Scrubio
Plays completely opposite professions to his main Teef.
Plays completely opposite professions to his main Teef.
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Duels in the wrong place...
In general, people being ganked have certain patterns to their movement (generally panic), and yes I would usually join in unless otherwise stated.
This is where you are wrong. I use to solo roam and get ganked a lot. I will still fight my foes and try to win, if I am not overrun by 3+ players.
It often so happens, that allies of my server will not help me, probably thinking the same way you do, although I would appreciate it, even if it’s a 1v1. My aim is not to win duels, it is to defeat the other server. The end result is often, both of us (the ally, who didn’t help me and I) will often go our own ways in hostile territory, instead of working together, just because he respected the duel, that wasn’t one.
From the GW2 homepage:
“World vs. World (WvW) is PvP combat that involves hundred of players. Three huge teams —each representing a server, or world—battle for control over objectives on four massive maps in week-long matches.”
This already weakens zinkz’ statement that those servers are not supposed to work as a team. This is the point Sirbeaumerdier was trying to make, I think. The context of the game mode is a team based battle over objectives.
Players dueling are actually deviating from the idea of the game mode. It’s like going into a sPvP match, refusing to cap points and insisting on dueling this one guy over and over again.
From the GW2 code of conduct:
“While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.”
Now to make it clear: I AM NOT SAYING DUELING IS LEACHING. But it is kinda close, from the perspective of the WvW game mode description. In the end, I do not know any player, that looks down on duelers (including me) as being disruptive or having no place in WvW. So the least is, that duelers take their fights out of the way and do not insult others, who only sought to help an ally.
[ROSE] – Fissure of Woe
Chronomancy works, I am proof of it. Now stop asking me questions. Time must be preserved!
Chronomancy works, I am proof of it. Now stop asking me questions. Time must be preserved!
I never, ever insult an ally. If they walk into a duel between me and someone else, I just stop. If they win? Awesome! It’s likely that at the point they intervene, the other player is low on health.
That said, there are generally people from other sides spectating. It’s pretty easy to spot when you walk up. You jump in the middle of that, things are bound to get weird.
This does not fall within the category of “leeching” and many of the PvP rules do not apply in WvW, at least subjectively according to the game masters and other Anet reps. There is history there. For example, it is against the rules to sit in spawn in sPvP and not contribute to your team. It is not, however, against the rules for guilds or groups to gather at spawn for upwards of 15 minutes, so they can rally and party before moving out. In sPvP, you are kicked out of spawn after a short time (not sure what this time is, but less than a minute). sPvP matches last for 15 minutes. WvW matches last for a week. There is a reason why rules differ between the two modes, and this is one of them.
NSP’s resident crazy-eyed sylvari
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
Jim Hunter when my other account isn’t suspended
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
Not really, because in the end these duelers are egotistical people. They dont care about other people playing the wvw game.
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
Not really, because in the end these duelers are egotistical people. They dont care about other people playing the wvw game.
My group and I stayed up late one night and ended up flipping about half a bl, while holding all of that we started running duels with the 2 opposing servers night crews. Everyone was hanging out having a good time, we were still holding the highest PPT without having to chase the defenders around the map back capping each other.
Another random guild from our server decided it would be funny to troll our duels. We told them we were dueling and asked them to stop but they gave us the same crappy attitude a lot of the people in this thread have, “WvW isn’t about fighting, blah blah blah.”
We told the players from the other server to go ahead and kill them and we all had a good laugh. Instead of trying to cap stuff on their own they spent about 45 minutes trying to troll us and repeatedly dying before giving up. Of course at that point we were pretty kittened so we started following them around while still in a party with players from the other servers and dropping bali sites over their ram sites. Any time they tried taking anything they ended up getting wiped and everyone would laugh spam them.
If you are worried about PPT then spend your time getting a higher PPT. You can’t always tell when someone is dueling and accidents will happen, but when you know players are dueling and decide to waste time trolling them all you are doing is being a kitten and creating bad blood between groups for your own server.
Jim Hunter when my other account isn’t suspended
If you are worried about PPT then spend your time getting a higher PPT. You can’t always tell when someone is dueling and accidents will happen, but when you know players are dueling and decide to waste time trolling them all you are doing is being a kitten and creating bad blood between groups for your own server.
I completely agree.
[ROSE] – Fissure of Woe
Chronomancy works, I am proof of it. Now stop asking me questions. Time must be preserved!
Chronomancy works, I am proof of it. Now stop asking me questions. Time must be preserved!
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
Not really, because in the end these duelers are egotistical people. They dont care about other people playing the wvw game.
My group and I stayed up late one night and ended up flipping about half a bl, while holding all of that we started running duels with the 2 opposing servers night crews. Everyone was hanging out having a good time, we were still holding the highest PPT without having to chase the defenders around the map back capping each other.
Another random guild from our server decided it would be funny to troll our duels. We told them we were dueling and asked them to stop but they gave us the same crappy attitude a lot of the people in this thread have, “WvW isn’t about fighting, blah blah blah.”
We told the players from the other server to go ahead and kill them and we all had a good laugh. Instead of trying to cap stuff on their own they spent about 45 minutes trying to troll us and repeatedly dying before giving up. Of course at that point we were pretty kittened so we started following them around while still in a party with players from the other servers and dropping bali sites over their ram sites. Any time they tried taking anything they ended up getting wiped and everyone would laugh spam them.
If you are worried about PPT then spend your time getting a higher PPT. You can’t always tell when someone is dueling and accidents will happen, but when you know players are dueling and decide to waste time trolling them all you are doing is being a kitten and creating bad blood between groups for your own server.
But what you are saying now is completly different. With full map ques and still doing duels is kinda weird in my opinion. If you guys get bored and decided to start duels in the late evening when almost none is around who could be against that type dueling?
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
Not really, because in the end these duelers are egotistical people. They dont care about other people playing the wvw game.
My group and I stayed up late one night and ended up flipping about half a bl, while holding all of that we started running duels with the 2 opposing servers night crews. Everyone was hanging out having a good time, we were still holding the highest PPT without having to chase the defenders around the map back capping each other.
Another random guild from our server decided it would be funny to troll our duels. We told them we were dueling and asked them to stop but they gave us the same crappy attitude a lot of the people in this thread have, “WvW isn’t about fighting, blah blah blah.”
We told the players from the other server to go ahead and kill them and we all had a good laugh. Instead of trying to cap stuff on their own they spent about 45 minutes trying to troll us and repeatedly dying before giving up. Of course at that point we were pretty kittened so we started following them around while still in a party with players from the other servers and dropping bali sites over their ram sites. Any time they tried taking anything they ended up getting wiped and everyone would laugh spam them.
If you are worried about PPT then spend your time getting a higher PPT. You can’t always tell when someone is dueling and accidents will happen, but when you know players are dueling and decide to waste time trolling them all you are doing is being a kitten and creating bad blood between groups for your own server.
But what you are saying now is completly different. With full map ques and still doing duels is kinda weird in my opinion. If you guys get bored and decided to start duels in the late evening when almost none is around who could be against that type dueling?
Good question. Unfortunately the answer is a lot of people.
Jim Hunter when my other account isn’t suspended
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
Not really, because in the end these duelers are egotistical people. They dont care about other people playing the wvw game.
My group and I stayed up late one night and ended up flipping about half a bl, while holding all of that we started running duels with the 2 opposing servers night crews. Everyone was hanging out having a good time, we were still holding the highest PPT without having to chase the defenders around the map back capping each other.
Another random guild from our server decided it would be funny to troll our duels. We told them we were dueling and asked them to stop but they gave us the same crappy attitude a lot of the people in this thread have, “WvW isn’t about fighting, blah blah blah.”
We told the players from the other server to go ahead and kill them and we all had a good laugh. Instead of trying to cap stuff on their own they spent about 45 minutes trying to troll us and repeatedly dying before giving up. Of course at that point we were pretty kittened so we started following them around while still in a party with players from the other servers and dropping bali sites over their ram sites. Any time they tried taking anything they ended up getting wiped and everyone would laugh spam them.
If you are worried about PPT then spend your time getting a higher PPT. You can’t always tell when someone is dueling and accidents will happen, but when you know players are dueling and decide to waste time trolling them all you are doing is being a kitten and creating bad blood between groups for your own server.
But what you are saying now is completly different. With full map ques and still doing duels is kinda weird in my opinion. If you guys get bored and decided to start duels in the late evening when almost none is around who could be against that type dueling?
Good question. Unfortunately the answer is a lot of people.
A lot based on what?
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
Not really, because in the end these duelers are egotistical people. They dont care about other people playing the wvw game.
My group and I stayed up late one night and ended up flipping about half a bl, while holding all of that we started running duels with the 2 opposing servers night crews. Everyone was hanging out having a good time, we were still holding the highest PPT without having to chase the defenders around the map back capping each other.
Another random guild from our server decided it would be funny to troll our duels. We told them we were dueling and asked them to stop but they gave us the same crappy attitude a lot of the people in this thread have, “WvW isn’t about fighting, blah blah blah.”
We told the players from the other server to go ahead and kill them and we all had a good laugh. Instead of trying to cap stuff on their own they spent about 45 minutes trying to troll us and repeatedly dying before giving up. Of course at that point we were pretty kittened so we started following them around while still in a party with players from the other servers and dropping bali sites over their ram sites. Any time they tried taking anything they ended up getting wiped and everyone would laugh spam them.
If you are worried about PPT then spend your time getting a higher PPT. You can’t always tell when someone is dueling and accidents will happen, but when you know players are dueling and decide to waste time trolling them all you are doing is being a kitten and creating bad blood between groups for your own server.
But what you are saying now is completly different. With full map ques and still doing duels is kinda weird in my opinion. If you guys get bored and decided to start duels in the late evening when almost none is around who could be against that type dueling?
Good question. Unfortunately the answer is a lot of people.
A lot based on what?
Based on the amount of people that interrupt duels when there is no reason to, and the amount of people in this thread making posts like this
Duellers should be banned, like they are in other games.
I make it a mission when I see a duel going down to disrupt that duel. The abuse I get is priceless.
Jim Hunter when my other account isn’t suspended
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
Not really, because in the end these duelers are egotistical people. They dont care about other people playing the wvw game.
My group and I stayed up late one night and ended up flipping about half a bl, while holding all of that we started running duels with the 2 opposing servers night crews. Everyone was hanging out having a good time, we were still holding the highest PPT without having to chase the defenders around the map back capping each other.
Another random guild from our server decided it would be funny to troll our duels. We told them we were dueling and asked them to stop but they gave us the same crappy attitude a lot of the people in this thread have, “WvW isn’t about fighting, blah blah blah.”
We told the players from the other server to go ahead and kill them and we all had a good laugh. Instead of trying to cap stuff on their own they spent about 45 minutes trying to troll us and repeatedly dying before giving up. Of course at that point we were pretty kittened so we started following them around while still in a party with players from the other servers and dropping bali sites over their ram sites. Any time they tried taking anything they ended up getting wiped and everyone would laugh spam them.
If you are worried about PPT then spend your time getting a higher PPT. You can’t always tell when someone is dueling and accidents will happen, but when you know players are dueling and decide to waste time trolling them all you are doing is being a kitten and creating bad blood between groups for your own server.
But what you are saying now is completly different. With full map ques and still doing duels is kinda weird in my opinion. If you guys get bored and decided to start duels in the late evening when almost none is around who could be against that type dueling?
Good question. Unfortunately the answer is a lot of people.
A lot based on what?
Based on the amount of people that interrupt duels when there is no reason to, and the amount of people in this thread making posts like this
Duellers should be banned, like they are in other games.
I make it a mission when I see a duel going down to disrupt that duel. The abuse I get is priceless.
There are for sure but, overall, I think most people, myself included, don’t have a problem with duelers so much as with what often goes with it in WvW including the attitude many arbor toward PPTers. Dueling in itself is not a problem.
The problem in this particular issue is we have 2 populations that want respect appearing to be mutually exclusive. At least from their POV. On one side if you duel for dueling in WvW you don’t respect the server’s effort, while OTOH if you interrupt duels for the shake of it you show no respect for the players involved in the duel.
It being a server context and being coherent with my stance, the greater sin has to be lacking respect to the server BUT not everyone is as rigid in that regards that dueling is automatically disrespectful no matter what. As long as people are reasonable and nice, the huge majority will be able to coexist without much problems.
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
Not really, because in the end these duelers are egotistical people. They dont care about other people playing the wvw game.
My group and I stayed up late one night and ended up flipping about half a bl, while holding all of that we started running duels with the 2 opposing servers night crews. Everyone was hanging out having a good time, we were still holding the highest PPT without having to chase the defenders around the map back capping each other.
Another random guild from our server decided it would be funny to troll our duels. We told them we were dueling and asked them to stop but they gave us the same crappy attitude a lot of the people in this thread have, “WvW isn’t about fighting, blah blah blah.”
We told the players from the other server to go ahead and kill them and we all had a good laugh. Instead of trying to cap stuff on their own they spent about 45 minutes trying to troll us and repeatedly dying before giving up. Of course at that point we were pretty kittened so we started following them around while still in a party with players from the other servers and dropping bali sites over their ram sites. Any time they tried taking anything they ended up getting wiped and everyone would laugh spam them.
If you are worried about PPT then spend your time getting a higher PPT. You can’t always tell when someone is dueling and accidents will happen, but when you know players are dueling and decide to waste time trolling them all you are doing is being a kitten and creating bad blood between groups for your own server.
But what you are saying now is completly different. With full map ques and still doing duels is kinda weird in my opinion. If you guys get bored and decided to start duels in the late evening when almost none is around who could be against that type dueling?
Good question. Unfortunately the answer is a lot of people.
A lot based on what?
Based on the amount of people that interrupt duels when there is no reason to, and the amount of people in this thread making posts like this
Duellers should be banned, like they are in other games.
I make it a mission when I see a duel going down to disrupt that duel. The abuse I get is priceless.
There are for sure but, overall, I think most people, myself included, don’t have a problem with duelers so much as with what often goes with it in WvW including the attitude many arbor toward PPTers. Dueling in itself is not a problem.
The problem in this particular issue is we have 2 populations that want respect appearing to be mutually exclusive. At least from their POV. On one side if you duel for dueling in WvW you don’t respect the server’s effort, while OTOH if you interrupt duels for the shake of it you show no respect for the players involved in the duel.
It being a server context and being coherent with my stance, the greater sin has to be lacking respect to the server BUT not everyone is as rigid in that regards that dueling is automatically disrespectful no matter what. As long as people are reasonable and nice, the huge majority will be able to coexist without much problems.
The majority of the guilds on my server are smart enough to realize that PPT only matters in the sense that we need to keep it high enough to stay in a tier where we can have fun. If we completely ignore it we end up dropping a tier and just rofl stomping the servers we get put up against. The pugs and fairweathers love those weeks but the rest of us get extremely bored.
Going trykitten PPT just leads to players burning themselves out. It’s a much better situation when people are playing just to have fun. This leads to an atmosphere where people are a lot more willing to log in, which results in a higher PPT as a byproduct.
For me the good of the server has very little to do with how many towers we are capping, the server is good when the majority of the players are having fun.
Jim Hunter when my other account isn’t suspended
Yeah there are a lot of philosophies here. Honestly its hard to recognize when someone is dueling and not. Ive been complained to for staying out of what I thought was a duel and jumping in a duel I thought was not a duel.
With both of those happening, I dont really care anymore. If I attack and someone whispers for me to stop on my side, I will. With that said, I do respect the common places for duels.
Generally, I don’t do duels myself and have a “if it’s red, it’s dead” rule. However, if I see 2 individuals going at it and it’s obviously a duel (either due to the location or others just standing by watching), I will respect it and move on. No big deal.
With that said, those individuals who like to engage in duels in front of our keep, or basically between our Keep and SM, screw you. You getting mad at me or others for interrupting your duel is stupidity. I come back again 10-15 minutes later, and you’re still there trying to engage in a duel in between the Keep and SM? Really???
If I kill the other player, you get mad at me for messing up your duel, and if I die, you don’t rez and tell me “that’s what you get.” How about you stop dueling in a high traffic area like between the Keep and SM? Use some common sense.
I know you like to have an audience watching you, but nobody likes to feel like an kitten for interrupting you. Plenty of places in the BLs. And some places in EB – if you gravitate towards the edges of the map, less people will see you and there will be more of a likelihood that people will be able to recognize what you are doing.
It annoys the hell out of me. I see an ally in trouble (maybe was part of the zerg and got isolated) and think I can help him. I do so
Exactly what I think. After I stomp the guy my fellow server bro complains something about “1v1” or whatever. These are just words, not really something you should pay attention to.
Maguuma
Duels usually are from impromptu nature, you can’t control exactly when and how will happen, unless it was discussed and scheduled before. Hard to tell players to stay away from certain areas, when more often than not you have to go to those areas to find a fight.
I am a duo or solo roamer and will duel and fight groups up to 3, as in 3v1. If I am dueling and someone from the server jumps in even after I politely inform it is a duel, I will back off, disengage and watch said person fight. Despite fighting outnumbered, I don’t like to be the one outmanning the fights and so, if the person that interrupted the duel want that kill so much, they will have to work for it. It is a 1v1, both have chances to win, mostly the one that interrupted since won’t have any skills on cooldown, so I’d say it is a “fair” fight. However if a second or third from the other server joins the fight, I will as well to turn a bit the odds.
For those who thinks duelers are doing a disservice for the server because they are fighting, I have to say, in most cases, that’s wrong statement. Many duelers are roamers and if we don’t find fights, usually go flip objectives to draw attention. I’ve solo’ed towers and even a keep before to get a few red guys to chase and give me fights. With that being said, just think that as long as there is a fight, duelers are happy there, including the ones from the opposing server, and won’t be roaming around flipping camps and towers.
To finish, no, I don’t play for PPT. I have done that before in the past and only got burned out to the point that needed to step away from WvW for a couple of months. Since then, I’ve decided to play for my own fun and as long as am doing that am happy and helping my server in my own way. However, have to say that the majority of my server have the same mind set, some still play for PPT yes, but most just want to fight (their definition of fun) and share a laugh.
Guardian Commander
Thief / Mesmer / Elementalist / Warrior / Necromancer / Ranger / Engineer / Revenant
Crystal Desert – Eredon Terrace – Fort Aspenwood – Stormbluff Isle
Thief / Mesmer / Elementalist / Warrior / Necromancer / Ranger / Engineer / Revenant
Crystal Desert – Eredon Terrace – Fort Aspenwood – Stormbluff Isle
Too often players playing the “legal” card do so because they know they can’t play the “moral” one.
It’s funny, because this precisely sums up the players who knowingly interrupt duels, and do so in the full knowledge that they’re griefing.
From the GW2 code of conduct:
“While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.”
That is a slippery slope. So you’re saying anyone who isn’t 100% focusing on their server’s PPT is violating the game-mode. Okay, so, Crafting Stations? JPs? Vistas? Mystic Forge? Merchants? That event on BLs with the veteran ghosts? What about up-scaled players? People not using optimal builds? People not using teamspeak? People going to the toilet? People who simply aren’t as good as some of the others in queue? Should these people also be chased out of WvW with pitchforks?
Where do you draw the line? Where is the difference between a roamer taking 10 minutes out from camp-flipping (PPT) to duel, and a PPT-zerger taking 10 minutes out to sell up and get a drink, or a newbie getting a little lost and ending up fighting the veteran harpy?
A hardline approach of “PPT must come before everything else” just leads to insanity.
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For me the good of the server has very little to do with how many towers we are capping, the server is good when the majority of the players are having fun.
+1
Willing to pay for boxed expansion if you put legit GvG in the box $$
For me the good of the server has very little to do with how many towers we are capping, the server is good when the majority of the players are having fun.
+1
How could I missed that…
You take the words I used but not the meaning and context they were used in. At no point did I implied having fun was correlated with capping stuff. I’m talking about legitimacy here, not fun. Nice straw man again ppl. Specially since I myself already said several times that fighting was more fun. But my fun is irrelevant to the point I defended.
I’m not getting involved in your discussion together … just saying what relates to myself and how I play. I play for the community. We do all sorts of stuff. Including duels. Please have an argument with someone willing to join. I am not. That is why I did not quote you.
Willing to pay for boxed expansion if you put legit GvG in the box $$
I’m not getting involved in your discussion together … just saying what relates to myself and how I play. I play for the community. We do all sorts of stuff. Including duels. Please have an argument with someone willing to join. I am not. That is why I did not quote you.
Then why reply if you did not want to get involved into the thread?
Too often players playing the “legal” card do so because they know they can’t play the “moral” one.
At no point did I implied having fun was correlated with capping stuff. I’m talking about legitimacy here, not fun.
You’re just doing all the work for me here.
[Scnd][TA][Dius][aX]
Too often players playing the “legal” card do so because they know they can’t play the “moral” one.
At no point did I implied having fun was correlated with capping stuff. I’m talking about legitimacy here, not fun.
You’re just doing all the work for me here.
I must be dumbstruck because I fail to see your point and how it invalidate all I’ve said in this thread. Can you help me here?
In general, people being ganked have certain patterns to their movement (generally panic), and yes I would usually join in unless otherwise stated.
This is where you are wrong. I use to solo roam and get ganked a lot. I will still fight my foes and try to win, if I am not overrun by 3+ players.
Well, that’s cool that you are different from my typical experience. Cool. It’s irrelevant though, because you might not notice these kinds of things in the heat of the moment, but it is quite clear from an observer point of view.
It often so happens, that allies of my server will not help me, probably thinking the same way you do, although I would appreciate it, even if it’s a 1v1. My aim is not to win duels, it is to defeat the other server. The end result is often, both of us (the ally, who didn’t help me and I) will often go our own ways in hostile territory, instead of working together, just because he respected the duel, that wasn’t one.
I’ll flip this back at you. Your death is inconsequential to the final score. It is highly unlikely that the outcome of what happens to you will affect victory or defeat. Like you said, it’s to defeat the other server. What if I decide that to save you and a camp gets flipped that I could have saved had I not stopped to help? Objectively speaking, I should have let you to die. What if I decide that you can’t take care of yourself and will die anyways even if I do save you?
Your death isn’t worth 5 points. Truth. Is this how we should approach the game?
I simply do not interrupt many duels simply because I am needed elsewhere and it’s a waste of my resources. I help sometimes because it’s just a nice thing to do, despite being possibly -expected value.
From the GW2 homepage:
“World vs. World (WvW) is PvP combat that involves hundred of players. Three huge teams —each representing a server, or world—battle for control over objectives on four massive maps in week-long matches.”This already weakens zinkz’ statement that those servers are not supposed to work as a team. This is the point Sirbeaumerdier was trying to make, I think. The context of the game mode is a team based battle over objectives.
Players dueling are actually deviating from the idea of the game mode. It’s like going into a sPvP match, refusing to cap points and insisting on dueling this one guy over and over again.
From the GW2 code of conduct:
“While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.”
You can paste as much as you want, but truth is there are many cases where people “playing in good faith” SHOULD let you die.
I’d like you to think about this, as well as everyone else that likes to shove these “rules” to portray the situation in an objective fashion.
Remember, the majority of score in wvw is gained by holding objectives. Killing players is good, but it’s hardly secondary. In these cases, even “red is dead” isn’t always true unless they’re impeding your primary goal of holding and taking objectives.
For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards,
for there you have been and there you will long to return.
for there you have been and there you will long to return.
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Duels – I have no problem with that.
What I do have a problem with is those jacknuts who message me to stop firing my Arrow Cart, Cannon, or Ballista at a red target right outside our server’s keep/tower.
I always message back to angry posts, that if they were really any good at 1v1 they would have the confidence to take their uber-skills to a back area. Having the option to run for the gate or guards when you start to lose does not make you a great duelist.
Lose the security blanket Sally.
I’m not trying to pass judgement, but I do think some people put their server’s victory over personal fun, which is crazy. An empty wvw dominated by one server that had a ‘victory at any cost’ mentality is pretty lame for everyone. Another misconception is that people duel for bragging rights, which for me at least isn’t true. Many duels aren’t really duels just spontaneous 1v1s where the opponent happened to be fun to fight against. The OS isn’t an option because it’s always empty. That being said, it’s wrong to be mean to someone who interrupted unless they’re purposely trolling.
I’m not trying to pass judgement, but I do think some people put their server’s victory over personal fun, which is crazy. An empty wvw dominated by one server that had a ‘victory at any cost’ mentality is pretty lame for everyone. Another misconception is that people duel for bragging rights, which for me at least isn’t true. Many duels aren’t really duels just spontaneous 1v1s where the opponent happened to be fun to fight against. The OS isn’t an option because it’s always empty. That being said, it’s wrong to be mean to someone who interrupted unless they’re purposely trolling.
As far as I’m concerned I agree with you. Putting Server above your fun IS crazy.
However, for many people the PPT game putting the importance on the server first is what is fun. What I have argued all along is about legitimacy, not fun. In short, PPT legitimacy > fights for fights legitimacy. This is the nuance that seems to have not been understood despite all I’ve said. The debate is all about what is more legitimate not what is more fun for you.