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Posted by: Dalure.4691

Dalure.4691

Dalure don’t feed the troll.

Didnt know he was one……….

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Posted by: username.4932

username.4932

Then, again, if u haven t noticed VZ is the only EU server (1 of 27) with that much number of night players, and this is the only reason they keep winning.
With a normal number of players they will be at half of the ladder, not more.

1/10 for this troll, you can do way better.

Ask old forum warriors some advices as it is really poor troll.

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Posted by: Vroum.2906

Vroum.2906

Can’t wait to get my Vizunah Spirit on this coming sunday!. Maybe we will go to SFR now tho with votf leaving.

It was interesting to watch your GvG against them last night.
Not much suspense though.

Guardian | Warrior | Elementalist on Vizunah Square

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Posted by: TheWizard.3719

TheWizard.3719

Well, it was a heavy and melting week, I think this week I died so many times as never before ;-)

GZ Viz for the win and /bow for Desolation showing a strong presence.

/Cheers

PS: What do all the Elona Players in this thread ? Expect than provocate ? You can do that next week.

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Posted by: MarzAttakz.9608

MarzAttakz.9608

Next week they’ll be back to the “holiday” excuses and we (Deso) get to play peanut gallery in their matchup thread.

YOU KNOW THERE AIN’T NO REST FOR THE WICKED, TILL WE CLOSE OUR EYES FOR GOOD.

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Posted by: Dawg.5376

Dawg.5376

Lol ilmau is such a crybaby.

“We are better then you but we lost only because <insert random excuse>, but we are better then you!”

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Posted by: Khimael.4932

Khimael.4932

Good game to you all for this week !!!

Khimael ~ Fëar Morniëo ~ Vizunah Square

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Posted by: Offski.4897

Offski.4897

The thing is we will have to focus SFR, who is weak at night (no backup they recieved seems to fill that hole, and its wide as hell ppl) In restrospective their negotiation attempts seem desperate.

<In reply to KAZ>

I think best for us (Point wise) is to be second and let VZ be a head alot that will make SFR lose most points I if i read the mechanic behind the scoring right

gg :P

So clearly a 2vs1 also this week.
Next week with ER nothing will change, we play again 2vs1.
And still a medium population server vs 2 very high population servers.
And still no night crew.

Can t i make it more obvius, the gap between how you play and how we play?!

As said hope we will never ever get a night crew.

no offense here this is just to show you the evidence..

ps, i play for fun and i had fun also if the matchup was really unfair. =)

If it makes you feel better carry on thinking it is 2vs1. Funnily enough on your own border servers are usually targeted, Deso border has been 2vs1 all week against Deso, but that is to be expected on your home border. Sadly IRON has had to leave this border as we cannot get the full guild into it anymore.

In some hours you outman us and visa versa, so I am confused about the excuse medium server has to do with anything, did you make this excuse last week when you were the number one server?

It is a real shame that guilds are jumping ship from a tier 1 server, especially as the Sfr community has worked so hard to get where you are.

I appreciate the frustation with the loss of points at night and waking to blue tier 3/full supply maps. But it is something that has to be dealt with, Vizunah knows where their strength lies, and uses this to maximum advantage.

The only way to compete at night is to get a strong NA guild into your server which is unlikely to happen. It would also upset the Viz immensely ofcourse

Anyway we on Deso have done good, two weeks at no2 but still falling a tier. But we’ll be back.

Offski
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Posted by: Wolfheart.1938

Wolfheart.1938

Someone from Vizunah reading the thread tell me, why’d take you so much ( 20 min ) to retake the supply camp near your spawn in SFR borderlands? XD ’t was only me and two friends of mine, yet we wiped the floor with you guys ’till the bigger zerg came, lol. Some of you should fight more players and less doors, ahem.

[KAZ] guys however have been destroying me and our non-guild zergs for the longest time now. You and your clutch shelters are scary

“We have no first-person view because stupid people would lock into it”
“You can’t have more than 10 HS decks because that would confuse people”
“30 fps is more cinematic”

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Posted by: username.4932

username.4932

What a big third arm Wolfheart, congrats we are all impressed and jealous. You’re so outrageously strong and gifted, indecent !

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Posted by: Alk.4698

Alk.4698

Guys, whatever you say here about that it’s not correct to say about jetlags in WvW, it is not right. Jetlags do matter. We on SfR mostly live in GMT+3 – GMT+5, and primetime for Europe starts later at night, when most of Russian players go to sleep. That automatically makes night results last until our evening.
The situation also would look different if a new week started from Sunday to Monday, as on the weekend we are more comfortable in terms of playing until late. Such a change (if introduced by Arena.net) would help to negate jetlag influence to some degree.

drodel
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Posted by: Wolfheart.1938

Wolfheart.1938

What a big third arm Wolfheart, congrats we are all impressed and jealous. You’re so outrageously strong and gifted, indecent !

Thanks! But it’s not really about how big my third arm is (it’s not really big), but about how little is yours (it’s really small!). After all, we’ve been taking in so much trolling it’s my right to give some back But let’s just end it here or a mod will ( rightfully so ) close the thread.
P.s. it’s usually called third leg, not arm.

Bickering aside, I gotta give Viz props for how well organized they are. They might not be the best small scale fighters, but they’re still dominant in T1 and WvW it’s not really about small scale fights anyways

“We have no first-person view because stupid people would lock into it”
“You can’t have more than 10 HS decks because that would confuse people”
“30 fps is more cinematic”

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Posted by: Qwixx.5923

Qwixx.5923

You know they cant do anything without a 50 man zerg with them lol! Give em a break dude

I remember your first weeks, you couldn’t do anything without a monozerg 60+.
And now that your main zergs have left your server or took a break, where are you ?

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Posted by: ilmau.9781

ilmau.9781

guys really, i m not trolling…

but if u go on be provocating i ll will always risp you with some solid facts.
Since i m still waiting to be contraddicted about what i wrote in previus pages.

And then i haven t started any single thread by myself, i just resp at some sort of provocation i see there, and around.

As i said, learn education and stop trolling then i will stop to.

otherwise try convince me this below aren t provocation:

viz if u want seafarers 3rd can u stop focusing us then , thx. =D

Ok lets do this ! You asked so nicely.

Tssss

The thing is we will have to focus SFR, who is weak at night (no backup they recieved seems to fill that hole, and its wide as hell ppl) In restrospective their negotiation attempts seem desperate.

I think best for us (Point wise) is to be second and let VZ be a head alot that will make SFR lose most points I if i read the mechanic behind the scoring right

Gratz to Vizu for just another overwhelming (and opponent silencing ) victory in EU-T1 !!
Fighter for Elona Reach

and much more like this. So if u came to me asking to sto trolling you also should go to them and tell the same thing, Since mine was only answers.

[Hell] Kresh Bloodghast
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Posted by: ilmau.9781

ilmau.9781

FYI, you’ll not get a nightcrew as long as you’ll expect people from over timezones to give you the victory.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/SoR-Welcoming-Europeans-Asians-Oceanics/first#post1284866

go write in this post they should have only US players, i really would like to read the answers =)

also, based on your opinion, where the asians should play?
since they don t have dedicated servers.

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Posted by: MarzAttakz.9608

MarzAttakz.9608

And what happened the last time GC decided to post in a NA recruitment thread on gw2guru? I’ll tell you, a crapload of yanks transferred to SFR to help out their PRX Brothers.

There’s enough crap stirring going on at the moment, is it really beneficial to stir it up even more?

YOU KNOW THERE AIN’T NO REST FOR THE WICKED, TILL WE CLOSE OUR EYES FOR GOOD.

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Posted by: TheWizard.3719

TheWizard.3719

I remember your first weeks, you couldn’t do anything without a monozerg 60+.
And now that your main zergs have left your server or took a break, where are you ?

U really belive what u you are writing ?

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Posted by: I Deschain I.4623

I Deschain I.4623

guys really, i m not trolling…

but if u go on be provocating i ll will always risp you with some solid facts.
Since i m still waiting to be contraddicted about what i wrote in previus pages.

And then i haven t started any single thread by myself, i just resp at some sort of provocation i see there, and around.

As i said, learn education and stop trolling then i will stop to.

otherwise try convince me this below aren t provocation:

Solid Facts? Please give me an official statement by Anet that server population == WvW population. Please give me any official statement from both VS and ER that they agreed to a 2vs1 against SFR. What you wrote here was just your opinion and a guess and not a ‘solid fact’.
Anyway, thank you in advance.

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Retired.

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Posted by: Junkpile.7439

Junkpile.7439

Next match will be more boring than German football.

Low quality trolling since launch
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Posted by: ilmau.9781

ilmau.9781

Solid Facts? Please give me an official statement by Anet that server population == WvW population.

i have some friends on VZ server, he keep telling me that at 18pm they have 1,5 hours kittenor www…. won t think at how long it takes to log at full prime time… anyway we have no kittenather than 15/30 mins for 1-2 hours at day.

Said so there is don t need for ANET to give statement to understand that very high = more ppl in www. ^^"

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Posted by: TatsuKan.5412

TatsuKan.5412

Solid Facts? Please give me an official statement by Anet that server population == WvW population.

i have some friends on VZ server, he keep telling me that at 18pm they have 1,5 hours kittenor www…. won t think at how long it takes to log at full prime time… anyway we have no kittenather than 15/30 mins for 1-2 hours at day.

Said so there is don t need for ANET to give statement to understand that very high = more ppl in www. ^^"

At 18pm, there is no queue on Vizunah… Except on Eternal Battleground…
& very high = more ppl in pve…

[CPC] [Vizunah Square] – Nantes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantes)

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Posted by: Dawg.5376

Dawg.5376

Solid Facts? Please give me an official statement by Anet that server population == WvW population.

i have some friends on VZ server, he keep telling me that at 18pm they have 1,5 hours kittenor www…. won t think at how long it takes to log at full prime time… anyway we have no kittenather than 15/30 mins for 1-2 hours at day.

Said so there is don t need for ANET to give statement to understand that very high = more ppl in www. ^^"

solid facts for ilmau : “i know a guy who said…”

ok.

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Posted by: Scryar.2954

Scryar.2954

Solid Facts? Please give me an official statement by Anet that server population == WvW population.

Said so there is don t need for ANET to give statement to understand that very high = more ppl in www. ^^"

Blacktide=very high
Current score: 49.706, ticking with 35 points = almost nobody in wvsw

There are a few very high/full servers in the lower tiers. Do you really think these servers have a higher wvsw population then sfr? (just a hint, higher tier=higher wvsw/offtime population)

we on elona are a very high/full server and have during primetime 20-30 min queues for all maps except the eternals. Sounds very similar to your server.

Maybe someday sfr people will understand that server population has nothing to do with wvsw population.

WvsW smallscale & tpvp
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Posted by: Junkpile.7439

Junkpile.7439

Well viz have short queues in prime time because night and worktime cappers need to sleep too.

Low quality trolling since launch
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Posted by: FrouFrou.4958

FrouFrou.4958

This is how we roll in Desolation.
http://i47.tinypic.com/2wqc2sn.jpg

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Posted by: ilmau.9781

ilmau.9781

This is how we roll in Desolation.
http://i47.tinypic.com/2wqc2sn.jpg

hehehe it happen! i also like Jp a lot and if u guys aint pushind us very hard i like to get down here

btw i went just 1 time this week, that s mean u were pushing a lot

anyway, VZ just saved ur SM attacking us at Klovan, Golanta ad Jennifer while we were at ur Lord room, at last thanks em =)

talking about 2vs1 i really dunno why didn t went to Ogrewatch since u were lot busy too in SM too… boooooh.

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Posted by: MarzAttakz.9608

MarzAttakz.9608

This is how we roll in Desolation.
http://i47.tinypic.com/2wqc2sn.jpg

Too much “too legit, too legit to quit” and not enough “stop, hammer time”. That’s rather embarrassing though.

YOU KNOW THERE AIN’T NO REST FOR THE WICKED, TILL WE CLOSE OUR EYES FOR GOOD.

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Posted by: Jaghen.8314

Jaghen.8314

Viz has short queues because there are not that many WvWers anymore. Those who play at night don’t sleep in the evening… they sleep in the morning.

SFR trolls will always refer to serv pop – and unnatural alliances – as it makes them feel better, as much in victory as in defeat. Nothing to be done here really.

As i said, learn education and stop trolling then i will stop to.

otherwise try convince me this below aren t provocation:

Gratz to Vizu for just another overwhelming (and opponent silencing ) victory in EU-T1 !!
Fighter for Elona Reach

Is there any better way to end a post than with a good laugh ?

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Posted by: ilmau.9781

ilmau.9781

VZ now prevent us from going to SM , that is owned by Deso atm and with inner and outer opened, by camping outside Lowland exits.

Mumble mumble, is it like they are defening the German castle?

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Posted by: Yaro.3251

Yaro.3251

This is how we roll in Desolation.
http://i47.tinypic.com/2wqc2sn.jpg

Awww, a photo of nursery full of newborn commanders ^_^

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Posted by: Toubzsky.6087

Toubzsky.6087

VZ now prevent us from going to SM , that is owned by Deso atm and with inner and outer opened, by camping outside Lowland exits.

Mumble mumble, is it like they are defening the German castle?

Ask your spy, oh wait… your friends, they will tell you.

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Posted by: Mortix.9725

Mortix.9725

reading comments left here people would get the idea that SFR is the only server with exclusively PVP players while all other servers have a large PVE community.
fact is,more players you have on a server,bigger the pool for recruiting new players for your guild is.
why anyone would feel there’s a larger % of PVE players on server A as opposed to server B is beyond me.
i guess SFR is immune to PVE,that’s the only conclusion i can get from reading this thread.

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Posted by: Dayra.7405

Dayra.7405

You already have a German Castle in T1?
I fear you are 6.5hours to early with your post.

PS: There is currently a good way to decide if a castle belongs to Elona or not:
If it has rams on the Wall it belongs to Elona, if not someone else must be the owner, as we currently have a WvW-achievement (Use many supplies) oriented group on Elona that likes to do such things.

Ceterum censeo SFR esse delendam!

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Posted by: I Deschain I.4623

I Deschain I.4623

You already have a German Castle in T1?
I fear you are 6.5hours to early with your post.

Well he already knows that ER und VS gonna doubleteam on SFR, although they don’t know a thing about it. I think he’s from the future!

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Posted by: Yaro.3251

Yaro.3251

PS: There is currently a good way to decide if a castle belongs to Elona or not:
If it has rams on the Wall it belongs to Elona, if not someone else must be the owner, as we currently have a WvW-achievement (Use many supplies) oriented group on Elona that likes to do such things.

Jokes aside, decoy siege/building sites is tactic that can make difference when used properly.
“Hey, we destroyed that mortar and now they have a building site for it again but it’s all good, it’s barely built. Let’s build our trebs now….”
BAM!
“WTH, where did that came from?!”

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Posted by: Dayra.7405

Dayra.7405

PS: There is currently a good way to decide if a castle belongs to Elona or not:
If it has rams on the Wall it belongs to Elona, if not someone else must be the owner, as we currently have a WvW-achievement (Use many supplies) oriented group on Elona that likes to do such things.

Jokes aside

Unfortunately this is NOT a joke. This is reality: http://i.imgur.com/4hx5rvx.jpg

And we have a thread with around 600 posts about that in the german forum:
https://forum-de.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Verschwendung-von-Vorr-ten-oder-andere-Spielweise
News of the day is: ANet represented by the german community manager support such “different WvW-play styles” and wishes us a friendly and joyful coexistence.

Ceterum censeo SFR esse delendam!

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Posted by: Thimill.9162

Thimill.9162

They told me “Ok stay to scout and tell us if enemy are coming !”
This guys came friendly !

So when they ask to me if everything was clear, i said “Yes ! It’s ok, juste some friends.”
And SFR took garrison…

Hmmm, i maybe did a mistake. :O

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Posted by: Vroum.2906

Vroum.2906

So you’re the mole we were looking for…
There will be some rotten Quaggan soon.

Guardian | Warrior | Elementalist on Vizunah Square

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Posted by: Thimill.9162

Thimill.9162

There will be some rotten Quaggan soon.

We stay french !

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Posted by: Shinzui.3861

Shinzui.3861

Hi Everyone,
Its just sad to watch this forum drama and arguing who have smallest Pe*** (:
Anyways, I wanted to say thx to enemy forces on Vizunah borderland witch standed against GT during our WWW events, Deso Alliance Forces who where holding they’r ground on different borderlands and especially thou’s guild’s who were fighting whit us on Vizunas borderland TEQ, DkR, ThUn, IRON, GH and others if I missed u :P
Remember guys, we make this game enjoyable as far as we want to see it enjoyable.
Regards,
Commanding Officer [GT]Shinzuii

Commanding Officer of Evil Squad [GT]

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Posted by: Braindrops.6428

Braindrops.6428

They told me “Ok stay to scout and tell us if enemy are coming !”
This guys came friendly !
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/c3dd135c-6252-4598-8096-67a5fee92a37.jpg

So when they ask to me if everything was clear, i said “Yes ! It’s ok, juste some friends.”
And SFR took garrison…

Hmmm, i maybe did a mistake. :O

I can’t load the image. Post it somewhere else where everyone can see it pls

Ok now works
Coooooooo!

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Posted by: Yaro.3251

Yaro.3251

They told me “Ok stay to scout and tell us if enemy are coming !”

Did you answer properly so they knew from the get go they can count on you? Like “OOooooOoollrightie, quaggan’s on duty!”

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Posted by: Motìerre.8521

Motìerre.8521

Maybe one day you will understand that server population =|= WvW population and that there is no automatically 2vs1.

Not true at all. Ofc VS, ER and Desolation have more PvE players but a part of this ppl also play WvW (sometimes). Out of prime time – SFR was outnumbered in 5 of 10 situations in this week (for example: 3 VS-Zergs on SFR BL).

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Posted by: Fanfaron.6109

Fanfaron.6109

simple put it here, some GvG fights vs [GH]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWy7yHRGm5o&feature=player_detailpage

good fight GH!

[ZDs] Fanfaron, fieldcommander

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Posted by: Yaro.3251

Yaro.3251

simple put it here, some GvG fights vs [GH]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWy7yHRGm5o&feature=player_detailpage
good fight GH!

Quality turtle trolling at 2:10 lol

Cheers

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Posted by: Neutro.3079

Neutro.3079

Good times on EBG tonight, sorry for your 10 golem fail rush SR ^^

And who is that suicide commander of IRON guild?

PS to Deso : you could had 2 free SR tower while we were holding them at their keep, and yet you chose to attack Durios. So we came back and wiped you. But I still don’t understand why Durios ^^

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Posted by: Angelyne.2936

Angelyne.2936

Bye bye Deso, see you soon. This week will be boring, ER will collapse midweek and that will becoming an SFR v VS fight … :/

So, see you on next week

Angelyne – Guild Leader for Metatrone – Vizunah Square [Fr] on EU Ladder