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Posted by: Lord Kuru.3685

Lord Kuru.3685

So how many servers this time are in a position where it’s better to lose the matchup this week? Anyone done any analysis?

For example, NSP getting 2nd this week means it’ll likely be way overmatched for its last two matches putting it probably into 7th place at the very end.

On the other hand, getting 3rd this week means its last matchup will be identical to its first, so it would have a decent chance of getting 4th overall at the end.

This is not a matchup thread. Its purpose is to discuss the flaws of the current tournament format in hopes there could be some positive changes in the future (LOL).

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Posted by: azizul.8469

azizul.8469

speaking for a tournament strategy point of view :

i think CD is. they will win current match up. but to get the max point out of the tournament they will need to get 2nd in the next match up, and win again in the final match up. those match ups are within their control, it is just the question whether they would want to do that.

EDIT :

oh you’re talking about this week . then i revert my statement on CD. my general point is at a certain week it is better for some server to not win the match up, go 2nd instead , and go full blast at the week after. for CD they need to get 2nd in the next match up, and win the final match.

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Posted by: Baron Oakley.1539

Baron Oakley.1539

The tournament format was probably designed this way to block a 2v1 in gold league until the last week, by which point it will make no difference to the final standings. (It does in fact do this, although I guess it’s possible that this is coincidental…)

NSP’s situation is not unique. However, unlike season 2 it is most common for it to be advantageous to tank into 3rd from 2nd, rather than 2nd from 1st, in order to secure an easier final matchup.

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Posted by: Fuzzion.2504

Fuzzion.2504

Mathematically , 4 weeks with only 6 servers following a swiss system was not the right thing to do.

Why cant we just have 4 weeks of pure random matchups.

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Posted by: McWolfy.5924

McWolfy.5924

I this kind of tactics must be the part of the game. Server level tactics and cooperations are wonderful things

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Posted by: Lord Kuru.3685

Lord Kuru.3685

I this kind of tactics must be the part of the game. Server level tactics and cooperations are wonderful things

Server level tactics and cooperation are indeed wonderful. But losing on purpose as a strategy is not. It means your tournament design is flawed.

Remember the Olympic badminton scandal? Hilarious to watch (a fun watch on youtube) as both sides try to throw the match, but ultimately, pretty disgraceful.

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Posted by: Dayra.7405

Dayra.7405

Match-making seems to be like in season 2.

In 9-server leagues where 1 always wins and 1 always looses the final outcome will be:

  • 1) 800 tickets, won all matches
  • 2) 2 server get 650 tickets each
    2nd in last top match
    1st in last middle match
  • 4) 3 server get 600 tickets each
    Looser last top-match
    2nd last middle match
    Winner last bottom match
  • 7) 2 server get 550 tickets
    Looser last middle-match
    2nd last bottom match
  • 9) 1 server get 400 tickets, lost all matches.
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Posted by: BooHud.2681

BooHud.2681

Mathematically , 4 weeks with only 6 servers following a swiss system was not the right thing to do.

Why cant we just have 4 weeks of pure random matchups.


I am only agreeing with you because you are a topcheeckie Asuran with megaflappy ears. No, in all seriousness I kind of like this idea. Might be interesting to do on a beta basis.

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Posted by: Fuzzion.2504

Fuzzion.2504

Mathematically , 4 weeks with only 6 servers following a swiss system was not the right thing to do.

Why cant we just have 4 weeks of pure random matchups.


I am only agreeing with you because you are a topcheeckie Asuran with megaflappy ears. No, in all seriousness I kind of like this idea. Might be interesting to do on a beta basis.

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Posted by: Dayra.7405

Dayra.7405

I this kind of tactics must be the part of the game. Server level tactics and cooperations are wonderful things

Server level tactics and cooperation are indeed wonderful. But losing on purpose as a strategy is not. It means your tournament design is flawed.

No idea if we loose on purpose (even if a lot of player don’t go there can be seen as that.),
I am very happy that Elona is loosing this weeks T1, as it means we will have a nice match in T2 in a few hour, instead of another even worser T1 match.

As it is impossible for us to end first, our optimal strategy is: loosing this week T1, being 2nd next week T2, winning last week T2, voila, we end as (shared) 2nd.

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