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Regardless, I wish some of you would stop with the backhanded comments. If this is Anet’s fault, make that glaringly clear in your first post instead of drawing it out by first blaming Tarnished Coast for nightcapping then coming to the conclusion that it’s actually flawed game design.

I don’t get why people seem to forget that the first night is of pivotal importance (with Wuvwuv’s current state) which is why we stayed up to nightcap. Did people actually think you would go to sleep, wake up the next day and find everything was still as it was when you left?

TLDR: Quit blaming Tarnished Coast and throwing insults at our server when there’s no justification for it.

Threads of this nature are invitations for people to “pat their own backs” or take shots at the other servers whether deserved or not. TC is going to win the match running away. If we on DB or FA voice frustrations about the lack of balance in the match, it will merely look like crying or an excuse. It’s NOT TCs fault they outnumber us the way they do now. On DB, there have been matches where we were the zerg (this was before 80% of our Wv3 population decided to move). I didn’t feel like we were being unfair.. you play with what you have. The only time I have been annoyed at another server relating to Wv3 was in one of our matches where a particular server was using wide-spread use of hacks. That simply has not been the case in this match with either TC or FA.

To TC, congratulations and wish you luck as you move on. I do ask that you consider the resources available when your posting here however.

To FA, maybe next week will prove to be more of a match than this week has been.

To my comrades on DB. We were in the 2nd Tier when the bottom basically dropped out on us as a server. One of the main alliances moved and it caused a chain reaction that continues this week as more and more guilds leave. We have a long way to fall before we are matched up with servers sporting similar Wv3 resources again and it will be a frustrating fall. I have been searching for ways to reduce the frustration.. focusing on smaller victories rather than larger ones. For example, securing the northern half of our borderlands and holding it for 3 hours.

As far as the mass exodus goes, guilds leave for the singular reason that the players who make up those guilds are looking for something they do not feel their current server offers. In different guilds, those reasons may be totally different, but they are all real (at least to the people involved). Rather than taking shots at the groups who have left, it would behoove us to try to find out the reasons. Many we have no control over (like the lack of night time support that I told triggered the initial alliance to move), but some we might be able to work on if we make an effort. In the end, until you can create a community that is ‘fun’ to play in.. people will continue to leave. Creating that community is up to all of us who participate in it. How you treat your teammates does have an impact. I ask that we make an effort to be aware of that as we move on and not take our frustrations out on one another.

Another week starts soon.

@Usagi – I agree with some of your points. Mainly that numbers win, with coverage mismatches outside prime-time being doubly/triply profitable. – Not sure this ideal mechanic longer term for the game that will encourage large player participation over a week long match, let alone the 2 week matches they want to go to.

The fact that numbers/coverage virtually trump anything makes the free xfers and transient state of server populations even more problematic. IMO they should have kept matches to 3 days until they closed/curbed free xfers.

Looking at the current matchups it seems the only “competitive” matches that are occurring are in the very top (all servers have large pop with good coverage), and the very bottom (all servers have equally low pops and poor coverage). Now this can all change with the next big guild/alliance shake up that ripples through the ladder.

The current snowball mechanics also exasperate the problem, by having stable/growing participation for the “winning” server and reduced participation for the losing server. As you stated no server has a monopoly on anything…..including “bandwagon” players that boost/reduce pops based on score/map control.

Fun can be had regardless (<—-on FA off-peak daily, often with outmanned buff), but I think some tweaks need to occur to encourage more participation and options for comebacks/out-manned situations. More players participating——> more stable populations——> functioning ladder/matching —-→less snowball——>more competitive matches (macro score)——>more fun!

Last night TC had quite a bit of queue time on the maps that seemed lively. TC Borderlands had no queue what so ever, and I had harvested 150 candy corns before actually seeing a DB or FA (despite running all over the map for the nodes, thinking others would be drawn to them as well). There were a few very minor skirmishes – I think I saw a total of 10 or so of either DB or FA before the queue popped for FA Borderlands.

FA BL was more exciting, and FA was definitely out numbered on a macro level. I rarely saw groups of more than 20 FA, although there seemed to be a couple more groups of 5-10 judging by guild tags. TC had at least two commanders on the map, but no large zerg. Instead, we also operated in groups of 5, 10, or 20 (largest zerg I saw last night was when two groups combined and reached 30ish). This decentralized state resulted in several enjoyable skirmishes at the garrison, DE, tower west of garrison, and SH.

The lack of players from DB and FA was definitely evident. It looks like the Halloween event is no longer distracting TC from W3 judging from the queues, although no doubt it is also affected by more people queuing because we are winning.

Hopefully tonight will be more interesting.

Free server xFers and Anet’s failure to account for the massive shifts in server power that they cause lead to these unbalanced match-ups. It takes too long for newly powered up servers like Blackgate to rise up and for servers with mass exoduses like HoD and Dragonbrand to fall.

I have only had a que one time in the last two weeks in any borderland on FA. It does sap all the fun when you go to sleep knowing your whole map will be PvEd’ from you and upgraded while you sleep and work. It is not the peoples fault who are playing it is the match up system. We have had issues through our whole servers existence having little to no night presence.

PS. TC players who are complaining about people saying things….you said some of the same things when you played against BG last week. It just so happens you are the one like BG this week.

I didn’t complain about blackgate, point to one tc poster this week complaining about the night time q.q. that was night cap q.qing last week.

Transfers are ruining Wuvwuv, but are not ruining this matchup. This is actually a pretty balanced matchup. Friday night was extremely fun and extremely close.

This matchup, like many others, is ruined because of snowball mechanics and off hours capping being vastly more profitable than it should be.

This is not the fault of people who play when there aren’t many other people around – this is the fault of arena.net for having a faulty design.

People aren’t going to go all out every night for two weeks, pouring their heart and soul and money into siege and upgrades, if they know another server is just going to take it all while they are asleep. This is entirely rational and logical behavior and will never change.

Right now the first server to nightcap everything and take all the orbs basically wins the match right then and there. This was true of all tiers last week, it seems to be true of all tiers this week.

The sole exceptions to the 400k blow outs are the top tier, where all servers have full coverage outside prime time, or the bottom tier, where no server has full coverage at any time.

Also sea of sorrows is basically an oceanic server and is thus always in a match that is points closewise because they and the dominant NA server just take turns nightcapping each other. Leads to incredibly boring matches but close points.

Other than that, it’s all blow outs, all the time, from top to bottom. This does not lead to a fun or engaging wuvwuv experience. It will be even more mindlessly terrible when they switch to 2 week matchups. This is an arena.net problem, not a problem with the morale or coordination on any particular server.

Most people think the point of wuvwuv is to win wuvwuv and have their server have more points. If this can’t happen, they see no reason to wuvwuv. If arena.net wants their matches to be longer than 2 days, they need to completely revamp their scoreboard system so that it incentives players to come out and keep playing no matter what.

Right now they come out and keep playing only if there is a chance their server will win, because that is what they have been told the game is about.

FA is pretty much in the same position as TC was in last week. DB looks to be primarily made up of leveling alts and are squishy to my toughness stacked engi. This week I see a lot of PvE people playing for TC that are actively trying to complete the maps. So no doubt we got a big influx of non-regulars to join our zerg this week. (I hope a bunch of them stay around for next week’s WvWvW when the going gets tough as well.)

So yeah the facts are TC #s > FA #s. DB #s are few AND they go down quick. (Speaking for myself only,) I don’t really see any problems with anybody pointing out the facts. So hats off to those of you FA and DB guys who kept fighting. I had quite a bit of fun in a number of the sieges. I hope you FA guys get better coverage soon because some of you guys are really good and the score really shouldn’t be this lopsided.

For TC, I have seen our groups carry out a number of successful “tactical” maneuver which I believe will help us in the future. Granted having numerical superiority all over the place makes it easier to carry them out, but it’s definitely a sign that we’re improving. We’ll see how we fair again in T3…

- Hella Firestarter, the naked asura in jumping puzzles

@Winterwolf, if you’re insinuating I’m lying that is fine. I was at Bluevale supply camp, and I bet you I personally got 200ish kills in ~an hour. I was also the only one on the map wearing a commander tag, so if you saw a FA guy there with one around that time, it was me. Pretty sure I died to two TC people, one was a female human thief, and she killed me ~5 times using Steal → CnD → Backstab → HS Spam in the midst of decent sized skirmishes, and the other was a GS guardian that rolled on me in Champion’s/whatever its called on Green BL.

To the rest of TC, I was not insinuating that you didn’t deserve your win or aren’t skilled – you do and I’m sure some of you are. I just found it humorous that someone up there said maybe you guys just outmaneuvered superior numbers throughout this match, when clearly that has not been the case. My message was not supposed to be insulting, I let my frustration get the best of me when I was typing it.

Our server has been a ghost town in WvW and that is on us, not you, but I was venting because I feel the mechanics make the winning win harder. I WvW for the competition and so me and some of my guild will continue queuing, at least for some time, but for non-24/7 coverage servers this is going to continue being a problem.

HenryAu.7523:

DB looks to be primarily made up of leveling alts and are squishy to my toughness stacked engi.

When your outnumbered you bring any able bodies. I have had people in my groups that were level 19 and 20 at times. It’s still another body and they are getting experience both towards their levels and on how to Wv3 at the same time.

Wulfe.8092:

HenryAu.7523:

DB looks to be primarily made up of leveling alts and are squishy to my toughness stacked engi.

When your outnumbered you bring any able bodies. I have had people in my groups that were level 19 and 20 at times. It’s still another body and they are getting experience both towards their levels and on how to Wv3 at the same time.

Oh I have no problem with leveling people in Wv3 myself. Levels and gear are easy to come by compared to how hard it is to get Wv3 participation. I just thought some DB people are leveling alts because the majority (more than 60%) of your players I met have the big green arrow. I was going to do the same and play my ele but my engi is still in the middle of gearing up.

Just 2 cents from nobody… I don’t blame TC for winning via zerg (it is what it is and until Anet does something about the free transfer fiasco, not much can be done about it), however the spawn camping is pretty pathetic. Setting up 5+ siege weapons at a spawn point is silly and in my humble opinion shows a complete lack of skill and class. I am admittedly disappointed to see TC employ such weak methods, especially considering the impression I got from last week’s forum posts from TC folks that TC was a better lot than that. Been gaming/pvp’n since DAoC days, and I have always had a great deal of disdain for that style of play. Good luck to y’all next week.

Draganfuil.3546:

Just 2 cents from nobody… I don’t blame TC for winning via zerg (it is what it is and until Anet does something about the free transfer fiasco, not much can be done about it), however the spawn camping is pretty pathetic. Setting up 5+ siege weapons at a spawn point is silly and in my humble opinion shows a complete lack of skill and class. I am admittedly disappointed to see TC employ such weak methods, especially considering the impression I got from last week’s forum posts from TC folks that TC was a better lot than that. Been gaming/pvp’n since DAoC days, and I have always had a great deal of disdain for that style of play. Good luck to y’all next week.

The majority of us ARE better than that. Every server has its trolls and jackwagons, and while we wish it were so TC is not excluded from that list.

I agree that every server does have that ilk of player; I only make mention of it re: TC because I have seen several masses of several guilds doing it, not a mish mash of pug guilds. Don’t recall the names of the guilds but tags such as MF, PINK, and another one that escapes me, are ones that I see doing this quite a lot. Maybe they are transfer guilds and not native TC folks, and maybe I’m guilty of generalizing, but it is aggravating to see and I felt a need to address it.

These kinds of posts always bug the hell out of me on the forums. Without screenshots, there’s no way to verify the truth of the matter, and the perspective of one person, guild, or even server is rarely the whole picture. So really, all you’re doing is dragging guild names in the mud without any substantial evidence. Throw in subjective words like “a lot”, “several masses”, etc etc, and it becomes even worse.

For example (mentioning this because I recognize your guild tag), 5 people throwing up random siege equipment -build sites- (including rams) at the northern supply camp and running around with Halloween tonics on while 20 people tried taking pot shots at them from behind before running into the gate hardly counts as “spawn camping”. But I can see why you may think it was.

Dragonbrand was a spawn-camping zerg the first time we faced them on TC. I feel like many players on TC harbor a general dislike for Dragonbrand because of that.

I think we can all agree that Blackgate is the true evil zerg server now.

I generally agree with Usagi’s comments on here.

For transparency’s sake, I’m a TC player.

What I think is important is to distinguish a few things:

- Just because TC could field more numbers than FA or DB this week, does not mean that a) TC are bad players and couldn’t win in a fair fight, or that b) FA and DB are tactical masters and could win if they had more people in WvW. It also doesn’t mean the opposite in either statement. One assertion does not logically lead to the next. And anecdotes about how “I must have killed like 200 people” or something like that also doesn’t mean much, because you can farm a ton of kills just sitting on a siege weapon – it doesn’t make you a great player, it just makes you a person who was at the right place at the right time, and that you are decent at using an arrow cart.

- I think most players, regardless of what server they are on, will agree that night-capping tends to unbalance otherwise decent matchups. I’m a TC player on the good end of this happening this week. But next week, I’ll probably be a TC player on the bad end of it. And you know what? From everything that has been posted, this is intended, though could be made to be a bit less deflating than it is for the servers on the wrong end of things, and Anet has said they hope to address that but don’t feel they should announce plans yet since they aren’t ready to implement them.

- Rather than hurl insults at each other, and try and make yourself feel better for being on the losing server by saying “they only won because of numbers, not skill”, or if you are on the winning server, trying to make yourself feel big and bad by insulting those servers that didn’t have the WvW coverage to make it as competitive as they would have liked, I think all servers should acknowledge that FA, DB, and TC played well this week, say good game, and toast a virtual brew to each other while acknowledging that WvW has some shortcomings that limit competitiveness while the mentioned conditions exist.

/virtual brew toast to TC, FA, and DB!

Why generally? Why can’t you agree with me completely!? You must! You’re part of Tarnished Coast! And we have to be cohesive! poke AGREE WITH ME COMPLETELY! ;~;

As the match is near its end, I would like to thank both DB and FA for the nice fights I’ve had over the week. I had plenty of little skirmishes down south in TCBL around dolyaks and supply camps, and it was fun every time. Best of luck in your next match, and we shall meet again, I’m pretty sure of that!

rhyein.6172:

These kinds of posts always bug the hell out of me on the forums. Without screenshots, there’s no way to verify the truth of the matter, and the perspective of one person, guild, or even server is rarely the whole picture. So really, all you’re doing is dragging guild names in the mud without any substantial evidence. Throw in subjective words like “a lot”, “several masses”, etc etc, and it becomes even worse.

For example (mentioning this because I recognize your guild tag), 5 people throwing up random siege equipment -build sites- (including rams) at the northern supply camp and running around with Halloween tonics on while 20 people tried taking pot shots at them from behind before running into the gate hardly counts as “spawn camping”. But I can see why you may think it was.

In one post you accuse me of stretching or misrepresenting the truth because I had no screenshots to back up my claim, yet you describe a situation, without a screenshot, that simply isn’t accurate. The time I was there with some TC folks running around with Halloween tonics, there were in fact quite a lot more than 5 TC people. “Random” siege… what exactly do you mean by random? It just fell out of your pockets and lo and behold ooops we got siege equipment. There were 2 ballistas on the vista with 4 folks from the same guild standing up there shooting at folks behind the gateway. 3 ballistas and, I believe, an arrow cart in the supply camp shooting at folks if they dared to go out the gateway. And then a LOT of folks that weren’t with the Halloween tonics running in front of the gateway from one side to the other side blasting folks on the wall and pulling them down when they got too close to the edge.

Draganfuil.3546:

I agree that every server does have that ilk of player; I only make mention of it re: TC because I have seen several masses of several guilds doing it, not a mish mash of pug guilds. Don’t recall the names of the guilds but tags such as MF, PINK, and another one that escapes me, are ones that I see doing this quite a lot. Maybe they are transfer guilds and not native TC folks, and maybe I’m guilty of generalizing, but it is aggravating to see and I felt a need to address it.

I know some TC Commanders have actively been trying to get people to stop spawn camping both in /map and tells. But sometimes that just makes them more stubborn about it…

To be fair, Zoula, I don’t doubt what you say… it’s just been annoying as hell seeing it as much I have, and I just needed to get it out of my system here. There isn’t a /disdain or /no respect emote in game or I’d just do that and move on.

Spawn camping occurs in every single match where any 1 team dominates the maps. Some servers are worse than others, but every server has folks who will partake in it.

If I have nothing better to do I’ll toggle my walk on and /wave or /bow at people. If they walk or emote back at me, I let them go :p

The only time siege has actually been necessary is vs SoS, where we kept them contained in their spawn for long periods of time due to their massive Oceanic presence.

Good luck to FA and DB vs Maguuma next week. I believe that match should be in FA’s favour, and it will be interesting to watch the score

~Nyari Cil, Queen.

I have to admit i was one of those people camping the DB spawnpoint at EB yesterday. We had the whole map except for the FA keep that our zerg was attacking. To be fair though it was just 2 of us on our alt characters, a lvl 16 ranger and a lvl 30 warrior, so if DB had sent more than 2 people out at once we woulda got killed. They didnt. After we killed about 10-12 guys 1 by 1 (probably the same dude) we just sat there, set up 2 arrow carts, took screenshots, and played around with the legendary guards. We left after half an hour though because we got bored XD

I will say that the brief time I’ve spent in WvW the last couple of days, I’ve seen most people advocating against spawn camping in map and team chat.

Nobody likes a landslide like this. I like winning and all, but…

I refuse to participate in spawn camping of any kind. I just go elsewhere.

I’ve only ever advocated for spawncamping against SoS to keep them from getting back on the map. Once that Oceanic crew gets going, oh man, watch out.

Quoting Mysticforce:
“… but no large zerg. Instead, we also operated in groups of 5, 10, or 20 (largest zerg I saw last night was when two groups combined and reached 30ish).”

I beg to differ. Screenshot is from just now outside Woodhaven, and it doesn’t show the rest of the TC zerg between the tower and FA garrison. Still fun fights though

Errr, what’s your point lol?

Wulfe.8092:

Threads of this nature are invitations for people to “pat their own backs” or take shots at the other servers whether deserved or not.

I’d rather it be seen as a place for mutual complement and shared story telling about exciting moments or something, with some light ribbing. This, I admit, might be a high bar to set on a net forum.

At least our thread only got closed once, as opposed to ending up like Darkhaven/Northern Shiverpeaks/Maguuma with their fourth thread lol.

Draganfuil.3546:

In one post you accuse me of stretching or misrepresenting the truth because I had no screenshots to back up my claim, yet you describe a situation, without a screenshot, that simply isn’t accurate. The time I was there with some TC folks running around with Halloween tonics, there were in fact quite a lot more than 5 TC people. “Random” siege… what exactly do you mean by random? It just fell out of your pockets and lo and behold ooops we got siege equipment. There were 2 ballistas on the vista with 4 folks from the same guild standing up there shooting at folks behind the gateway. 3 ballistas and, I believe, an arrow cart in the supply camp shooting at folks if they dared to go out the gateway. And then a LOT of folks that weren’t with the Halloween tonics running in front of the gateway from one side to the other side blasting folks on the wall and pulling them down when they got too close to the edge.

I’m not going to try to convince you that you weren’t being spawn camped; it’s just going to devolve to he said she said since my (admittedly imperfect) memory of the situation seems to be radically different from yours. I also wasn’t accusing you of lying any more than you’re now accusing me.

My point is that the issue has been debated to death in like fifty other threads before this. Spawn camping happens in overly one sided matches, either on purpose, or because the losing team attacks a group and then retreats to their spawn for safety. There are also three exits to every spawn, only one of which leads directly to a map objective (in Borderlands). When you call out guilds like this without anything to substantiate it, it’s just flame bait because it invites the opposing side to air out all their griefs as well, and also encourages less scrupulous people to just make things up. And honestly, assuming everything is as you said, what did you want to happen? A public ostracizing? An apology? I’d rather people just stuck to recounting exciting moments like Sharpclaw said and use a different thread to vent their issues if they really need to.

If you get annoyed by what someone says on a topic that is your problem. I didn’t point out any one person or call names or anything like that.
Take a chill pill and quite getting excited over black and white text.

And no I didn’t say we’d be ahead of anybody. I simply stated what you know is true. Whether or not you want to admit it or not. You can call anyone butthurt for whatever reason you choose to do so just like we can point out the obvious fact that #s make the match.
Arrogant? No not really. But I call it like I see it, and if you guys are really that ‘good’ then you wouldn’t be getting all bent out of shape over someone pointing out things that are evident in the server issues.

But aside from all of that, you still went right by the other points in the post… like matching up servers depending on their current WvW population. Then you’d really see what everyone else has been talking about non-stop.

And really, if you are going to claim we are butthurt because you are just sooo good, then drop to a low pop server and have at it. You have to admit it would be more of a challenge for you no?

I’ve deleted my posts. Guys, just delete anything you have reacting to FRI and report his posts. It’s not worth getting infractions and having the thread closed down again.

Don’t feed the troll.

Hey Dagger/Dagger human female elementalist of GODS with 2 white ponytails, it was a blast

You’re not really stating it ‘how it is’ or telling the truth … you’re stating your completely biased opinion and acting as though its Anet gospel. Any evidence you have is anecdotal. If I had 1g for every time someone from FA or DB said “if only we had more numbers, we’d CRUSH these guys”, I’d have Twilight by now.

Look up. I think we’ve already established that numbers are the determinant factor in Wuvwuv atm. You could have made your points without making snarky remarks. True, you didn’t say it but your comment goes so far as to imply it.

“If FA had a handful or 2 of more regular and descent players it would be a whole different story.”

Where, in my post, did I say TC are “sooo good”? Point that out. Please. Some Fort Aspenwood players come across as butthurt because quite a few of the posts here haven’t been about numbers, but rather about how TC aren’t very good players or how we ruined the match. If you want to have a proper discussion, leave the politics out.

And you misunderstand. We’re not getting bent out of shape because you’re pointing out the obvious; we’re annoyed because you can’t seem to state your points without weaving in some unnecessary remarks about TC. Don’t act as if you didn’t know some of what you’d written wouldn’t annoy people. Don’t feign innocence and dress up your posts.

Usagi.4835:

I think we’ve already established that numbers are the determinant factor in Wuvwuv atm.

This is true. I wouldn’t be surprised if for all matchups on all tiers, POPULATION has the highest correlation to server score. As I’ve stated a few times, all servers have good players and not so good players…..and with 7day/24hour matches over 4 different maps…population imbalances pretty much trump everything from a macro score perspective.

@comments on players “skill”, again all servers have good and bad…..but hypothesis to perhaps suggest there is some elements of truth in some perceptions – atm for FA and DB – virtually no fairweather players are queueing – its only people who enjoy challenging PvP for the most part…..for TC: as has been stated by numerous players from TC in this thread, you’ve got the new players checking it out (map completion), you’ve got the fairweather players as your winning handedly, you’ve got the bored players as there is nothing to do on a map virtually devoid of opposition on some of the BL, and you’ve apparently got some of your WvW focussed guilds sitting out…..so is it any surprise that perceptions of AVERAGE player “skill” may be skewed……just a thought. Personally I’ve seen good and poor play by all servers…..its a game who cares /shrug

This thread has really devolved into some ridiculous kitten. What ever happened to losing graciously?

so is it any surprise that perceptions of AVERAGE player “skill” may be skewed

You’re right actually, perceptions are skewed, that’s why it’s surprising that some poster tries to put it out as if it’s actually fact….

rhyein.6172:

When you call out guilds like this without anything to substantiate it, it’s just flame bait because it invites the opposing side to air out all their griefs as well, and also encourages less scrupulous people to just make things up. And honestly, assuming everything is as you said, what did you want to happen? A public ostracizing? An apology? I’d rather people just stuck to recounting exciting moments like Sharpclaw said and use a different thread to vent their issues if they really need to.

I’m not keen on the notion that if someone has a valid complaint but had a lapse in foresight and didn’t take a screenshot, then their assertions are unscrupulous and unfounded. And, I never said I wanted apologies or anything else from anybody nor am I naive to expect such things to come out of this environment of attitude and chest thumping; I merely wanted to vent my frustrations in a thread titled “Dragonbrand, Fort Aspenwood, Tarnished Coast” concerning the camping taking place in the matchup between these three servers. You want narratives of exciting moments from folks. I want honorable and sporting combat, not unskilled, boring, and classless camping.

Take it easy and have fun next week.

Dragonbrand: SM, TW and GODS, thanks to ya fer the huge amounts of fun at tha Pangloss Rise supply camp tonight. Those were truly fun back an forths and we appreciated the time and effort on yer part.

Time well spent, mates.

-W

Draganfuil.3546:

I’m not keen on the notion that if someone has a valid complaint but had a lapse in foresight and didn’t take a screenshot, then their assertions are unscrupulous and unfounded. And, I never said I wanted apologies or anything else from anybody nor am I naive to expect such things to come out of this environment of attitude and chest thumping; I merely wanted to vent my frustrations in a thread titled “Dragonbrand, Fort Aspenwood, Tarnished Coast” concerning the camping taking place in the matchup between these three servers. You want narratives of exciting moments from folks. I want honorable and sporting combat, not unskilled, boring, and classless camping.

Take it easy and have fun next week.

Man, you aren’t even reading what I’m typing. Please do that before putting more words in my mouth. But I guess it doesn’t matter either way. All this complaining when FA specifically told us they were hitting us last week to drop us into their bracket (not that we needed the help) is just about as classless as spawn camping.

Had fun tonight in FA BL. Great to see Pain Train out there against us. I was the big guardian from TC with the 2H hammer/staff, Colbane. Respect to all of you. Wish the best for FA in their next round.

What we players need to remember is that our frustration is really with the broken mechanics that Anet hasn’t fixed yet. Don’t take it out on each other.

I know it is also a little absurd to create all-out world war and expect folks to act civil…

I enjoyed most of my time in wvw this week. Good luck to TC and DB in your next matchups!

Vytality, HOPE, Fort Aspenwood

Personally I think spawn camping (interdiction) is a valid tactic and have no qualms with it. It’s only annoying to the newer people who run straight out into Ballista fire without thinking. That being said trying to deny it’s constantly happening is a little silly. I have PLENTY of screenshots of large guild groups parked right outside the spawn and if you’d like I’ll post a few when I head home from work. I had a good little sparring match with a commander named something like “Danni” for awhile right out front of one the FA spawns the other day.

Also regarding the zergs… TC you do have people that melt like butter when I walk through them (edit: I know FA does too.. I can see the PUGs lol). I feel like Moses parting the red sea sometimes and I wonder why your giant groups get turned around by a single Mesmer. That isn’t to say you don’t have skilled players as well, you do.. but they seem few and far between (I have to look out for em, cause every now and then I’ll get pounced on by an annoying group of Thieves). Maybe it’s all the up-leveled people or something.

Usagi.4835:

Why generally? Why can’t you agree with me completely!? You must! You’re part of Tarnished Coast! And we have to be cohesive! poke AGREE WITH ME COMPLETELY! ;~;

Ok fine! I agree completely! :P

:)

In response to Stonesolid’s anecdote above, I can just as easily talk about the 3 DB players I killed by myself in a 3 on 1 fight yesterday morning. I can talk about it, but it doesn’t mean all DB players are bad, and yet you say TC players “melt like butter” and you feel like “Moses parting the red sea”. Perhaps you are an above average player, perhaps those people going elsewhere are trying to get to an objective quickly rather than get slowed up fighting you, or perhaps you are exaggerating – hard to really know. In any case, it is one anecdote in possibly hundreds of anecdotes from hundreds of players – WvW can make you feel like a champ one minute, and a klutz the next if you run into a skilled player (or two, or three), but making sweeping generalizations based off your personal anecdotes is odd. Particularly when what I’ve read in this thread for the most part is TC players acknowledging FA and DB player skill (with the odd troll here and there not doing so), only to be met with scornful comments for the most part in return.

Long story short, we acknowledge WvW’s shortcomings when it comes to creating closer and more competitive matchups, but if TC players are so terrible, and our competitor’s players are so god-like, why, even if your numbers were less than ours, is the score so lopsided? And don’t tell me it is because of night-capping, because according to your post, a “single mesmer” can turn back a sea of TC players…just put your mesmers on night duty – problem solved :P. I’m being facetious of course, but my point is, you are making points that aren’t logically connected…you say our players are so terrible and you can turn back a sea of us, and yet you didn’t. “but the numbers were overwhelming”…hey, if you are gonna claim you are Moses, you can’t use overwhelming numbers as an excuse…

So again, I believe reset is today – can we all just agree there are shortcomings Anet needs to fix with WvW, but that doesn’t equate to any one server’s players being baddies or godlike? We all know we have different levels of players on our servers – the sweeping generalizations are silly.

Unlimited [ULTD] had a blast in EB last night, and this entire matchup. FA can look forward to facing TC again. Tons of fun this round, win or lose the fights were amazing.

Good luck to all in the reset tonight, and cheers to future battles.