Guild Wars 2

hey eles elites are pretty OP get in an nado and then exit it you can’t have any cc on you for 20 secs…..yeah that is all i could came up with -_-

Moa Morph is 2 seconds casting time, it can be easily casted in Stealth.
But, how can you guys call this an “obvious animation”?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cqTJ2RdjJg

Both skills are fine by design, they just last way too long. Compared to other skills, they should both be reduced to lasting 6 or 7 seconds. No other skill in the game can control the opponent for as long as Moa Morph does, and the longest quickness skill other then Time Warp is 5 seconds. Their duration now is equivalent to Mass Invisibility lasting 8 seconds.

I am utterly amazed you were able to say Moa is weaker than Supply Crate or Binding Roots with a straight face.

Because it’s the case and I’m truelly not exageratin.

Supply crate is one of the nicest elites, period. Playin an engie myself, the amount of support you can do with just that is truelly amazing if you have the right build, and you’ll still no match almost all the melees.

But Moa ? “yo dawg, im under moa, pop stability and swiftness nau !” problem solved.

If you want to qq hard or something please take in consideration a decent amount of awareness / reactivity in teamplay, not the action goin in pug. You go in pug for random pvp so don’t expect to have group action goin unless you re playin, which is rare but can happen, with some fellas that are interested at playin as a team.

Pug is all about killin people and it’s not even fun here because of the lack of stats.

I play one too, and Supply Crate is effectively an area denial tool that can be mopped up with AoE. Far cry from completely removing a key member of someone’s team for what is, in pvp terms, an eternity.

I don’t get the super hype over MOA, lol. If it took all your endurance away, FINE. But, if you engage a mesmer and you know he hasn’t used it, expect it, don’t dodge roll too much and when you get MOA’d, you can kind of get a sense for when to dodge. You get 1.5-2s of invuln time each roll, and you get 50% of your endurance back while in MOA, so that’s at least 4-5 seconds of that 10 where you can spend it evading all attacks.

The only thing I don’t agree with is it cancelling out every single other elite transformation like a guardian tome or a necro elite. This should be reworked.

Also, it should have a damage cap, if you take X amount of damage, the 10 second duration automatically ends, fair enough.

Time Warp, well, that IS overpowered and needs some kind of balancing there. You can effectively put this on a point, because it’s radius is just as big, and if you stay on point with a guard/warrior or any other class with heavy AOE, consider yourself a goner. I know my guard can do insane amounts of damage when I have time warp activated for a group fight.

Aside from that, I don’t get what the problem is, even though they do have the strongest elite set in the game, it’s really nothing a good player needs to be concerned about. Work around it, or bring a mesmer, all is fair at the end of the day.

For all you people saying Time Warp is fine because you can just run out of it just proved the point that it is OP. Casting it in a teamfight guarantees that you will either cap the point due to all the enemies being dead, or the fact that they all have to run out of the field to survive enabling you to cap.

Should be reduced to 3s duration, while also lowering the cooldown to 60s

Still an effective disable, but less of an “I Win” button in 1v1 combat

(and please fix the minion insta gibbing!)

CC Eva.6742:

Hi everyone.

Just passing by to remind that discussions are productive as long as they remain polite and on topic. Please, lets stick to the discussion without entering in personal attacks.

It’s a bit difficult to be polite with this kind of garbage running rampant throughout the game.

3s Moa Morph on 60s CD isn’t really Elite worthy IMO. That isn’t really better than Magic Bullet, 2s Stun (which stops target from moving as well) on 25s CD.

It’s outright worse as Magic Bullet CD can be lowered to 20, affects two more targets in rather debilitating ways, and is insta-cast. Oh, and a finisher.

I think only silly people can say Moa Morph is fine. Long cast? Dodgeable? Yeah, try to see that specific animation in all the particle effects.

Oh… AND CAST IT FROM STEALTH! Hard right? It’s OP and that’s a fact. Needs to be brought down to 5 sec TOPS

Thieves Guild > all other elites.

Unlike moa it can’t be blocked/blinded/dodged. Both thieves do large damage, one pulls, one spams blind all over your face. Thief can stealth and let his summons hit you, then when you try to smack his ridiculously damaging summons, he pops up behind you with 10k damage in either pistol whips or backstab+something else.

Seriously if there is an “I win” button in this game, it’s the thieves guild.

I’d trade every Mesmer elite for Supply Crate and Thieves’ Guild.

Unless the player who is Moa’d is outnumbered and/or terrible, the effects can be mitigated heavily with simple dodges and movement. This can easily mitigate the MH Sword, Staff, Phantasms, and Shatters which allows you to survive. To be completely honest though, a Mesmer wins most 1v1 fights unless it’s against another good duelist with AoE Damage. Which are rare, thus Moa doesn’t really change the outcome in a fight too often. Not to mention, the opponents you do lose to are the ones that are smart enough to dodge Moa. It’s largest use to me, personally, is making sure I can stomp in a 1v2. I’d rather be my Engi if I’m in a 1v2 fight overall though.

Time Warp is probably the best Elite in the game, except the Mesmer by itself isnt’ really that great with Quickness. Their damage is split among the Shatters and/or Phantasms, which mitigates the effectiveness drastically. Quickness in general is god mode, sure, but unless a profession is designing themselves to take advantage of it, it won’t be as effective as most people believe. I think this is a fantastic way of design and is also mitigated by it’s huge cooldown. A Bunker Ele or Guardian can usually survive a Time Warp 2v2 anyway.

Mass Invisibility probably has a lot of fantastic uses. Honestly it’s incredible while dueling an opponent as a Mesmer since stealth on a Mesmer is disorienting in general. However, use it at the wrong time and your team loses control of the point. Not to mention, it has a rather long cast time associated with it. It’s not hard to believe very few people take it.

Now, I’d trade all of that to have the Supply Crate my Engi has. Thieves Guild can be kited, dodge-rolled, and AoE’d down, but the Supply Crate is a massive heal boost, stun, and the extra “NPC” Support. The rest of the Engi elites are god awful, but Supply Crate is like my dream of an Elite. My second favorite is probably Signet of Rage, but this I could see is highly opinionated.

ManCaptain.3154:

Thieves Guild > all other elites.

Unlike moa it can’t be blocked/blinded/dodged. Both thieves do large damage, one pulls, one spams blind all over your face. Thief can stealth and let his summons hit you, then when you try to smack his ridiculously damaging summons, he pops up behind you with 10k damage in either pistol whips or backstab+something else.

Seriously if there is an “I win” button in this game, it’s the thieves guild.

Thieves have a sticky post in the sPvP forums.

I’m thinking they’re getting changed…just a little…MAYBE…

@Aelona, buahahahahah i will give you supply crate any day of the week for moa morph. How can you even compare other elites to it.

Supply crate is incredibly overhyped. The stun is nice but not particularly amazing. The turrets get destroyed almost instantly every time I see them and the damage is not threatening even if they stay up. It’s only a dire threat to glass cannon builds who completely invest in single target melee. When I see supply crate drop I consider it an annoyance, getting hit by Moa is more of a death sentence. An immobilize followed by a heavy burst skill is one of the most common combinations in the game and is usable by mesmers themselves. If you get hit by an immobilize and burst skill while in Moa there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it and you’ll probably die or become so low on health you die almost immediately after Moa ends. You can NOT dodge out of an immobilize and many immobilize skills are instant so there is no casting animation to read. I would rather get hit by a net and piddling turret fire any day because I can still use all my skills to either free myself and run away or destroy the gear. In Moa form if you get stunned and burst there’s absolutely no way to break out.

I have about 30 games under my belt as necro, 15 as theif, 30 as mesmer, and a handful as most other classes (other then ranger…never tried that out). I would say in pvp moa is really annoying, necro is the best support/damage class, theif is a beast, mesmer is stupid hard to kill and guardian is the largest boon to any melee train.

That being said, a change to MOA is on the horizon, and having a 60+ mesmer on my account, that does not effect my pvp or pve in any way