Guild Wars 2

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

If a merger turns it into the likes of t1/2/3, then as said many times and will keep saying nty nty nty. Part of the very reason the upper tiers have issues is because of the way business as usual has been done. The very thing that certain people are continuing to try to do. The consolidation of people through ‘buying guilds’ etc., has directly and indirectly led to the current situation. Of course there’s a myriad other factors, but regardless, this is just sealing it’s fate, likely going to lead to a loss of servers eventually in a new system. Won’t that be fun? (insert lots of sarcasm in prior statement, but then again, the current system is so messed up, what will it matter?)

I think you misunderstand the idea of “buying guilds.” The term was made up as propaganda to try and convince the members of two T1 servers to stop fighting and win-trade.

Look at the gold -> gems rate, now imagine doing that for enough transfers for 20 people. Maybe 40 people. Maybe more.

It isn’t possible no matter how small the guild is. Every server I have ever been on has helped new guilds move in by donating what small amount they can, but it is never enough for more than a handful of players. It is just the server trying to help their new guild, and I have both donated to and been the benefactor of it on various server moves going between multiple tier 1 servers, and t2 and t3 as well. Every server does this (or at least every server I have been on, played against, or had friends on), and I am glad they do.

If a neighbor moves in next door, comes over and asks for a hand, you help. Unless you hate neighbors.

Not that there isn’t a problem here – there are not enough people playing WvW to populate the gametype. ANet needs to take action.

BAITness.1083:

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It isn’t possible no matter how small the guild is. Every server I have ever been on has helped new guilds move in by donating what small amount they can, but it is never enough for more than a handful of players. It is just the server trying to help their new guild, and I have both donated to and been the benefactor of it on various server moves going between multiple tier 1 servers, and t2 and t3 as well. Every server does this (or at least every server I have been on, played against, or had friends on), and I am glad they do.

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lol? I think you misunderstand some things. I know of, for a fact, that some servers have in fact bought entire guilds, paid for each member to move, and paid for those guilds to recoup the influence they need to redo all the build queues etc they need (of course the need for the influence was before the guild ‘chapters’ were merged). Some on a server decide they need more coverage in a different time zone, and they pay for that entire guild to move.

As well as ~10 guilds can move as an entire unit, to a new server, with a few footing a lot of the cost. Don’t think it happens? It does whether you choose to believe or not.

Edit: Crazy though. And to respond to a part I snipped out, I hate neighbors that move in and demand the entire neighborhood changes how they do things, and forces it upon them when they don’t want to.

Seems to me, everyone claims to want the same things:

1) fair match ups
2) fair fights (or at least a possibility of winning using superior coordination)
3) Fresh match ups

However, what do we see?

1) unfair matchups due to server stacking
2) unfair fights due to server stacking and siege overuse (not to mention things like stab changes hurting smaller, skilled groups. thx anet)
3) stale match ups again due to server stacking

Its clear from point 2 that anet has no desire to help WvW so the only way really we can see some of these issues resolved is by the player base itself making it happen.

My guild is on Maguuma, and I recently transferred from Blackgate to it. A kitten t? shift, because the tiers are simple posturing to me. But what I did notice is almost every server had a high population. Right now only the lifers are on WvW, and until there is more news on the xpac it will stay this way. We all have enough on our server they just aren’t playing until Anet drops HoT

Have you guys asked the guilds that left why they left? There’s a lot of speculation here, but why not just reach out and ask?

Adding WXP and XP bonus to creating on / transferring to a particular server may help a bit.

A good first start for anet would be to stop rewarding stacking.

Then they can look into rewarding destacking.

The reward for stacking is minimal 2 extra chests of usually blues or greens…. People that stack to the higher tiers do so for reasons other than 2 extra weekly chests….

timmyf.1490:

Have you guys asked the guilds that left why they left? There’s a lot of speculation here, but why not just reach out and ask?

Nope never thought of that one!

Lol cmon yo

Dano.5298:

timmyf.1490:

Have you guys asked the guilds that left why they left? There’s a lot of speculation here, but why not just reach out and ask?

Nope never thought of that one!

Lol cmon yo

You guys just keep saying stuff like “they got bought” but it’s not true, at least not for the 4 or 5 guilds that came to NSP. You all seem like you’re guessing.

Liston.9708:

The reward for stacking is minimal 2 extra chests of usually blues or greens…. People that stack to the higher tiers do so for reasons other than 2 extra weekly chests….

You would be surprised…

But it would apply more so for the WvW Seasons. The last one saw people bail off of a server that was definitely not going to win 1st, for such a measly reward, and there was nothing that would discourage them from doing so. Prior ones locked you out of wvw for a bit when you transferred.

It’s crazy to do so over such paltry rewards, but sadly there are people that do that :/

Terrahero.9358:

A good first start for anet would be to stop rewarding stacking.

Then they can look into rewarding destacking.

Anet doesn’t reward stacking though. Even in terms of coming 1st in a matchup and getting crappy bonus chests, a win in t1 is the same as a win in t8. People stack because they want to win, but not because they want rewards for winning. They get a good feeling from both killing other people in the game, and from having higher score. They like the instant gratification (I’m better than you), and don’t even consider that they will rise up in the ranks and face stronger servers, and lose, and then subsequently bandwagon somewhere else and start the whole process over again.

And in this post, I’d like to draw the difference between different “mass transfers” and their impacts on the game. 5 guilds left ET because they simply didn’t enjoy the gaming environment. 18 guilds went from DB to HoD for the instant gratification stuff that I talked about earlier. Not all transfers are stacking, just to be clear!

Kaiser.9873:

Anet is under no obligation to fix a server’s population issues…

If people stop playing, they’ll end up shrinking the number of servers anyway. So yeah, I guess Anet is leaving it to the wvw players to abandon the low tier servers. Maybe that snowballs into the server population as a whole. Anet won’t fix and the players aren’t enjoying the experience. That’s not the best business model.

timmyf.1490:

Dano.5298:

timmyf.1490:

Have you guys asked the guilds that left why they left? There’s a lot of speculation here, but why not just reach out and ask?

Nope never thought of that one!

Lol cmon yo

You guys just keep saying stuff like “they got bought” but it’s not true, at least not for the 4 or 5 guilds that came to NSP. You all seem like you’re guessing.

Guilds transfer for different reasons. But here are some of the ones that I’ve heard over the years in no particular order:

• To get fights, action. A guild of xx number of players that wants to fight and have fun in the game cannot thrive in an environment where there is no action for a guild of their skill and size.

• They are burnt out and feel like they have to “carry the server”.

• Friction between other guilds on the server.

• To attempt to “move up tiers” or “be more competitive”.

Never once have I heard of a WvW guild transferring for rewards. Or “to win” a tournament. Those are mostly individuals and achievement hunters.

There may be some. But for the most part WvW guilds want to play the game. And they can only do that against other players.

They may not say it was the reason, but just look at some of the servers back during Seasons. Why did HoD or GoM win Season 2 in their leagues? Because people bandwagoned to them to do just that. Guilds left the server they had been on, stayed on one of the above, then at the end of it, transferred back to where they originally were.

But a lot of what you list just above is indeed a big part for transfers.

timmyf.1490:

Dano.5298:

timmyf.1490:

Have you guys asked the guilds that left why they left? There’s a lot of speculation here, but why not just reach out and ask?

Nope never thought of that one!

Lol cmon yo

You guys just keep saying stuff like “they got bought” but it’s not true, at least not for the 4 or 5 guilds that came to NSP. You all seem like you’re guessing.

So stop one second. You are talking to someone who’s played a ridiculous amount of gw2 with the leaders of those guilds. Countless hours, helping, trying to improve the team, organizing events, server trainings, heck I’ve even driven their guild from time to time.

I’m not some random player who knows nothing about the community I play on. And never did I suggest NSP bought guilds.

Dano.5298:

timmyf.1490:

Dano.5298:

timmyf.1490:

Have you guys asked the guilds that left why they left? There’s a lot of speculation here, but why not just reach out and ask?

Nope never thought of that one!

Lol cmon yo

You guys just keep saying stuff like “they got bought” but it’s not true, at least not for the 4 or 5 guilds that came to NSP. You all seem like you’re guessing.

So stop one second. You are talking to someone who’s played a ridiculous amount of gw2 with the leaders of those guilds. Countless hours, helping, trying to improve the team, organizing events, server trainings, heck I’ve even driven their guild from time to time.

I’m not some random player who knows nothing about the community I play on. And never did I suggest NSP bought guilds.

Yeah man, I can see you’re taking this personally. Don’t mean to call you out, it’s actually this Lunacy guy…

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

Sadly it’s how it is when guilds are paid to move, and servers want to be stacked and do everything they can to do so, even to move to another server and take it over and pay more guilds to move there.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

If it wasn’t for some paying for multiple guilds to move so their server can have more people than the enemy, WvW may have balanced out better over time. With the way things have been, buying guilds, etc., that won’t happen now.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

The consolidation of people through ‘buying guilds’ etc., has directly and indirectly led to the current situation.

I was trying to politely say, “Hey, the guilds didn’t get bought, they just didn’t like the situation there” but was obviously too vague.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

Welcome to WvW >.>

Sadly it’s how it is when guilds are paid to move, and servers want to be stacked and do everything they can to do so, even to move to another server and take it over and pay more guilds to move there.

ugh
Sadly there’s not really anything Anet can do, except that it’s likely new accounts will be added to ET over others, but idk if the system gives preference like that

While, yes there are servers bribing guilds to transfer, you should not discount the vast majority who leave server on their own accord due to gameplay being stale. Uneven matches, K Trains, lack of fights, and conflicts in server community are by far the main reasons guilds change server and is far more common. Truth is most players want teams to play with regardless of when they log in on their server and on their opposition. It is no fun to face roll another server, be face rolled, play a map with just a few people, fight the same people day in and day out or cap things without a fight. That gets extremely boring very fast.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

Liston.9708:

The reward for stacking is minimal 2 extra chests of usually blues or greens…. People that stack to the higher tiers do so for reasons other than 2 extra weekly chests….

You would be surprised…

But it would apply more so for the WvW Seasons. The last one saw people bail off of a server that was definitely not going to win 1st, for such a measly reward, and there was nothing that would discourage them from doing so. Prior ones locked you out of wvw for a bit when you transferred.

It’s crazy to do so over such paltry rewards, but sadly there are people that do that :/

For tourney yes. There hasn’t been one for ages and there is none publicly announced, so this does not explain any transfers (well maybe a few) for what 6 months? Someone else listed several reasons that make much more sense than rewards.

timmyf.1490:

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

Sadly it’s how it is when guilds are paid to move, and servers want to be stacked and do everything they can to do so, even to move to another server and take it over and pay more guilds to move there.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

If it wasn’t for some paying for multiple guilds to move so their server can have more people than the enemy, WvW may have balanced out better over time. With the way things have been, buying guilds, etc., that won’t happen now.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

The consolidation of people through ‘buying guilds’ etc., has directly and indirectly led to the current situation.

I was trying to politely say, “Hey, the guilds didn’t get bought, they just didn’t like the situation there” but was obviously too vague.

General sense for wvw, not explicit sense as in this is why ET lost people. It was related to what I was replying to, and out of context is misunderstood. But I suppose I too was too vague? I have no idea on the ET/NSP guilds moving situation, it’s a different server and the move of another to them that I know things about, and have said that. It’s going on even now though in some places, that some people are paying guilds to move, but let me reiterate, I do not know if this applies to ET/NSP now or recently, that clear enough?

Liston.9708:

For tourney yes. There hasn’t been one for ages and there is none publicly announced, so this does not explain any transfers (well maybe a few) for what 6 months? Someone else listed several reasons that make much more sense than rewards.

Specific to ET/NSP the reasons listed by I think you and another are probably likely.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

It’s going on even now though in some places, that some people are paying guilds to move, but let me reiterate, I do not know if this applies to ET/NSP now or recently, that clear enough?

Yeah, that’s fair. I appreciate the clarification.

timmyf.1490:

Dano.5298:

timmyf.1490:

Dano.5298:

timmyf.1490:

Have you guys asked the guilds that left why they left? There’s a lot of speculation here, but why not just reach out and ask?

Nope never thought of that one!

Lol cmon yo

You guys just keep saying stuff like “they got bought” but it’s not true, at least not for the 4 or 5 guilds that came to NSP. You all seem like you’re guessing.

So stop one second. You are talking to someone who’s played a ridiculous amount of gw2 with the leaders of those guilds. Countless hours, helping, trying to improve the team, organizing events, server trainings, heck I’ve even driven their guild from time to time.

I’m not some random player who knows nothing about the community I play on. And never did I suggest NSP bought guilds.

Yeah man, I can see you’re taking this personally. Don’t mean to call you out, it’s actually this Lunacy guy…

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

Sadly it’s how it is when guilds are paid to move, and servers want to be stacked and do everything they can to do so, even to move to another server and take it over and pay more guilds to move there.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

If it wasn’t for some paying for multiple guilds to move so their server can have more people than the enemy, WvW may have balanced out better over time. With the way things have been, buying guilds, etc., that won’t happen now.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

The consolidation of people through ‘buying guilds’ etc., has directly and indirectly led to the current situation.

I was trying to politely say, “Hey, the guilds didn’t get bought, they just didn’t like the situation there” but was obviously too vague.

I wasn’t taking it personally… my interest in this thread was first to try clarify some misconceptions and second give my two cents on what I believe would help improve this game and game mode. Thats all…. I wasn’t trying to get all up on NSP or get mad that ppl move guilds sometimes. No salt here, except for the overall fact that server pop is madly imbalanced!

Dano.5298:

No salt here, except for the overall fact that server pop is madly imbalanced!

Question for you, though: does the imbalance across all tiers (i.e. kitten T8) bother you, or are you more concerned about intra-tier matchups?

I feel like the biggest problem we have is that there are HUGE Glicko cliffs between servers in the rankings. Example chart attached showing some of the “problem areas.” (Non-zero axis intentional to emphasize differences between servers.)

The basic problem, as I tried to indicate with green boxes, is that there are servers that are roughly balanced, but they don’t fit within the current tiers all that well. There’s either 4 of them that are even, or 3 split across tiers, etc.

Like many have said, Anet can’t fix this, and it moves so quickly any attempt would fail horribly.

Anyway, I like seeing it in graphical form, I think it makes the problem pretty obvious.

I’m on Borliss Pass. We lost to Erradon Terrace several times only a few weeks ago.

T8 fighting is so intense. In T1, if you win a fight, you might get some bags or get a chance to take a keep. In T8, if you win a fight, players will quit.

So instead of getting a keep, you could be getting a keep for an hour based just on that fight.

The stakes of every battle are really that high. Every move you make, matters a ton. Your player base isn’t small for t8 or even for t7. I saw this with my own eyes. Your server has morale problems,. Your players need to win or they will quit. When you win, everybody comes out and stays out. When you lose, ghost town.

Mostly this means that you need commanders and better/smarter commanders. And you need your up levels to hit lvl 80 already. They are ruining things or your server.

timmyf.1490:

Dano.5298:

No salt here, except for the overall fact that server pop is madly imbalanced!

Question for you, though: does the imbalance across all tiers (i.e. kitten T8) bother you, or are you more concerned about intra-tier matchups?

I feel like the biggest problem we have is that there are HUGE Glicko cliffs between servers in the rankings. Example chart attached showing some of the “problem areas.” (Non-zero axis intentional to emphasize differences between servers.)

The basic problem, as I tried to indicate with green boxes, is that there are servers that are roughly balanced, but they don’t fit within the current tiers all that well. There’s either 4 of them that are even, or 3 split across tiers, etc.

Like many have said, Anet can’t fix this, and it moves so quickly any attempt would fail horribly.

Anyway, I like seeing it in graphical form, I think it makes the problem pretty obvious.

Def I think across the tiers pop imbalance is the worst thing in my mind. Obv I’d like to see fair match ups as well but those matter little to me in comparison to across tier pop imbalance. I think its silly that a server can be completely outclassed even if they move up 1 tier! More important to my play style anyways, it means stale fights and a lot of enemies running from our group :/

nekretaal.6485:

I’m on Borliss Pass. We lost to Erradon Terrace several times only a few weeks ago.

T8 fighting is so intense. In T1, if you win a fight, you might get some bags or get a chance to take a keep. In T8, if you win a fight, players will quit.

So instead of getting a keep, you could be getting a keep for an hour based just on that fight.

The stakes of every battle are really that high. Every move you make, matters a ton. Your player base isn’t small for t8 or even for t7. I saw this with my own eyes. Your server has morale problems,. Your players need to win or they will quit. When you win, everybody comes out and stays out. When you lose, ghost town.

Mostly this means that you need commanders and better/smarter commanders. And you need your up levels to hit lvl 80 already. They are ruining things or your server.

Its been a long while since we faced BP, and I keep saying that I really enjoyed those match ups. We can say the same for your server though, remember there are more time zones than just the one you play on.

Dano.5298:

nekretaal.6485:

I’m on Borliss Pass. We lost to Erradon Terrace several times only a few weeks ago.

T8 fighting is so intense. In T1, if you win a fight, you might get some bags or get a chance to take a keep. In T8, if you win a fight, players will quit.

So instead of getting a keep, you could be getting a keep for an hour based just on that fight.

The stakes of every battle are really that high. Every move you make, matters a ton. Your player base isn’t small for t8 or even for t7. I saw this with my own eyes. Your server has morale problems,. Your players need to win or they will quit. When you win, everybody comes out and stays out. When you lose, ghost town.

Mostly this means that you need commanders and better/smarter commanders. And you need your up levels to hit lvl 80 already. They are ruining things or your server.

Its been a long while since we faced BP, and I keep saying that I really enjoyed those match ups. We can say the same for your server though, remember there are more time zones than just the one you play on.

Yeah that’s just the fairweather effect. It happens on every server.

When you’re winning and you don’t need them, they come out to play. When you’re losing and you do need them they’re no where to be found.

Curo.2483:

Terrahero.9358:

A good first start for anet would be to stop rewarding stacking.

Then they can look into rewarding destacking.

Anet doesn’t reward stacking though. Even in terms of coming 1st in a matchup and getting crappy bonus chests, a win in t1 is the same as a win in t8. People stack because they want to win, but not because they want rewards for winning. They get a good feeling from both killing other people in the game, and from having higher score. They like the instant gratification (I’m better than you), and don’t even consider that they will rise up in the ranks and face stronger servers, and lose, and then subsequently bandwagon somewhere else and start the whole process over again.

And in this post, I’d like to draw the difference between different “mass transfers” and their impacts on the game. 5 guilds left ET because they simply didn’t enjoy the gaming environment. 18 guilds went from DB to HoD for the instant gratification stuff that I talked about earlier. Not all transfers are stacking, just to be clear!

I guess i imagined the part where the higher the server ranked during any of the 3 seasons so far the more tickets they got towards a very limited and unique selection of rewards.
Besides that you get to roflstomp through EotM. Easy karma, easy leveling.

You may not think its a terrible big reward, but it’s a reward nonetheless and actively encourages stacking, whether intented or not. And it’s more than the actions taken that reward destacking, of which the counter is still stuck on zero.

Gold, silver bronze got the same rewards for the same placement for the same finish – albeit the dolyak finisher was different.

Hod stacked for tourney and destacked just as fast when it ended. Either way, tourneys haven’t happened for like 6 months so hardly a current reason for stacking with no new tourney on the horizon.

The eotm twist of rolling green could be a factor, but then those peeps aren’t in real wvw where points count anyway – so net affect of 0.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

BAITness.1083:

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It isn’t possible no matter how small the guild is. Every server I have ever been on has helped new guilds move in by donating what small amount they can, but it is never enough for more than a handful of players. It is just the server trying to help their new guild, and I have both donated to and been the benefactor of it on various server moves going between multiple tier 1 servers, and t2 and t3 as well. Every server does this (or at least every server I have been on, played against, or had friends on), and I am glad they do.

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lol? I think you misunderstand some things. I know of, for a fact, that some servers have in fact bought entire guilds, paid for each member to move, and paid for those guilds to recoup the influence they need to redo all the build queues etc they need (of course the need for the influence was before the guild ‘chapters’ were merged). Some on a server decide they need more coverage in a different time zone, and they pay for that entire guild to move.

As well as ~10 guilds can move as an entire unit, to a new server, with a few footing a lot of the cost. Don’t think it happens? It does whether you choose to believe or not.

Edit: Crazy though. And to respond to a part I snipped out, I hate neighbors that move in and demand the entire neighborhood changes how they do things, and forces it upon them when they don’t want to.

No need to be rude, I was just speaking from experience of playing on many different servers that were accused of it, and have never seen funds even close to covering a 20 man guild move – even with the entire server on board to help.

I was on JQ when they first started doing it and the paltry sums we managed to raise were an insignificant amount compared to the total cost. I was on Blackgate when they were accused of it and they had even less gold. I did not play on TC or SoR but had many friends that did and they did not get much gold either. I played on lower tier servers that were also generous but unable to raise that much. Gems are expensive and transferring to the top few servers makes it even worse. Getting 5000 gold together just cover the cost of a guild so tiny they would struggle to play havok. For the guild sizes that people were claiming were bought, you were looking at claims of 30k and over – for one guild.

When servers were offering to help it wasn’t at the demand of the guild mind you. It always would end up that a guild would transfer but some of the members were unable to afford it at the time. One time that was me and I was the benefactor of it (part of my cost was donated).

Through playing Tier1, T2, and T3 servers no server I was ever on nor any server I ever had friends on came close to footing the cost for an entire guild. Adding more on top of that was absolutely out of the question.

It did not stop people accusing each other of it though. A lot of times it seemed that people just didn’t believe that guilds would transfer looking for fights in their timezone, but it happened a lot for Asian prime time and I know several guilds transferred looking to fight IRON when they were at their peak.

If you have evidence that someone is actually raising enough to supply the full transfer, and bribes on top of that, you really should bring it forward. That would in fact be very messed up, and another reason to add to the list for WvW’s slow demise.

Terrahero.9358:

I guess i imagined the part where the higher the server ranked during any of the 3 seasons so far the more tickets they got towards a very limited and unique selection of rewards.
Besides that you get to roflstomp through EotM. Easy karma, easy leveling.

You may not think its a terrible big reward, but it’s a reward nonetheless and actively encourages stacking, whether intented or not. And it’s more than the actions taken that reward destacking, of which the counter is still stuck on zero.

Sorry, I thought we were talking about current events… :P

BAITness.1083:

If you have evidence that someone is actually raising enough to supply the full transfer, and bribes on top of that, you really should bring it forward. That would in fact be very messed up, and another reason to add to the list for WvW’s slow demise.

I heard that FA paid 80k gold to transfer IoJ people. Just a thing I heard. Not claiming it’s evidence.

BAITness.1083:

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

BAITness.1083:

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It isn’t possible no matter how small the guild is. Every server I have ever been on has helped new guilds move in by donating what small amount they can, but it is never enough for more than a handful of players. It is just the server trying to help their new guild, and I have both donated to and been the benefactor of it on various server moves going between multiple tier 1 servers, and t2 and t3 as well. Every server does this (or at least every server I have been on, played against, or had friends on), and I am glad they do.

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lol? I think you misunderstand some things. I know of, for a fact, that some servers have in fact bought entire guilds, paid for each member to move, and paid for those guilds to recoup the influence they need to redo all the build queues etc they need (of course the need for the influence was before the guild ‘chapters’ were merged). Some on a server decide they need more coverage in a different time zone, and they pay for that entire guild to move.

As well as ~10 guilds can move as an entire unit, to a new server, with a few footing a lot of the cost. Don’t think it happens? It does whether you choose to believe or not.

Edit: Crazy though. And to respond to a part I snipped out, I hate neighbors that move in and demand the entire neighborhood changes how they do things, and forces it upon them when they don’t want to.

No need to be rude, I was just speaking from experience of playing on many different servers that were accused of it, and have never seen funds even close to covering a 20 man guild move – even with the entire server on board to help.

I was on JQ when they first started doing it and the paltry sums we managed to raise were an insignificant amount compared to the total cost. I was on Blackgate when they were accused of it and they had even less gold. I did not play on TC or SoR but had many friends that did and they did not get much gold either. I played on lower tier servers that were also generous but unable to raise that much. Gems are expensive and transferring to the top few servers makes it even worse. Getting 5000 gold together just cover the cost of a guild so tiny they would struggle to play havok. For the guild sizes that people were claiming were bought, you were looking at claims of 30k and over – for one guild.

When servers were offering to help it wasn’t at the demand of the guild mind you. It always would end up that a guild would transfer but some of the members were unable to afford it at the time. One time that was me and I was the benefactor of it (part of my cost was donated).

Through playing Tier1, T2, and T3 servers no server I was ever on nor any server I ever had friends on came close to footing the cost for an entire guild. Adding more on top of that was absolutely out of the question.

It did not stop people accusing each other of it though. A lot of times it seemed that people just didn’t believe that guilds would transfer looking for fights in their timezone, but it happened a lot for Asian prime time and I know several guilds transferred looking to fight IRON when they were at their peak.

If you have evidence that someone is actually raising enough to supply the full transfer, and bribes on top of that, you really should bring it forward. That would in fact be very messed up, and another reason to add to the list for WvW’s slow demise.

I know without a doubt that a T1 server paid for a guild to move in entirety about a year ago now (others around that time were speculation, but this one example I know for sure).

Supposedly 55k gold was spent when the DB guilds moved to HoD less than 2 months ago, so they said, supposedly by one person, idk, and apart from the constant power grab attempts, idc.

I know of attempts to pay for some non-NA guilds to move have at least been offered.

I know of some others that were either fully paid for or ‘matched’ gold for gold or something akin to that, either way result is essentially the same.

BAITness.1083:

I was on JQ when they first started doing it and the paltry sums we managed to raise were an insignificant amount compared to the total cost. I was on Blackgate when they were accused of it and they had even less gold. I did not play on TC or SoR but had many friends that did and they did not get much gold either. I played on lower tier servers that were also generous but unable to raise that much. Gems are expensive and transferring to the top few servers makes it even worse. Getting 5000 gold together just cover the cost of a guild so tiny they would struggle to play havok. For the guild sizes that people were claiming were bought, you were looking at claims of 30k and over – for one guild.

If you were just a player on a server how would you know for sure?

morrolan.9608:

BAITness.1083:

I was on JQ when they first started doing it and the paltry sums we managed to raise were an insignificant amount compared to the total cost. I was on Blackgate when they were accused of it and they had even less gold. I did not play on TC or SoR but had many friends that did and they did not get much gold either. I played on lower tier servers that were also generous but unable to raise that much. Gems are expensive and transferring to the top few servers makes it even worse. Getting 5000 gold together just cover the cost of a guild so tiny they would struggle to play havok. For the guild sizes that people were claiming were bought, you were looking at claims of 30k and over – for one guild.

If you were just a player on a server how would you know for sure?

Because I was donating gold, I was leader of a small guild for awhile, and was friends with other guild leaders. When a guild requested help you of course ask them how many people they are trying to move. The most I saw raised was around 4k iirc, nowhere near the amounts required for a single guild.

I see someone above says they know 55k was raised at one point, which to me is an insane amount. I have not been playing recently as I had given up on GW2, but I thought I would come back because I was excited about the expansion. I do not know how much inflation has occurred but 55k is an amount far far far beyond the most concentrated efforts I ever saw (4k as I said above).

Edit: I reread that carefully, I got ahead of myself. The 55k was not the one they were sure about, the 55k was what they had heard about a different move.

Could you say how much you know was spent? I know you won’t have screenshots or anything but if it was anything more than a tiny guild the amount of gold would be so significant that I would think it would be impossible to hide.

Once again, going off my own experience, I never donated more than 15g that I can remember. Assuming people are twice as generous as I am, that would be 30g for a donation. Then assuming 2000 people that are active and care about WvW enough to donate… that gets you to 60k gold, which could cover that rumored donation above.

Still, those numbers are crazy to me. I do not see any amount of organization pulling that off. Maybe people have a lot more gold now, or maybe there are large numbers of players that want to donate to WvW but not play, but neither of those seem likely to me. I do not see how a server could be capable of raising that kind of money but not capable of fielding around 240 players full time.

Like I said above though, I am not expecting people to produce screenshots of the thousands of gold changing hands. If they say they know it for certain, you can just take that at face value. I just know how little truth there was in the original few accusations of buying guilds, I do not know for a fact that it has not happened more recently.

Curo.2483:

I heard that FA paid 80k gold to transfer IoJ people. Just a thing I heard. Not claiming it’s evidence.

Looking at GW2Spidy gem price history combined with the leaked details of conversations FA had with IoJ leadership during that time. FA was willing to fully pay for up to 35 players from IoJ. This equates to roughly 8.5-10k gold. A number that is well within the expected range and nowhere near the rumoured numbers.

Oh the 55k would have been paid for by DB for DB to transfer. It was up to 18 guilds at the time but some of the guilds paid their own way and weren’t counted in that gold total.

HoD wasn’t in the habit of buying guilds (although if you have to count the DB transfers as HoD, then I guess it is in the habit now). It’s dumb, and they will leave at the next ‘better offer’. The ones I knew were bought had not only the transfer costs paid, but the influence the guild needed at the time to build back buffs, which I suppose even counting rushing upgrades were probably only the cost to transfer 1-2 people.

Any amount would be guessing with a wide variance since I didn’t ask what the total was because I didn’t care. There are numerous other incidents that could have been paid or at least partially contributed to, but most is just rumor and nothing to back those up, apart from one where someone was supposedly (and did admit to being) paid a legendary 2 years ago to move…. Those I say I know of, were because the information came directly from those involved, the 55k is just what was said I think by the one that supposedly paid it so again idk on that. (That number though doesn’t fit other things he has said either and would actually seem far too low… Of course I don’t think anything he said should be taken at face value, and it isn’t just because I’m biased against, other things said and done back that up but that’s a different rant. Regardless that many people moved and all that gold and more was spent to move… )

It is ridiculous, and all this gold and $ being spent to move people just furthers this whole player created mess with the servers.

Eredon Terrace is my homeworld, I love playing WvW but its very difficult on this server and I’ve even thought about transferring servers.

With that being said, I do think that we need smaller WvW groups and guilds, each guild assigned to doing a specific task in the world with a “King” guild there to watch over everything. If we Eredonian’s joined together and played out with actual strategy and practice then I believe we can put our server back on the map.

Set toxicity aside, I’ve been a loyal part of the server and wish to remain one, the players I’ve encountered have always been helpful and never snobbish. If we can regroup the community in a healthy way then we can get back to being tier 1.

If you think this a good idea OP then message me and we can meet up in game to talk it over.

Boots.2849:

Curo.2483:

I heard that FA paid 80k gold to transfer IoJ people. Just a thing I heard. Not claiming it’s evidence.

Looking at GW2Spidy gem price history combined with the leaked details of conversations FA had with IoJ leadership during that time. FA was willing to fully pay for up to 35 players from IoJ. This equates to roughly 8.5-10k gold. A number that is well within the expected range and nowhere near the rumoured numbers.

lol that was an interesting time. At that point, we were discussing the nuclear option of mass recruitment. With quite a few ex-IoJ on FA from IoJ’s previous exodus, it was a solid potential recruitment ground. An insane offer was extended and politely refused, in the name of server community.

Word was out, though, and many of IoJ’s guilds ended up moving to FA in the following weeks and months. I don’t have the exact amount of transfer assistance given on hand, but it certainly wasn’t close to 80k.

I will say, though, that no more overtures were made after the first one, and all of the IoJ guilds approached FA with the desire to move, and asked if we might be able to help them. With or without transfer assistance, they were set on moving to FA. We just felt it was generous to help them as we could. It was the same story for 95% of FA’s transfers.

If you want to find a way to attract guilds to your server, look at the example of BG, FA’s recent transfer drive (including the now-retired transfer assistance to FA expats wanting to return, usually to play with old friends), or Mag’s recent rise. Each of them retained (most) of the guilds that they helped to transfer.