Guild Wars 2

You all ask for “map changes” and for major overhauls. But spend some time thinking. What happens if they do a massive overhaul on a map??
Please, let me remind you – ALL tactics goes out the window. Meaning that WvW will be a cesspit of Q_Q for a week or two while people adjust. Such a change, would favor only big servers, as they would just zerg zerg zerg like always. However the same changes would devastate more tactically based low-pop servers. Potentially sending the entire ranking system into dismay. Now, being from EU, i can only speak for EU, but the last time a T1/T2 server ended up with a T4 or less, it was NOT a fun week for that T4 server. They got steamrolled all over the place without a moments chance to recover.

The reason WvW updates are realeased little by little, is to avoid big unannouced shifts that can cause problems.
Another problem with big changes are that it usually comes with an equally big pile of bugs. Now, let us all be honest, we got enough bugs as is. If things changed drastically and we ended up with another pile of bugs, with todays “fix” timeframe…. All i could say to that is; good luck, ima go play PvE/tPvP.

Sure WvW is important, but it is a niche. It is also a major headache, due to the balance department not showing any intent to split PvE, WvW and s/tPvP skills. And aslong as PvE and WvW is locked together, OP thiefs will be OP, because nerfing them in one department will kill em in the other.

@OP: Seriously…?

Look I’m not negative, resentful, and largely unhappy with the current state of the game because I’m being petty, biased, unreasonable, or deliberately hostile. I’ve attempted to make productive and sensible suggestions for WvW and engage in a civil dialog with the development team, but time and time again it is they who do not reciprocate. There’s only so much a person can take of trying to reason with the unreasonable before it devolves into resentment, ridicule, condescension, and cynicism.

Snoop around these very sub-forums oldest posts and track down the many constructive WvW suggestions, bug reports, functionality issues, and game mode discrepancies that are still present. Some of these bugs are things that PvE content would’ve had hot fixed within the hour it was mentioned.

I do not specifically blame the WvW Dev Team, nor hold them accountable for the lack of refinement, development, and functionality of WvW. I blame Arena Net, specifically guys like Colin Johanson, and especially a man who should know better, Mr. Mike O’Brien. He, Jeff Strain, and Pat Wyatt made their stand against the abusive business model of Blizzard years ago when they founded Arena Net which even drew its name from Battle.Net, the Blizzard project on which they all worked and the last genuinely good thing to roll out of Blizzard’s development studio in history.

Arena Net made their bed with NCSoft, and I will be brutally honest about my hatred for those who’ve conformed to development, business, and design models aimed to devolve the industry into a bunch of garbage content suited for as many unskilled casual gamers as possible just to artificially inflate profit margins and please investors. At least Jeff Strain got out to keep fighting the good fight over at Undead Labs…but the second they start selling out guess who’ll be there flaming them and ranting?

This guy

Oh yeah, I forgot about aoe loot.

1 year and here is my list of things anet did for wvw that are useful to me:
Culling fix
Traps
Aoe loot (which they should allow us to loop macro)

The wvw abilities are OK…. But up until the build/repair mastery and catapult line, the abilities really didn’t change much of anything. Arrow carts were broken and OP for a while… But that’s kind of it….

In the meantime we still
can’t drop party members
Have a bad commander system
Have glitched keeps camps, upgrades
Skill lag
Boring bl maps that were designed to have orbs
Dolyaks with paper towel armor
Keeps that can be way pointed into after being attacked
Mega zergs map hopping
No actual rewards for playing wvw and trying to win
Towers that drop you through the floor
Doors that can be glitched through
Speed hackers in wvw
Certain skills or traits are completely useless in all of wvw/pve/spvp
Siege placement bugs (disappearing siege upon placement)
Invuln areas where there should be none
People getting stuck in walls
Ranger pets running up walls
Meteor shower has no red aoe circle
Dragon tooth exploit
Mesmer greatsword shooting lasers through closed doors
Soul bound wvw ranks
I’m sure I’ve forgotten many more.. It’s late

Oh and people who exploited to make thousands of siege and omega golems via a duplication bug…. Didn’t get banned.

Prysin.8542:

You all ask for “map changes” and for major overhauls. But spend some time thinking. What happens if they do a massive overhaul on a map??
Please, let me remind you – ALL tactics goes out the window. Meaning that WvW will be a cesspit of Q_Q for a week or two while people adjust. Such a change, would favor only big servers, as they would just zerg zerg zerg like always. However the same changes would devastate more tactically based low-pop servers. Potentially sending the entire ranking system into dismay. Now, being from EU, i can only speak for EU, but the last time a T1/T2 server ended up with a T4 or less, it was NOT a fun week for that T4 server. They got steamrolled all over the place without a moments chance to recover.

3. Elona Reach 82 744
13. Gandara 22 385
16. Far Shiverpeaks 19 301

This is what is happening atm with these balanced maps that we all know tactics for. How worse could it be with a new map, where we would need a week or two to adapt new tactics?

lordkrall.7241:

Caffynated.5713:

The rest of the game’s map changes:

4 Halloween zones
Southsun cove
4 Christmas zones
3 New dungeon instances
A large Jumping puzzle in an existing zone
3 New sPvP maps
Dragon ball
Some additions I probably missed
The Queen’s Pavilion/gauntlet
Countless changes to Lion’s Arch

WvW:

No additions or changes because it takes time (2 weeks from GW2’s 1 year anniversary if you’re counting)

Either the WvW devs are hopelessly incompetent or ANet doesn’t provide the same level of support that it does for other game modes. When mini games get more development than one of GW2’s main game types, something is wrong and ANet need to be called on it.

At least be fair when you are making lists like that.
You are ignoring quite a few things added in WvW.

Were they significant? Many more things were added to PVE, but those were not as siginificant. I will agree, wvw random matchups were a good addition, but I don’t see any others. wxp and the abilities disappointed me. Not to mention, they are not refundable, so I still haven’t decided what to use them on X.X. I’m always scared something mindblowing will come out and I will not have the points to use. Also, could wxp be made account bound? I play multiple characters and I don’t want to be at a disadvantage because of that.

Well personally I’m not bitter at people like Devon, but at his higher-ups that decide a skeleton team and scarce acknowledgment in the development process is what WvW deserves.
I think the same goes for most people here.
It’s just that a lack of significant WvW updates over the past first year (the most important year in any online game) in light of bi-weekly PVE updates is a ripe, moist, moldy breeding ground of cynicism.

Here is some constructive feedback Devon!

It’s WvW that is keeping this game afloat NOT PvE

What it seems to me is, there is no WvW dev team. It seems that Devon is working on it alone, due to all other artists/programmers being working on living story / SPvP, so there’s not much he can do. We should be raging at ANet, not him.

Back to the original post, I must totally agree. There is a post in this forum about getting rid of Devon cause nothing has happened for 11 months and he responded he’s only been here for 5. Devon is one person, just like everyone else. And I am sure, from a job standpoint, he has had to get up to speed and then has to talk to his boss who has to talk to his boss… etc. Point is, stop hating the Dev team. Frustrating? Yes. But how about we all play nice together and share the blocks.

What I see is ANet is stuck between getting content out as quick as possible for the people as requested, but then people complain when its not polished. Pick your poison. They are doing the best they can.

DevonCarver.5370:

We’ve got thick skins, but I certainly appreciate constructive feedback. It’s also much more likely to receive a response both in the forums and in the game. So, as always, make good suggestions in a positive way and you’ll see changes. Cheers!

This is usually how it works, and why is it people don’t understand this is way beyond me.

You’ve got more spoiled brats to deal with in here then the PvP and PvE teams have to deal with.

PvE complains about Living Story, they want more permanent content. Open more areas, more world bosses that are actually challenging to fight, and more armour sets and weapon skins.

PvP mostly wants more balancing, more maps and more modes. Mostly those three.

WvW just seems to kitten and complain about every little thing. I don’t know how it is you are able to deal with it. If I were you? I’d probably have lost my job due to me lashing out at everyone who demands huge changes and improvements with the snap of a finger.

Midnattsol.4503:

DevonCarver.5370:

We’ve got thick skins, but I certainly appreciate constructive feedback. It’s also much more likely to receive a response both in the forums and in the game. So, as always, make good suggestions in a positive way and you’ll see changes. Cheers!

This is usually how it works, and why is it people don’t understand this is way beyond me.

You’ve got more spoiled brats to deal with in here then the PvP and PvE teams have to deal with.

PvE complains about Living Story, they want more permanent content. Open more areas, more world bosses that are actually challenging to fight, and more armour sets and weapon skins.

PvP mostly wants more balancing, more maps and more modes. Mostly those three.

WvW just seems to kitten and complain about every little thing. I don’t know how it is you are able to deal with it. If I were you? I’d probably have lost my job due to me lashing out at everyone who demands huge changes and improvements with the snap of a finger.

Failure. Who are you to insult thousands of WvW players? What do you know about the WvW player experience? Do you know where to find the constructive threads on the forum players have been making for a year?

“…everyone who demands huge changes and improvements with the snap of a finger.” Yes, I [and others] demand changes and improvements. We have waited patiently for a year. Meanwhile, we will vote with our feet [that means I won’t log in]. Think about that before you start a reply insulting your peers.

DevonCarver.5370:

We’ve got thick skins, but I certainly appreciate constructive feedback. It’s also much more likely to receive a response both in the forums and in the game. So, as always, make good suggestions in a positive way and you’ll see changes. Cheers!

I would love to set something like this up at work for myself:

A) If I agree with someone and they are praising me, I respond to them.

B) If I don’t agree, or they are pointing out my MANY mistakes, I just ignore them and periodically say ohh I’m busy.

C) But the really smart idea is to say well if you have good ideas and you are super nice to me you might get your way! This is great because it forces everyone to be nice to you, despite the complete lack of accountability and responsibility and professionalism demonstrated in A&B. And even if they are nice to you, you just automatically imply their idea was stupid because you didn’t do it.

This is the best 3 step plan to avoid work I have ever seen. Are you Wally from the Dilbert cartoons IRL?

Tusktikva.9750:

3. Elona Reach 82 744
13. Gandara 22 385
16. Far Shiverpeaks 19 301

This is what is happening atm with these balanced maps that we all know tactics for. How worse could it be with a new map, where we would need a week or two to adapt new tactics?

i used to play on far shiver. Trust me when i say this; if Far Shiver hadn’t lost two of their WvW guilds, they woulda given those two servers a beating. But atm, Far Shiver has 3 WvW guilds, that barely cooperate. And the main reason Far Shiver is so far behind is because there is only 4 decent commanders there, no nightcrew, and no morning crew.

problematic.9623:

Midnattsol.4503:

DevonCarver.5370:

We’ve got thick skins, but I certainly appreciate constructive feedback. It’s also much more likely to receive a response both in the forums and in the game. So, as always, make good suggestions in a positive way and you’ll see changes. Cheers!

This is usually how it works, and why is it people don’t understand this is way beyond me.

You’ve got more spoiled brats to deal with in here then the PvP and PvE teams have to deal with.

PvE complains about Living Story, they want more permanent content. Open more areas, more world bosses that are actually challenging to fight, and more armour sets and weapon skins.

PvP mostly wants more balancing, more maps and more modes. Mostly those three.

WvW just seems to kitten and complain about every little thing. I don’t know how it is you are able to deal with it. If I were you? I’d probably have lost my job due to me lashing out at everyone who demands huge changes and improvements with the snap of a finger.

Failure. Who are you to insult thousands of WvW players? What do you know about the WvW player experience? Do you know where to find the constructive threads on the forum players have been making for a year?

“…everyone who demands huge changes and improvements with the snap of a finger.” Yes, I [and others] demand changes and improvements. We have waited patiently for a year. Meanwhile, we will vote with our feet [that means I won’t log in]. Think about that before you start a reply insulting your peers.

Okay, and? Why don’t you go work for ArenaNet, if you think you can do better?

The one thing I do hate that a lot of developers seem to do is keep the community left in the dark about almost everything. But aside from that it seems you missed the point.

If you get off your high horse and actually suggest, or give positive feedback? Perhaps they’ll be more inclined to tell you what’s going on.

Though I don’t know, I can’t read Devon’s mind, and I also don’t have a ton of hours into WvW either. Following a 100+ Zerg, to me is very boring after you do it a dozen times.

Midnattsol.4503:

problematic.9623:

Midnattsol.4503:

DevonCarver.5370:

We’ve got thick skins, but I certainly appreciate constructive feedback. It’s also much more likely to receive a response both in the forums and in the game. So, as always, make good suggestions in a positive way and you’ll see changes. Cheers!

This is usually how it works, and why is it people don’t understand this is way beyond me.

You’ve got more spoiled brats to deal with in here then the PvP and PvE teams have to deal with.

PvE complains about Living Story, they want more permanent content. Open more areas, more world bosses that are actually challenging to fight, and more armour sets and weapon skins.

PvP mostly wants more balancing, more maps and more modes. Mostly those three.

WvW just seems to kitten and complain about every little thing. I don’t know how it is you are able to deal with it. If I were you? I’d probably have lost my job due to me lashing out at everyone who demands huge changes and improvements with the snap of a finger.

Failure. Who are you to insult thousands of WvW players? What do you know about the WvW player experience? Do you know where to find the constructive threads on the forum players have been making for a year?

“…everyone who demands huge changes and improvements with the snap of a finger.” Yes, I [and others] demand changes and improvements. We have waited patiently for a year. Meanwhile, we will vote with our feet [that means I won’t log in]. Think about that before you start a reply insulting your peers.

Okay, and? Why don’t you go work for ArenaNet, if you think you can do better?

The one thing I do hate that a lot of developers seem to do is keep the community left in the dark about almost everything. But aside from that it seems you missed the point.

If you get off your high horse and actually suggest, or give positive feedback? Perhaps they’ll be more inclined to tell you spoiled brats what the hell is going on.

Though I don’t know, I can’t read Devon’s mind.

I don’t own a horse. I am not higher than you. I have given both positive and negative feedback. Do you need links? Did you read all the developer responses? I made a thread for that…

Stop the anger and do something constructive with it.

I will say at least we get some info now via Devon. We used to get ignored by the old head of wvw.

I agree I think all this blaming is not helping resolve any problems for that Reason I am getting away from playing GW2 for a few months that should give them time to resolve the issues. During this Time I will find another Game to play and spend my money on. If when I return Nothing has changed in GW2 I will uninstall it and go back to spending my money somewhere else and of course my purchasing GW3 will be out of the question no matter what it offers.

So Anet here is your chance to determine your future with me, Do you make the changes to WvW or do you continue to think your all that and Lose me and my money.

Something I feel like a lot of people forget… We don’t PAY anything for GW2… Unless you want to. How much content has been put out there at no extra cost to any player that gets to enjoy it? All of it.

Bowulf.9726:

Something I feel like a lot of people forget… We don’t PAY anything for GW2… Unless you want to. How much content has been put out there at no extra cost to any player that gets to enjoy it? All of it.

I’ve invested $500+ into GW2 along with an unhealthy 2,500+ hours (most of it in WvW). Some of us are very attached to the game we only want to see improve. Specifically the WvW people need more than we’ve been getting. A new mastery every two to four weeks doesn’t cut it. We need quality of life changes, and better tools to play the game on a day to day basis, not a longer WxP grind that facilitates zerging or tower trading.

Midnattsol.4503:

If you get off your high horse and actually suggest, or give positive feedback? Perhaps they’ll be more inclined to tell you what’s going on.

Nope. I have been posting positive feedback / suggestions since the game came out and it has not once been addressed until I had a fit which allowed other people to echo similar frustrations. THEN, Devon actually answered some questions addressing why long standing issues affecting the player-base have not been addressed in a timely manner and will continue to be issues for some time in the future.

I’ve been bumping two versions of “a better commander system” for months now. No feedback. No pop in from Devon “Hey, nice ideas, but implementing this is more complex than it first appears.” Nadda!

Get people to express their frustrations and bam, more answers than we’ve had from a wvw developer in months. Odd?

I wish it wasn’t this way, I prefer a polite exchange of ideas, but this took enough squeaky wheels to get some grease.

And no I don’t hate Devon. I hate Devon’s bosses. Devon’s the poor guy who actually has to work and produce, his middle manager bosses squeeze him for hours and funding. Whee~ what fun.

Midnattsol.4503:

If you get off your high horse and actually suggest, or give positive feedback? Perhaps they’ll be more inclined to tell you what’s going on.

Yeeaaaaah it doesn’t work like that. I want it to…but it doesn’t. It’s about good timing of your post and that’s it. I’ve seen as well as suggested/asked a lot of things that have all been made in a very positive as well as constructive manner with good responses and discussions that got zero attention. None of that matters though. If you don’t post it when a Dev is ready to reply it’s not going to be touched. That’s not hate on the developers or anything, they’re busy people. That’s just how it is.

Urrid.4593:

I’ve invested $500+ into GW2 along with an unhealthy 2,500+ hours (most of it in WvW).

Again, your choice.

Urrid.4593:

No pop in from Devon “Hey, nice ideas, but implementing this is more complex than it first appears.” Nadda!

And yes he has answered. From another post in WvW forums (I can’t get the link to work..)

Knightmare.8634:

Devon,

A few questions/suggestions hopefully you can chime in on.

1. Any news/updates on making winning the match up more rewarding? There is very little fanfare or even acknowledgement that your server won. The passives are ok I guess, but at the end of the day it just feels hollow.

2. WvW Abilities – All in all I have to admit, they are just boring. Passives blah, some of the siege abilities are ok. I know you have to be careful with balance… but I would really like to see more creativity here.

3. Any chance of getting WvW Rank locked unique skins? Maybe an Aura around you? Something/anything unique to WvW to show off??? ( Same for SPVP, but thats a different topic)

4. Guild Claiming really needs to mean more. Defending in general needs to mean more.

5. I honestly think with the modest size of your maps and how many people are crammed into them. The waypoints upgrades should be removed.

6. Commander System – That is all the needs to be said.

7. How about DAOC style killspam? Just throwing that out there. I know a lot of people that loved it. At the end of the day we all want to be the hero!

Ok this is turning into a wall of text so I’ll stop here.

DevonCarver.5370:

1) There should be some movement on this in the very near future. And that version will not be the final version either, but we wanted to make some changes quickly.

2) We will continue to work on these abilities in the hopes of making them more fun and providing more variety. We are however quite set on not adding power creep, at least not much, which makes them fairly constrained. We have yet to unleash our craziest ideas.

3)That is not something I had thought of, but I think it’s a good idea and I’ll at least start the ball rolling. Skins take forever and a day to be made though, so it won’t be for months if we do it at all.

4) We will update guild claiming in the future, but there are other tasks we are focused on at the moment. It’s also something that we want to do a very serious overhaul to, so it isn’t something that can happen in bits an pieces.

5) I agree and we will likely remove them at some point in the future. However, to do so requires additional work because of the complexities of the upgrade system. It’s not as simple to do as it should be. But we have to work with the tools we have.

6) We are in the process of figuring out just what we’ll need to do to the commander system to make it what it should be. Much like guild claiming it is not a small overhaul though and it won’t be in place for quite some time.

7) It is on our list of things to do, but it is not going to happen until we’ve handled some other, more serious things. Like the commander system. While I certainly wish I had a legion of designers and programmers at my disposal, we have a finite amount of resources to be put to work and we have to prioritize them according to what is necessary for the game. Sometimes that means doing things that have seemingly little impact to y’all, but eventually pay dividends in other ways.

Hope that is informative.

I am sorry but you didn’t happen to see the title and or content from that other thread you pulled those quotes from? Also, way to quote me out of context trying to “prove” a point. Perhaps you didn’t read my post properly? Good job, I guess.

edit: here is how you get proper links on this forum software.

Midnattsol.4503:

problematic.9623:

Midnattsol.4503:

DevonCarver.5370:

We’ve got thick skins, but I certainly appreciate constructive feedback. It’s also much more likely to receive a response both in the forums and in the game. So, as always, make good suggestions in a positive way and you’ll see changes. Cheers!

This is usually how it works, and why is it people don’t understand this is way beyond me.

You’ve got more spoiled brats to deal with in here then the PvP and PvE teams have to deal with.

PvE complains about Living Story, they want more permanent content. Open more areas, more world bosses that are actually challenging to fight, and more armour sets and weapon skins.

PvP mostly wants more balancing, more maps and more modes. Mostly those three.

WvW just seems to kitten and complain about every little thing. I don’t know how it is you are able to deal with it. If I were you? I’d probably have lost my job due to me lashing out at everyone who demands huge changes and improvements with the snap of a finger.

Failure. Who are you to insult thousands of WvW players? What do you know about the WvW player experience? Do you know where to find the constructive threads on the forum players have been making for a year?

“…everyone who demands huge changes and improvements with the snap of a finger.” Yes, I [and others] demand changes and improvements. We have waited patiently for a year. Meanwhile, we will vote with our feet [that means I won’t log in]. Think about that before you start a reply insulting your peers.

Okay, and? Why don’t you go work for ArenaNet, if you think you can do better?

The one thing I do hate that a lot of developers seem to do is keep the community left in the dark about almost everything. But aside from that it seems you missed the point.

If you get off your high horse and actually suggest, or give positive feedback? Perhaps they’ll be more inclined to tell you what’s going on.

Though I don’t know, I can’t read Devon’s mind, and I also don’t have a ton of hours into WvW either. Following a 100+ Zerg, to me is very boring after you do it a dozen times.

Lonewolf.5869:

2) This is THE ONLY real pvp area in GW2, why is there so much PvE in it? can we cut the PvE down, like the grub and vistas and people farming kills and nods…

11 months later

“Say bye bye to the Quaggon.”

Perfectly reasonable response time. Perhaps when you call a plumber to fix your sink anytime between noon and next January is acceptable as well.

If WvW’rs would only get their own Grouch instead of always whining things might’ve been different.

I feel bad for anyone that has to try to put down an angry mob on a forum, but they’ve only brought it upon themselves. Whether it’s someone who only does PR or an actual dev posting, it really does not seem that they’ve grasped any of the real problems in WvW or given us a credible plan to make positive changes. “We’re changing the Quaggon’s” is like saying “We’re changing the flowers in your garden”, as the house is on fire.

I can’t get over how ridiculous anet has allowed a PvP format to become balance wise. Take Joe the Engineer for example…plays through some PvE with his engi, gets to 80, now he wants to play WvW. The kind of player that WvW is ostensibly designed for. First he realizes his class is terrible in WvW. Ok, so he makes a new one. Now he’s out fighting with his level 2 necro against players running around with far better gear, superior sigil stacks, food, and now guard stacks too. It is hilariously lopsided. How many hours of his life does Joe get to look forward to wasting before he’s on an even playing field?

I’m sorry, I know a lot of people from the MMO scene actually like grind, but it’s antithetical to GW PvP and players who got use to 5 minute re-rolls to play anything, any way they wanted, with all the tools at their immediate disposal to theorycraft and learn new things. Why we are still stuck in this awful grind mentality for WvW rather than moving to an sPvP type system, or at least a compromise amazes me. Ahead of all the other problems with WvW, this has got to be the #1 reason players drift away from it or make a decision that their time is more valuable than grinding to simply play the kitten game.

The above two paragraph rant is a direct response to anet’s goal of “making WvW more fun” and “not introducing more power creep”. Aside from fixing culling and making siege not character bound, practically everything you’ve done to the bloody game has made it less fun and introduced more power creep! So I’m not buying a let’s take it easy on the devs plea when they have been going in the wrong direction for a year now.

zen.6091:

I feel bad for anyone that has to try to put down an angry mob on a forum, but they’ve only brought it upon themselves. Whether it’s someone who only does PR or an actual dev posting, it really does not seem that they’ve grasped any of the real problems in WvW or given us a credible plan to make positive changes. “We’re changing the Quaggon’s” is like saying “We’re changing the flowers in your garden”, as the house is on fire.

I can’t get over how ridiculous anet has allowed a PvP format to become balance wise. Take Joe the Engineer for example…plays through some PvE with his engi, gets to 80, now he wants to play WvW. The kind of player that WvW is ostensibly designed for. First he realizes his class is terrible in WvW. Ok, so he makes a new one. Now he’s out fighting with his level 2 necro against players running around with far better gear, superior sigil stacks, food, and now guard stacks too. It is hilariously lopsided. How many hours of his life does Joe get to look forward to wasting before he’s on an even playing field?

I’m sorry, I know a lot of people from the MMO scene actually like grind, but it’s antithetical to GW PvP and players who got use to 5 minute re-rolls to play anything, any way they wanted, with all the tools at their immediate disposal to theorycraft and learn new things. Why we are still stuck in this awful grind mentality for WvW rather than moving to an sPvP type system, or at least a compromise amazes me. Ahead of all the other problems with WvW, this has got to be the #1 reason players drift away from it or make a decision that their time is more valuable than grinding to simply play the kitten game.

The above two paragraph rant is a direct response to anet’s goal of “making WvW more fun” and “not introducing more power creep”. Aside from fixing culling and making siege not character bound, practically everything you’ve done to the bloody game has made it less fun and introduced more power creep! So I’m not buying a let’s take it easy on the devs plea when they have been going in the wrong direction for a year now.

This is constructive criticism. Generally agree with statements here.

I like this quote a lot, “So I’m not buying a let’s take it easy on the devs plea when they have been going in the wrong direction for a year now.”

The developer “members” changed, but they inherited the game. They inherited its strengths and weaknesses. They inherited its failures and successes.

I don’t like sugarcoating stuff, I don’t really consider what I say or the majority of the stuff I read on the forums hate. The game has some apparent flaws that are eighter hard for them to fix or (unlikely) are being purposely avoided. I can say that I dislike their PR so far, horribly overblown most of the time.

Anyway more power to ANet, as kitteny as I am they are still the best draw in the MMO deck of many things. This last update was really nice, I love the Gauntlet as it allows me to have fun in a more GW1 style.

More power to the devs, I guess. O.o

Mif.3471:

DevonCarver.5370:

So, as always, make good suggestions in a positive way and you’ll see changes.

People have been making VERY good suggestions for nearly an entire year now, and the number of changes in WvW can be counted on one hand.

People are fed up with WvW being neglected, and this is the reason people are critical of the Devs. It has nothing to do with “hating” as the OP childishly puts it.

That’s a matter of opinion. I’ve seen some mind-blowingly bad ideas get +1s all over the place because of the “other games do it” mentality. Kill spam is one of them. “Hey, let’s flood the chat windows or UI with some useless, bandwidth wasting spam of information most people don’t give a crap about! DAoC did it! Woohoo!” Please. I don’t care who killed who, I don’t care if someone else knows who I killed, and I certainly don’t want any precious resources wasted spamming that information to everyone on the map, especially when zergs collide.

People can get easily upset about something they care about. Not saying it’s ok to hate on the dev team, but people want the game to get better for a reason.
And they sure need some thick skins, some of them have dolyak hide I think.

Next month they will be rolling out “Suggestion Mastery”:

“For those people who think their opinion matters, place WvW rank points into Suggestion Mastery. At R-100 you will be able to send 1(one) suggestion to ANET on how to improve the WvW experience. At which time we will promptly reply with the following message:

Dear <username>,

We appreciate the time you took to contact us with your suggestion, we would like you to know that we are taking it under advisement and will work on it soon. We regret to inform you however, that we cannot give you a timetable on just if and when your suggestion will be implemented.

In the meantime, please check out our new Living Story content, there are loads of things to do there. If that gets stale just wait us out, we recommend building more siege and further ruining the game that we did not know how to cater to in the first place.

Ynot.8397:

Mif.3471:

DevonCarver.5370:

So, as always, make good suggestions in a positive way and you’ll see changes.

People have been making VERY good suggestions for nearly an entire year now, and the number of changes in WvW can be counted on one hand.

People are fed up with WvW being neglected, and this is the reason people are critical of the Devs. It has nothing to do with “hating” as the OP childishly puts it.

You are the reason the wvw forums have less posts than the other forums. People like you who judge others so harshly. “Childishly?” Who are you to judge how others choose to speak? I would kindly ask you to leave the forums and never come back.

Most of what the forums put out in terms of criticism comes across as mindless hate. You need to take some time off the game if this is what the forums bring out in you.

what he said is correct though except for the childish part. There have been many great suggestions but its wvw so who cares right. Spvp is special lets work on that more. Anets ’’esports’’ isnt gona go any where at this rate even though they mainly work on PvE and Spvp. WvW is the red headed step child for a long while now and many people have stopped caring. The last kitten i gave about anything on this game was december. Now i just play till something else comes along since not much good stuff out there atm.

Caliburn.1845:

Dev team?

After the “WvW Patch” where Habib turned things over to Devon it seems pretty clear that dev resources focused on WvW were diverted to other things. Hello four Living Story teams.

I like Devon, he’s pretty open with us, and his post a month or two back showed that he understands some of the core problems that are wrong with WvW.

But I think he is stuck in a dank corner at A-Net totally alone, with a lopsided desk propped up on a phonebook, with a solitary flickering lightbulb to light his workspace.

Every morning he walks into his cubicle past the dozens of happily humming Living Story designers and flips on his computer. Desperate to provide even one line in the patch notes related to WvW he opens notepad and starts doodling, “Building upgrade mastery” upgrades cost 5% less, “Dolyak Slayer mastery” take 10% less damage from dolyaks…

I don’t blame Devon, he’s been given a thankless job with apparently zero resources.

I just wish A-Net would wake up, and realize what every other MMO has realized at some point. WvW/PvP populations are small compared to PVE, but they are vocal and important. When you lose that population, the PVErs start to look around and think to themselves, “Why do I need cool skins, when there are no 70 man zergs to run around with and show off?”

HAHA this is hilarious and true!

As much as sometimes I loathe the development team for some of their poor practices (WvW will be shutting down in about an hour….5 seconds later…welcome to lions arch!)…. I appreciate the effort they put in…all 2 of the developers assigned…

I can definitely picture devon and the WvW team in that crappy part of anet’s building muttering and mumbling to themselves….stoopud living story team…4 teams of people…I get the two crackerjack box developers….then every morning I come to work I get to log in and talk to the festering mob that is WvW players…most of them not playing as much so now they can just post all over these stupid forums we created…and even if I do put something new in….i’m just gonna hear OH ABOUT TIME ANET!! …love my job….fml….i’m going to pve…

Pretty sad that the whole thread went to hell on the very first comments, hopefully one day we’ll see a much more mature WvW community. Guess that at least there’s some fun in the matchup threads (gif spams!).

Even if we are left out in the dark as some say and not seeing the updates that many want to get, there is no excuse to start attacking each other or the devs, that’s just being lame.

Still it’s not like everything has to be rainbows and bronies, but the hate that you can see on the WvW threads is just too much.

Relevant.

Obscure One.4357

Devon Carver: “god!#$it these !#$ing forum posters are !@#$ing killing me. I’m not sure how long I can stall them before they eat me alive.”
ANet Overseer: “tell them to check out the living story, it’s got loads of new content.”
Devon Carver: “I do that and they’ll !@#$ing riot. Just give me a bigger team and a larger budget.
ANet Overseer: “But we need it for the living story, it’s got loads of new content.”
Devon Carver: “Look these guys !#$ing hate the content, and pick apart every !#$ing word I say! Gimme something.”
ANet Overseer: “We can give you some living story, it’s got loads of new content.”
Devon Carver: “…”
ANet Overseer: “What?”
Devon Carver: “…”
ANet Overseer: “What?!”
Devon Carver: “I’m just gonna get back to work…if you don’t see me for awhile it’s because some crazed mob ate my legs…”

ghost.3208:

Pretty sad that the whole thread went to hell on the very first comments, hopefully one day we’ll see a much more mature WvW community. Guess that at least there’s some fun in the matchup threads (gif spams!).

Even if we are left out in the dark as some say and not seeing the updates that many want to get, there is no excuse to start attacking each other or the devs, that’s just being lame.

Still it’s not like everything has to be rainbows and bronies, but the hate that you can see on the WvW threads is just too much.

It’s not hate, it’s frustration. And here’s a bit of news for you … frustration comes from caring. From ANet’s position, loudly griping on the forums is NOT the worst thing that can happen (although I’m doubtful they realize it and you sure as hell don’t). The absolute worst thing that can happen is for players (customers) to simply give up and decide that nothing is ever going to change significantly enough to make a difference. For you, lordkrall, Vena, VOLKON, and others … I will tell you that kittening on the forums is actually a sign that there is still hope. When it goes away, one of two things has happened … either the key issues got addressed and the game got remarkably better, or most of the people who actually cared about the game left.

Cactus.2710:

ghost.3208:

Pretty sad that the whole thread went to hell on the very first comments, hopefully one day we’ll see a much more mature WvW community. Guess that at least there’s some fun in the matchup threads (gif spams!).

Even if we are left out in the dark as some say and not seeing the updates that many want to get, there is no excuse to start attacking each other or the devs, that’s just being lame.

Still it’s not like everything has to be rainbows and bronies, but the hate that you can see on the WvW threads is just too much.

It’s not hate, it’s frustration. And here’s a bit of news for you … frustration comes from caring. From ANet’s position, loudly griping on the forums is NOT the worst thing that can happen (although I’m doubtful they realize it and you sure as hell don’t). The absolute worst thing that can happen is for players (customers) to simply give up and decide that nothing is ever going to change significantly enough to make a difference. For you, lordkrall, Vena, VOLKON, and others … I will tell you that kittening on the forums is actually a sign that there is still hope. When it goes away, one of two things has happened … either the key issues got addressed and the game got remarkably better, or most of the people who actually cared about the game left.

+1 for Cactus. Agree. Thank you for teasing out the emotions involved.

Cactus.2710:

It’s not hate, it’s frustration……frustration comes from caring…….The absolute worst thing that can happen is for players (customers) to simply give up and decide that nothing is ever going to change significantly enough to make a difference……When it goes away, one of two things has happened … either the key issues got addressed and the game got remarkably better, or most of the people who actually cared about the game left.

That is pretty much everything in a nutshell…I am very negative, I won’t try to deny it. But it is only because this game has so much potential that is being wasted, sure that is a matter of opinion…But check the forums, every day more and more people are swaying toward that side of the argument.

It is not about “hating ANET, or their Devs”, it is about not letting people ruin something because they cannot see the forest for the trees. For better or worse, Cactus is right, it all comes from a place of actually caring about this game and where it’s headed.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Cactus.2710:

It’s not hate, it’s frustration……frustration comes from caring…….The absolute worst thing that can happen is for players (customers) to simply give up and decide that nothing is ever going to change significantly enough to make a difference……When it goes away, one of two things has happened … either the key issues got addressed and the game got remarkably better, or most of the people who actually cared about the game left.

That is pretty much everything in a nutshell…I am very negative, I won’t try to deny it. But it is only because this game has so much potential that is being wasted, sure that is a matter of opinion…But check the forums, every day more and more people are swaying toward that side of the argument.

It is not about “hating ANET, or their Devs”, it is about not letting people ruin something because they cannot see the forest for the trees. For better or worse, Cactus is right, it all comes from a place of actually caring about this game and where it’s headed.

The level of craftsmanship in the game is truly remarkable and thus even the slightest flaw is painfully noticeable.

Imagine the Mona Lisa, but with a giant zit on her forehead. Same concept. Art is always a gestalt practice in which the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. If any one part is lacking it has a further reaching impact on the whole which cannot be isolated. Ignore the WvW element, the entire game suffers.

Obscure One.4357:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Cactus.2710:

It’s not hate, it’s frustration……frustration comes from caring…….The absolute worst thing that can happen is for players (customers) to simply give up and decide that nothing is ever going to change significantly enough to make a difference……When it goes away, one of two things has happened … either the key issues got addressed and the game got remarkably better, or most of the people who actually cared about the game left.

That is pretty much everything in a nutshell…I am very negative, I won’t try to deny it. But it is only because this game has so much potential that is being wasted, sure that is a matter of opinion…But check the forums, every day more and more people are swaying toward that side of the argument.

It is not about “hating ANET, or their Devs”, it is about not letting people ruin something because they cannot see the forest for the trees. For better or worse, Cactus is right, it all comes from a place of actually caring about this game and where it’s headed.

The level of craftsmanship in the game is truly remarkable and thus even the slightest flaw is painfully noticeable.

Imagine the Mona Lisa, but with a giant zit on her forehead. Same concept. Art is always a gestalt practice in which the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. If any one part is lacking it has a further reaching impact on the whole which cannot be isolated. Ignore the WvW element, the entire game suffers.

The frustration continues to grow when said “giant zit” is largely ignored, and instead earrings are added, which will need to be touched up a few times to get them “just right”. All the while the “zit” remains.

That sounds like a new meme:

GW2 WvW

Its like a giant zit [something you don’t want to look at]

Ynot.8397:

Everyone constantly whines about the dev team. They post things on the forums and all they receive is kittening afterwards. Oh, you are removing the quaggans? Shouldn’t have been pve in the first place. Come on people. If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all. This is especially true when we don’t even know what they are going to be doing in a bunch of their changes. You can be mad at them not caring about wvw or w/e, but when the devs do talk to us at least try to be courteous. The devs talk in the spvp forums a lot more than over here. Guess how most of the replies to the devs sounds over there, oh yeah, NICE.

So can we stop our collective kittening at least when devs respond? Make your case for them not caring, or kitten about something(maybe have a little less rng in our matchups please?) but for god’s sake be respectful people.

Just stop. The people in spvp forums are nice to devs because devs provide them monthly content. Of course us wvw players are gonna get mad when we haven’t recieved any sort of update except a few minor things like ranks. There is new content all the time for pve and spvp but wvw we still have same 3 copy pasted maps and out dated altar of power. Of course I am going to be angry at devs for not giving us anything.