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Posted by: dabxci.5763

dabxci.5763

considering that jq got first place again, is nd and merc and all the other guilds that paid for a server transfer to blackgate in order to be nos 1 pay again to transfer to another server to try to get to nos 1? legit question. no flaming pls

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Posted by: Dredrum.2563

Dredrum.2563

Kain would make for a 3 way match which we don’t have right now, you have sor players posting how they don’t care and just want to kill. So it’s a 1 v 1 where numbers win and that is it. We want a 3 way fight where the strat is put back into play.

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Posted by: Burl.9567

Burl.9567

Kain would make for a 3 way match which we don’t have right now, you have sor players posting how they don’t care and just want to kill. So it’s a 1 v 1 where numbers win and that is it. We want a 3 way fight where the strat is put back into play.

If that is your goal, Kain isn’t going to give it to you.

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

Who said they came here to get number 1? If they wanted number 1 they would have gone to JQ. No one but them can say if they plan to move or not but its unlikely as staying on BG is there best chance right now.

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Posted by: Dredrum.2563

Dredrum.2563

Kain would make for a 3 way match which we don’t have right now, you have sor players posting how they don’t care and just want to kill. So it’s a 1 v 1 where numbers win and that is it. We want a 3 way fight where the strat is put back into play.

If that is your goal, Kain isn’t going to give it to you.

Well sor sure isn’t bringing it either.

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Posted by: Thiefz.3695

Thiefz.3695

I think Zikory has said it twice now and that we need to step back and realize that when JQ and BG mean competition they mean between each other and stop thinking that competition means a 3 way since we all agree that’s not happening.

I agree with Thundar that this was created due to gamer’s wanting the win rather than balance BUT what I will say is that the move to BG showed people still will move when they feel it’s in their best interest.

I won’t lose all hope in a balanced T1 but I will say that change won’t happen in days or weeks but probably in months.

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Posted by: Jahn.7019

Jahn.7019

JQ and BG should just push SoR out of the tier if that’s what they really want.

There was talks of a hardcore 2v1 but it has yet to be seen, you guys should do it, or at least try.

Do work.

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Posted by: tkalamba.2541

tkalamba.2541

Kain would make for a 3 way match which we don’t have right now, you have sor players posting how they don’t care and just want to kill. So it’s a 1 v 1 where numbers win and that is it. We want a 3 way fight where the strat is put back into play.

If that is your goal, Kain isn’t going to give it to you.

Well sor sure isn’t bringing it either.

Trying playing during a different time zone then

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Posted by: Orikx.9671

Orikx.9671

KN will only make a closer match for BG and JQ. No one thinks Kain will come up and take 2nd or first place. (Or even do better then SoR) The point is Kain will slow down JQ in BGs weak time slots making this already close match even closer.

Go back and read the guys posts you are defending. I specifically responded to Dredrum. I completely understand what you are talking about with KN giving FoO a challenge. I also agree that there isn’t a 3rd T1 ready server right now.

Your buddy Dredrum though has this illusion that KN is going to come make T1 a balanced 3 way fight. Anyone that has even been half way paying attention understands that with all servers in their current state T1 can not be a balanced 3 way fight.

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Posted by: Zen.8497

Zen.8497

Who said they came here to get number 1? If they wanted number 1 they would have gone to JQ. No one but them can say if they plan to move or not but its unlikely as staying on BG is there best chance right now.

It is already common knowledge that the SoS guilds transferred to BG in an attempt to beat JQ and seize the first place. Transferring on JQ was never an option for any SoS guilds.

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Posted by: Tyaen.5148

Tyaen.5148

Yup I Play when SoR sleeps, and JQ dominates. Getting backdoored by 60+ in my prime time play gets old, because JQ can field 20-30 pug across all map and have FoO float and backdoor any action BG makes, because SoR won’t even take a camp for about 6 hours of play. Gets old quick, its why many want kain, if not kain anyone for that matter to split the forces so its not a non stop backdoor fest, by the more populated server.

Do you understand how 24 hour coverage works? " if not kain anyone for that matter" You realize Kain is the only server that can field coverage during that time. SoR isn’t alone in coverage gaps. KN is no competition for BG and JQ during the other times though.

KN will only make a closer match for BG and JQ. No one thinks Kain will come up and take 2nd or first place. (Or even do better then SoR) The point is Kain will slow down JQ in BGs weak time slots making this already close match even closer.

The point is – NO they won’t. They’ll only make it more competitive in the one specific time slot you play in. Weaker in the others.

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

Who said they came here to get number 1? If they wanted number 1 they would have gone to JQ. No one but them can say if they plan to move or not but its unlikely as staying on BG is there best chance right now.

It is already common knowledge that the SoS guilds transferred to BG in an attempt to beat JQ and seize the first place. Transferring on JQ was never an option for any SoS guilds.

Thats understandable but the only options they would have had was BG SoR or kain? And currently are still the only options. As it stands BG has had a good chance at beating JQ but obviously aren’t quite there yet. Jumping ship again wouldn’t help them in anyway. If they want to beat JQ recruiting for the coverage gaps would probably be better.

I don’t know if it was WM intention to drop to a low server to bring it to number 1 or to see how high they could take it but it shows that 1 or a few guilds can’t do it by them selves. We would have to wait and see in the next few weeks but I would doubt they would jump ship considering how close BG has been to JQ.

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Posted by: Energetik.6471

Energetik.6471

I guess next time some big guilds might want to check their egos at the door before abandoning their old servers for greener pastures.

It’s funny that a lot of the guilds that left SoS was because of the jumping puzzle. They had a problem with holding the JP while maintaining a large enough lead and not holding up queues. Exactly what JQ is doing now. A lot of the less experienced guilds have no clue of the power of owning a free siege fountain that runs 24/7.

Now you have a bunch of mediocre servers due to poor guild choices combined with the decision to wipe the rankings, give the last few weeks of free transfers and then lock them all at $20, while allowing guesting which doesn’t encourage server loyalty.

You better hope the March 26 patch introduces enough fixes, culling, etc.. and adds enough to keep it interesting for the next 6 months. There really needs to be a removal of the [outmanned] option causing a lop side effect during off hours.

Is everyone ready to face reality today?

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

Yup I Play when SoR sleeps, and JQ dominates. Getting backdoored by 60+ in my prime time play gets old, because JQ can field 20-30 pug across all map and have FoO float and backdoor any action BG makes, because SoR won’t even take a camp for about 6 hours of play. Gets old quick, its why many want kain, if not kain anyone for that matter to split the forces so its not a non stop backdoor fest, by the more populated server.

Do you understand how 24 hour coverage works? " if not kain anyone for that matter" You realize Kain is the only server that can field coverage during that time. SoR isn’t alone in coverage gaps. KN is no competition for BG and JQ during the other times though.

KN will only make a closer match for BG and JQ. No one thinks Kain will come up and take 2nd or first place. (Or even do better then SoR) The point is Kain will slow down JQ in BGs weak time slots making this already close match even closer.

The point is – NO they won’t. They’ll only make it more competitive in the one specific time slot you play in. Weaker in the others.

That may be true but Kain has great coverage when JQ cleans up BG. If BG can keep up the same pressure during the other time zones and kain slows JQs PPT during our off hours BG can have a much better chance at winning. But your right with out SoR in the other time zones its hard how BG and JQ will do with out SoR there.

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Posted by: Liquid.9672

Liquid.9672

Your buddy Dredrum though has this illusion that KN is going to come make T1 a balanced 3 way fight. Anyone that has even been half way paying attention understands that with all servers in their current state T1 can not be a balanced 3 way fight.

I think you have to keep in mind that people have different perspectives on things. When some discuss “a balanced 3-way fight”, they may be talking about the scoreboard, for others, it may simply be a competitive PPT during THEIR prime time. I think Dred is looking at things solely from the perspective of HIS prime playtime, which happens to be SEA, and his frustrations over what is basically a difficult 1v1 vs JQ. Unless he doesn’t understand KN’s coverage shortfalls against other T1 servers, he’s not talking about the final score when he talks about “balance”.

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

@Energetik and any one else that wants to school me bit on this matter.

Why does everyone claim that holding the JP because of free siege is such a advantage? other then the golem (which is debatable for some people) isn’t that expensive. Is buying siege that frowned upon? If anything holding it would be to keep enemy servers players wasting player spot in WvW to do the JP but even then it take numbers from both sides.

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Posted by: Liquid.9672

Liquid.9672

Yeah I’ve never understood the “JP is a flood of siege” argument either, when siege can be purchased with coin, is not that expensive, and coin being rather easy to obtain.

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Posted by: Zen.8497

Zen.8497

Yup I Play when SoR sleeps, and JQ dominates. Getting backdoored by 60+ in my prime time play gets old, because JQ can field 20-30 pug across all map and have FoO float and backdoor any action BG makes, because SoR won’t even take a camp for about 6 hours of play. Gets old quick, its why many want kain, if not kain anyone for that matter to split the forces so its not a non stop backdoor fest, by the more populated server.

Do you understand how 24 hour coverage works? " if not kain anyone for that matter" You realize Kain is the only server that can field coverage during that time. SoR isn’t alone in coverage gaps. KN is no competition for BG and JQ during the other times though.

KN will only make a closer match for BG and JQ. No one thinks Kain will come up and take 2nd or first place. (Or even do better then SoR) The point is Kain will slow down JQ in BGs weak time slots making this already close match even closer.

The point is – NO they won’t. They’ll only make it more competitive in the one specific time slot you play in. Weaker in the others.

That may be true but Kain has great coverage when JQ cleans up BG. If BG can keep up the same pressure during the other time zones and kain slows JQs PPT during our off hours BG can have a much better chance at winning. But your right with out SoR in the other time zones its hard how BG and JQ will do with out SoR there.

The problem is that reducing the ppt will not secure the first place for BG and secondly Kaineng before even attacking JQ might actually secure the easiest points first and have BG run at 0 ppt during WM prime time. Also, with little challenge from Kaineng during N/A prime time JQ will have nothing else to do but focus BG and reduce the points even more.
Overall, I would say be careful what you wish for because it may not be what you want.

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

Yup I Play when SoR sleeps, and JQ dominates. Getting backdoored by 60+ in my prime time play gets old, because JQ can field 20-30 pug across all map and have FoO float and backdoor any action BG makes, because SoR won’t even take a camp for about 6 hours of play. Gets old quick, its why many want kain, if not kain anyone for that matter to split the forces so its not a non stop backdoor fest, by the more populated server.

Do you understand how 24 hour coverage works? " if not kain anyone for that matter" You realize Kain is the only server that can field coverage during that time. SoR isn’t alone in coverage gaps. KN is no competition for BG and JQ during the other times though.

KN will only make a closer match for BG and JQ. No one thinks Kain will come up and take 2nd or first place. (Or even do better then SoR) The point is Kain will slow down JQ in BGs weak time slots making this already close match even closer.

The point is – NO they won’t. They’ll only make it more competitive in the one specific time slot you play in. Weaker in the others.

That may be true but Kain has great coverage when JQ cleans up BG. If BG can keep up the same pressure during the other time zones and kain slows JQs PPT during our off hours BG can have a much better chance at winning. But your right with out SoR in the other time zones its hard how BG and JQ will do with out SoR there.

The problem is that reducing the ppt will not secure the first place for BG and secondly Kaineng before even attacking JQ might actually secure the easiest points first and have BG run at 0 ppt during WM prime time. Also, with little challenge from Kaineng during N/A prime time JQ will have nothing else to do but focus BG and reduce the points even more.
Overall, I would say be careful what you wish for because it may not be what you want.

Depends on how it would work out, as it stands now JQ is running 400+ PPT at this time leaving both BG and SoR in the dust. Even if BG gets beat out during this time, the idea is kain would stop JQ from getting that 400+ PPT thus lowering the lead they gain during this time.

Now NA prime time is a different story, Its hard to speculate what would happen with out SoR being a strong 3rd presence.

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

While were on the conversation of scores…updates? <3

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Posted by: urzen.7096

urzen.7096

I would rather see 9 balanced servers with random rotations, than 3 balanced servers doomed to play each other till then end of time, and 6 dead servers. But there may simply not be enough players/guilds to fill more than 3 servers.

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Posted by: urzen.7096

urzen.7096

@Energetik and any one else that wants to school me bit on this matter.

Why does everyone claim that holding the JP because of free siege is such a advantage? other then the golem (which is debatable for some people) isn’t that expensive. Is buying siege that frowned upon? If anything holding it would be to keep enemy servers players wasting player spot in WvW to do the JP but even then it take numbers from both sides.

Yeah, I dont get it. Siege is basically free anyway. Personally I would remove it from the JP, and then make it cost badges only, and maybe more badges to make people think before they spam it.

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Posted by: Xaaz.8472

Xaaz.8472

Yup I Play when SoR sleeps, and JQ dominates. Getting backdoored by 60+ in my prime time play gets old, because JQ can field 20-30 pug across all map and have FoO float and backdoor any action BG makes, because SoR won’t even take a camp for about 6 hours of play. Gets old quick, its why many want kain, if not kain anyone for that matter to split the forces so its not a non stop backdoor fest, by the more populated server.

Do you understand how 24 hour coverage works? " if not kain anyone for that matter" You realize Kain is the only server that can field coverage during that time. SoR isn’t alone in coverage gaps. KN is no competition for BG and JQ during the other times though.

KN will only make a closer match for BG and JQ. No one thinks Kain will come up and take 2nd or first place. (Or even do better then SoR) The point is Kain will slow down JQ in BGs weak time slots making this already close match even closer.

The point is – NO they won’t. They’ll only make it more competitive in the one specific time slot you play in. Weaker in the others.

That may be true but Kain has great coverage when JQ cleans up BG. If BG can keep up the same pressure during the other time zones and kain slows JQs PPT during our off hours BG can have a much better chance at winning. But your right with out SoR in the other time zones its hard how BG and JQ will do with out SoR there.

The problem is that reducing the ppt will not secure the first place for BG and secondly Kaineng before even attacking JQ might actually secure the easiest points first and have BG run at 0 ppt during WM prime time. Also, with little challenge from Kaineng during N/A prime time JQ will have nothing else to do but focus BG and reduce the points even more.
Overall, I would say be careful what you wish for because it may not be what you want.

Depends on how it would work out, as it stands now JQ is running 400+ PPT at this time leaving both BG and SoR in the dust. Even if BG gets beat out during this time, the idea is kain would stop JQ from getting that 400+ PPT thus lowering the lead they gain during this time.

Now NA prime time is a different story, Its hard to speculate what would happen with out SoR being a strong 3rd presence.

So essentially, you don’t want a balanced 3 way fight, you want someone to “slow down” JQ while you sleep so you can win? The Tier would be a disaster if Kain moved up. They would get demolished in all but 1 time zone. SoR is a stronger server they just play the way they want, and that’s for fun, not the scoreboard. When the rest of the tier realizes the score means nothing, maybe these threads wouldn’t be filled to the brim with doo doo.

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

Yup I Play when SoR sleeps, and JQ dominates. Getting backdoored by 60+ in my prime time play gets old, because JQ can field 20-30 pug across all map and have FoO float and backdoor any action BG makes, because SoR won’t even take a camp for about 6 hours of play. Gets old quick, its why many want kain, if not kain anyone for that matter to split the forces so its not a non stop backdoor fest, by the more populated server.

Do you understand how 24 hour coverage works? " if not kain anyone for that matter" You realize Kain is the only server that can field coverage during that time. SoR isn’t alone in coverage gaps. KN is no competition for BG and JQ during the other times though.

KN will only make a closer match for BG and JQ. No one thinks Kain will come up and take 2nd or first place. (Or even do better then SoR) The point is Kain will slow down JQ in BGs weak time slots making this already close match even closer.

The point is – NO they won’t. They’ll only make it more competitive in the one specific time slot you play in. Weaker in the others.

That may be true but Kain has great coverage when JQ cleans up BG. If BG can keep up the same pressure during the other time zones and kain slows JQs PPT during our off hours BG can have a much better chance at winning. But your right with out SoR in the other time zones its hard how BG and JQ will do with out SoR there.

The problem is that reducing the ppt will not secure the first place for BG and secondly Kaineng before even attacking JQ might actually secure the easiest points first and have BG run at 0 ppt during WM prime time. Also, with little challenge from Kaineng during N/A prime time JQ will have nothing else to do but focus BG and reduce the points even more.
Overall, I would say be careful what you wish for because it may not be what you want.

Depends on how it would work out, as it stands now JQ is running 400+ PPT at this time leaving both BG and SoR in the dust. Even if BG gets beat out during this time, the idea is kain would stop JQ from getting that 400+ PPT thus lowering the lead they gain during this time.

Now NA prime time is a different story, Its hard to speculate what would happen with out SoR being a strong 3rd presence.

So essentially, you don’t want a balanced 3 way fight, you want someone to “slow down” JQ while you sleep so you can win? The Tier would be a disaster if Kain moved up. They would get demolished in all but 1 time zone. SoR is a stronger server they just play the way they want, and that’s for fun, not the scoreboard. When the rest of the tier realizes the score means nothing, maybe these threads wouldn’t be filled to the brim with doo doo.

I apologize for not coming off clear enough, but I’m not really trying to discuss the balance in Tier 1. It would be nice if all 3 servers in tier 1 could get good guilds to cover all the gaps in their time zones to have a strong 24/7 battle. But realistically that is very improbable. It would take either guilds from JQ to leave (which no one wants) or cannibalize lower tier servers to fill in BG and SoRs coverage gaps (which probably won’t happen and wouldn’t be good for the lower tiers). Over all I’m more talking about what will be more likely to happen, we have seen the JQ/BG/SoR match up and will continue to, the only other server that has a possibility to move to tier 1 in Kain. I’m sorry if I was misleading in my delivery.

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Posted by: Blade.9317

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Posted by: Thiefz.3695

Thiefz.3695

I think Zikory has been pretty open about his point. The last two pages have basically been a realization that what JQ and BG are saying about KN is different than what SoR is reading. I really respect Zikory’s responses as a member of the BG community. We all agree individually that balance is what is needed but human nature is not going to provide us with that based on the competition factor. Anyway, I hope I don’t get one shotted by Zik’s thief in WvW anytime soon.

Keep it classy T1.

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Posted by: Orikx.9671

Orikx.9671

Score update brought to you by Feisty:

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Posted by: Taldek.6105

Taldek.6105

Dear SoR, it’s not you, it’s us…. We still love you, but we just haven’t moved on from the meta yet.

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

If I remember right smokee predicted BG to lose by ~50k and considering its closer to 30k coming up to reset, I for one think the match up between BG and JQ is in a good place (even considering the few coverage gaps) I think if SoR can fill in a few gaps and gain a stronger over all presence, T1 can get closer to being “balanced”

Great Job this week JQ you really showed why your holding strong in first place! Congratulations to BG for showing the perseverance to keep fighting and keep getting better day in and day out!
To SoR (even with all my kain talk) I wish you the best as a server and hope your recruitment pays off! If any server can bring balance (or close to it) to tier 1 it SoR!

@Thiefz Thank you for your kind words. I’m a little all black Asura with Incinerator, I tend to spend my nights frolicking about in the snowy north of the defending BL’s. I’m normally running solo so don’t be to mean :-)

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Posted by: Liquid.9672

Liquid.9672

If I remember right smokee predicted BG to lose by ~50k and considering its closer to 30k coming up to reset, I for one think the match up between BG and JQ is in a good place (even considering the few coverage gaps) I think if SoR can fill in a few gaps and gain a stronger over all presence, T1 can get closer to being “balanced”

In my opinion, it could have been 50k or more if JQ wanted it to be. I gotta give em props to be honest. They’ve done a great job at using the scoreboard and PPT trends to determine when to give it some gas and when to lay off the pedal. It would not be in JQs interest to run up the score, as it would only potentially entice more stacking to try and beat them, which would be bad for everyone.

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Posted by: SFShinigami.2015

SFShinigami.2015

If I remember right smokee predicted BG to lose by ~50k and considering its closer to 30k coming up to reset, I for one think the match up between BG and JQ is in a good place (even considering the few coverage gaps) I think if SoR can fill in a few gaps and gain a stronger over all presence, T1 can get closer to being “balanced”

In my opinion, it could have been 50k or more if JQ wanted it to be. I gotta give em props to be honest. They’ve done a great job at using the scoreboard and PPT trends to determine when to give it some gas and when to lay off the pedal. It would not be in JQs interest to run up the score, as it would only potentially entice more stacking to try and beat them, which would be bad for everyone.

I can only speak towards JQ NA, but its definitely seemed like we’ve been a lot more laid back on anything that wasn’t reset day and even then we’ve been pretty good at keeping the ppt pretty close, sometimes leading most of the night. So to say that we’re being carried by FOO is inaccurate as it implies that we can’t do anything during other time zones. Heck, this week has had two SF Necro nights where we were 90% upleveled necros and one night where SF and PRX were doing Guild Missions followed up by very brief but dramatic appearances on SoR BL instead of 5-6 hours of warfare.

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

If I remember right smokee predicted BG to lose by ~50k and considering its closer to 30k coming up to reset, I for one think the match up between BG and JQ is in a good place (even considering the few coverage gaps) I think if SoR can fill in a few gaps and gain a stronger over all presence, T1 can get closer to being “balanced”

In my opinion, it could have been 50k or more if JQ wanted it to be. I gotta give em props to be honest. They’ve done a great job at using the scoreboard and PPT trends to determine when to give it some gas and when to lay off the pedal. It would not be in JQs interest to run up the score, as it would only potentially entice more stacking to try and beat them, which would be bad for everyone.

I can only speak towards JQ NA, but its definitely seemed like we’ve been a lot more laid back on anything that wasn’t reset day and even then we’ve been pretty good at keeping the ppt pretty close, sometimes leading most of the night. So to say that we’re being carried by FOO is inaccurate as it implies that we can’t do anything during other time zones. Heck, this week has had two SF Necro nights where we were 90% upleveled necros and one night where SF and PRX were doing Guild Missions followed up by very brief but dramatic appearances on SoR BL instead of 5-6 hours of warfare.

I don’t think anyone is implying that JQ was carried by FOO or any one part of your server. FOO’s time zone is only more noticeable due to the massive PPT JQ gains during that time. From some one that doesn’t play during that time and only watches the scores, it seems like the other time zones are fairly even (to a point) then FOO comes on and puts up a strong PPT to gain a lead. Since Neither me or Liquid are on JQ we can’t speak facts about what these guilds plans are, we can only make assumptions based off the information we have.

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Zikkro – Zergling Necromancer

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Posted by: deviller.9135

deviller.9135

If I remember right smokee predicted BG to lose by ~50k and considering its closer to 30k coming up to reset, I for one think the match up between BG and JQ is in a good place (even considering the few coverage gaps) I think if SoR can fill in a few gaps and gain a stronger over all presence, T1 can get closer to being “balanced”

In my opinion, it could have been 50k or more if JQ wanted it to be. I gotta give em props to be honest. They’ve done a great job at using the scoreboard and PPT trends to determine when to give it some gas and when to lay off the pedal. It would not be in JQs interest to run up the score, as it would only potentially entice more stacking to try and beat them, which would be bad for everyone.

I can only speak towards JQ NA, but its definitely seemed like we’ve been a lot more laid back on anything that wasn’t reset day and even then we’ve been pretty good at keeping the ppt pretty close, sometimes leading most of the night. So to say that we’re being carried by FOO is inaccurate as it implies that we can’t do anything during other time zones. Heck, this week has had two SF Necro nights where we were 90% upleveled necros and one night where SF and PRX were doing Guild Missions followed up by very brief but dramatic appearances on SoR BL instead of 5-6 hours of warfare.

I don’t think anyone is implying that JQ was carried by FOO or any one part of your server. FOO’s time zone is only more noticeable due to the massive PPT JQ gains during that time. From some one that doesn’t play during that time and only watches the scores, it seems like the other time zones are fairly even (to a point) then FOO comes on and puts up a strong PPT to gain a lead. Since Neither me or Liquid are on JQ we can’t speak facts about what these guilds plans are, we can only make assumptions based off the information we have.

Why don’t you ask to other guild ? It seems like BG only have 1 guild which is your guild. Try asking Thai, ND, MeRC, etc. Ask their commanders. Communication between guild is always needed.

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

I’m not sure if I understand what your saying but I’m in a very small guild, only myself and 1 other (Mezroth) regularly spend time in WvW. The rest do PvE mostly. As for Communication, I agree…I often sit in the BG VOIP listening in on the commanders of what ever BL I’m in, even though I spend most my time solo roaming, more often then not I can jump in and help the zerg in some way(if its taking camps, yaks, tapping garrison, or occupying defending players). I have full faith in the leadership of our top guilds and the commanders. My little guild is just a speck of what is Blackgate. In time we will grow as we are slowly recruiting, but all the credit for BG’s success go’s to all the guild of BG and the players that have dedicated there time to take Blackgate to where it is now. That said, I’m not speaking here on behalf of blackgate or any of BG’s guilds. I’m only speaking my mind on what I’ve seen via these forums, watching the scores and playing my limited time in WvW.

Edit: Sorry for the horrific sentence structure. Doing to many things at once :p

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Zikory – Retired Thief
Zikkro – Zergling Necromancer

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Posted by: Trikki.5803

Trikki.5803

If I remember right smokee predicted BG to lose by ~50k and considering its closer to 30k coming up to reset, I for one think the match up between BG and JQ is in a good place (even considering the few coverage gaps) I think if SoR can fill in a few gaps and gain a stronger over all presence, T1 can get closer to being “balanced”

Great Job this week JQ you really showed why your holding strong in first place! Congratulations to BG for showing the perseverance to keep fighting and keep getting better day in and day out!
To SoR (even with all my kain talk) I wish you the best as a server and hope your recruitment pays off! If any server can bring balance (or close to it) to tier 1 it SoR!

@Thiefz Thank you for your kind words. I’m a little all black Asura with Incinerator, I tend to spend my nights frolicking about in the snowy north of the defending BL’s. I’m normally running solo so don’t be to mean :-)

The most balanced time is US peak and JQ is 3rd there so in essense JQ IS being carried by FOO etc. Sanctum has some fantastic US guilds.

Thing is, the only thing really differentiating JQ from BG at this point in time is the SEA>EU timezone gap that FOO fills. KN would fill that void and yes it would mean a very competitive 1v1 (BG vs JQ) in terms of points. I feel sorry for the 3rd server in T1, we were there before, bouncing between T1 and T2 is not ideal. Smash one week, get smashed the next. Still, I miss T2 because in my timezone fights were pretty even regardless of points.

Personally, I couldn’t give two kittens about points, I care about a fun competitive Oceanic>SEA night instead of being zerged down by 60+ JQ zergs without being able to respond. Its just not fun.

The simple answer to T1 balance imo is to merge SoR and Kaineng (Sanctum of Kain? which would probably cause them to win to which I don’t care), at least it would be relatively balanced. Unfortunately that’s never going to happen.

Trikki – GM [NOC] Nocturnal (Oceanic Mature Age Guild)
Blackgate
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Posted by: Fannwong.3059

Fannwong.3059

Hello,

I play at the time when FOO, Merc, ND and other major guilds are out in full force. I have nothing but the deepest respect for all the guilds in JQ and BG.

However, with FOO their ability to focus 60+ man (this force includes other Taiwanese guilds like Fong Shen) on a single objective is beyond impressive. Their voice comms coordination along with the numbers and professional group composition make them nearly unstoppable. I think even with BG and SOR forces combined it’s plenty hard to stop them cold and force them to change maps.

I have fought along with guilds and militia from T8-T1 and have seen many foes. FOO + militia is probably the top 1% force in Asian Prime for NA servers.

FW

[SoX] – JQ

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Posted by: Kreen.3925

Kreen.3925

The simple answer to T1 balance imo is to merge SoR and Kaineng (Sanctum of Kain? which would probably cause them to win to which I don’t care), at least it would be relatively balanced. Unfortunately that’s never going to happen.

What you are really talking about is WM moving to SoR – and I just can’t see WM moving to SoR for one very obvious reason. The most amusing thing is its this very obvious reason that is the driving force in trying to make this happen but they appear blind to the potential problems that is them and continue to make things less likely with their behvaiour on this and other forums.

We are stuck with what we have at present.

I fight for JQ.
Kreen – Warrior L80, Mono Lith – Guardian L80
Higgsbosun – Thief L80, Silvron – Ranger L80.