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Posted by: Blrrgh.6908

Blrrgh.6908

So Sanctum of Rall just lost its only two Asian guilds today and Isle of Janthir lost a 400 man alliance?

Well, atleast we fall together. It’s been a good 2 months IoJ, certainly been a pleasure.

Ouch. I’m wondering if SoR and IoJ should just merge. If IoJ Oceanics won’t move to SoR (understandably since they want other Oceanics around for PvE etc.), then maybe SoR NA should move there.

I hate saying that. I’ve been SoR since day one, and may even stay behind if this did happen, but it seems to make a lot of sense coverage-wise.

Well… if enough Oceanics/Asian players come to SoR, it wouldn’t be an issue.

There will be people around to play if they all come at once.

I would love this as much as anyone, but basically IoJ was chosen at the very beginning as an Oceanic server. You’d have to migrate all the PvE’ers and everyone else now over to SoR to make it work. I’m just not sure how feasible that is.

It probably isn’t feasible, but we do have people who play at that time, just not enough in WvW to make a huge difference.

Even if it were just WvW players who made the move, they shouldn’t have too many issues.

On the other hand , it would be much easier for SoR to fill the gaps in the IoJ server coverage vs the other way around. The problem is that both servers have very strong community loyalties and rightfully so. If this was “guild” wars and not server wars, this would not be an issue I think.

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Posted by: Thundar.3910

Thundar.3910

Why is everyone so depressed? Its just a game guys, Tier 2 is always fun and you know there is always a great battle when you walk out into the wvw battlefield. Win or lose I will continue to have fun That’s what its all about.

No one is depressed, they’re tired. We IoJ/SoR fought SoS for a few weeks, which had better round the clock coverage than BG even has, and now 6 weeks of BG which still has better coverage than us both(aside from a few weak hours). Plus I think we can all agree these month and a half long matches get a little stale, at this point a change of names might revive us all. Hopefully BG moves back into T1 in the next week or so, look like IoJ may be moving down this week, us here at SoR will remain….blue!

I think most of us were hoping T1 would be the “round the clock” tier, with people to have evenish coverage on all time zones, and T2 would sort of evolve into the heavy populated NA timezone tier, that would make for some close/fun matches in both tiers. Right now we have 4 servers with a decent “night crew” which leads us to one server I guess “out covering” the other 2 in T2. As George Thorogood would say: BUT I’M TIRED I’VE BEEN WALKIN’ ALL DAY!

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Posted by: yarz widowmaker.5893

yarz widowmaker.5893

Yes please make a super server. And when we still manage to win, then you can make a super duper server.

BG this type of response is why your server gets a bad name. There are many respectable players and guilds that are on your server but things like this is really bring you down.

Otherwise great battles and see you on the battlefield.

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Posted by: tkalamba.2541

tkalamba.2541

Why is everyone so depressed? Its just a game guys, Tier 2 is always fun and you know there is always a great battle when you walk out into the wvw battlefield. Win or lose I will continue to have fun That’s what its all about.

No one is depressed, they’re tired. We IoJ/SoR fought SoS for a few weeks, which had better round the clock coverage than BG even has, and now 6 weeks of BG which still has better coverage than us both(aside from a few weak hours). Plus I think we can all agree these month and a half long matches get a little stale, at this point a change of names might revive us all. Hopefully BG moves back into T1 in the next week or so, look like IoJ may be moving down this week, us here at SoR will remain….blue!

I think most of us were hoping T1 would be the “round the clock” tier, with people to have evenish coverage on all time zones, and T2 would sort of evolve into the heavy populated NA timezone tier, that would make for some close/fun matches in both tiers. Right now we have 4 servers with a decent “night crew” which leads us to one server I guess “out covering” the other 2 in T2. As George Thorogood would say: BUT I’M TIRED I’VE BEEN WALKIN’ ALL DAY!

I don’t remember ever being any other colour but blue….. It’s been too long

Lord Lefteris – Engineer [Sanctum of Rall]

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Posted by: marquees.6230

marquees.6230

Yes please make a super server. And when we still manage to win, then you can make a super duper server.

BG this type of response is why your server gets a bad name. There are many respectable players and guilds that are on your server but things like this is really bring you down.

Otherwise great battles and see you on the battlefield.

Just because some ego bloated individual tries to speak for the whole of our server, doesn’t make all of us unsportsman. Yes, I know there are some, err, not so friendly individuals even in my guild but don’t think that all of us are like this. Quite many of us are friendly and I always bow or salute any SoR or IoJ I fight in the field.

So I’m here to make it somewhat the opposite. FREE HUGS FOR ALL! :P

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Posted by: Blade.9317

Blade.9317

This lengthy match-up has probably been the most competitive I have seen so far. Sure, we won every week, but the quality of opponents was second to none and we had some epic battles. I never had a dull moment. Aside from a few loudmouthed braggarts and crybabies I have nothing but respect for our opposition. The Glicko system is working as intended, matching up relatively equal opponents. It does have a fatal flaw as some pointed out, the match gets stale after a while. We want some fresh meat for the grinder. I don’t think Anet is going to abandon the current system so we are stuck with it. If they at least let us be a different color each week so we get a different view of the world.

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Posted by: tkalamba.2541

tkalamba.2541

This lengthy match-up has probably been the most competitive I have seen so far. Sure, we won every week, but the quality of opponents was second to none and we had some epic battles. I never had a dull moment. Aside from a few loudmouthed braggarts and crybabies I have nothing but respect for our opposition. The Glicko system is working as intended, matching up relatively equal opponents. It does have a fatal flaw as some pointed out, the match gets stale after a while. We want some fresh meat for the grinder. I don’t think Anet is going to abandon the current system so we are stuck with it. If they at least let us be a different color each week so we get a different view of the world.

Well, IoJ looks like they will likely be entering T3 next week, with Tarnished Coast taking their place in T2.

This should refresh things a bit. Sure, the colours will remain the same, but a new opponent should mix it up a bit for us.

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Posted by: Kanji Maki.1695

Kanji Maki.1695

*facepalm I wake up to find our old ND-rolled our bl over night…………………………..they must like the pve door better. To bad the fun is over now for bandwagon happy ND because we logged on gg.

I understand they were still outnumbered a bit in there time but ive been fighting 1v2-1v5…since the server started at night and winning half the time.

WTB more off hour guilds that can cut it until the odds are even.

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Posted by: tkalamba.2541

tkalamba.2541

Anyone with a score update?

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Posted by: covenn.7165

covenn.7165

@Kanji -

It is what it is. It is normal for people that dislike competition or can’t handle it to bandwagon. Personally, I find it boring and lacking in challenge which is why I prefer to play with the underdogs. To each their own I guess and I suspect this was no real big loss one way or another, they certainly weren’t doing enough work off hours to make a difference anyways while on our side.

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Posted by: covenn.7165

covenn.7165

Just because some ego bloated individual tries to speak for the whole of our server, doesn’t make all of us unsportsman. Yes, I know there are some, err, not so friendly individuals even in my guild but don’t think that all of us are like this. Quite many of us are friendly and I always bow or salute any SoR or IoJ I fight in the field.

So I’m here to make it somewhat the opposite. FREE HUGS FOR ALL! :P

I like most of the rest of you and its really not fair to you all that your GM is drawing so much agro your way.

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Posted by: Blade.9317

Blade.9317

Score update brought to you by Feisty:

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Posted by: tkalamba.2541

tkalamba.2541

Score update brought to you by Feisty:

Thank you good sir.

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Posted by: Xirin.8593

Xirin.8593

Score update brought to you by Feisty:

LOL @ the gold spam in map chat =P

Thanks for the score update. Work sucks.

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Posted by: JaredKincade.9761

JaredKincade.9761

(Post by phone sorry about spelling lol)

First let me clear the air a bit. I posted a couple tongue in cheek posts thats humor didnt go over well. And i may have misunderstood a post or two i quoted (long day yesterday). Sorry for both.

Now that that is out of the way…

I see a ton of posts implying that blackgates success is only due to coverage and numbers and not skill, and therefore we dont deserve our success. There are a few things you guys aren’t realizing.

BG has worked hard to cultivate these numbers. We advo in cursed shores and LA when we push as a server. Our very skilled commanders communicate in /map and /say with the pugs to bring them into the strategy. They also make sure to lead pug groups to gold event medal after gold event medal and make sure to keep them from wiping. A few nights of this and these pugs start coming back every night because they have found out WvW is pretty fun. Eventually these guys join WvW guilds and become part of the daily battles.

Ive already mentioned how skilled BGs EB pugs are. Usually the guilds just send a handfull of commanders and a 5 man team and the skilled pugs do the lions share of the work while the power guilds work all three BLs. This does not happen by accident, it takes every night working hard to make this work.

So, after a few weeks of this what happens? Other guilds decide to join the community. And who would blame them?

Now the thread is filled with stackgate and accusations of not earning our deserved wins because of bandwagoners. This happens in the VERY same thread of posts begging, BEGGING! IOJ and SOR to merge servers to beat BG, who has built our coverage by deeds.

And when pot attempts to point out the hypocracy hes crusified.

Yes we BG posters are defensive, but with posts and attitudes like this can you really blame us?

The proof is in the pudding. Guilds are moving over because BG has a rep of solid play, despite what the forum warriors of SOR and IOJ would like you to believe.

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Posted by: covenn.7165

covenn.7165

@Jaredkincade’s wall of text:

Don’t fool yourself into thinking it has anything to do with reputation. It is called bandwagoning and it happens to every server that has success. It happened on my original server when we got to T1/T2 and it is happening to BG now.

It is both a normal and common, and BG hasn’t been exempt from it because they are doing something ‘different’ than other servers.

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Posted by: covenn.7165

covenn.7165

Regarding the rest, you can say what you will about how awesome you think you are. The truth of the matter is that if IOJ/SoR/BG had the exact same level of coverage around the clock, the weekly scores would be separated between all three by less than 10k each and every week, regardless of who the winner was.

Why? Because the skill level around the clock is fairly equal between us once you take coverage out of the equation.

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Posted by: covenn.7165

covenn.7165

I would love for some of the guild between servers to fight each other in some of the out of the way places to prove that point, but unfortunately the BG guilds seem unwilling to. Not sure why, because it would be fun for everyone

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Posted by: SirLeroyz.5820

SirLeroyz.5820

Regarding the rest, you can say what you will about how awesome you think you are. The truth of the matter is that if IOJ/SoR/BG had the exact same level of coverage around the clock, the weekly scores would be separated between all three by less than 10k each and every week, regardless of who the winner was.

Why? Because the skill level around the clock is fairly equal between us once you take coverage out of the equation.

^ this.
Honestly i’m not going to refute your strategies or discredit bg, you do an amazing job coordinating your atks and def, but the thing is the reason you guys can do so is cause you always have a zerg of players no matter what time i sign on, while my server barely has any players on the map. Honestly we wouldn’t have to have negative opinions if you guys didn’t have to act like jerks over your “number” victory, that arrogance is why i don’t have respect for some of you guys.

and please stop denying you have the number advantage, your friend jared just contradicted himself when he said “So, after a few weeks of this what happens? Other guilds decide to join the community. And who would blame them?” trying to defend it’s not a number thing.

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Posted by: Tajz.9826

Tajz.9826

SoR and IoJ have their strong and weak timezone, as same as we BG do. You guys also recruit as same as we do. We try our best to PR our server as same as yours. The fact that those people you called bandwagoner chose us because they see our potential, they see their new home. We dont call them bandwagoner just like some troll here trying to say, instead we accept them with open arms, welcoming all crew to furfil our goal.

At this rate, coverage and determination is the key factor to win the weekly matchup. You just cant slack, if you’re absent, there gotta be someone working for you. We do have some slack moment but most of our core WvW guilds pride in the server and very determined to win thus they work their kitten off overtime to cover when we’re lacking behind.

Although we seems to be competent enough to tackle with tier2 but we still need to cover many weak spots though before we’re ready to fight in tier1 again. Im look forward for TC (if they’re make it here) upcoming so that we have new face in the competition to live thing up.

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Posted by: covenn.7165

covenn.7165

The fact that those people you called bandwagoner chose us because they see our potential, they see their new home. We dont call them bandwagoner just like some troll here trying to say, instead we accept them with open arms, welcoming all crew to furfil our goal.

Seriously, what is up with calling everyone a troll you disagree with? Is that the cool thing to do?

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Posted by: JaredKincade.9761

JaredKincade.9761

Fair enough.

BG guilds are fighting other guilds. We fought all night. However, part of the rules were no forum postings on it. Which is why i wont say which guilds or who won. We had a lot of fun.

As for the rest.

You dont consider strategies of wars of attrition arent legitemate? You dont think we pull off hard pushes against SOR right when they spent three days working hard to take the lead in two separate weeks in order to ake them quit for the week? Or focus SOR when IOJ are close to passing them? These are meta strategies we pull off specifically because we are organized. We dont have a huge zerg on each map at all times. we are organized and have scouts on every map telling our zerg where to port to counter. Couple of hours of this, the enemy gives up.

These are specific strategies, not just blind numbers you seem to think they are.

Im not saying BG is number 1. We are number 4. Soon we may move up a notch, but dont dismiss our recruiting and determination as blind numbers games. Because thats just not the case

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Posted by: covenn.7165

covenn.7165

Fair enough.

BG guilds are fighting other guilds. We fought all night. However, part of the rules were no forum postings on it. Which is why i wont say which guilds or who won. We had a lot of fun.

Who in BG is doing this? I am fairly certain there are some guilds in SoR that would love to take them up on that as well. Certainly you can tell me who is participating without violating your rules by saying who won.

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Posted by: covenn.7165

covenn.7165

Im not saying BG is number 1. We are number 4. Soon we may move up a notch, but dont dismiss our recruiting and determination as blind numbers games. Because thats just not the case

Part of the problem is that few vocal people in BG like to publicly brag about the score when it doesn’t accurately reflect reality when the other servers actually have numbers online to be competitive. I would venture to say that this is what is causing you to be so defensive, well how people react to it anyways.

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