Guild Wars 2

blitzkrieg.2451:

TheDevice.2751:

I mean unless its that class they need to have for when they want to beat something.

No doubt the devs are just constantly looking for fun ways to buff other classes while they sortof in the back of their minds try not to forget about that necro class. lol.

I just don’t understand this development team whatsoever. It just boggles my mind. I don’t get it lol.

Mesmers can do INSANE damage while also have INSANE mobility and INSANE stealth and blah blah blah.

oh but necros cant have any of that because…. uh….. because! Cuz they do other stuff! Like uhhh…

Wait what do necros do? lol hahahaahaha Seriously. What the hell do necros do? Whats their job? It can’t be to keep enemies from escaping. We all know thats not what their job is. Anyone can get away from a necromancer.

What do they do? Please. Anet can you tell me. I’m done trying to figure it out. I have no clue what this class is supposed to do anymore. What is your idea of balance because it’s not what any of us think it is.

Mesmers have no risk and are high reward. They can escape anything, have no cap to mobility, can deal stupid amounts of damage even while stealth…. What?

Necros are STILL the ONLY class in this game that requires outside help to function.

QQ Tell me I can’t figure it out since I started playing this class a year and a half ago. I don’t understand what the point is. Why can’t necros have oodles of mobility? You can’t come up with a reason.

Necromancers are not really a class. You never see them in tournament play. You don’t see them high up on the ladder yet Anet does everything in their power to keep them terrible.

They actually nerfed necros BEFORE mesemers. I’m just idk.

Waiting for revenant. Tired of playing the most underwhelming class in the game since devs seem to have no inspiration involving it whatsoever.

Noscoc in the abjured team (NUMBER 1 TEAM IN NA AND HE CONTRIBUTES ALOT TO THE TEAM) comp, enough said. He wrecks with necro, why can’t you? The kittening by necro would be fine if there wasn’t Noscoc who has set an example for other necros and has shown time and time again that necro is viable with both power and condi builds, but all you do is whine and complain about your class and how it’s not viable. Get good , seriously.

Yes, he’s really good. He is also only one player and has a team with an extemely high level of coordination.

You also note that each time The Abjured loses in a tournament, it’s because Nosoc didn’t get constant peels. If a Necro isn’t babysat, they fold with nothing they can do about it. The same is not true with any other profession, where build choices can open up an avenue to survive.

A better question would be “Why is this thread not in the Necro forum”?

Constant whining from necros yet noscoc continues to dominate with 70k+ gems from winning tourneys. So many bad necros.

“You also note that each time The Abjured loses in a tournament, it’s because Nosoc didn’t get constant peels. If a Necro isn’t babysat, they fold with nothing they can do about it. The same is not true with any other profession, where build choices can open up an avenue to survive.”

This is with any class , engi , thief , etc… Classes getting trained need peels whether it’s a necro, an engi, thief, ele , etc that’s just called strategy in top tier because many top teams switch targets for burst according to situation .. He also runs cele now and can handle himself quite well now (you did watch the last ESL right?) and the team synergy he runs for his build is very nice btw.

Why… well first you need to understand how the free to play model of games work.

In free to play pvp games that are not pay to win there has to be a hook that allows mediocre players to do ok and good players to be great, nearly unbeatable. Why… well, if all the classes can be played well and are made to be effective then what happens is good players will constantly dominate not so good players on ALL classes. This tends to cause those poor players to quit the game because always getting stomped is not fun. And for a similar reason of no challenge what so ever from the scrubs the good players quit as well, and the money train comes to a stop.

And here is where the Necro comes into play and why the devs keep it in the game in a seemingly perpetually broken state. Some of those good players will pick a class like the Necro and do ok to good against scrub players, and bad but not horrible against the other good players.

Those good players on good classes will be kept in the game because they get to beat up on something that puts up a fight but really has no tools to win. The thrill from stomping on an enemy that is helpless is very addictive. Similarly, against bad players on good classes a fight with a good player on a class like the necro can be fun. Both get the illusion of a fair and fun fight when in reality one side is just bad and the other does not get that they are playing the joke class. This keeps both of them playing as well.

And that is all that there is to it… Necro is the class that provides the hook that allows good players on good classes to win, which they like and bad players on good classes to do bad to ok depending on the Necro they are fighting which they like.

Finally, just sit back for a moment and consider how much damage the top player on a top class like Mez or Ele or … really any class other than Necro can do to a run of the mill bad player.

Next consider how much damage the top Necro player on their best day can do to a bad player.

In both situations the bad player will of course die, but in one of those situations they stand a real if small chance of winning. Can you guess against which class that is…?

aDemoNnDisguisE.8576:

Why… well first you need to understand how the free to play model of games work.

In free to play pvp games that are not pay to win there has to be a hook that allows mediocre players to do ok and good players to be great, nearly unbeatable. Why… well, if all the classes can be played well and are made to be effective then what happens is good players will constantly dominate not so good players on ALL classes. This tends to cause those poor players to quit the game because always getting stomped is not fun. And for a similar reason of no challenge what so ever from the scrubs the good players quit as well, and the money train comes to a stop.

And here is where the Necro comes into play and why the devs keep it in the game in a seemingly perpetually broken state. Some of those good players will pick a class like the Necro and do ok to good against scrub players, and bad but not horrible against the other good players.

Those good players on good classes will be kept in the game because they get to beat up on something that puts up a fight but really has no tools to win. The thrill from stomping on an enemy that is helpless is very addictive. Similarly, against bad players on good classes a fight with a good player on a class like the necro can be fun. Both get the illusion of a fair and fun fight when in reality one side is just bad and the other does not get that they are playing the joke class. This keeps both of them playing as well.

And that is all that there is to it… Necro is the class that provides the hook that allows good players on good classes to win, which they like and bad players on good classes to do bad to ok depending on the Necro they are fighting which they like.

Finally, just sit back for a moment and consider how much damage the top player on a top class like Mez or Ele or … really any class other than Necro can do to a run of the mill bad player.

Next consider how much damage the top Necro player on their best day can do to a bad player.

In both situations the bad player will of course die, but in one of those situations they stand a real if small chance of winning. Can you guess against which class that is…?

If you’re suggesting necro can’t 1on1 wit your last paragraph you’re kittening insane. Both power and condi AND cele are very good in 1on1 situations, now necro gets trouble in +1 situations, as does every class.. I think you’re actually confusing power ranger with necro , a class that hasn’t seen an ESL tourney (or any tourney for that matter) in a while and since there already is a necro on the top NA team, alot of the idiocy being spouted off by bad necros immediately becomes redundant and disregarded. Necro works well with certain comps, and very well.

Does necro need peels? YES, EVERY class that gets trained does. There’s only 2 classes that can get cleanly away without strategic peels and that would be thief and mesmer and maybe engi with stealth.

The OP asked why they were kept in the game.

I simply am confirming what he has discovered… Necro is the, or at least one of the, trap, hook, gimmick or whatever you want to call it class that everyone else can beat as long as they try and are on one of the good classes like Mez or Ele or War or…

Note that maybe Ranger is also like the Necro, a broken and imbalanced class that the other classes can beat on. I have never played ranger so I wouldn’t know. The disappointment that is the Necro is enough for me…

But I have played a War and a Necro.

And I cat tell you this, War >> Necro and post patch Rampage >>>> Necro.

The difference in the tools that are given to good classes and the tools given to bad classes is Night and Day.

And if after playing on one of the good classes for a while and then playing on a necro you can’t tell the difference or believe that it is a simple l2p necro issue then you Sir are just being willfully blind.