Guild Wars 2

I think the main problem with the bottom tiers is being able to res after defeated. a small group vs a zerg is really no problem the problem comes after you down X amount . and the last 5 people stop fighting and jump on a corpse. your team Aoe’s them but it doesn’t matter, sure u may get one or 2 into downed state, but he’s res’d by the 3-4 other guys.. (alot faster 2 since he ‘s downed and not defeated) then they just repeat until there 20 are standing again. by this time your small group is on full cd or out of initiative, your forced to back up. which allows them to res even more guys!. Whatever server your fighting for, you have no doubt seen something along those lines.
I vaguely remember reading on these forums that A.net was having an internal debate on allowing res on defeated.(during beta, on the forums) its a shame but the wrong side won. being able to res defeated has caused alot of problems. If you can’ beat the zerg join it. a lot of guilds on mid-low tiers jumped ship for this reason. This is just what i’ve seen though it could be off base or spot on, who knows..

Fact is my guild rarely loses a tower with a 5 man defense regardless of numbers. Usually the only time we lose one is during our upgrade process. After that tower if upgraded and holds 700 supply, I don’t care how many people are attacking, it’s going to be a long siege. I notice very few people are willing to invest the time or money to take it and generally leave. In those cases, the zerg only wins when it’s willing to stay for the long haul.

ktith.6197:

@GSS

AR lacks in number 2 and 3. While they do sometimes upgrade and sometimes defend….most of the time it’s zergy mczerg present on the maps. I still love the server, and love to hate it some nights too. There isn’t any one problem that can be addressed because AR has 50 commanders on the server (and that’s probably not far off) plus an alliance that tries to dictate who can do what or who “is” going to be an icon holder.

Ive been in Anvil Rock since the first beta, and this attitude along with low numbers during the day are Anvil Rock’s biggest problems. The ARB alliance has been working really hard to get everyone to work together and play smarter. Unfortunatly we have a few that think they know more than everyone else and like to spend more time complaining in the forums and team chat than actually fighting.

The Guilds that make up the alliance spend more on upgrades and seige than anyone else in the server on a nightly basis, only too see it get lost the next morning while we are at work.

A perfect example is last night at reset I personally spent 5 gold upgrading and defending Bay for the first 2 hours, then Muscle Russel and Aece Shadow(whatever) started complaining about how ARB didnt need the alliance and how worthless the Alliance was, So the alliance left, and they quickly lost eveything on the map, while the alliance shifted to another borderland and took everything.

The only reason that AR took the lead last week for a few days was because about 30 people from the alliance played for about 12 hours straight for 3 days in a row.

What AR needs is for all the guild leaders to join the allaince so we can ALL START WORKING TOGETHER, and everyone knows exactly why we are doing certain things, and why we arent. The aliance is a very good thing, we just need to get more people to buy into it.

pretty awesome how AR and Bp aren’t fighting each other…again.

So here’s the math.

If each server was to hold exactly an even amount of points distributed between all of the maps, they would hold 231.67 tally points every 15 mins. Each home BL is worth 145 pts. EB is worth 260. If you split EB in half and add SM into the numbers plus your home BL you’d tick 292.50 pts (293) every 15 mins. Considering that if all servers had an equal share at 231.67 (232) if you hold all of your home BL plus 1/2 of EB and SM, and you managed to keep all of it without it turning over (flipping)….you could win a weekly matchup.

That’s the numbers in a perfect situation and I wasn’t incorrect. Now in the “real world” that’s not going to happen. However, using those numbers you can see just how little you have to control in order to stay ahead. Yes there is a severe problem in lack of populations and the numbers become skewed relatively easily by the “winning” side, but it is all a sliding scale as to what you need to control and when you need to control it in order to get ahead or catch up or whatever you’re in it for.

GOM just lost the keep in EB, BP Mesmer bombed with siege, no one came to help.

ktith.6197:

So here’s the math.

If each server was to hold exactly an even amount of points distributed between all of the maps, they would hold 231.67 tally points every 15 mins. Each home BL is worth 145 pts. EB is worth 260. If you split EB in half and add SM into the numbers plus your home BL you’d tick 292.50 pts (293) every 15 mins. Considering that if all servers had an equal share at 231.67 (232) if you hold all of your home BL plus 1/2 of EB and SM, and you managed to keep all of it without it turning over (flipping)….you could win a weekly matchup.

That’s the numbers in a perfect situation and I wasn’t incorrect. Now in the “real world” that’s not going to happen. However, using those numbers you can see just how little you have to control in order to stay ahead. Yes there is a severe problem in lack of populations and the numbers become skewed relatively easily by the “winning” side, but it is all a sliding scale as to what you need to control and when you need to control it in order to get ahead or catch up or whatever you’re in it for.

I disagree. In a perfect situation, all three servers would have an equal share of EB. The only thing that would differentiate the three servers would be who can control Stonemist the most during tally times.

SwiftWing.8192:

ktith.6197:

So here’s the math.

If each server was to hold exactly an even amount of points distributed between all of the maps, they would hold 231.67 tally points every 15 mins. Each home BL is worth 145 pts. EB is worth 260. If you split EB in half and add SM into the numbers plus your home BL you’d tick 292.50 pts (293) every 15 mins. Considering that if all servers had an equal share at 231.67 (232) if you hold all of your home BL plus 1/2 of EB and SM, and you managed to keep all of it without it turning over (flipping)….you could win a weekly matchup.

That’s the numbers in a perfect situation and I wasn’t incorrect. Now in the “real world” that’s not going to happen. However, using those numbers you can see just how little you have to control in order to stay ahead. Yes there is a severe problem in lack of populations and the numbers become skewed relatively easily by the “winning” side, but it is all a sliding scale as to what you need to control and when you need to control it in order to get ahead or catch up or whatever you’re in it for.

I disagree. In a perfect situation, all three servers would have an equal share of EB. The only thing that would differentiate the three servers would be who can control Stonemist the most during tally times.

ooooor the borderlands and how much of it you control.

Holy bejebus you guys again? Ive only been pvping for like 3-4 weeks and im already tired of fighting the same people over and over. Sort of glad i was on vacation last week i guess.

Go go GoM. ( I know, it aint looking good for the home team.)

regardless of who wins. ET will be bumped down here next week, so this should be the last week for this group to see each other.

-K

GOM should just write off this week and give it to Borlis and AR.

We don’t have the numbers and its obvious they are taking advantage of it.

And it doesn’t help that one of our former Commanders joined Borlis and probably spilled how we play.

Just let the area be Blue and Green. We don’t have the numbers and more and more players are demoralized this weekend because they are sick of playing the teams

Kodiack.2783:

regardless of who wins. ET will be bumped down here next week, so this should be the last week for this group to see each other.

-K

Just want to say my problem isn’t with Anvil and I have experienced some awesome fights with all of you.

Wryscher.1432:

Holy bejebus you guys again? Ive only been pvping for like 3-4 weeks and im already tired of fighting the same people over and over. Sort of glad i was on vacation last week i guess.

Go go GoM. ( I know, it aint looking good for the home team.)

Thats the thing, we have less numbers probably for that reason alone.

Not to mention Borlis Spawn Camping us again

melodyca.8921:

Wryscher.1432:

Holy bejebus you guys again? Ive only been pvping for like 3-4 weeks and im already tired of fighting the same people over and over. Sort of glad i was on vacation last week i guess.

Go go GoM. ( I know, it aint looking good for the home team.)

Thats the thing, we have less numbers probably for that reason alone.

Not to mention Borlis Spawn Camping us again

well that and there are barely any original GoM’s left.

Lightsbane.9012:

melodyca.8921:

Wryscher.1432:

Holy bejebus you guys again? Ive only been pvping for like 3-4 weeks and im already tired of fighting the same people over and over. Sort of glad i was on vacation last week i guess.

Go go GoM. ( I know, it aint looking good for the home team.)

Thats the thing, we have less numbers probably for that reason alone.

Not to mention Borlis Spawn Camping us again

well that and there are barely any original GoM’s left.

I talked to ten regulars who have no interest in playing this week.

They are tired of the same matchup and its demoralizing to be outmanned.

And Borlis…you have people in all areas…you had several transfers…stop denying it. It will only make it harder for you when you move up a tier and get crushed.

Getting crushed is preferable to another week of threads like this one!

Servers need to experience both winning and losing in order to grow, it’s just a matter of how that server’s players handle and react to both situations.

If you tire of a matchup, take a break!

Dinas Dragonbane.2978:

Getting crushed is preferable to another week of threads like this one!

Servers need to experience both winning and losing in order to grow, it’s just a matter of how that server’s players handle and react to both situations.

If you tire of a matchup, take a break!

I intend to. Hope you enjoy the area being all green.

BabelFish.7234:

GOM just lost the keep in EB, BP Mesmer bombed with siege, no one came to help.

ya i’ve seen that Happen Last week when we only had 5 ppl there in EB They got the keep then more start showing up and yes they try to camp us but they where Free kill’s near are spawn ty for the ppl who build the Treb’s but one thing i will never forget is getting ppl from bp killed fast by the guards.

So I went to do the EB puzzle and I saw Anvil Rock’s being mean in the beginning and towards the end.
Haha, I guess we deserve it for the past weeks.
It’s fun though.

Take a break?? .. the only correct answer is never.

A break, what’s that ???

Overpopulated Borlis equals another win for them. ANY GOMS wanna crush Borlis come to anvil join the WVW alliance!!

as you can see from the waypoint in our overlook, GoM simply isn’t interested in fighting zerg servers. even match with AR though.

can’t we all just make peace and have some babies ?

I’m so glad we got transfers, it makes winning this extremely trivial part of the game so easy : )

Seriously, I don’t know where these transfers you say are. I will say we have more population than usual which is strange, maybe its a bunch of ship jumpers who see we’ve won the past 3 matches and have a pretty active WvW comparatively.

Hymnosi.5928:

I’m so glad we got transfers, it makes winning this extremely trivial part of the game so easy : )

Seriously, I don’t know where these transfers you say are. I will say we have more population than usual which is strange, maybe its a bunch of ship jumpers who see we’ve won the past 3 matches and have a pretty active WvW comparatively.

you’re winning, we get it. you don’t have to be so arrogant. every bandwagon guild who switched will eventually get whats coming. enjoy the next tier. it’ll wipe that smile right off your face.

Ok i wasnt going to post cause these threads of our matchup have become nothing but crying. You guys must have forgot BP was the server that got smashed over and over and over. We were jumping from last tier to this tier for weeks. So to say oh you guys dont knw what its like to lose or wait til next week and you will see a real zerg. Did u guys forget we have seen that and experience that since day 1 of launch. This is the best matchup since launch that AR and BP had no matter how much they say we outnumber them, they knw its true. I personally havent seen any new guilds transfer over to our server and if they have they have done a pretty good job of not contacting the alliance guilds. When we lost a few weeks ago 3 guilds transfered off our server and either went to maguuma or devonas. From what i know only 1 guild has transfered to our server which is WAR and tht was a few weeks ago. Did we get some randoms or "bandwagon"ers to come over? maybe idk. But AR of all servers( since we fought eachother the most) should know we were always a bottom ranked server. Numbers DEF help when it comes to WvW, but dont discredit what our alliance has done to keep our server organized as a whole as to which maps are most important to hold and when we should attack or defend. Same goes for AR, It’s because of what that AR alliance is doing that they are able to keep such great pressure on us at times and hold their entire borderlands. It’s weird when AR will discredit what the BP alliance has done and just say eh u win cause of numbers, but then say It’s because of the AR alliance we were able to take first place last week. I guesss the alliance on AR is that much better

For some strange reason I dont see this thread making it to friday without a lock again…

Hadan, I would agree that the matches have been fun, however the facts are that up until a few weeks ago BPs forces were nearly nonexistent, and now your server has the ability to out man both servers. You have been saying you haven’t noticed any transfers, fine, in the same sentence you say you have a higher than normal population. Where do you think they came from? I don’t really care if you out number both servers, hardly will stop the real Wv3 players from coming in and beating on the players BP has that need to huddle in a zerg to survive. No, not saying all, but honestly there are a lot more than there were, and it helps my badge count. Heck, I don’t mind if you add even more of these kinds of players, they scatter like confused insects when the normal cookie cutter tactics they are running fail enough times. BPs core is still solid, but some of the additions are sometimes laughable. Not saying that’s not on all the servers, but then again I’m insulated from most of that due to only running solo or in guild groups. I wish you guys the best if you move up next week, because as much as I like you guys, I’m sick of seeing you.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

wwfam.2495:

jkctmc.8754:

They need to just move them up a tier, they’re the ONLY server the devs said doesn’t have a population issue, in the lower tiers.

can you quote the source for this?

I’m interested too. Let’s see the source for that. IF there even is one. I have a feeling it’s like so much else that gets posted from some people though. Just assumption, or flat out lies.

As for BP having the outmanned buff, I will gladly start uploading more screens of it. Though the last few times I’ve done it people just ignore it.

The fact is every side is outnumbered at some point.

If you guys really want to know what makes a difference with BP, I can tell you what I think it is.

1. Some of the commanders started recruiting people that were standing around doing dungeons. Then they encouraged people that were active in WvW to recruit their guild mates/friends that played to do the same. Suddenly BP has a huge surge in WvW players.

2. People on BP are willing to spend money to upgrade things. We’ve taken a huge number of keeps/camps that had 0 upgrades. I regularly drop 2-3gold a day upgrading, and that’s nothing compared to what our commanders drop for upgrades. As a server we try to always get at least the double supply on every camp we take. It seems like the other side doesn’t do the same, and that will cost you. Convince your people it’s worth it to spend a gold or two a day in WvW on upgrades and you will be surprised what a difference it can make.

3. I don’t know how it is on other servers, but our commanders aren’t just leading zergs around. They actively encourage people to ask questions, and they don’t get angry. Even when they’ve explained the same thing multiple times. They go out of their way to explain WHY things are done, and not just say “do this”. That helps people to learn what to do, and when. So even when we don’t have a commander we are now able to form groups to do stuff. That’s made a big difference over all. Example: Someone calls out AR here/enemy here. People (not just commanders anymore) ask where, and explain that it helps respond if they can tell where, and a rough estimate how many. If they can tell what classes it helps too. Information is so important in WvW, and once people learned how to communicate that information better things changed.

4. People seem to want to learn also. A few weeks ago it wasn’t like that. People were very hostile to each other, and called each other names etc. I’m sure everyone has seen that. Now there is some friendly chat, and plenty of information on where the enemies are/what they are doing etc. It’s so much easier to know what’s going on and when.

I don’t know how it is on other servers though. Maybe it’s the same way. But I’ve been doing WvW for awhile now, and in my personal opinion those things seem to be what’s made a huge difference.

This! Very well said!

Lightsbane.9012:

as you can see from the waypoint in our overlook, GoM simply isn’t interested in fighting zerg servers. even match with AR though.

We look overlook back while having the outmanned buff. Obviously, not all of us have given up.

Epic battle at SM tonight, hours long and lots of turn out….except the alliance (at least most of them) which would have turned the tide in that battle. We made it to lord’s room at least….

It may be the case that BP has more population than AR or GoM, but it is difficult to quantify by how much simply based on whether or not there is a queue or the outmanned buff. I would like to point out something else, however.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/I-transferred-from-Jade-Quarry-to-Borlis-Pass-last-week/first

I transferred to BP about a month ago with 10 of my guildmates and pointed out some of the issues that we need to resolve as a community. Comparing then and now, BP has made significant improvements in all aspects. We have a number of wonderful commanders who would rally and encourage players, while the players have picked up a lot of initiative to do WvW activities on their own, rather than simply following the blue icon. It is a community effort as a whole, and please do not disregard the hard work that we’ve put.

I see as many AR as I see BP. Saying that Borlis has more numbers is just silly.

On the other hand though, if you do not have the numbers, it’s your fault. Making sure you get people interested in WvW is part of the game. It’s a prerequisite to do well. So in the case of Borlis, we used to be a medium pop server, and we didn’t do so well in WvW. What’s happening now is people are finishing their story-modes and pve things and getting interested in WvW because they have a helpful bunch when they get in to the map and they run with organized groups.

I wish anet would publish the total numbers of players that log on for each server every month. Then maybe these AR QQers will shut up finally.

I think GoM needs to keep a better eye on their keep, we ninja’d right in through two of their gates while they were trying to hold the south gate. Ninja mesmer squad ftw!

Sums up Borlis Pass:

edit: and lets get real here, I could’ve easily juked back in the shadow refuge, but this was far more entertaining.

@ Raze, proof that Mesmer Portals need to be removed from the game. I was defending vs that crap and found it, I even called it in chat and no one came to help.

It’s not proof that mesmer portals need to be removed. They’re fine. It’s just proof that GoM needs to actually pay attention to the map and respond to defend their keep. More than enough time to defend against 5 players with a single ram…

Either that, or GoM just didn’t have anyone to defend.

After all, we tried to do that today against BP on an undefended keep and after getting the gate to 1/4th 100 players rushed out.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH U MAKE COMMANDER KIRITOBLACK MAD GOM
;D

I meant that as a hyperbole, in reality portals do need a nerf. I’d like to see them limited to usable only by the Mesmer’s party. This way if you want to Mesmer bomb, fine but for every 5 players you need a Mesmer.

Pretty sure GoM didn’t have anyone to defend and the few that were around were mute and didn’t come when called to the keep…if they did we could have held it. I was doing well at holding it solo until the arrow cart started ruining my day.

wwfam.2495:

wwfam.2495:

jkctmc.8754:

They need to just move them up a tier, they’re the ONLY server the devs said doesn’t have a population issue, in the lower tiers.

can you quote the source for this?

still looking for a source for this

Same. I also notice that person hasn’t bothered responding. Guess why?

Oh forgot these pictures hope you guys love em ;D From BP commander KB

BackStabber.8237:

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH U MAKE COMMANDER KIRITOBLACK MAD GOM
;D

Good lord, I know he was mad but wow. Looks like an atomic bomb went off or something.

Naw their was a ton of GOM their it was a blood bath they held us off pretty good

If there was a ton of GoM then why didn’t anyone come when called?
Do I need a commander title for people to not act silly?

My god your screen. How do you see anything with all that clutter? You’re like looking through a port hole.

Nothing wrong with enjoying a victory. Not sure why so many people on here expect BP to feel bad because we are winning. It’s one thing to be nice about it, but I’m still enjoying it.

awesome fight last night against AR, hats off to you you defended with everything to keep hills, only when we switched tactics did we start to get the upper hand

all credit to you guys for over an hour fun

wwfam.2495:

Kirrund.2654:

My god your screen. How do you see anything with all that clutter? You’re like looking through a port hole.

like a port hole full of dead gom bodies

And that is why I don’t zerg very often with GOMMIES.
Without a commander I find our server is like a bunch of virgin’s on prom night, lots of flailing and not much else. Heck, even with a commander sometimes its that bad.

I need someone from GoM to contact me. Please if you lead WvW please hit me up VERY IMPORTANT