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actually the 2v1 is pretty strong in this matchup. Jade quarry will charge out and attack our overlook. We push them back to SMC, only to get blindsided by an SBI zerg that keeps sneaking past anz for literally no reason BUT to come fight us as we chase away JQ.

Or at least that was what was happening last night. We also had groups of 5 walk down to golanta and cap it without an resistance from either team, so clearly there was no fighting on that front when I was on.

There’s nothing wrong with a 2v1 if blackgate is in the lead (that’s how its MEANT to work) but denying that it’s there seems a little foolish, when it’s quite obvious to anyone who spends more than an hour playing for the BG side.

Are you guys seriously going to start with the 2v1 crying again? JQ was constantly attacking us in EB last night, so your silly QQ is completely untrue. 2v1s are always going to happen at some point.

Nobody is 2v1ing anyone intentionally. I mean take last night for example around 2:00 am EST. I get on BG’s BL. SBI was held at around spawn, we called it Pride Rock, for what seemed like HOURS. BG on one side and JQ on the other. So tell me, how is that not 2v1ing anyone, holding people at a spawn point? Am I complaning? NO!

2v1ing is GOING to happen in this game. It is a 3 way matchup. Is it intentional, probably not. We at SBI enjoy the, “Oh good, JQ is attacking BG now, maybe it will relieve some of the pressure off of us.” We also deal very well with payback. You take something of ours, we will come back ten fold with a zerg. It is like poking the hornets nest. Don’t do it.

To everyone who’s been crying about 2v1 since forever,

Yes, it’s intentional. We all hate you that much, whatever server “you” maybe. You have two options.

1. Learn to deal with it and quit crying about it every week
2. Get out of T1

Sincerely,
Everyone else

Since SBI got an influx of guilds from ET and BG are they now the bandwagon server or?

Current score update:

I dont really understand why everyone assumes that it’s crying when you point out what SHOULD occur if all teams had proper game sense.

Here, lets lay out some math

JQ: 310
SBI : 200
BG: 185

Now lets assume everyone is playing to win. As second place, SBI needs 115 potential points to start beating JQ. The question becomes, “where do they get it”? Attacking blackgate as SBI right now is A. entirely foolish and B. bad game sense. Devoting your forces to attacking blackgate is worst case scenario for you. In order to beat JQ that way, you would need to take well over half of BG’s lands. Meanwhile, if you attack JQ, you only need to take 60 potential points from them in order to start winning. Not only is this less points than 110. But it also opens you up to a 2v1 advantage, in which SBI and BG attack JQ. (and BG should go for JQ assuming SBI isnt attacking BG, as it will be the fastest way to get points)

JQ currently needs to attack either A. whoever would enable double teaming (For example, if SBI were to attack BG, then JQ should attack BG, as it would be the 2v1 advantage for them) or B. the people in second place (currently SBI) as they are the biggest threat.

In short if you are playing to win:
Second place should always attack first place, even if first is going for last.
Last place should always attack with second place if possible. If not possible, then you’re either being double teamed and cant win, or should attack second place with first place.
First place should always attack with second or third place if possible, and second place if not.

Last night, JQ was the team with bad game sense. Based on the recent SBI posts I can only assume that its currently SBI with bad game sense. Which saddens me because they certainly seemed to have better game sense last night. Maybe it’s just the US primetime SBI that is bad. Who knows.

Again in short:
The only team who should be getting 2v1’d is the people in first. If this isnt happening, then some team is playing stupidly, and by god i’m going to point them out and ask what the heck they think they’re doing. ;p

Zenyatoo.4059:

Again in short:
The only team who should be getting 2v1’d is the people in first. If this isnt happening, then some team is playing stupidly, and by god i’m going to point them out and ask what the heck they think they’re doing. ;p

Completely wrong. Mainly because there are many other reasons to attack, eg. the team is already being attacked, they lack the manpower to defend so it’s easier to take, or the zerg is simply in full zerg mode and hits whatever they see. Your also forgetting this is a game on 4 maps with there own battles going on. If one server is trebbing another server, it makes zero difference what score the server has, they’re going to attack where that treb is period. I honestly don’t know what your expecting. This isn’t 1v1, its 1v1v1. By definition, every server is fighting 2v1.

GW2 WvW scoring and overall system is just fat out flawed. Need some key changes or the population is gonna continue to shrink…

I am pretty sure everyone on Blackgate knows the situation so we had some guilds leave.

If we win = we are hackers.
If we lose = we suck.

Either way, the whole BG hacking whine (even though all three servers were guilty of it) pretty much hurt us. A lot of us are still sticking around and holding strong though. It’s just sad to see the people who whined and cried, threw a trantum by not playing with histoys err I mean game anymore is now getting there way. And to top it off, they think they’re fighting what BG was composed of prior to the whine.

Oh well, good luck everyone.

I was really hoping since this was a rematch that we would leave the accusations and excuses behind this fight.

I’m glad I still enjoy a good fight.

Zenyatoo.4059:

I dont really understand why everyone assumes that it’s crying when you point out what SHOULD occur if all teams had proper game sense.

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Last night, JQ was the team with bad game sense. Based on the recent SBI posts I can only assume that its currently SBI with bad game sense. Which saddens me because they certainly seemed to have better game sense last night. Maybe it’s just the US primetime SBI that is bad. Who knows.

Again in short:
The only team who should be getting 2v1’d is the people in first. If this isnt happening, then some team is playing stupidly, and by god i’m going to point them out and ask what the heck they think they’re doing. ;p

Te make it clear – for SBI, if it’s red it’s dead. I’ve been on the maps at many different times and I can certify that there was never “hit this one for points strategy and leave the other be”. We are vikings raiding the coast – when we see a town -we take it.

Any server wide strategy based on point gains is a failure, mostly because points mean nothing – the enjoyment of the fight is the most important part.

Not engaging in 2vs1 might cost us points sometimes – yet doing it would cost us our pride.

To whoever said SBI is the bandwagon server.

Not possible. For many reasons. SBI has only one time NOT been in Tier 1. Just once. SBI usually maintained a consistent 2nd overall place. Now here’s the deal, Just because SBI got first place the past two weeks, doesn’t really mean that SBI is the bandwagon server. We’ve shown that SBI can dominate without having a bunch of people transferring.

Also, to whoever said that SBI primetime is bad. That answer is yes. I’ve tried playing in primetime for SBI before, and I just can’t do it. Waiting 30-45 minutes for queue just to find out with are losing horribly. People are making bad decisions. But I’ve notice from midnight till 5-6 am, we tend to start doing really well. And I also have to most fun playing with those guys. Early morning is a bit shaky. Early afternoon is horrible, there wasn’t a single commander on today.

Hooray for quote bugs

“Completely wrong. Mainly because there are many other reasons to attack, eg. the team is already being attacked, they lack the manpower to defend so it’s easier to take”

If you read you’d note that I explained this. Obviously if you can get a 2v1 advantage you take it, the issue is that this shouldnt occur to an already losing team. If a team is already being attacked, then you can assess the situation. Which team is being attacked, what position are they, who are their attackers, what position are they, and then you can figure out who is being stupid at the point in time. The fact is, if 1 team is being attacked, then 1 team is attacking, and BOTH of them are ripe for the picking. The question then becomes “Which team would it be more profitable to attack” and in almost all scenario’s the answer should be “Whichever team has more land we can take from”

“when we see a town -we take it.”
This is true, however, generally speaking you have 2 directions to travel on any given map, with differing enemies in those directions. If you are purposefully moving in the direction filled with enemies that it’s less profitable to attack, then you’re doing it wrong ;o

You need to edit the title—

SBI + JQ vs. BG.

That would appear to be more accurate.

PLEASE for the love of it all, stop complaining abut being 2v1’d. It is going to happen. It will happen. There is no way to stop it, unless we switch to a W4 layout, which is happening. There is no alliance between JQ and SBI, just respect. We at SBI, at least the night crew, just go like this, “Hey, you see that keep?” “Yeah?” “Lets take it, turn your commander tag and lets take that kitten.” “OK!”

Yeah, like that. Not planned, just going at it, and it usually only like 4-7 of us in TeamSpeak. We let the zerg do our dirty work.

We don’t care what server you are, we don’t help anyone out. We just kill. All we like to do is kill. In fact, some of us don’t care about the points, only killing.

… hmm, is it me or are they trying to say just ignore them until they get ahead of both servers? you guys would rather keep crying about 2v1 than do something about it… IF you cant handle the scale of 2v1 here in Tier 1, then by all means transfer somewhere else… it’s 3 servers fighting non-stop spread across all 4 maps… you can not tell the other players on another map do this and do that when you’re trying to keep/take the lands on the bl you are in…
there is no way anyone is able to do that on this kind of game, be realistic pls

Have to get a chuckle out of BG.

For four days they raved about what a great Server they were how they were beating everything and everyone that entered WvW

Four days later they are Boo hoo we are getting beat up

So my question is, what happen to all the boosting?

You guys talk about 2v1 way too much. Everyone gets 2v1 in Tier 1 at some point. This is what happens when you have 3 strong servers battling it out. Jade Quarry has long been our #1 rival. To think we’d ever team up with them is ridiculous. If we attack Blackgate as the same time as them, it’s because we’re taking advantage of your split forces at the time. Do we do it to Jade Quarry too? Absolutely.

Hold the kittening phone. People still whining about 2v1? Oh it’s Blackgate. That’s understandable. You’re new to tier 1. You clearly still don’t understand how WvW works.

If you can’t handle the 2v1, you DON’T kittenING BELONG IN TIER 1.

JQ has been 2v1’d. They whined, they got used to it. They now are solid when facing a 2v1.

SBI has been 2v1’d heavily. We whined, we got used to it. We can now mount a solid defense in a 2v1 situation.

BG gets 2v1’d. They whine. They continue to whine. They give up. Maybe in another week you’ll get used to it and learn how to mount a 2v1 defense and prepare for a counter instead of giving the kitten up.

My favorite memory of WvW is still a time when JQ and HoD 2v1’d the hell out of us for 7 consecutive hours in EB. No swords at all between JQ and HoD; none, nada. It took them 7 full hours to wipe us off the map in a FULL ON 2v1 situation. And I enjoyed every kittening second of it.

Two weeks ago.. when we were doing JQ vs IOJ vs SBI, all we heard was “OMG BlackGate is coming.. you guys have to be on the lookout for BlackGate! they are a monster! they got all HOD’s bandwagons! you cant beat them! OMG they just beat the other guys by 500k points.”
Now I’m pretty certain JQ’s leaders and players heard the same.
Enter BG to T-1. They roar in like a hurricane and immediately dominate with these incredibly brilliant new tactics that neither SBI or JQ had ever seen before. Then the bragging started. ‘BeastGate son! you cant beat us we just beat both of you 1v2, you guys suck cant nothing stop BeastGate! oh they have been demoralized and given up we thought this was t-1 why arent we getting any challenge yawn."
So, seeing this, and hearing these taunts, what would JQ and SBI’s next move be? To avoid BG? or give them a proper welcoming? Like some of the other posters point out, at SBI, we use some pretty set strategies in who gets attacked and who gets left alone. If theres a map that is 70 red, 20 blue and 10 green… we will leave the blue and go for the red unless blue attacks us.. then we drive blue off the map and focus on red again. We are in for the win, and if that means letting the 3d place team cap the first place holdings, it’s kind of a brilliant move don’t ya think? I mean first place will always be attacked first.
Good luck this week guys… Remember, don’t shoot all of your bullets during the opening salvo.

It’s a waste of breath guys, I don’t think they have the capacity to see reason about 2v1. They believe BG should be stomping both of our servers, and when it’s not we are obviously joining together to defeat them, since that’s the only way given how superior BG is. All BG is doing is giving people motivation to ACTUALLY target them.

I’m seeing a few commanders I’ve never seen before in SBI so maybe we did get a few guilds transferred in. Any way we can get a list of guild tags or names? I’d like to know which commanders to avoid.

I’m seeing a few commanders I’ve never seen before in SBI so maybe we did get a few guilds transferred in. Any way we can get a list of guild tags or names? I’d like to know which commanders to avoid.

I’d say give every commander a chance. If a commander consistently works against the team or makes poor choices, then you know that is a commander you do not want to follow. Watch team chat closely, commanders who talk frequently in team chat with viable/intelligent strategies are commanders you want to follow.

Silent commanders are mostly the ones I avoid. Or commanders that consistently make poor decisions. Until someone proves himself incompetent, I give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

elderan.2638:

It’s a waste of breath guys, I don’t think they have the capacity to see reason about 2v1. They believe BG should be stomping both of our servers, and when it’s not we are obviously joining together to defeat them, since that’s the only way given how superior BG is. All BG is doing is giving people motivation to ACTUALLY target them.

They’re still in denial mode. Give them time, maybe they move on soon.

So what is the other supposed to do? If two teams are fighting then the third doing anything is a 2v1 in some sense. Are you really suggesting that one server stop all activity just because you are fighting the other one?

Never heard so much QQ from all three servers… My server whines about 2v1 non-stop, JQ and SBI just whine about BG hacking or stacking. Pathetic… They will likely close this thread do to the 85% QQ in every post.

I will address my server, you guys need to buck up. If we get last place (whether they 2v1 or not, IT DOES NOT MATTER), and we fight like hellions against them, we will earn some respect… Learn to be graceful winners and losers.

Was an Anz on EB. One wall was being attack by JQ and a different wall was being attacked by SBI. Both groups never attack each other. Don’t even try to say both servers are not 2v1 BG.

To all BG complaining about a 2v1. Stop complaining and just get on with it, 2v1 is part of the game design. If we cant hack it then as has been said we dont belong in T1!

If you come to a forum and boast about how good you are, you best be able to back it up, so far we arent backing it up very well. Similarly you cant come to a forum, accuse a server of cheating and not expect that to have a negative effect, i think everyone knew kitten well what they were doing last week.

Use this thread to talk about the good things in this match, the great battles and encounters. Leave the kitten talking out of it.

I fail to see what is resolved by coming on this forum and whining about hacks and 2v1. This will happen, there is nothing you can do about it and nobody gives a flying kitten about what you (the OP) have to say about it. The only thing that is accomplished is making the OP look like a complete kitten and giving your server a reputation for being a bunch of whiners. There are appropriate channels to report hacking (not this thread) and 2v1, well if you can’t stand the heat then stay out of the kitchen. Let’s keep this thread respectful and check your whining at the door.

Here’s the latest score. (if anyone cares)

I’m sorry you feel the Hills situation was not legit, it was. It was a very patient Mesmer. I understand why you think it might not be because who would wait inside a keep that long.. well that’s what a planted Mesmer does.

I was there myself for the plant so I know how he got in legit, cuz I did. There is no more to tell I’m sorry if this doesn’t ease your mind in the nature of good sportsmanship, that you missed something and there was no foul play, but that’s it. I’m sorry if you remain upset but there’s nothing else to say, we are crafty folk us Mesmer and can play tricks with your eyes and all…

Enjoying match even with the constant out-manned going on lol. Lots of great 2v1s and 1v1v1s going on so far I gotta remember to start hitting fraps sooner lol. But I agree “if it’s red it’s dead” IMO.

Arreyanne.2683

Have to get a chuckle out of BG.

For four days they raved about what a great Server they were how they were beating everything and everyone that entered WvW

Four days later they are Boo hoo we are getting beat up

So my question is, what happen to all the boAsting?

Many of the FoTM players began leaving us Wednesday. As I’ve said before, Blackgate rarely trashtalked on these forums until the transfers starting arriving 3 weeks ago. Add the native guilds who probably left after the witch hunt last week and you are fighting whats left over of Blackgate.

We have no where near the player loses HoD and ET suffered, but we lost some of our coverage.

Kysin.6349

I will address my server, you guys need to buck up. If we get last place (whether they 2v1 or not, IT DOES NOT MATTER), and we fight like hellions against them, we will earn some respect… Learn to be graceful winners and losers.

This is how Blackgate was 4 weeks ago, unfortunately our scrapiness attracted FoTM players and look where that got us.

When the Garrison commander went perma-immune on day one of a matchup, BG didnt whine about hacks, we played on as if nothing happened.

When the quaggans were bugging our orbs, we didn’t whine, we just kept trying and trying to cap them.

Removal of the orbs was a good thing, if only so the next FoTM server to get ruined by server hoppers wont take the backlash Blackgate did for the actions of a few.

This is evident in the lack of outcry from SBI and JQ for the hills incident earlier.

A mesmer that hids in the Hills for 4 hours, not discovered and not moving, while possible is highly unlikely. The thing to do would have been to take screenies.

I formally require from now on that any mesmer that hids takes regular screenshots, just in case his presence is contested. In absence of said screenies, people have the right to call foul play.

Magni.2835:

So what is the other supposed to do? If two teams are fighting then the third doing anything is a 2v1 in some sense. Are you really suggesting that one server stop all activity just because you are fighting the other one?

I’ve been trying to figure this out too for the longest while as well, i always thought that if it’s only 3 servers in a single match, then it will obviously mean that while 1 server fighting the other, then the 3rd server has to attack someone or something if they want to earn points as well, therefore i think people should all just stop crying about 2v1 and realise it’s only 3 servers, IT WILL ALWAYS BE 2v1 !!!!!!!!

earendil.1290:

A mesmer that hids in the Hills for 4 hours, not discovered and not moving, while possible is highly unlikely. The thing to do would have been to take screenies.

I formally require from now on that any mesmer that hids takes regular screenshots, just in case his presence is contested. In absence of said screenies, people have the right to call foul play.

This was brought up, and I even said a couple times “jeez they are gonna QQ on the forums over this one I should SS”, but #1 it gives away where and how I was evading for so long and #2, that’s up there with asking every time 9 golems show up at water-gate tho show your work. When you do something really well, just because they didn’t figure out how we did it doesn’t mean we need to show them our math.. lay out how it was done to ease their minds.

For the record, I’ve seen more complaining about the complaining in the last part of this thread than I have seen actual BG players saying a 2v1 is unfair.

I’m a Blackgate GM and a Commander and in every tier ever, you are fighting a two front war. 2v1 exists and we as a server accept that. Those who complain about it are clearly inexperienced and don’t know how to face adversity. I will never complain about a 2v1 even if it seems tactically ridiculous to be participating in one. For example, a 2v1 against an underpopulated server during off-hours when they are outmanned, perfectly legitimate because it lets you pick up points with minimal resistance. A 2v1 against the 3rd place team during primetime when every map is full, not advisable. I think what BG players who are upset are trying to say is that the 1st place team should be the target if all sides are offering equal resistance because you are playing to win, right? Personally, I don’t really see a reason to stick it to the third place team when they are fighting just as hard with a full map as the first place team. Logic would dictate that 2nd would want to fight 1st, 3rd would want to fight first, and 1st would want to fight 2nd to keep them down in points. These roles would change fluidly based on who is in what place. Potentially, it is also viable to attack whatever team holds the most points at any given time so when Blackgate is at +300 in a close game even though they are in 3rd, a seeming 2v1 against us would not be unwarranted.

Overall, the truth of the matter is there is a LOT of unwarranted hostility towards Blackgate regarding orb hacks that were condemned and reported by our community. It was also documented that the accounts of those orb hackers were accounts that were known to have been on SBI previously. SBI’s leadership (Vihar GM of [Rage] especially) has explicitly stated that they wish to “punt” Blackgate out of tier 1 because we don’t play with honor. I am personally offended by this and the leadership on SBI has also stated that they don’t care about what JQ is doing as long as they can stick it to Blackgate. These opinions are those of SBI’s leadership and I find them to be incredibly immature. They not only paint the entire server with the brush that we are a bunch of hackers, but they then stop playing the game and start a personal vendetta against Blackgate. I was hoping that this week could improve things, but the elitist sentiments on SBI to decide who deservers to be in tier 1 seem to be clouding what otherwise had the potential to be a great match.

So before anyone starts denying that a degree of unnecessary force is being sent towards Blackgate, you should probably check what the leadership of major guilds and communities on your own servers have said. We’ll keep fighting, but don’t think that collusion doesn’t exist just because 2v1 is well within the intended parameters of WvW so it makes all actions in war beyond reproach.

Arani.9057:

earendil.1290:

A mesmer that hids in the Hills for 4 hours, not discovered and not moving, while possible is highly unlikely. The thing to do would have been to take screenies.

I formally require from now on that any mesmer that hids takes regular screenshots, just in case his presence is contested. In absence of said screenies, people have the right to call foul play.

This was brought up, and I even said a couple times “jeez they are gonna QQ on the forums over this one I should SS”, but #1 it gives away where and how I was evading for so long and #2, that’s up there with asking every time 9 golems show up at water-gate tho show your work. When you do something really well, just because they didn’t figure out how we did it doesn’t mean we need to show them our math.. lay out how it was done to ease their minds.

Don’t forget that our inner keep and outer keep was never breached. So you should have taken a screenshot. Because we have video and we saw how JQ was clumped towards the wall trying to do something. Until there is a shred of proof that your play was clean, then my opinion and the evidence that we have remains unchanged that this was foul play without a doubt. You have some serious gall to show yourself here and proclaim that you were hiding for 4 hours and then not provide a shred of proof by shrugging it off as a trade secret.

Esoteric.5490:

Arani.9057:

earendil.1290:

A mesmer that hids in the Hills for 4 hours, not discovered and not moving, while possible is highly unlikely. The thing to do would have been to take screenies.

I formally require from now on that any mesmer that hids takes regular screenshots, just in case his presence is contested. In absence of said screenies, people have the right to call foul play.

This was brought up, and I even said a couple times “jeez they are gonna QQ on the forums over this one I should SS”, but #1 it gives away where and how I was evading for so long and #2, that’s up there with asking every time 9 golems show up at water-gate tho show your work. When you do something really well, just because they didn’t figure out how we did it doesn’t mean we need to show them our math.. lay out how it was done to ease their minds.

Don’t forget that our inner keep and outer keep was never breached. So you should have taken a screenshot. Because we have video and we saw how JQ was clumped towards the wall trying to do something. Until there is a shred of proof that your play was clean, then my opinion and the evidence that we have remains unchanged that this was foul play without a doubt. You have some serious gall to show yourself here and proclaim that you were hiding for 4 hours and then not provide a shred of proof by shrugging it off as a trade secret.

the inner gate was breached, how did you get in? BL did not own it on rematch, its not BGBL. And when it’s that blatantly apparent that you missed YOU walked through he big hole in the gate… ONLY in BGBL can you make this claim

Esoteric, it seems regardless of your long ridiculous posts, you won’t be convinced that we did not hack (about what you are talking about), so I’m just going to ignore your posts. Go post on the glitches/exploit forums, don’t post it here because it don’t matter. There’s nothing that anyone can say that will disprove what you are talking about even with screenshots/video because you clearly got it stuck in your mind that JQ is hacking for whatever reasons.

Cover Girl.2580:

Two weeks ago.. when we were doing JQ vs IOJ vs SBI, all we heard was “OMG BlackGate is coming.. you guys have to be on the lookout for BlackGate! they are a monster! they got all HOD’s bandwagons! you cant beat them! OMG they just beat the other guys by 500k points.”
Now I’m pretty certain JQ’s leaders and players heard the same.
Enter BG to T-1. They roar in like a hurricane and immediately dominate with these incredibly brilliant new tactics that neither SBI or JQ had ever seen before. Then the bragging started. ‘BeastGate son! you cant beat us we just beat both of you 1v2, you guys suck cant nothing stop BeastGate! oh they have been demoralized and given up we thought this was t-1 why arent we getting any challenge yawn."
So, seeing this, and hearing these taunts, what would JQ and SBI’s next move be? To avoid BG? or give them a proper welcoming? Like some of the other posters point out, at SBI, we use some pretty set strategies in who gets attacked and who gets left alone. If theres a map that is 70 red, 20 blue and 10 green… we will leave the blue and go for the red unless blue attacks us.. then we drive blue off the map and focus on red again. We are in for the win, and if that means letting the 3d place team cap the first place holdings, it’s kind of a brilliant move don’t ya think? I mean first place will always be attacked first.
Good luck this week guys… Remember, don’t shoot all of your bullets during the opening salvo.

Why do SBCry and JQQ players keep forgetting what they did? BG did dominate for the first few days, but the constant crying took its toll. “BG are all hackers”, “Hackgate”, and “they are using an exploitative tactics!”. Players from your servers filled the forums with these comments, getting many a thread closed, and at the very same time where given advantages by their own hackers/exploiters.

It is incredibly demoralizing to know that if you win “you’ve only won because of hacks” according to other servers because they continually whined about how your server hacks even though theirs does as well. A lot of people quit doing WvW at that point because what’s the point if you’re known as a hacker. Some guilds flat out transferred. Since from Tuesday→Friday BG was lucky to have a queue for any map.

BG took a big player hit because of the hackers and forum crying. While I hope it doesn’t happen, I think JQ and SBI will reap what they sow. Hackers will be spotted on their servers and the same will fate will befall them. I believe JQ has already been caught with the latest exploited keep garrison take, oh I’m sorry how is it trying to be played off? A phantom mesmer that stayed inside the garrison for 4+ hours?

As for 2v1, while I don’t think it’s a full on server alliance there are definite cases of SBI/JQ ignoring JQ/SBI or even helping them when there is no logical reason for it. It’s a legit tactic however it is really poor sportsmanship at this point.

Esoteric.5490:

It was also documented that the accounts of those orb hackers were accounts that were known to have been on SBI previously. SBI’s leadership (Vihar GM of [Rage] especially) has explicitly stated that they wish to “punt” Blackgate out of tier 1 because we don’t play with honor. I am personally offended by this and the leadership on SBI has also stated that they don’t care about what JQ is doing as long as they can stick it to Blackgate. These opinions are those of SBI’s leadership and I find them to be incredibly immature. .

This is pure BS. Please send me any proof for hackers were from SBI by PM – It’s the first time I hear about it – I will personally check with our leaders and clear the issue. It’s not impossible – but it’s the first time I hear about it.

As for Vihar’s call and “the leaders that backed him” – just read the thread by yourself – it’s still up on our forums – the only ones in this tier available to anyone. We have nothing to hide.

http://www.stormbluffisle.com/index.php/forum/wvw/907-a-thought-on-what-we-can-do-for-fair-play

“Esoteric, it seems regardless of your long ridiculous posts, you won’t be convinced that we did not hack (about what you are talking about), so I’m just going to ignore your posts. Go post on the glitches/exploit forums, don’t post it here because it don’t matter. There’s nothing that anyone can say that will disprove what you are talking about even with screenshots/video because you clearly got it stuck in your mind that JQ is hacking for whatever reasons.” -aphillyboy.2064

Prove me wrong. You are from the guild in question so it only makes sense. Yourself, Arani, and others have just adopted the policy of “deny, deny, deny”. Now that we have his account name, let’s see how wrong you are when ANet bans him.

Not to mention, he would have had to hide there for 8 hours, not 4. Your missed facts only raise more questions. I’ll say it again, PROVE. ME. WRONG.

earendil.1290:

This is pure BS. Please send me any proof for hackers were from SBI by PM – It’s the first time I hear about it – I will personally check with our leaders and clear the issue. It’s not impossible – but it’s the first time I hear about it.

As for Vihar’s call and “the leaders that backed him” – just read the thread by yourself – it’s still up on our forums – the only ones in this tier available to anyone. We have nothing to hide.

http://www.stormbluffisle.com/index.php/forum/wvw/907-a-thought-on-what-we-can-do-for-fair-play

I read that thread, previously. As for the info on the accounts, I’ll see what I can get for you. I don’t own the evidence personally as I seldom play on BL’s

Ya know ever since last week when we hit Tier 1, you guy’s sure had your finger pointed at us for whatever reason. We came in and Steam rolled your butts. So, you teamed up with the other server to take us out. Bravo Bravo. Now it’s the 2nd week of a pretty good match up, but this time ppl are and were ready for any foul play. Way to many ppl got busted and SS’s and video’s were made as prof. Now it’s to my understanding that in GW1 the GM’s were on 24/7 so that if ppl were hacking or whatever the big black Grim Reaper appeared and slice your head off and you received a message that you have been BANNED from whatever GM it was. Where, what is our Ban Grim Reaper?
Oh and one way note here, YES JQ AND SB are working together. we have video of the servers NOT attacking each other while SB stood still and let JQ do the fighting. We even have the both of you guys standing together.

“while SB let JQ do the fighting” you mean while they watched us waste our resources on you wipe then they take what we “loosened” lols. Not to take away from SBI for the tactic of course, just sux to be on that side of it. You guys kill me when saying there is server teamwork on any organized level. I do get how it feels that way sometimes, you can even hear us say it on TS “yep there’s SBI watching BG kill us” … Knowing survival means getting ready for next wave lol.

Was a really great Garrison Throne room 3 way that was so much fun. Soooooo much red.

Arani.9057:

“while SB let JQ do the fighting” you mean while they watched us waste our resources on you wipe then they take what we “loosened” lols. Not to take away from SBI for the tactic of course, just sux to be on that side of it. You guys kill me when saying there is server teamwork on any organized level. I do get how it feels that way sometimes, you can even hear us say it on TS “yep there’s SBI watching BG kill us” … Knowing survival means getting ready for next wave lol.

Was a really great Garrison Throne room 3 way that was so much fun. Soooooo much red.

Something I agree with you on. It’s perfectly legit to back off and let someone else do the dirty work just to sweep up the victory. I’ve done it myself. There are a couple guilds that are working together across servers, to my understanding, but on a whole, they are not friends or allies and they want to win just as bad as we on Blackgate do.

Enjoy, please feel free to stream-snipe the guy with no delay. Its BG, he was asked by a few to turn the delay up more, but apparently 10 seconds is enough.

http://www.twitch.tv/nosleeptv

“Oh and one way note here, YES JQ AND SB are working together. we have video of the servers NOT attacking each other while SB stood still and let JQ do the fighting. We even have the both of you guys standing together.
Z Ultimate Warroir -80 Ranger (LotD) BlackGate”

I find it hard to take anyone seriously that spells their name Warroir… Nice to see LotD on Blackgate this week. Have you guys decided which server to jump to next? I think SBI is full and cant accept you hoppin over since we are #1.
I will start telling all of SBI to turn and run away whenever we see BG being attacked by ANYTHING, including the random NPCs in game so they don’t cry foul. We wouldn’t want them to not be able to “steamroll” us like they did last week.

Saturday 11/03/12 8:30PM EST report:
http://imgur.com/Bb1Qg

Things are pretty even now as predicted, see you on the weekdays.