“Life is a beautiful lie, and I am a painful truth.”
2/15 JQ/SoR/SoS
“Life is a beautiful lie, and I am a painful truth.”
Apology accepted, and I did credit you with the statement that we are in need of some reorganizing of some of our guild strategies. We are still growing and learning as guilds and a server to play this game. I mean, with all this talk I feel like we as SoR sometimes forget that we have only been in T1 for a short time compared to these other two servers. We still have a long ways to go in terms of competing with these battle hardened guilds, and we are progressing nicely IMO. I think we can stand toe to toe with any SoS or JQ guild in the open field, but we now need to start focusing on other aspects of the game in order to be more competitive if we want to stay here in T1.
This is a really great message. I applaud you for it and believe you have a very level head on your shoulders.
Now next time we meet in WvW stand still and let me cleave it from you. :P
Plague/Shadow Gypsies
Jade Quarry
Now next time we meet in WvW stand still and let me cleave it from you. :P
You’re assuming that is enough to kill me
BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
“Life is a beautiful lie, and I am a painful truth.”
I was waiting for this argument;
Oh dear, you will now play your trap card!
No server gets to t1 NA without queues on NA primetime, this argument is irrelevant to this particular discussion. If you lack numbers on primetime that’s a problem with your server’s tenacity, and you don’t belong here.
1. If said server has the realistic option to switch maps, then obviously the maps are not full with queues. Your statement here is incoherent.
2. Based on the context, “JQ” is getting the outmanned buff in this discussion because their teammates are bailing. It is strange to claim that the other server has a problem with ‘tenacity’.
1. If said server has the realistic option to switch maps, then obviously the maps are not full with queues. Your statement here is incoherent.
The point was not that every server in t1 always has full queues on all maps during primetime. The point was that they had the potential numbers there: the assertion that SoS or SoR are hopelessly outmanned by JQ during NA prime time is either false, or now true due to people giving up (i.e. lacking tenacity).
…. one of the best open field guilds in the game ….?
ORLY?
Not sure I’d agree with that opinion, but everyone has their own experience.
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1. If said server has the realistic option to switch maps, then obviously the maps are not full with queues. Your statement here is incoherent.
The point was not that every server in t1 always has full queues on all maps during primetime. The point was that they had the potential numbers there: the assertion that SoS or SoR are hopelessly outmanned by JQ during NA prime time is either false, or now true due to people giving up (i.e. lacking tenacity).
So … you like keep trading in WAR?
1. If said server has the realistic option to switch maps, then obviously the maps are not full with queues. Your statement here is incoherent.
The point was not that every server in t1 always has full queues on all maps during primetime. The point was that they had the potential numbers there: the assertion that SoS or SoR are hopelessly outmanned by JQ during NA prime time is either false, or now true due to people giving up (i.e. lacking tenacity).
SoR has never stated we are outmanned during NA primetime. We openly acknowledge that is our strongest coverage. It just takes us so long to get up there in the 350+ ppt because JQ starts with everything upgraded to the hilt because of FOO. It takes us a while to widdle supply down and eventually take fully upgraded and defended keeps. Luckily our non US coverage has been doing an outstanding job lately minimizing it as much as they can.
SoR has never stated we are outmanned during NA primetime. We openly acknowledge that is our strongest coverage.
If SoR wants even fights, SoR has to recruit more peoples. Or breed with rabbits. Err, like rabbits.
This is the person I was responding to.
Im from SoS and i hope SoR bloody well gets more points by the end of this season so our server can drop a tier ASAP.
I’d rather let Blackgate deal with JQ thank you very much.
I second this. GO SoR!! you can do eet!
Then we can avoid the JQueue zerg machine bangwagoning fist pumping heroes and play a nice even match which will actually get people excited about WvW again.
Im from SoS and i hope SoR bloody well gets more points by the end of this season so our server can drop a tier ASAP.
I’d rather let Blackgate deal with JQ thank you very much.
I second this. GO SoR!! you can do eet!
Then we can avoid the JQueue zerg machine bangwagoning fist pumping heroes and play a nice even match which will actually get people excited about WvW again.
This would be great! We love Blackgate, because they don’t quit, ever!
Plague/Shadow Gypsies
Jade Quarry
A lot of people talking about how even T2 is so close. Personally I think it looks like it could be pretty boring.
The only thing keeping it close is BG and Kain huge coverage gaps during each others main coverage. So they take turns turning the map all one color during Sea/EU. Then TC comes on during NA and keeps BG from completely turning the map green during that time. Based on the points progression on Mos it looks like Kain is basically just WM and no one fight at any other time.
I’d rather have JQ destroy us in points but have good fights during NA Prime then have a close match with Kain with neither server having much opposition.
Sanctum of Rall
Just a thing to think about.
During NA prime time last night SoR had a few maps without any Queue at all.
^.~
“Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.” Sun Tzu
Just a thing to think about.
During NA prime time last night SoR had a few maps without any Queue at all.
^.~
So did JQ. In fact everyone I went to had no queue. In NA primetime. Rumor mills are crazy aren’t they?
Plague/Shadow Gypsies
Jade Quarry
How can it be fun to play on SEA if you play on JQ? Atm having 3 fully capped BL’s (apart from 1 tower). And we just had 10 people defending our last fortified tower in homeland to 50+ JQ, they built 3 trebs & 4 catas to take it down.
And yet you say this is PvP not PvD…
Yesterday the mighty Merc and Magikarp the Magnificent posted a screenshot of their exploits with a 595 ppt tick…. The most amusing thing is that someone said 525 and he came back and say, no way, 595. Now if they can’t be bothered to wait around and get everything upgraded and deploy siege then who’s fault is that? Pot kettle black? You familar with that?
Every server has periods of strong and light cover. Its what they choose to do in those periods that makes the difference.
Kreen – Warrior L80, Mono Lith – Guardian L80
Higgsbosun – Thief L80, Silvron – Ranger L80.
All of JQ’s ppt performance, past and present is due to FOO.
Yup thats correct, FOO were on the server even before BWE1 I think, possibly even before the server was actually turned on, they are that good.
Kreen – Warrior L80, Mono Lith – Guardian L80
Higgsbosun – Thief L80, Silvron – Ranger L80.
Im from SoS and i hope SoR bloody well gets more points by the end of this season so our server can drop a tier ASAP.
I’d rather let Blackgate deal with JQ thank you very much.
No.
For 8 weeks SoS rolled through tier 1. Everyone had fun. There was much joy in the world and people frolicked in the streets.
Times have changed. JQ has taken roids. SBI has disappeared and been replaced, first by a tenacious little pitbull named Blackgate, now by a larger, angrier mob named SoR.
Running to another server (a couple of our hardcore pvp guilds) or dropping to another tier to hide from JQ is for sissies.
Respect Well said this person.
Kreen – Warrior L80, Mono Lith – Guardian L80
Higgsbosun – Thief L80, Silvron – Ranger L80.
Well after reading the posts from the last 24 hours, I am done with this thread. Apart from a few notable exceptions, you know who you are, respect from me for whats its worth. the rest of it is filled with constant whining and excuses. The entitlement culture seems strong in some elements of the GW2 WvW community.
I honestly can’t keep up with the WvWvW excuse meta game so I shall no longer post. Good day to you all and hope to see you on the battlefield or apparently in JQ’s case from behind keep walls because apparently thats where we all are all the time, who knew….
Kreen – Warrior L80, Mono Lith – Guardian L80
Higgsbosun – Thief L80, Silvron – Ranger L80.
Well after reading the posts from the last 24 hours, I am done with this thread. Apart from a few notable exceptions, you know who you are, respect from me for whats its worth. the rest of it is filled with constant whining and excuses. The entitlement culture seems strong in some elements of the GW2 WvW community.
I honestly can’t keep up with the WvWvW excuse meta game so I shall no longer post. Good day to you all and hope to see you on the battlefield or apparently in JQ’s case from behind keep walls because apparently thats where we all are all the time, who knew….
Another user taken down by troll refugees from gw2guru.
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All of JQ’s ppt performance, past and present is due to FOO.
Yup thats correct, FOO were on the server even before BWE1 I think, possibly even before the server was actually turned on, they are that good.
Wrong, FOO was on ET (they were part of Ascencion Alliance) however when ET collapse they choose to bandwagoning to the current #1 server at that time which is JQ
All of JQ’s ppt performance, past and present is due to FOO.
Yup thats correct, FOO were on the server even before BWE1 I think, possibly even before the server was actually turned on, they are that good.
Wrong, FOO was on ET (they were part of Ascencion Alliance) however when ET collapse they choose to bandwagoning to the current #1 server at that time which is JQ
How do you NOT detect sarcasm in a statement including “before the server was actually turned on” ?
And we weren’t #1 until the week after all the “bandwagoning” ended…
The only thing keeping it close is BG and Kain huge coverage gaps during each others main coverage. So they take turns turning the map all one color during Sea/EU. Then TC comes on during NA and keeps BG from completely turning the map green during that time. Based on the points progression on Mos it looks like Kain is basically just WM and no one fight at any other time.
Before I say anything let me just say I am a random BG guild member. Not a leader, not part of the BG war council, not anyone of particular importance really. With that being said….
This is pretty much true. Kaineng’s major strength is in their oceanic coverage due to WM fielding 500+ korean members. BG’s coverage gap = oceanic. Oceanic is the only time of day that Kaineng has a higher ppt than BG. TC’s strongest coverage is NA and they don’t play for second that’s for sure.
So this is what happens, BG oceanic is two guilds that are outmanned but not completely out played. So they hold what keeps they can. SEA logs in (HUGE HUGE THAI alliance, ND, URGE, LLB). They completely wipe Kaineng’s insominac oceanic’s and SEA while flipping t2/t3 Kaineng’s new keeps/towers. BG SEA hands it off to EU which further flips more keeps/towers. Our EU likes to stay up til 4AM everyday of the week so they overlap with NA, so NA logs and finish painting the BL’s green. NA stays up til 2AMish and hands it over to oceanics (2 guilds) which starts the vicious cycle over again.
Now, I have been developing an extremely high amount of pride for my server (BG). The amount of coordination, communication, and dedication is overhelming visible if you use BG’s public TS3 server and check the blackgatewvw forums and open your eyes to what is really going on. We have commander chat for when a BL is in need of help or to help further coordinate a move together. We have schedules for the days of the week.
That being said, and please don’t take this as a “my ego is bigger than yours” post, I seriously believe that if BG’s oceanic coverage gap were to be filled, hint hint, than BG would easily go neck and neck against JQ.
Anyways, sorry for the derailment. Hopefully everyone is enjoying the great competition in tier 1! BG’s been sharpening our swords and cleaning the blood off our boots in tier 2.
Lightdivinity – Level 80 Bunker Elementalist
Reshaos – Level 80 Power Necromancer
That being said, and please don’t take this as a “my ego is bigger than yours” post, I seriously believe that if BG’s oceanic coverage gap were to be filled, hint hint, than BG would easily go neck and neck against JQ.
The same can be said for SoS and SoR as well. I think a SoS – SoR – BG fight would be a great matchup. Unfortunately, we will never see it.
All of JQ’s ppt performance, past and present is due to FOO.
Yup thats correct, FOO were on the server even before BWE1 I think, possibly even before the server was actually turned on, they are that good.
Wrong, FOO was on ET (they were part of Ascencion Alliance) however when ET collapse they choose to bandwagoning to the current #1 server at that time which is JQ
If FOO was bandwagoning to JQ why would they put in all the effort to help JQ hold our spot in tier 1 at the time? That doesn’t make any sense but wait that’s right you don’t know why they transferred just that they transferred to JQ and not your server. I talk to FOO daily and we have a relationship built off respect and neither of us take advantage of the other. FOO left ET and reached out to other communities and was welcomed to JQ that’s the simple fact of the matter in how we got FOO. Are we grateful? Infinitely because FOO is one of the premiere guilds in the game.
How do you NOT detect sarcasm in a statement including “before the server was actually turned on” ?
And we weren’t #1 until the week after all the “bandwagoning” ended…
Just stating some fact, thats all before some peoples might actually belive that FOO was on JQ since the start
If FOO was bandwagoning to JQ why would they put in all the effort to help JQ hold our spot in tier 1 at the time? That doesn’t make any sense but wait that’s right you don’t know why they transferred just that they transferred to JQ and not your server. I talk to FOO daily and we have a relationship built off respect and neither of us take advantage of the other. FOO left ET and reached out to other communities and was welcomed to JQ that’s the simple fact of the matter in how we got FOO. Are we grateful? Infinitely because FOO is one of the premiere guilds in the game.
blah..blah..blah… sorry but to me any guild that moving to winning team for easy ride is just another bandwagoner.
oh and… stop saying your server vs my server. I dont give a kitten about some kind of hardware in anet office, IRL maybe anet call your server A37KOL2 and my server Y22LON9 and the next dude server UD8PC4
FOO is good guild i admit that, too bad since WM gone they dont have competition anymore.
How do you NOT detect sarcasm in a statement including “before the server was actually turned on” ?
And we weren’t #1 until the week after all the “bandwagoning” ended…
Just stating some fact, thats all before some peoples might actually belive that FOO was on JQ since the start
If FOO was bandwagoning to JQ why would they put in all the effort to help JQ hold our spot in tier 1 at the time? That doesn’t make any sense but wait that’s right you don’t know why they transferred just that they transferred to JQ and not your server. I talk to FOO daily and we have a relationship built off respect and neither of us take advantage of the other. FOO left ET and reached out to other communities and was welcomed to JQ that’s the simple fact of the matter in how we got FOO. Are we grateful? Infinitely because FOO is one of the premiere guilds in the game.
blah..blah..blah… sorry but to me any guild that moving to winning team for easy ride is just another bandwagoner.
oh and… stop saying your server vs my server. I dont give a kitten about some kind of hardware in anet office, IRL maybe anet call your server A37KOL2 and my server Y22LON9 and the next dude server UD8PC4
FOO is good guild i admit that, too bad since WM gone they dont have competition anymore.
FOO having an easy ride is probably the funniest thing I’ve ever seen on the forums. They were alone as our SEA coverage for close to two months if that’s a free ride I honestly don’t know what to say
The same can be said for SoS and SoR as well. I think a SoS – SoR – BG fight would be a great matchup. Unfortunately, we will never see it.
Not really SoR has two gaps( 1 1/2) to fill in order to be able to challenge JQ. Our Oceanic is non-existent but we are light during EU also. Especially early EU. To really challenge JQ we have about a 12 hours gap that needs filled some parts more then others.
SoS could probably do it with more EU. Sounds like BG could probably do it with more Oceanic(not sure since we haven’t seen the new BG).
I think a SoS/SoR/BG matchup would be epic NA Prime time fights. I think SoS would run away with the score though because BG and SoR wouldn’t be able to stand up to their Oceanic presence. BG and SoR would probably battle for PTT during EU keeping each other low. So SoS would be ticking 600+ for 5ish hours a day and BG and SoR would never tick more then 400ish.
Sanctum of Rall
FOO having an easy ride is probably the funniest thing I’ve ever seen on the forums. They were alone as our SEA coverage for close to two months if that’s a free ride I honestly don’t know what to say
Did FOO have any serious competition post WM leave? Outnumbering SBI (post WM) SOS and SOR during SEA/Asian is very challenging for them? i dont think so, unless that door is too hard for them to beat
I would have to throw WHO Ostermark circa 2009 was a special place to play as well. Many of the current JQ original core came together there. Pheonix Throne as another great WHO community. JQ, for me and others
They were great servers cut my teeth on Ostermark then the move to Pheonix Throne and finally on to Badlands. Fun times.
Never trust the man in the brown suit
FOO having an easy ride is probably the funniest thing I’ve ever seen on the forums. They were alone as our SEA coverage for close to two months if that’s a free ride I honestly don’t know what to say
Did FOO have any serious competition post WM leave? Outnumbering SBI (post WM) SOS and SOR during SEA/Asian is very challenging for them? i dont think so, unless that door is too hard for them to beat
You are talking about them being bandwagoners but are failing to remember that they fought BG (post WM and BG has good SEA). They fought SoS when they had good SEA (AFS/MERC etc and now even ND do a really good job). I wouldn’t say these server’s had WM level production in SEA but WM was doing overtime on SBI. But you said that FOO left ET for a Free ride (They fought WM for over a month). Stop changing the subject or trying to shift the focus to a different point. You said FOO came for a free ride when they came here WM was still on SBI and they were extremely dangerous but it’s not FOO’s fault that WM left SBI or that other server’s SEA wasn’t able to stand against them.
Two points;
I have personally fought Foo for weeks on end when SoS oceanic was staying online 10-12 hrs daily holding the line, FOO is a fine opponent and very difficult to hold at bay.
If the forum Monkey’s infractions were counted against their servers ingame scores, we three servers would meet in tier 8.
You are talking about them being bandwagoners but are failing to remember that they fought BG (post WM and BG has good SEA). They fought SoS when they had good SEA (AFS/MERC etc and now even ND do a really good job). I wouldn’t say these server’s had WM level production in SEA but WM was doing overtime on SBI. But you said that FOO left ET for a Free ride (They fought WM for over a month). Stop changing the subject or trying to shift the focus to a different point. You said FOO came for a free ride when they came here WM was still on SBI and they were extremely dangerous but it’s not FOO’s fault that WM left SBI or that other server’s SEA wasn’t able to stand against them.
Like i said before, any guild that choose to moving to winning team is a bandwagoner in my book. I also say that FOO is good guild, granted they will wipe any average guild without problem (nvm pugs) Point is since WM gone they dont have any serious competition anymore.
So what if some good guild choose to bandwagon? just because someone is bandwagoning thats not mean they are bad and want free ride. Stop being hysterically defensive just because “bandwagon” word. Heck i dare to bet that half of WwW population in T1 is made of bandwagoners, without them you wont have numbers to field your giant blob zerg :P
Yesterday the mighty Merc and Magikarp the Magnificent posted a screenshot of their exploits with a 595 ppt tick…. The most amusing thing is that someone said 525 and he came back and say, no way, 595. Now if they can’t be bothered to wait around and get everything upgraded and deploy siege then who’s fault is that? Pot kettle black? You familar with that?
Every server has periods of strong and light cover. Its what they choose to do in those periods that makes the difference.
Even though Kreen said he is leaving the forums and never coming back (yeah right) I find this post amusing. Why bother spending coin to upgrade when the JQ zerg machine will wake up and stomp everyone. Doesn’t matter how upgraded keeps are if there is no one to man the siege weapons, why bother? Oh look at all the pretty siege weapons, luckily we upgraded the keeps that will deter them for a few more seconds. well worth spending the coin.
You are talking about them being bandwagoners but are failing to remember that they fought BG (post WM and BG has good SEA). They fought SoS when they had good SEA (AFS/MERC etc and now even ND do a really good job). I wouldn’t say these server’s had WM level production in SEA but WM was doing overtime on SBI. But you said that FOO left ET for a Free ride (They fought WM for over a month). Stop changing the subject or trying to shift the focus to a different point. You said FOO came for a free ride when they came here WM was still on SBI and they were extremely dangerous but it’s not FOO’s fault that WM left SBI or that other server’s SEA wasn’t able to stand against them.
Like i said before, any guild that choose to moving to winning team is a bandwagoner in my book. I also say that FOO is good guild, granted they will wipe any average guild without problem (nvm pugs) Point is since WM gone they dont have any serious competition anymore.
So what if some good guild choose to bandwagon? just because someone is bandwagoning thats not mean they are bad and want free ride. Stop being hysterically defensive just because “bandwagon” word. Heck i dare to bet that half of WwW population in T1 is made of bandwagoners, without them you wont have numbers to field your giant blob zerg :P
I think you’re misunderstanding the fact that FOO moved to JQ wayyyy back before we were #1, just before HoD’s downfall, which also happened to be when ET fell too.
So no, we weren’t the “winning team”. They simply wanted a new home to stay in a competitive WvW server at the time.
FOO trasfered to JQ HOD days?why some1 keep saying JQ “winning team”?you think HOD was “losing team” when they #1?
Jade Quarry since beta 3
Honour (Honor ) is a strange thing.
Some might think that openly exploiting is dishonourable. Some might think that sending trash talk PMs to enemy commanders in game is dishonourable. Some might even think you can never regain honour once it is lost.
We are playing an online game. IMHO, it may be best not to use Honour or courage to describe other gamers actions. Live and play to your own codes, preferrably within the rules of the games and forums.
It may even be better to post the score. Please.
FOO trasfered to JQ HOD days?why some1 keep saying JQ “winning team”?you think HOD was “losing team” when they #1?
Yes at that time HOD was still#1 but the rumour about TA disbanding already start to circulating around and even if TA did not disband,nobody want to move there to have bloody long hours queque.
And at that time if FOO want to move to competitive/top servers they only have 2 choice (JQ/SBI) Since SBI have WM then the only logical choice for FOO is JQ. As for why FOO leave ET, well not surprising considering the horrible community and guild drama on ET a.k.a every man and his dog can feel that ET is about to collapse
note: winning server at that time is not the soon to be collapsed #1 server but the other underdog server with more promising future.
You cant fault people for transferring to JQ. It’s the only NA server that offers an active population every hour of the day. It’s not dishonorable to want people to play with.
[CDS] Caedas
Sanctum of Rall
Communication is so much phun! It would be great if player coverage was more even. Yes, we agree. At Sea of Sorrows, we shed a tear when we remember the glory days holding the top spot in NA tier one. I am very happy to have had the opportunity to play with fine communities like JQ, SoR, SBI, BG, and TC [Including the transfers from ET & HoD]. But, wait, my happiness doesn’t stop there. I am also happy to have played with CD, YB, FA, DH, IoJ…Yes, everyone.
At the same time I worry about the competence of some posters, their mental health/disorders, the general level of education of forum posters [I’m interested in being an educator], and their social skills (or lack of). Please improve.
STOP THE ANGER. If you are trying to gain status here…or respect just log off please. You are better served with people you can visit in person. Work with the people around you, respect the red names in front of you, and attempt to be a better human being.
The developers may or may not move the game in the direction we want. There will be other games. Try to remember the people you spend time with…and ask yourself if it is time well spent…
I renounce my hibernation and return.
Sea of Sorrows survivor – Currently on Blackgate
Ranger in the Guild Vanguard or Valhalla, something along those lines. He was a human with a Greatsword. We were fighting between Vale and Briar on the SoS map a few minutes ago. Pretty impressive man, good job. I would love to talk to you if anyone knows who this is or if you can PM me I would appreciate it.
Also, sorry to bail on you the second time we fought, my Queue for EB popped, I didn’t mean to frustrate you. I was the Mesmer, and the Ele that was with me also commented on how well you fought.
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While I was posting the above, I read through a few pages of the WvW thread. I would like to mention that just because you don’t hear people talk with respect from another server, ALL servers included, does not mean that they are not there. Most of the people that would speak with respect are hugely turned off by the distasteful tone of these threads, so they probably wont post. It compounds itself when people that cannot control themselves continue to talk and talk, making servers look worse and worse. I am sorry for all the hate, but I also realise that the people that speak the loudest don’t speak for everyone.
Keep having fun, and for the love of God, everyone keep cool
You cant fault people for transferring to JQ. It’s the only NA server that offers an active population every hour of the day. It’s not dishonorable to want people to play with.
I dont’ fault them, I just don’t play for the same reasons they do. I want good fights. I want balanced matches. I want that more then just on the weekend. People who stack servers ruin that. I dont’ think they have bad intentions. I don’t really know what they think to be honest because I dont’ think like them.
You cant fault people for transferring to JQ. It’s the only NA server that offers an active population every hour of the day. It’s not dishonorable to want people to play with.
Blackgate also has an active population every hour of the day.
a lot of fun in EB
wait and see the march patch about wvw that anet promise us.
until save your strengh, build your teamwork and rise your morale
in war morale play for 50% of the win
SoR takes second
It will be a fight to the death for SoR and SoS this last day.
Go Go SoR!!!
Stay classy [FEAR] Vicky C, stay classy.
Good thing bag slots are on sale today. Choo keeps leaving bags all over the map.
Edit: Just friendly banter guys. You know I love you Choo. Good fights as always.
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Good thing bag slots are on sale today. Choo keeps leaving bags all over the map.
Yeah we don’t like to pick up the EMP bags.