Guild Wars 2

Hi,

While I understand that a raid group system is pretty redundant for PvE with the way that world boss encounters are designed I think it is something that is sorely lacking in WvW. What we would really like is a set of unit frames for organizing larger guild groups so the commander can balance group class makeup by moving people around. WvW may have only been intended as a casual experience initially but there are a number of competitive guilds that prefer WvW to sPvP and we would like to be able to bring this level of co-ordination to it.

Is there a development road map with this somewhere on it?

I don’t think WvW was ever intended to be casual, not with the amount of time and gold sinks in it. I think that the Squad feature is a great feature for more casual players and pug players, but I agree that we very much need a real raid/warband UI setup.

We need to be able to see where more than 4 other people are on the minimap, we need to be able to keep these groups private and have leader invite/kick rights on them and we most definitely do not need to be advertising our location to every other large group running around on the map (aka Commander) unless we choose to do so.

You really don’t, everyone is just programmed with that raid panel mindset. This game is beyond that, you dont need it, all that is needed is a battlegroup join function where everyones dots would show up on the map and the leader could then see what is going on.

While I admit I’ve done almost no PvP since launch, I am puzzled by your concern about “class group balance.” Isn’t this game made so the specific professions involved don’t matter?

a guardian can make all the difference in the world to winning or losing a fight zerg vs zerg

you have one, they dont, they die.

I think it works just fine with the current system, with /m and /t….I hardly ever join parties in wvw and never felt the need for them.
And I think it would affect very badly the servers unity, in the form that every raid would probably care only about their raid and not give a crap about what else is happening with the rest of the players therefore making them weaker instead of stronger…

Narathkor.8541:

You really don’t, everyone is just programmed with that raid panel mindset. This game is beyond that, you dont need it, all that is needed is a battlegroup join function where everyones dots would show up on the map and the leader could then see what is going on.

It’s to be more than that. Our 30 man guild group loves our server’s Militia and actively works with the “pugs”, for a lack of another term, in dominating WvW but we would still rather have a system that allows our guys to be in a group together that doesn’t just allow anyone on the map to click a blue icon and join on in.

Azaziel.3608:

I think it works just fine with the current system, with /m and /t….I hardly ever join parties in wvw and never felt the need for them.
And I think it would affect very badly the servers unity, in the form that every raid would probably care only about their raid and not give a crap about what else is happening with the rest of the players therefore making them weaker instead of stronger…

We use vent very heavily for both the guild and the alliance so it’s not about communication, it’s about knowing where we all are on a map, and as said above, about group make up. Having a blocker, a stealth-giver, a nuker in each party or being able to form parties of solely blockers/nukers/etc and be able to see these groups as the raid leader would be hugely beneficial.

yeah zane thats the battlegroup system. In DAOC when you formed a battlegroup you could make it open or closed, invite who you want or let everyone join, inside the battlegroup people could form their own regular groups. Thats the system we need here.

Ah, I see, it’s more skill-sets than specific professions. That makes sense. Certainly I’ve wanted some way to find my own group of people on the map (usually my guild, so gold dots would work fine). I’ll only ever be a grunt, though — so anything that makes it easier for a leader to send me somewhere useful would be great.

Narathkor.8541:

yeah zane thats the battlegroup system. In DAOC when you formed a battlegroup you could make it open or closed, invite who you want or let everyone join, inside the battlegroup people could form their own regular groups. Thats the system we need here.

Ahk. I never played DAOC so I wasn’t sure what you had meant. But yeah, upgrading the current squad system to allow you to make it private or public (private should hide the icon to anyone not in the squad) and have regular parties within it that both the leader and members can see is definitely what we need.

If some kind of change isn’t made, or another system implemented quickly, I can’t see people putting up with these limitations for more than 6-8 months. After that we’re going to see people get sick of waiting for fixes and changes and move on.

Donari.5237:

Ah, I see, it’s more skill-sets than specific professions. That makes sense. Certainly I’ve wanted some way to find my own group of people on the map (usually my guild, so gold dots would work fine). I’ll only ever be a grunt, though — so anything that makes it easier for a leader to send me somewhere useful would be great.

Yep, skill-sets/roles in a party make-up can make a huge difference. Boons only affect 5 people including the caster, so if you wanted to stealth a guild group for a surprise attack you would need a thief in each party. If you had a group of nukers that focused on taking down siege then having a guardian to defend them in the group would be a huge asset.

I mean, you can already set up groups like this currently but it’s a pain the kitten. It requires far more effort than it’s currently paying off and being unable to find other parties of your guild mates without having to following a commander icon (which brings the server zerg with you) is just plain stupid.

ZaneStriker.2836:

…We need to be able to see where more than 4 other people are on the minimap, we need to be able to keep these groups private and have leader invite/kick rights on them ….

+1
Add more social gameplay option to this MMO

I would very much like to see raid groups added. Organising a guild group is a pain at the moment.

Narathkor.8541:

yeah zane thats the battlegroup system. In DAOC when you formed a battlegroup you could make it open or closed, invite who you want or let everyone join, inside the battlegroup people could form their own regular groups. Thats the system we need here.

I agree with you here, how much I would love to see them put this sort of thing into place, it worked great!

I initially was all for the commander icons, despite the crazy cost, but have since changed my mind. It seems MOST of them that I’ve seen on our server are not owned by WvW’ers but rather people who PvE’d to gather up 100g and then decided to WvW while those who were lvling up on the battlefield for the most part, day in and day out couldn’t afford them.

So these so call “commanders” come in and people follow them simply because of the stupid icon! I really really hate the fact that you can BUY your leadership and not have to earn it at all!

Solution, at least until the map is flooded with little blue icons lol (then we’ll have a new issue to post about on the forums. heh

Do not allow the use of “commander” in WvW unless certain WvW requirements have been met. Simply setting attainments such as 2/5 in things like kills, siege built, defense, yak guarding, camp taking .. sorry I forget all the categories.. :P

But.. it SHOULD be for most if not all of them, as a “commander” should have a good grasp for what is necessary to win in WvW .. not just be a good gold farmer!

But.. it SHOULD be for most if not all of them, as a “commander” should have a good grasp for what is necessary to win in WvW .. not just be a good gold farmer!

Bella.6432:

Narathkor.8541:

yeah zane thats the battlegroup system. In DAOC when you formed a battlegroup you could make it open or closed, invite who you want or let everyone join, inside the battlegroup people could form their own regular groups. Thats the system we need here.

I agree with you here, how much I would love to see them put this sort of thing into place, it worked great!

I initially was all for the commander icons, despite the crazy cost, but have since changed my mind. It seems MOST of them that I’ve seen on our server are not owned by WvW’ers but rather people who PvE’d to gather up 100g and then decided to WvW while those who were lvling up on the battlefield for the most part, day in and day out couldn’t afford them.

So these so call “commanders” come in and people follow them simply because of the stupid icon! I really really hate the fact that you can BUY your leadership and not have to earn it at all!

Solution, at least until the map is flooded with little blue icons lol (then we’ll have a new issue to post about on the forums. heh

Do not allow the use of “commander” in WvW unless certain WvW requirements have been met. Simply setting attainments such as 2/5 in things like kills, siege built, defense, yak guarding, camp taking .. sorry I forget all the categories.. :P

But.. it SHOULD be for most if not all of them, as a “commander” should have a good grasp for what is necessary to win in WvW .. not just be a good gold farmer!

No one buys leadership. They buy and icon that people CHOOSE to follow. I would like a system like the one suggested allow the players to make large groups in a raid UI. Let them make it open or closed. An open one you could still deny entrance via a request sent to the leader of the raid or his raid assists. There really needs to be an assist window too. This would allow for everyone to see who’s being targeted and target them through that window to kills them. This would allow for the ability to kill specific targets in a zerg first. They need to allow more than one target to be marked as well with different icons. Allow people to form these groups without an kind of icon needed or money spent.