Guild Wars 2

ZvZ is mindless and boring, maps are stale, strategy nonexistent, there’s nothing but kitten thieves to fight when you roam, and there’s absolutely no rewards of playing WvW. I think I’ll go practice wall climbing now and troll like thieves, or maybe I’ll just stay out of WvW until it actually gets fixed.

ExZee.8109:

ZvZ is mindless and boring, maps are stale, strategy nonexistent, there’s nothing but kitten thieves to fight when you roam, and there’s absolutely no rewards of playing WvW. I think I’ll go practice wall climbing now and troll like thieves, or maybe I’ll just stay out of WvW until it actually gets fixed.

I agree with ya on some points. They will fix WvW, its already been stated whats in the works.

In the mean time just do it to hone your skills. I cant believe you perfected whatever you class you are so you are unbeatable vs other players.

I don’t think they will fix WvW.

Mindless and boring? Strategy nonexistent? I don’t think you’re playing the same WvW I’m playing. If you’re roaming, there isn’t much decision on where to go and what impact to make but as soon as you get in the 5+ range with a group, there’s a lot of decisions and strategy to be made.

lol mindless and boring?

sure eternal got pugs problem and lack of commanders because its hard for ppls to listen but other maps are fun as hell you should check out some movies maybe on some seriusly nice fights sieges.

a commander must be 3 steps ahead of his enemy all the time.

Pretty much agree with everyone disagreeing with OP. If you are just zerging around, you’re doing it wrong and you’re probably on a lower tier server.

Come to Yak’s Bend and we shall teach you.

Find a good active WvW guild/server, get in vent/mumble/teamspeak, talk and party up with others and I can guarantee WvW will change for you instantly.

I spent my noob career zerging around with randoms like everyone else learning the ropes and I can totally see where you’re frustrations lie. I did get bored…and I did get frustrated. The second i joined a good, active WvW guild with voice comm. everything changed, I havent left WvW since and am having a blast every time i log on – win or lose.

Does WvW need more features and tweaking? Absolutely!! Can’t disagree with you there. But make the most of what you got when you log on, and if it feels like its becoming a chore – take a break.

People keep complaining about Thieves and culling. Sure they individually are annoying little buggers.

But its a much bigger issue in the actual fights. Where WvW guilds fight by abusing the issue as much as possible. hrowing up veils and portal bombing.
Basicly keeping a whole zerg invisible, and causing massive skill delay in the defender, and i say defender in the loosest sense because there is kitten all you can do against an invisible zerg while also having a 4sec skill delay.

Skill delay is probably because you (the defender) have to deal with both the combat and the rendering if the enemy. And the attacker, only has to deal with the combat. So their abilities dont have as much delay, or any at all.

So it comes down to, whoever cullbombs the other zerg wins. And that is an aweful situation where abusing the faults of the game engine to basicly make the game unplayable for your enemy is the strategy to win. And i find that far worst then some Thief that stays invisible a little to long as he tears a lone player a new one, because thats not a game changer.

WOW. Honestly I came in here expecting the typical “k thx for rage post cya bye” but at least people agree there are serious problems in WvW.

ZvZ is only fun when only certain conditions are met. 1. Your zerg is on par with the size of the enemy zerg (because most of the time my server always seem to lack in numbers) 2. The commander knows what he’s doing (which is maybe 1 out of 20 commanders at this point) and 3. The commander’s actually going to take SM or something instead of karma farm or play cat and mouse.

Even when all conditions are met, I simply don’t find massive battles to be fun. Sure, this is fun to do sometimes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uxOGyC77c0) but all the most intense moments in WvW, for me anyway, have come from doing things like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0X4Tr8uUfA). How to ruin that for me? A bunch of thieves with perma-culling-stealth that does 4k backstab 4k steal and 6k heartseeker before I can even use tab to target him. Severely an issue of Counter-Play (http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/counter-play).

WvW can be fun, if the conditions above are met, but that shouldn’t be the case. It should be fun most of the time (all of the time is a bit too much to expect).

I think it’s alright, needs some improvement and a better motivation to play. Those bonusses are worthless and I doubt people even pay attention to them. Last time I checked what the bonusses my server was giving me for WvW was in september. Give a reward that makes you want to get it, one that isn’t super exclusive to get like legendaries and don’t make them imbalance WvW. I can’t really think of anything right now, but hey it’s not my job to do so.

We will see what they do for the february patch, but I hope it’s good. Because a patch this big can make or break the game instantly… (for me it sounds more logical to do 1 small patch every month, rather than 1 giant one after 6 months). If people hate the patch, then ANET’s work of the last 6 months was just a waste of time and a lot of money.

So I hope they know what they’re doing. They keep doing things (or do nothing) that makes me doubt them more and more over time.

Dang it. We’ve lost another valuable WvW resource in Player X. I quit too.

I agree, pretty much quit till WvW is fixed.
Culling and reward system (yup im one of those guys that doesnt see a point to contributing if enemy will abuse a system to win unless I am given something to do it for). Let alone roaming and dyeing to something you dont even see.
Then again one game is going free to play soon so I might try that till WvW gets fixed. :P

ExZee.8109:

ZvZ is mindless and boring, maps are stale, strategy nonexistent, there’s nothing but kitten thieves to fight when you roam, and there’s absolutely no rewards of playing WvW. I think I’ll go practice wall climbing now and troll like thieves, or maybe I’ll just stay out of WvW until it actually gets fixed.

This made me laugh xD

Anet cannot fix Zerging because zerging is not a program that the devs can just change/remove… sometimes zerging may look stupid if you’re not on a guild, party, or teamspeak… If you can’t stand zerging go do sPvP and lets see if you enjoy that more… and also a tip for roaming DON’T GO SOLO <— tis if you don’t wanna get ganked by thieves.

ExZee.8109:

ZvZ is mindless and boring, maps are stale, strategy nonexistent, there’s nothing but kitten thieves to fight when you roam, and there’s absolutely no rewards of playing WvW. I think I’ll go practice wall climbing now and troll like thieves, or maybe I’ll just stay out of WvW until it actually gets fixed.

Mindless zerging is dull, but if you have a good commander, there is a ton of strategy (e.g., block an enemy force’s escape and push them against a tower wall to finish them off), lots of moves to hide your intent from the enemy, and lots of good fights.

I also have fun going solo to kill yaks. And I’ve had fun with a small group that camped out in a supply depot, built a lot of siege, and held off a superior force for over an hour.

Maybe it’s a tier issue? My server has been in tier 2 for quite awhile.

Most of the time Strategy in W3 is nothing more then smoke and mirrors..You can have all the strategy in the world in W3, but if ya don’t have Coverage you’ll lose. ..That’s the ropes.. Very little can be done to fix that either without punishing the players which they should never do.

I have been playing WvW a long time now. If you have a good guild or group and the servers are balanced it is all about strategy and tactics. It can be incredibly fun.

If the servers are not similar in WvW in population — one is either dominating or one is not participating — then it becomes more about zerging and it is no longer fun. Ironically it is not fun for anyone; neither the server that always wins nor the one that never does.