I primarily PvE but I still don’t see the actions over the last year as reasonable attempts to make ascended items fairly available to WvW players. I don’t care what you’d like to do, I only care about what you actually do.
Speaking as someone who has only gotten Ascended gear via WvW vendors, I’d say that’s nonsense. Speaking as a developer, we are continuing to make this better, which is not to say perfect. There will be more ways to acquire the ascended mats as part of the season and we will look into adding yet additional ways after that.
Oh, so you’ve gotten an ascended back piece from WvW? I’d like to know how…..
WvWvW is a fusion of PvP and PvE. It’s a game of number AND tactics. If you aren’t complaining about gear grind you are going too(already have actually) complain about something else. If you want ready to play characters then go SPvP, don’t want to because it lacks the customizations WvWvW has to offer? then go complain to make sPvP more customizable. WvWvW is not meant to be a larger SPvP, I keep hearing people say that the Dev’s stated there would be no gear grind before release, however I have yet to see anyone produce a screenshot, link, or video of such. I asssume most people are just misquoting or misinterpreting things.
I take it you haven’t read any thread related to As gear, then. You’ll even find one such quote on a thread participant’s signature. So you might want to read the thread in its entirety, as well.
I’m also curious as to what SPvP map allows dozens and dozens of players to duke it out in a giant, open battlefield over castles and keeps. Could you give me some directions?
There will be more ways to acquire the ascended mats as part of the season and we will look into adding yet additional ways after that.
I’m guessing you will still expect us to sit around crafting items instead of playing WvW before getting an As weapon, correct? Because that doesn’t sound too exciting, as opposed to using all those Badges of Honor that are piling up after killing people and taking keeps and doing active victory related stuff.
I primarily PvE but I still don’t see the actions over the last year as reasonable attempts to make ascended items fairly available to WvW players. I don’t care what you’d like to do, I only care about what you actually do.
Speaking as someone who has only gotten Ascended gear via WvW vendors, I’d say that’s nonsense. Speaking as a developer, we are continuing to make this better, which is not to say perfect. There will be more ways to acquire the ascended mats as part of the season and we will look into adding yet additional ways after that.
Any chance that we will see Dire armor from the WvW vendors?
I’m going to have to say no on this. Anyone can get ascended gear if they grind for it. It’s your choice if you choose not to. The only reason to get ascended gear anyway for most people is so you’ll be stronger in WvW. There would hardly be a reason to get it if all you do is PvE as that’s easy enough already. Keep spvp in spvp where it belongs. I like the way things are now.
In the Manifesto and their prelaunch press they said that there would be no gear grind. Any grinding would be for long term and impressive cosmetic improvements.
Your comment shows the WOW mindset they said they would free us of.
I vote yes.
Until such time as normal WvW play is going to give players Ascended items.
We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional
Doing so would invalidate the time people spend acquiring that gear. I think the heart of your post is in the right place, but what we would rather do is make possible for people to get the gear by playing WvW with a sprinkling of PvE, rather than the other way around.
Why should I have to take up crafting to have an Ascended weapon?
Crafting is neither pvp or pve but pvb… player versus boredom.
We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional
I take it you haven’t read any thread related to As gear, then. You’ll even find one such quote on a thread participant’s signature. So you might want to read the thread in its entirety, as well.
I’m also curious as to what SPvP map allows dozens and dozens of players to duke it out in a giant, open battlefield over castles and keeps. Could you give me some directions?
There will be more ways to acquire the ascended mats as part of the season and we will look into adding yet additional ways after that.
I’m guessing you will still expect us to sit around crafting items instead of playing WvW before getting an As weapon, correct? Because that doesn’t sound too exciting, as opposed to using all those Badges of Honor that are piling up after killing people and taking keeps and doing active victory related stuff.
I haven’t read any thread on gearing since As came out, but before then the same complaint was made against Exotic gear, no video, no links, no screenshots provided. I read the manifesto, nothing to the effects of what people are claiming, when I brought it up no one pointed out to me where I missed the part where they said that there are absolutely no gear grind requirement. I do believe it when people say Dev’s told them that if you didn’t want to grind for gear you could chose not too, that option is called SPvP. As for directions, it’s non-existent, just like a open world full on pvp that I want. I WvW because it’s the closest thing to it I can have until another game comes out.
Yes This ascended garbage is a kick in the kitten to anyone who doesn’t PVE for a living. And those of us who have multiple alts, and multiple builds per alt, are really left out to hang.
I haven’t read any thread on gearing since As came out, but before then the same complaint was made against Exotic gear, no video, no links, no screenshots provided.
Then I suggest you read them, before saying people haven’t presented evidence. But…
I read the manifesto, nothing to the effects of what people are claiming, when I brought it up no one pointed out to me where I missed the part where they said that there are absolutely no gear grind requirement.
If you’re going to say “lol that’s not what they said” then there’s no point in arguing that the sky is blue to someone who insists it’s red.
A pure PvE player can get Ascended trinkets, weapons, and soon to be armor MUCH faster then a pure WvW player.
So those that PvE to get the items, can then jump into WvW and be better geared then someone who has dedicated themselves to the gamemode?? Not equal which is fine… but BETTER?
This is just stupid. Devon probably doesnt get a choice in this… but even he has got to know how stupid this idea is. It forced real RvR players away from WoW and it has forced MOST real WvW players away from GW2 already. We are left with the people that love the GW2 game sticking it out while getting punched in the nose repeatedly by the devs.
Its not long before we get sick of it too. And wvw will be nothing but PvD with zergs waving as they pass by eacho… oh wait… ITS ALREADY HAPPENING!
Please get your priorities straight Anet.
Stat increase = gear grind.
Gear grind = no money from me ever again.
Speaking as someone who has only gotten Ascended gear via WvW vendors, I’d say that’s nonsense. Speaking as a developer, we are continuing to make this better, which is not to say perfect. There will be more ways to acquire the ascended mats as part of the season and we will look into adding yet additional ways after that.
heard it here first folks, crafting is the only way to get ascended gear!
speaking as a customer, that’s nonsense and bad business.
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Have updated the vote tally. It is continually hovering around 50/50.
I am quite surprised actually, given that the Bloodlust vote is more like 80/20. I had thought that people would be equally concerned with what is essentially just a stat increase for a segment of the population.
Doing so would invalidate the time people spend acquiring that gear. I think the heart of your post is in the right place, but what we would rather do is make possible for people to get the gear by playing WvW with a sprinkling of PvE, rather than the other way around.
Putting ascended weapons in the game at all invalidates the ~2 years prior to launch when I was telling everyone who would listen that Guild Wars 2 really was going to be a different kind of MMO.
The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real.
No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
A pure PvE player can get Ascended trinkets, weapons, and soon to be armor MUCH faster then a pure WvW player.
So those that PvE to get the items, can then jump into WvW and be better geared then someone who has dedicated themselves to the gamemode?? Not equal which is fine… but BETTER?
This is just stupid. Devon probably doesnt get a choice in this… but even he has got to know how stupid this idea is. It forced real RvR players away from WoW and it has forced MOST real WvW players away from GW2 already. We are left with the people that love the GW2 game sticking it out while getting punched in the nose repeatedly by the devs.
You’ve got a lot of wrong things in that post.
A pure pve player will be able to get ascended weapons faster, but by definition he will not have the desire to wvw, so thats irrelevant. If he decides to, he will have a small advantage in gear, and a large disadvantage of lack of experience, knowledge, and practice time. You should not be rewarded for being dedicated to only playing one part of the game. The reward should be the experience of playing your favorite part of the game.
Also, RvR players didn’t leave WoW because of the gear grind, they left it because it was a pve game and only had 2 realms.
Dear Devon,
I know why this topic started. Yes there will be a problem with ascended for WvW players.
-In new update Tequatl will have small chance to drop Ascended weapon.
-PvE events are much easier than WvW events(or You think Aurora Glade have some chance against Viz?) and mostly because not balanced matchups so at least 1 server is stomped and cannot capture keep every 30 minutes. They do it hopefully once a day but what the rest of players who join for hours or two?
-Crafting Ascended is too expensive for WvW player, because there is no loot worth it. As a defender you get nothing. You wil lstand on wall for 1 hour. Then you will see 50 enemies so you will call for help. You will man the AC there. But cannot kill anyone because they will just dodge from the aoe.Your group of 50 players will come. You will join them and together you will destroy enemy zerg. Luckilly you will have 10 loot bags containing blue, if not so lucky you will get Queen Commendations.
-On the other side your zerg will come to map and start attacking. You will se on ly 10 defenders and with golem rush you are happy you tagged at least 3. 3 loot bags, but at least you got some loot from NPCs and Champion bag, which will give you some ore. But wait, how many ores I can get every day? And why are not defenders trying to get keep back while we sit in there? Oh yeah, outnumbered.
While I understand this topic, I dont agree with it. We need better rewards in WvW. Prices on Tp have increased in crazy way, but loot in WvW decreased. And mayn events like defending will give you no loot with exotic chance for rare item.
Doing so would invalidate the time people spend acquiring that gear. I think the heart of your post is in the right place, but what we would rather do is make possible for people to get the gear by playing WvW with a sprinkling of PvE, rather than the other way around.
Exactly. I worked kitten my ele to get ascended by doing dailies and monthlies. Any reversion would greatly upset a large number of folk that worked hard in WvW for ntheir gear.
On a side note , increase the drop rate of precursors in WvW from player kills or chests.
Fuzzionx[SF]
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Also, let’s downscale Exotic to rare because that’s unfair. Don’t stop there? Ok, next let’s downscale rare to masterwork because those are cheaper! Still too much grind? Ok, I’ll take those masterworks down to Fine.
Not everyone can afford ascended items. Exotics are easily obtainable. Your logic is completely flawed.
Yes. I do want ascended downscaled.
Not everyone can afford Exotics. Downscale them too
Who can’t afford exotics? Can easily buy a set with badges/tokens. Please tell me.
Doing so would invalidate the time people spend acquiring that gear. I think the heart of your post is in the right place, but what we would rather do is make possible for people to get the gear by playing WvW with a sprinkling of PvE, rather than the other way around.
Or do you mean get gear with PVE with a sprinkling of WvW? Prove me wrong, I beg you. This is the update which disappointed me the most.
Also, let’s downscale Exotic to rare because that’s unfair. Don’t stop there? Ok, next let’s downscale rare to masterwork because those are cheaper! Still too much grind? Ok, I’ll take those masterworks down to Fine.
Not everyone can afford ascended items. Exotics are easily obtainable. Your logic is completely flawed.
Yes. I do want ascended downscaled.
Not everyone can afford Exotics. Downscale them too
Who can’t afford exotics? Can easily buy a set with badges/tokens. Please tell me.
And I can easily get ascended. It really isn’t that hard and doesn’t take that long. No reason that you can’t either. Even if you do have to craft it, it doesn’t take that long.
I speak for my self and no one else. Only fools believe they speak for a majority.
Doing so would invalidate the time people spend acquiring that gear. I think the heart of your post is in the right place, but what we would rather do is make possible for people to get the gear by playing WvW with a sprinkling of PvE, rather than the other way around.
So… crafting from 0-500… that’s a sprinkling?
“We don’t want you to have to grind to get to the good stuff. We want a sprinkling of grind to get to the good stuff. " That’s what the manifesto says, right?
The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real.
No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
Also, let’s downscale Exotic to rare because that’s unfair. Don’t stop there? Ok, next let’s downscale rare to masterwork because those are cheaper! Still too much grind? Ok, I’ll take those masterworks down to Fine.
Not everyone can afford ascended items. Exotics are easily obtainable. Your logic is completely flawed.
Yes. I do want ascended downscaled.
Not everyone can afford Exotics. Downscale them too
Who can’t afford exotics? Can easily buy a set with badges/tokens. Please tell me.
And I can easily get ascended. It really isn’t that hard and doesn’t take very long. No reason that you can’t either. Even if you do have to craft it, it doesn’t take that long.
Is that because your crafting was already at 400?
The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real.
No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
Also, let’s downscale Exotic to rare because that’s unfair. Don’t stop there? Ok, next let’s downscale rare to masterwork because those are cheaper! Still too much grind? Ok, I’ll take those masterworks down to Fine.
Not everyone can afford ascended items. Exotics are easily obtainable. Your logic is completely flawed.
Yes. I do want ascended downscaled.
Not everyone can afford Exotics. Downscale them too
Who can’t afford exotics? Can easily buy a set with badges/tokens. Please tell me.
And I can easily get ascended. It really isn’t that hard and doesn’t take very long. No reason that you can’t either. Even if you do have to craft it, it doesn’t take that long.
Is that because your crafting was already at 400?
Play preference. I like to have one character that can craft everything that one character is allowed. I learned that it can be really handy to have a character capable of doing that.
Not my problem if people don’t care to do the same. It is really easy.
Getting a full set of weapons will take a bit of time for me, but it isn’t going to take that long. Just need to gather the mats and with some champ farm, can buy them also. Not my problem if people don’t want to do PvE. Sometimes you have to do stuff that you don’t care to do to get what you want. I have not played a game that didn’t have this issue, always there is some quest, objective that I just detested but if I wanted what I wanted, I had to do what needed to be done.
I already had the trinkets. I’m hoping to see some interesting infusions so I’m actually excited to see ascended. Like all games though, it probably won’t live up to expectations but I don’t really care that much. Not like I have go get a full set every 6 months just to play new content, excluding fractals, and I may do some of these a bit more(I don’t care for some dungeons in there though.)
I speak for my self and no one else. Only fools believe they speak for a majority.
Speaking as someone who has only gotten Ascended gear via WvW vendors, I’d say that’s nonsense.
I have / had at least 500 hours played since the laurel vendor update, and have exactly 3 ascended trinkets after doing the dailies and monthlies that I really have no interest in completing. You’ve already stated there’s “no chance” that ascended gear will get the stat selection system legendaries now have, so obtaining them is purely an exercise in pointless treadmill grind that’s been put in place to supposedly keep players interested.
Until the entire philosophy of gear grind changes, there’s no hope of this format being anything but PvE with different scenery and an occasional, probably terribly lopsided player battle.
Also, let’s downscale Exotic to rare because that’s unfair. Don’t stop there? Ok, next let’s downscale rare to masterwork because those are cheaper! Still too much grind? Ok, I’ll take those masterworks down to Fine.
Not everyone can afford ascended items. Exotics are easily obtainable. Your logic is completely flawed.
Yes. I do want ascended downscaled.
Not everyone can afford Exotics. Downscale them too
Who can’t afford exotics? Can easily buy a set with badges/tokens. Please tell me.
And I can easily get ascended. It really isn’t that hard and doesn’t take very long. No reason that you can’t either. Even if you do have to craft it, it doesn’t take that long.
Is that because your crafting was already at 400?
200g to level to 500. 50g to craft 1 weapon. I can’t equip all my 5 80s.
Also, let’s downscale Exotic to rare because that’s unfair. Don’t stop there? Ok, next let’s downscale rare to masterwork because those are cheaper! Still too much grind? Ok, I’ll take those masterworks down to Fine.
Not everyone can afford ascended items. Exotics are easily obtainable. Your logic is completely flawed.
Yes. I do want ascended downscaled.
Not everyone can afford Exotics. Downscale them too
Who can’t afford exotics? Can easily buy a set with badges/tokens. Please tell me.
And I can easily get ascended. It really isn’t that hard and doesn’t take very long. No reason that you can’t either. Even if you do have to craft it, it doesn’t take that long.
Is that because your crafting was already at 400?
Play preference. I like to have one character that can craft everything that one character is allowed.
Not my problem if people don’t care to do the same. It is really easy.
Getting a full set of weapons will take a bit of time for me, but it isn’t going to take that long. Just need to gather the mats and with some champ farm, can buy them also. Not my problem if people don’t want to do PvE. Sometimes you have to do stuff that you don’t care to do to get what you want.
Yeah, in every other MMO ever. GW2 was marketed as an escape from that. If I had to play through all of each Call of Duty’s single player mode before I could play the parts I actually want to play, I’d never play CoD, either. If I had already been playing a CoD game for a year, and they added a new weapon that could only be acquired through doing something in the campaign, I’d be kitten ed.
So basically, your play preference includes a lot more PvE than mine does. That’s fine. Some of us never had any interest in crafting. Crafting wasn’t mandatory to achieve peak performance before this patch, and as soon as it was announced that the patch was coming, the market went nuts. And because I didn’t spend all of august in the Queen and Scarlet’s Grind-O-Rama, I’m a little behind.
Sometimes in life you can buy the things you can’t make yourself. There’s no such thing as a soulbound toyota. GW2’s economy used to be like that.
The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real.
No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
Also, let’s downscale Exotic to rare because that’s unfair. Don’t stop there? Ok, next let’s downscale rare to masterwork because those are cheaper! Still too much grind? Ok, I’ll take those masterworks down to Fine.
Not everyone can afford ascended items. Exotics are easily obtainable. Your logic is completely flawed.
Yes. I do want ascended downscaled.
Not everyone can afford Exotics. Downscale them too
Who can’t afford exotics? Can easily buy a set with badges/tokens. Please tell me.
And I can easily get ascended. It really isn’t that hard and doesn’t take very long. No reason that you can’t either. Even if you do have to craft it, it doesn’t take that long.
Is that because your crafting was already at 400?
200g to level to 500. 50g to craft 1 weapon. I can’t equip all my 5 80s.
I have a few characters also, planning on a few more. Not all I care to bring into WvW so it isn’t a total must.
Still though, your problem isn’t mine because I will still be comfortable in exotic even though the others may or may not be in ascended. It doesn’t bother me that they have a slight advantage in stat. I can deal with it.
I speak for my self and no one else. Only fools believe they speak for a majority.
if anet downscaled ascended items to exotic, i would definitely return to the game for some wvw action since spvp is kitten anyways. at least i could get some kind of pvp fix. but no, anet will not address this issue. they have lied about everything and there’s no reason for me to believe they care about us. its all about the money and stakeholders. its best to move on to another game.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Also, let’s downscale Exotic to rare because that’s unfair. Don’t stop there? Ok, next let’s downscale rare to masterwork because those are cheaper! Still too much grind? Ok, I’ll take those masterworks down to Fine.
Not everyone can afford ascended items. Exotics are easily obtainable. Your logic is completely flawed.
Yes. I do want ascended downscaled.
Not everyone can afford Exotics. Downscale them too
Who can’t afford exotics? Can easily buy a set with badges/tokens. Please tell me.
And I can easily get ascended. It really isn’t that hard and doesn’t take that long. No reason that you can’t either. Even if you do have to craft it, it doesn’t take that long.
Is there a way to get an ascended weapon without crafting? I play 3.5 hours a day. How long will I have to PVE to craft it? The question is not actually being able to craft it, but how long will I have to PVE and not play wvw to do so? This is not what we were promised. I don’t want to farm to be competitive.
Yeah, in every other MMO ever. GW2 was marketed as an escape from that. If I had to play through all of each Call of Duty’s single player mode before I could play the parts I actually want to play, I’d never play CoD, either. If I had already been playing a CoD game for a year, and they added a new weapon that could only be acquired through doing something in the campaign, I’d be kitten ed.
So basically, your play preference includes a lot more PvE than mine does. That’s fine. Some of us never had any interest in crafting. Crafting wasn’t mandatory to achieve peak performance before this patch, and as soon as it was announced that the patch was coming, the market went nuts. And because I didn’t spend all of august in the Queen and Scarlet’s Grind-O-Rama, I’m a little behind.
Sometimes in life you can buy the things you can’t make yourself. There’s no such thing as a soulbound toyota. GW2’s economy used to be like that.
No MMO will ever be able to please everyone all the time. There will always be people that are going to be unhappy with some decision.
If WvW offered more reward, there are times when there is no one to fight, I would be in there a lot more. As it is, I go where I need to so I can get my gold so I can get the stuff that I want. I still have yet to craft a legendary. Would love a Jugger but I haven’t gotten the precursor because they are stupid pricy. Still holding out to be able to get mine through quest or crafting.
I also don’t trust any MMO economy. It can get screwed real quick so I’d rather be able to make what I need. If I can craft everything on one character, I can. Don’t need Toyota.
I speak for my self and no one else. Only fools believe they speak for a majority.
Doing so would invalidate the time people spend acquiring that gear. I think the heart of your post is in the right place, but what we would rather do is make possible for people to get the gear by playing WvW with a sprinkling of PvE, rather than the other way around.
Yes please.
All items etc acquired in WvW within a timely manner. → Pop over to Lions Arch to see a vendor quickly.
Doing so would invalidate the time people spend acquiring that gear. I think the heart of your post is in the right place, but what we would rather do is make possible for people to get the gear by playing WvW with a sprinkling of PvE, rather than the other way around.
here’s the solution: don’t have gear treadmills. silly answer from a dev to talk about invalidation when you should actually address the root cause.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Also, let’s downscale Exotic to rare because that’s unfair. Don’t stop there? Ok, next let’s downscale rare to masterwork because those are cheaper! Still too much grind? Ok, I’ll take those masterworks down to Fine.
Not everyone can afford ascended items. Exotics are easily obtainable. Your logic is completely flawed.
Yes. I do want ascended downscaled.
Not everyone can afford Exotics. Downscale them too
Who can’t afford exotics? Can easily buy a set with badges/tokens. Please tell me.
And I can easily get ascended. It really isn’t that hard and doesn’t take that long. No reason that you can’t either. Even if you do have to craft it, it doesn’t take that long.
Is there a way to get an ascended weapon without crafting? I play 3.5 hours a day. How long will I have to PVE to craft it? The question is not actually being able to craft it, but how long will I have to PVE and not play wvw to do so? This is not what we were promised. I don’t want to farm to be competitive.
Good luck with holding companies to those promises. I haven’t seen it in writing myself, don’t really care. Games evolve and decisions are made depending upon who is playing. If the company decided that it needs to do something for it’s bottom line, it will.
They also said that they wanted to add in ascended from the start but it didn’t make the deadline and they also said that this is the final tier.
So, why are you going to believe one statement but not another?
I don’t care how long other people have to take to gear out their characters. That is their problem, not mine, not ANet. That is a player preference, just like I prefer to have a crafter. Ascended isn’t necessary but it is nice. I think that some optimal gear sets will include exotics in the mix since you can’t always round out a number to get more damage such as condition damage so I don’t think that you will always need to have some piece of ascended.
I’m looking forward to ascended armor.
I speak for my self and no one else. Only fools believe they speak for a majority.
Is there a way to get an ascended weapon without crafting? I play 3.5 hours a day. How long will I have to PVE to craft it? The question is not actually being able to craft it, but how long will I have to PVE and not play wvw to do so? This is not what we were promised. I don’t want to farm to be competitive.
Lvling a crafter is the hardest part.
Getting the parts to craft it is not actually that hard. You can do WvW and get one within 1 month. If you PvE for let say 1hr a days, you can get it within 1 week.
The stats isn’t that great anyway, so I vote “NO”
Reasons:
1)Downscale takes programming time, testing takes time as well. We may even get bugged ascended that one hit people after they are “downscaled”.
2)It is better for dev to spend more time solving the zerging , lower number= getting spawn-camped and blow-out than doing stupid thing like this.
3)Game is about getting reward and having fun. Take away the reward and you think anyone will wvw?
No MMO will ever be able to please everyone all the time. There will always be people that are going to be unhappy with some decision.
But that’s my sticking point here as well. I’m not totally against the idea of gear progression in any video game ever. When the game launched with no gear progression, that was my argument to the WoWheads. “Sorry, I guess this isn’t the game you were looking for.” But ANet made the mistake of trying to please everybody. They did a complete 180. Now there’s not enough progression to keep those that need it happy, and there’s far too much for the folks who expected there to be none.
In the spring I’ll get ESO, and I’ll play it as long as it doesn’t feel like a job, but I won’t be bitterly angry at Zenimax. I won’t be angry because they never told me they weren’t going down that road. They’ve alluded to a bit more horizontal progression than is typical, but they didn’t boldly proclaim in a freakin’ manifesto that this time, things are going to be different. You know who writes manifestos? People starting revolutions! You know what ANet did less than 3 months from launch? Shut up and get back in line.
I know I should be playing more to keep up with the gear treadmill, but each day I’m more likely to hop on steam than GW2 lately. In the past week, I can safely say that my GW2 time is down ~50%.
The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real.
No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
No MMO will ever be able to please everyone all the time. There will always be people that are going to be unhappy with some decision.
But that’s my sticking point here as well. I’m not totally against the idea of gear progression in any video game ever. When the game launched with no gear progression, that was my argument to the WoWheads. “Sorry, I guess this isn’t the game you were looking for.” But ANet made the mistake of trying to please everybody. They did a complete 180. Now there’s not enough progression to keep those that need it happy, and there’s far too much for the folks who expected there to be none.
In the spring I’ll get ESO, and I’ll play it as long as it doesn’t feel like a job, but I won’t be bitterly angry at Zenimax. I won’t be angry because they never told me they weren’t going down that road. They’ve alluded to a bit more horizontal progression than is typical, but they didn’t boldly proclaim in a freakin’ manifesto that this time, things are going to be different. You know who writes manifestos? People starting revolutions! You know what ANet did less than 3 months from launch? Shut up and get back in line.
I know I should be playing more to keep up with the gear treadmill, but each day I’m more likely to hop on steam than GW2 lately. In the past week, I can safely say that my GW2 time is down ~50%.
Other people will still be playing when you go to ESO.
This game for me, only thing I really like is WvW. Pve is kind of junk, problem is the classes design. Eventually I’ll find another game that meets my needs. Everyone will but there will still be others that play this game.
Some people really like some stuff for a long time, I get bored with doing the same thing over. It won’t be gear that kills the game for me, it will be the WvW maps remaining the same. I do realize that they take time to make, but when 3 of 4 maps are the same, I’m getting kind of bored.
I would much rather they devote resources to other stuff, new maps, than to adjust ascended. I don’t believe that they will make everyone happy with the gear.
I speak for my self and no one else. Only fools believe they speak for a majority.
Other people will still be playing when you go to ESO.
This game for me, only thing I really like is WvW. Pve is kind of junk, problem is the classes design. Eventually I’ll find another game that meets my needs. Everyone will but there will still be others that play this game.
Some people really like some stuff for a long time, I get bored with doing the same thing over. It won’t be gear that kills the game for me, it will be the WvW maps remaining the same. I do realize that they take time to make, but when 3 of 4 maps are the same, I’m getting kind of bored.
I would much rather they devote resources to other stuff, new maps, than to adjust ascended. I don’t believe that they will make everyone happy with the gear.
People would have kept playing though november, when grinders when back to WoW.
So basically we’re in the same boat, you just happen to also enjoy crafting. Because I don’t really do much besides WvW in this game.
I don’t really mind the limited maps in WvW. Football players only get 1 field. Even LoL still only has 1 map for each game type. Few people realize how long it must have taken to make both maps, because they are pretty tightly tuned. I’m not saying flawless, but in a year, they haven’t actually had to change terrain because of things like unforeseen siege placement. It would have been nice to see a reskin by now… or some evidence that the WvW team has enough people on it to be called a team.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter. Devon already said that he doesn’t want to invalidate PvE farmers’ PvE farming. I know where WvW stands. Right at the bottom.
The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real.
No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
I primarily PvE but I still don’t see the actions over the last year as reasonable attempts to make ascended items fairly available to WvW players. I don’t care what you’d like to do, I only care about what you actually do.
Speaking as someone who has only gotten Ascended gear via WvW vendors, I’d say that’s nonsense. Speaking as a developer, we are continuing to make this better, which is not to say perfect. There will be more ways to acquire the ascended mats as part of the season and we will look into adding yet additional ways after that.
Speaking as a player of your game, this is nonsense. You don’t seem to understand the problem. Ascended mats are super easy to get. It’s all the other ‘traditional’ mats that are the problem. Leveling just one crafting discipline takes 200g, and then it’s 50g per weapon. A typical WvW player can’t even begin to afford that. We can either grind PvE or buy the gold. We don’t need new ways to get ascended mats, we need new ways to get ascended weapons.
If only there was some type of token that dropped in WvW that could be traded in for gear…
I see this a compromise for the large number of people who dont want ascended gear in the game. Make it pve only.
Anet will lose people with their current implimentation while trying to please the grinders…so why not do both. I doubt any of the pve grinders play wvw anyway.
Current Vote:
Yes: 36 (56%)
No: 28 (44%)
That would make things more fair, but that isn’t the intent of WvW according to them.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter. Devon already said that he doesn’t want to invalidate PvE farmers’ PvE farming. I know where WvW stands. Right at the bottom
Yeah, that’s been pretty obvious for awhile now. It’s taken some time for most people to realize it though. I think people had this “idea” of what WvW was supposed to be like based on things Anet has said in the past. Around Christmas most of us realized that it was complete crap though. Right now I see GW2 as something to just hold my interest until the better games are released in the upcoming months.
Reasons:
1)Downscale takes programming time, testing takes time as well. We may even get bugged ascended that one hit people after they are “downscaled”.
2)It is better for dev to spend more time solving the zerging , lower number= getting spawn-camped and blow-out than doing stupid thing like this.
3)Game is about getting reward and having fun. Take away the reward and you think anyone will wvw?
1) Downscaling is already in the game, it would require no programmer time
2)They’ve already said they aren’t going to do that
3)People don’t WvW for rewards, they do it for the fun of the match setup. Playing WvW is a quick way to going broke. You pay to upgrade just to lose all of that money when your side doesn’t have adequate coverage. In the same hour you spend in WvW you could have made 10+g pressing 1 repeatedly in PvE.
Aside from that you say the stats aren’t that much difference. It’s a 5% increase to both damage, and stats over exotic. That’s pretty big.
Also, let’s downscale Exotic to rare because that’s unfair. Don’t stop there? Ok, next let’s downscale rare to masterwork because those are cheaper! Still too much grind? Ok, I’ll take those masterworks down to Fine.
Not everyone can afford ascended items. Exotics are easily obtainable. Your logic is completely flawed.
Yes. I do want ascended downscaled.
Not everyone can afford Exotics. Downscale them too
Who can’t afford exotics? Can easily buy a set with badges/tokens. Please tell me.
And I can easily get ascended. It really isn’t that hard and doesn’t take very long. No reason that you can’t either. Even if you do have to craft it, it doesn’t take that long.
Is that because your crafting was already at 400?
200g to level to 500. 50g to craft 1 weapon. I can’t equip all my 5 80s.
I did one craft for my uber main (I’m a fellow alt-a-holic). From that one I’m able to at least partially gear my alts, or make back some of the money I spent by making t7 stuffs and selling it. It’s still very expensive though I agree… you’re also going to need to do PvE to get enough dragonite… and it’s time gated on top of that : /
It’s left me with NO time to go do the SAB this time around… hopefully the next time it rolls around they won’t have just dropped in ascended armors >.<
Doing so would invalidate the time people spend acquiring that gear. I think the heart of your post is in the right place, but what we would rather do is make possible for people to get the gear by playing WvW with a sprinkling of PvE, rather than the other way around.
Did any GW1 players feel “invalidated” because their high end armor (chaos gloves, obsidian armor, rare weapons, etc) did not give them an advantage over other players who didn’t want to spend their time acquiring such items? No. That was part of what made GW1 great.
Doing so would invalidate the time people spend acquiring that gear. I think the heart of your post is in the right place, but what we would rather do is make possible for people to get the gear by playing WvW with a sprinkling of PvE, rather than the other way around.
Did any GW1 players feel “invalidated” because their high end armor (chaos gloves, obsidian armor, rare weapons, etc) did not give them an advantage over other players who didn’t want to spend their time acquiring such items? No. That was part of what made GW1 great.
Comparing this game to GW1 is an insult to GW1. That game managed to keep people playing for years without having this constant living story stuff. It managed to keep people interested without having to resort to the gimmicks gw2 has. It somehow managed to do things that GW2 seems incapable of doing (separation of pve/pvp skills etc).
Doing so would invalidate the time people spend acquiring that gear. I think the heart of your post is in the right place, but what we would rather do is make possible for people to get the gear by playing WvW with a sprinkling of PvE, rather than the other way around.
Did any GW1 players feel “invalidated” because their high end armor (chaos gloves, obsidian armor, rare weapons, etc) did not give them an advantage over other players who didn’t want to spend their time acquiring such items? No. That was part of what made GW1 great.
You should apologize to GW1 developers man, this game should never be compared to GW2, gw2 is a festival of bad ideas badly implemented, they should realy learn from theyr predecessors.
In the spring I’ll get ESO, and I’ll play it as long as it doesn’t feel like a job, but I won’t be bitterly angry at Zenimax.
If you think ESO has no farming, you are in for a big surprise." Almost everything there involved farming" (from closed beta friends)
I get that, but Zenimax hasn’t been telling us that they’re going to do anything different. They haven’t been shoving “You don’t have to grind to get to the fun stuff” down my throat for a couple years.
Truth be told, I’ll also be getting it because I’ve been playing TES games since Morrowind, and because I have several RL friends who will be playing ESO no matter how much I’ve told them they should play GW2. Granted, I’ll probably burn out on ESO sooner or later, but what are the odds I’d still play GW2 on the side/after I’m done? Each new round of ascended gear makes that much less likely.
The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real.
No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
1) Downscaling is already in the game, it would require no programmer time
2)They’ve already said they aren’t going to do that
3)People don’t WvW for rewards, they do it for the fun of the match setup. Playing WvW is a quick way to going broke. You pay to upgrade just to lose all of that money when your side doesn’t have adequate coverage. In the same hour you spend in WvW you could have made 10+g pressing 1 repeatedly in PvE.
Aside from that you say the stats aren’t that much difference. It’s a 5% increase to both damage, and stats over exotic. That’s pretty big.
1)care to point out? Level downscale is different from gear downscale.
3)Look at the forum(WvW) .Half of it is about loot and reward.
PS:when your side get rolled often and lose every keep, tower in the map, nobody pay for upgrade. Sad fact but true.
1) Downscaling is already in the game, it would require no programmer time
2)They’ve already said they aren’t going to do that
3)People don’t WvW for rewards, they do it for the fun of the match setup. Playing WvW is a quick way to going broke. You pay to upgrade just to lose all of that money when your side doesn’t have adequate coverage. In the same hour you spend in WvW you could have made 10+g pressing 1 repeatedly in PvE.
Aside from that you say the stats aren’t that much difference. It’s a 5% increase to both damage, and stats over exotic. That’s pretty big.
1)care to point out? Level downscale is different from gear downscale.
3)Look at the forum(WvW) .Half of it is about loot and reward.
PS:when your side get rolled often and lose every keep, tower in the map, nobody pay for upgrade. Bad fact but true.
5 pt more is equal to 5% increase? Seriously.
O.k. with 1 it’s actually already done with the damage calculations. I’m not sure if you know what those are so I will paste that here for you.
For the differences in strength we get 50-55
for power 9
precision 6
crit damage 1%
For those that can’t do the math
min weapon strength 995*.05=49.75 49.75+995=1044.75 rounded up 1045
max weapon strength 1100*.05=55 55+1100=1155
power 179*.05= 8.95 8.95+179=187.95 (rounded up we get 188)
precision 128*.05=6.4 6.4+128=134.4 rounded down 134
crit damage is the exception it increases by over 5%.
However that should clear that up. So yes, seriously. Hey it’s early, I could be wrong. Please correct me.
, this game should never be compared to GW2, gw2 is a festival of bad ideas badly implemented, they should realy learn from theyr predecessors.