the fact that he has said that he isn’t the best warrior around, nor the more experienced.
Sensotix is also pretty high on the leaderboard, so it is safe to assume that those people aren’t the most inexperienced people ever.
Still, Sensotix, armed with the only knowledge of the basis of the game, without any experience on Warrior whatsoever, managed to win 2vs1 situations with extreme ease and not only on the hammer room, situations in which any other profession isn’t capable to get over with ease even on the highest skill level.
I have done the same with a mesmer, with hardly any knowledge about the class (like 6-8 months ago). I basically looked for a build and copied it then briefly read my skills (about 3 minutes) and jumped in some games and was taking people down 2 and 3 vs 1. You didn’t see me posting videos or crying on the forums about mesmers.
this thread is waaaaaaaaaaaay off track and slowly becoming a troll forum.
I have done the same with a mesmer, with hardly any knowledge about the class (like 6-8 months ago). I basically looked for a build and copied it then briefly read my skills (about 3 minutes) and jumped in some games and was taking people down 2 and 3 vs 1. You didn’t see me posting videos or crying on the forums about mesmers.
First, 6 months ago, phantasm mesmer was as OP as Warrior is now and, guess what, it was rightfully nerfed.
Second, there is no reason for me to believe what you’re saying.
Third, 6 months ago there wasn’t even SoloQ and the matchmaking was pretty much random. Assuming you’re an average skilled player, chances you were matched with scrubs are definitely higher compared to chances of Sensotix being matched against bad players.
At the end of the day, the fact that you might have won a 2vs1 6 months ago is completely irrelevant and it is just another example of anecdotal evidences you guys are keep bringing.
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This post written from the perspective of a Mesmer.
Warriors have a lot of abilities that allow them to perform very effectively when under unfocused pressure, and this makes them quite strong in team fights (and WvW zerging). However, in a 1 vs 1 situation, this isn’t really the case.
Almost all warrior attacks are slow and obvious. The only way to land them is by using equally slow and obvious disables. A good player will dodge the damage and disables, as well as carrying a few stunbreaks just for good measure.
I haven’t yet met a warrior I couldn’t beat. The only part of the class that is irritating is their insane disengage and running ability.
I have done the same with a mesmer, with hardly any knowledge about the class (like 6-8 months ago). I basically looked for a build and copied it then briefly read my skills (about 3 minutes) and jumped in some games and was taking people down 2 and 3 vs 1. You didn’t see me posting videos or crying on the forums about mesmers.
First, 6 months ago, phantasm mesmer was insanely OP and, guess what, it was rightfully nerfed.
Second, there is no reason to me to believe what you’re saying.
Third, were you in top 100 leaderboard 6 months ago? Because if you are in top 100 you are probably going to be matched with top 100 players, meaning that there won’t be such an high skill disparity between players.
Oh, wait, 6 months ago there wasn’t even SoloQ and the matchmaking was pretty much random, so…
I never said it was in tPvP. Saying I jumped in some games pretty much implies hotjoin, and it also wasn’t a phantasm build. I wouldn’t have jumped into tPvP matches on a class I didn’t know, especially when I only joined solo. I am also not responding to you anymore as you are not bringing anything worthwhile to this conversation either.
I never said it was in tPvP. Saying I jumped in some games pretty much implies hotjoin, and it also wasn’t a phantasm build. I wouldn’t have jumped into tPvP matches on a class I didn’t know, especially when I only joined solo. I am also not responding to you anymore as you are not bringing anything worthwhile to this conversation either.
I’m under the impression that you don’t want to have a discussion at all.
We have brought proofs.
High-level players have spoken and said their opinion about the Warriors.
We have brought logical and even mathematical evidences in support of our arguments.
You are refusing them all saying that 6 months ago you’ve jumped in an hotjoin match and you managed to kill 3 people as a mesmer?
Is this really your counter argument to the fact that at high level play, Sensotix jumped on a profession he never played and managed to get results every other profession can only dream of..?
I mean, do you even realize the argument you’re bringing? And then you say that I’m not bringing anything worthwhile to the conversation?
Seriously?
You have no “proof”. Unless proof is a soloQ player playing a hammer warrior and owning a few unsuspecting (and not that good of) players in the hammer of skyhammer, a place that is WELL KNOWN for being an awesome spot for warriors and cc since the map was released. Once again, you are trying to abuse an issue with a map to prove a point about a class. People used to run hammer and cc builds and just sit in there all day, even before hammer was considered part of the warrior meta.
You people are so ridiculous I just can’t stop responding to your troll attempts. Must have self control.
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I never said it was in tPvP. Saying I jumped in some games pretty much implies hotjoin, and it also wasn’t a phantasm build. I wouldn’t have jumped into tPvP matches on a class I didn’t know, especially when I only joined solo. I am also not responding to you anymore as you are not bringing anything worthwhile to this conversation either.
I’m under the impression that you don’t want to have a discussion at all.
We have brought proofs.
High-level players have spoken and said their opinion about the Warriors.
We have brought logical and even mathematical evidences in support of our arguments.You are refusing them all saying that 6 months ago you’ve jumped in an hotjoin match and you managed to kill 3 people as a mesmer?
Is this really your counter argument to the fact that at high level play, Sensotix jumped on a profession he never played and managed to get results every other profession can only dream of..?I mean, do you even realize the argument you’re bringing? And then you say that I’m not bringing anything worthwhile to the conversation?
Seriously?
Kind of like the one where he only actually had one fight that would even slightly demonstrate what people are talking about, and even then it really didn’t?
Legit.
Here is proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDhWCwlXX20
You know what I saw? Five members of a team playing the same class, but with builds that were different enough that they could still support each other as a team. Isn’t that how it should be? Shouldn’t every class be able to perform every role to at least some degree? Isn’t that a good model to base other class updates on? I wouldn’t call diversity broken. Sure, it makes it a bit difficult to be prepared for each build you could come across, but diversity is a good thing.
You know what I saw? A profession that needs to be nerfed into the ground. Jonathan Sharp said that if you saw team compositions that were running double of a particular profession it was a clear indicator that profession was out of line and needed to be nerfed.
5 Warriors = mega-nerf.
Except it wasn’t a pro team and he was generally referring to multiple players playing the same build. I also don’t agree with his assertion that two of a profession means they are “out of line” personally. For instance, the only reason people anyone would bring two warriors is to counter the multiple condition spammers.
But warrior was never a counter to condition damage, conditions were his weak spot, he was the anti-direct damage class. Se his high health, regen, armor,… no condition cleanses at the beginning. But then he got condition removes in every patch and now he has no weakspot.
Here is proof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDhWCwlXX20
You know what I saw? Five members of a team playing the same class, but with builds that were different enough that they could still support each other as a team. Isn’t that how it should be? Shouldn’t every class be able to perform every role to at least some degree? Isn’t that a good model to base other class updates on? I wouldn’t call diversity broken. Sure, it makes it a bit difficult to be prepared for each build you could come across, but diversity is a good thing.
You know what I saw? A profession that needs to be nerfed into the ground. Jonathan Sharp said that if you saw team compositions that were running double of a particular profession it was a clear indicator that profession was out of line and needed to be nerfed.
5 Warriors = mega-nerf.
Except it wasn’t a pro team and he was generally referring to multiple players playing the same build. I also don’t agree with his assertion that two of a profession means they are “out of line” personally. For instance, the only reason people anyone would bring two warriors is to counter the multiple condition spammers.
But warrior was never a counter to condition damage, conditions were his weak spot, he was the anti-direct damage class. Se his high health, regen, armor,… no condition cleanses at the beginning. But then he got condition removes in every patch and now he has no weakspot.
Wrong, the warrior was pretty horrid previous to his buffs. He got the condition cleanses because without them warrior really had no staying power. Warriors weakspot is still massive condition spam, it just isn’t as faceroll easy as it once was. If they use healing signet, they have another weak spot in the form of burst damage.
But warrior was never a counter to condition damage, conditions were his weak spot, he was the anti-direct damage class. Se his high health, regen, armor,… no condition cleanses at the beginning. But then he got condition removes in every patch and now he has no weakspot.
Try fighting a good thief or mesmer with the hambow build.
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