Guild Wars 2

@albi i can’t quote you i dunno why .
Anyway i do agree that VS is more organized then us and as i’ve already said 20 times they would win also without night capping , but people just skip my text and keep using the whine word ( maybe because similar spelled to wine and you are french <—- this is a joke ) .
Also they assume russians ( Nug, ZDs etc ) are leading us when mostly people from Psyc ( psychosis ? ) guild are trying to coordinate the zerg while some of the russians commander never said a single word in team/map chat.
Not whining at all , just demanding a balance of what IMO is a game breaking issue , but i already know this isn’t going to happen , must accept it and stick to sPvP.

@Mescaline yeah quote is broken from time to time :-/

I was not specifically referring to you in the “whinners”, it’s just the general feeling I get from all these posts about the imbalance, the Canadians etc.

I even agree with you that there should be some sort of balancing, as I said reducing the points when a server is outnumbered would work.

At last, I don’t think it’s game breaking, it just will take some time to have eventually better matchmaking or to have the possibility to motivate the population of your server, to get some guilds to create night teams or even to make an alliance between Deso and FS. It’s just that it’s not something that will come up right during the first big week WvW event, it will take time.
I guess the next week will be probably more challenging for us, I’m sure some FS and Deso big guilds are already making alliances to ruin us :-D

so because you are losing ground when you are sleeping arenanet should implement it that you dont lose as much points because of that?

No. What Arenanet should look at and implement is a way to ensure a smooth experience for literally 95% + of the the entire player base. He may be asleep at night but so is almost the entire rest of the server.

i also work nightshifts, i also am more awake at night then during daytime, so i should be punished because i do…

It’s not about punishing you. It’s about the greater good. The overwhelming majority of players has a busy life outside the game, with a steady job, a family, responsibilities that prohibit nolifing it out during night time.

Literally 98% of a servers population is asleep during the off hours 2AM-6AM at least. Well, most anyway.

It sucks if you’re in the 2% but for the greater good, the other 98%, the game should put mechanics into place that provide an enjoyable experience to MOST players.

Because this IS just a game. Remember that. If you have fun fighting and beating the gates and PvEing it out that’s just sad. Listen, I have been called a nolifer myself at times, I just never lost my ability of objective and rational thinking.

WvW is almost impossible to get right, and if things continue the way they have been going so far it will be dead in this game before too long – just like any other game that ever attempted this kind of mass scale pvp and failed (except DAoC which was just as bad but people were more forgiving due to the novelty)

Yup perfect balance = imposible, there has to be a winner and a second place and a third place.
But the way battles are won or lost makes all the diffrence.

No1 wants to resume play in the morning to get spawncamped for 2 hours untill you have some decent numbers to repell the enemy’s.

And from there on its an massive uphill battle to regain controll over your own lands that are mostly upgraded and full of sieges to make your life even harder with lower numbers then the enemy’s

It takes alot of effort for the people who play in the early hours to regain controll.
And it created a shockwave on our server to…people are already losing any sence of trying to win and upgrade forts.

They get taken anyway when they are going to bed so is it worth it ?
I realy hope Anet is finding some epic solutions to this, as the upcomming 4 days versus the server we play against are bad enough, let alone we face them another week.

I think many will tranfer off or .quit if they bought GW2 for WvW.

Or wait until things ’d be balanced by themself with 2-weeks matches

But I know it’s hard to not have everything when we want because we paid for, especially in video games.

Hmm i wonder how Anet is going to balance server VS / FS they are ranked #1 and #2 :P
letting us drop a bracket means no fun for ranks number 4 /5
Letting us stay in the bracket means / quit

Friday / saturday is rematching day is it ?

Maybe because things change and new servers with nightime presence will appear match after match. And maybe FS and Deso won’t be high end servers as A.net think it should be.

Current ranking has been done from 24h cycle and reflects only servers being able to do a sprint not a marathon as A.net wants his WvWvW to be.

The fall will be hard for a lot of people.

Remember, we have only seen 24h matches atm. Now, high end WvWvW will start after 1-week cycle with 2-weeks one.

I realy hope you are right Kingface, and i realy hope we do not have the same matchup next week

just look at the map….

everyday at peak time we own them..just look how much gap we close,everyday same.
but we all know at night when we will all go to sleep the world will return to green.

LiliOups.5327:

just look at the map….

everyday at peak time we own them..just look how much gap we close,everyday same.
but we all know at night when we will all go to sleep the world will return to green.

then that is probably a sign that you take it back when they’re ‘asleep’.

I said limiting population differentials would be the best way to fix it, people dont like it. So you have to take what you get I suppose. If one servers is always going to dominate in the numbers department they are always going to win, it is that simple, just by the way scoring goes.

Strategy and tactics will work short term (as long as those people are around) but then numbers take over. Strategy and tactics when outnumbered 2 to 1 or more arent going to help either. Not the way the game is now.

So people can use all the rhetoric they want if your vastly outnumbered in WvW you dont have a chance for any long term success.

Organized, unorganized, communicating, not communicating, irrelevant if faced with overwhelming numbers.

You should renew your sack of trolls dude. It’s old news.

For other people, please don’t feed low trolls like this one.

LiliOups.5327:

just look at the map….

everyday at peak time we own them..just look how much gap we close,everyday same.
but we all know at night when we will all go to sleep the world will return to green.

Your thoughts about yesterday’s prime time ?

Oh wait …

Me and my friends are just going for another game until this problem is fixed, we are hardcore players and our end game is wvwvw so if its broken fix it or the game is dead for us.
Its a simple fix, just balance the number of players on battle grounds so we can go to a low population server this will reduce the queue time by spreading ppl to servers and also prevent night raid against empty servers

kefro.9312:

Me and my friends are just going for another game until this problem is fixed, we are hardcore players and our end game is wvwvw so if its broken fix it or the game is dead for us.
Its a simple fix, just balance the number of players on battle grounds so we can go to a low population server this will reduce the queue time by spreading ppl to servers and also prevent night raid against empty servers

If you are “hardcore” wvwvw players, then find a few buddies like you and come later to fight our night teams, we are never more than 10 guys.

And your solution is bad, my alliance has more than 2k players on VS, if you want the servers population to be parted equally between the servers, that mean we’ll be able to get bigger organized groups of the alliance in the battlefield. Right now we have to fight with a majority of players being random pickups. You don’t want to fight versus a map full of players following the same lead on vocal.

You night players seem to be so entitled. “Come later to fight our night teams” as if everyone could actually do that. And you almost act like sleeping is some sort of a crime in “hardcore” scene.

I’ve just spent about 20mins reading though all these comments and I have to agree that NightCapping (past say 1AM EU time) needs to be countered some how, it is not fun to log on in the morning and have NO hope of capping anything as everything is fully defended….
This is a bit harsh I know but I wish the servers were region locked

Hrist.8972:

You night players seem to be so entitled. “Come later to fight our night teams” as if everyone could actually do that. And you almost act like sleeping is some sort of a crime in “hardcore” scene.

Well yeah, I consider that someone tagging himself as a “hardcore player” might be able to fight during the night because that is a part of the game…

Hardcore means fully dedicated player in my book. I’m not a hardcore player, I just play when I have time, same goes for most of the players in the night teams, yes, some of them play really a lot but most are just regular guys preferring to play during the night.

You just totally overthought my post, I play maybe 2 hours per day, I’m just level 40. I’m not talking about any “scene”. I’m just reacting to the post above.

And, it has been said already tons of times, there are as many players on VS and on FS at, say, 5am. It’s just a question of organization, while we play as a team the opposing players are just doing puzzle jumps. I’m not saying that to imply that the players are bad or anything, just that they lack leadership around these hours, and maybe some hardcore 3W players is what they need to fight against the nightcaping.

I remember a group of 10-15 FS players who were camping at the jumping puzzles at night (4am) with siege engines. Why would you waste supplies and reinforcements there ?
Attacking a fully upgraded fort is actually fun. There was one today, we had to setup 2 trebuchet to destroy a wall because we just couldn’t force through the doors. We needed scouts to send feedbacks for trebuchets and setup a team to protect the trebuchets. Then they started repairing this wall, so we had to dispatch small groups in order to cut the supply behind ennemy lines. It took us 2h30 to take that fort. That is what I call WvW.

So, ladies and gentlemen, it’s time to conclude this topic. Let us please put together the indisputable verified facts and clever educated deductions we all figured :

- Far Shiverpeaks is a russian server.

- Vizunah Square is an international server, it shelters 50% French, 25% Canadians and 25% other people around the globe known as being timezones mercenaries like australians, for example.

- Far Shiverpeaks is a server populated by hard-earning, 14 hours-shifts 6 days-week workers, they only do WvW during 8-12pm therefore any activies not included in this particular time frame are infamous exploits, blatant abuses and must be punished by making several threads on official forums.

- Vizunah Square is a server which shelters unemployed people who can play WvW around the clock while having a decent life, thanks to french welfare system. This server is also secretly populated by canadian guilds whose, as le Batman, only act within the shadows. There are a lot of them, but their numbers and guild names are classified. They don’t exist. They’re not even on this server. They’re Roswell, or Elvis’ death ; they’re myths, urban legends forged by lunatics.

- Far Shiverpeaks does very well during daytime, getting most of the time ahead, score wise. But they’re upset for a very particular reason : while they sleep, there is a very weird circus going on in WvW : french ninja lemmings are gathering around, organizing themselves in groups to kill doors and take over the whole map and therefore discarding Shiverpeaks hard work during daytime. This behaviour is known as “nightcapping”, it’s infamous, it’s lame, it’s Brojley (which isn’t even a word) but it’s legit, hence Shiverpeaks vivid annoyance.

- Vizunah Square do nightcapping like champions. They didn’t invent it, they’ve taken it from others and mastered it through the ages, slowly becoming specialists of that fine craft. They’re figured daytime fights are useless since the game favors night time playing. Like most vampires, they sleep during the day and bleed their victimes during the night. Vizunah Square people also like making jokes, like inventing 500+ canadian hebrew speaking age +35 guilds to upset other people. Some might refer it as “trolling”, “for the lulz” or simply “le lol”. They’re also very amused when Far Shiverpeaks don’t get these kind of jokes, because it instanly forges myths about who’s really playing on Vizunah (canadians, australians, or even French people let’s be crazy here).

- Far Shiverpeaks frown upon Vizunah Square because, while they only beat them one time out of 20, they think they deserve more credit because they don’t use dirty tactics like nightcapping or employ people from canada or australia to do the dirty job during the night. They’re heavily upset and they want the world to know it.

- Vizunah Square has 2 kind of people : the ones being quite amused with all the fuss, taking dramas with a pinch of salt, also a smile. Next to them, you have a few french people (you would mind their awful English skills) endlessly stating on forums Vizunah doesn’t have canadians or australians, Shiverpeaks being sore losers, etc. And they both speak together at the same time. It’s quite confusing for Shiverpeaks, it’s like they’re having voices in their heads telling both truth and lies at the same time.

TL;DR : Vizunah is schizophrenic, Shiverpeaks is paranoid, and that’s why everyone is going mental (that pun was intented). Good night and good luck.

Bondurant.1540:

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Best thing I ever read on these forums. Good job.

hey FS, stop crying and l2p

Early in this discussion, someone said that ArenaNet should make a US server dedicated to french canadian (or simply to the french language).
I’m a french canadian and i can tell you that most other french talking people from the Quebec province wouldn’t like that to happen.
Me, i would have like it a lot, but it’s too late. Most quebecers guilds i know of have chosen the Northen Shiverpeak as a home world and changing server would imply loosing all earn influence and the guild bank. Ok, the content could be moved, but it would be a pain.
By the way, i also have some friends on the “Fort Ranik [Fr]” and i have to change server to play with them. But since I dont do WvW a lot…
I wanted to add this tiny bits of informations even though i can’t comment on the big problem here, if there really is a problem. Anyway, i hope some guys at Anet will see this and hopefully they will manage to make a few needed tweaks someday.

@Bondurant.1540

Great post.

le lol

Kees.2573:

hey FS, stop crying and l2p

l2p ?

dont worry dude..we show during the day who can play and who can not ?

on the other side tho….setting the alarm around 3-4 in the morning so u can fight npc’s and gates hmmm….. i wonder if its you who need to l2p.

In France at 2h09am :

-World Désolation : Full
-World Far Shiverpeaks : Full
-World Vizunah Square : Hight

Far Shiverpeaks and full, then the problem is not Anet, the problem is not French players, the problem just you.

If they balance players numbers in border lands Vizunah Square just drops to the last places cause now they only do night capture vs npc taking 100% of map and get beaten during day even with the full upgraded keeps they took over night

You forgot that VS loose almost everyday all the map they claimed in the night at the morning coz they sleep…kitten frakin morning cappers !

Or coz in russia for exemple, the day begin earlier… I suggest to move russian to US serveur to stick with aussies.

ZeFeKa.4578:

You forgot that VS loose almost everyday all the map they claimed in the night at the morning coz they sleep…kitten frakin morning cappers !

Or coz in russia for exemple, the day begin earlier… I suggest to move russian to US serveur to stick with aussies.

how do you explain the server Far Shiverpeaks is full now ?

anw ppl….

the time here were i live is 3:47 morning

eternal battleground MAX 5(im among them) fs against 60-80 canadians-french taking out tier 3 towers in less than a min and sm in 2min max.

To the idiots claiming servers are full now, Full just means the server is full, not literally right now but in general. It means noone can transfer to them as they have hit there current cap. Deso or FS were prob full at 6pm yesterday hitting the Full limit, and no matter who is online(It can be 3 or 3000 people online) it will still state Full. Until Anet increase the cap.

stop using daft lies to claim the french are not using canadians or w/e to steamroll the maps in the middle of the night, noone believes it. That and yous are cheats who transfer to enemy servers to friendly lift the orb out to french server players -.-

CandyCute.1067:

how do you explain the server Far Shiverpeaks is full now ?

CandyCute.1067:

In France at 2h09am :
-World Désolation : Full
-World Far Shiverpeaks : Full
-World Vizunah Square : Hight

Such stupidity

Just saying.. I’m soon of to NA servers so I can enjoy playing WvW at night.
I took 7 screenshots tonight to prove the point.

http://imgur.com/a/z47az

I’m playing on Vizunah Square and all that i can tell is that nightcapping isn’t a myth… It’s a true problem for our server and for the ones we are playing against. The only people who are going to tell you otherwise are those who like easy wins or the kiddos/lamers who believes that being on VS make them some kind of elite and that can’t take any criticism. Honestly i don’t really see how people on VS can have fun or be proud of winning in this situation. Last weekend has been a proof of that with VS being beaten on daytime and taking back all the maps in no time at night. At 4 AM we had 10K points less than FS, and at 8 AM on Monday we had 30 K more…

The most obvious option would be to divide the number of points granted during nightime or raise the number of points taken during peak times (that should be around 4 PM to 1AM in Europe, but Anet knows that better than us). Limit the upgrades available at night too. I am not saying that VS can’t win without nightcapping, because we have very organized guilds and alliances with talented RVR players. But i would prefer to win in other conditions and with more equity. Right now with nightcapping, winning just doesn’t prove anything.

And for the people who are saying they would be penalized by such a rule because they can only play at night, please tell me how the WWW at night is enjoyable… Empty forts taken by the Vizunah bus in PVE mode and Vizunah players camping at the others servers’s respawn with siege weapons … Definitely great fun and enjoyment.

Reese.4183:

I’m playing on Vizunah Square and all that i can tell is that nightcapping isn’t a myth… It’s a true problem for our server and for the ones we are playing against. The only people who are going to tell you otherwise are those who like easy wins or the kiddos/lamers who believes that being on VS make them some kind of elite and that can’t take any criticism. Honestly i don’t really see how people on VS can have fun or be proud of winning in this situation. Last weekend has been a proof of that with VS being beaten on daytime and taking back all the maps in no time at night. At 4 AM we had 10K points less than FS, and at 8 AM on Monday we had 30 K more…

The most obvious option would be to divide the number of points granted during nightime or raise the number of points taken during peak times (that should be around 4 PM to 1AM in Europe, but Anet knows that better than us). Limit the upgrades available at night too. I am not saying that VS can’t win without nightcapping, because we have very organized guilds and alliances with talented RVR players. But i would prefer to win in other conditions and with more equity. Right now with nightcapping, winning just doesn’t prove anything.

And for the people who are saying they would be penalized by such a rule because they can only play at night, please tell me how the WWW at night is enjoyable… Empty forts taken by the Vizunah bus in PVE mode and Vizunah players camping at the others servers’s respawn with siege weapons … Definitely great fun and enjoyment.

2:57 Am, at our keep, apart from anywhere else in EB let alone other maps, they had at least 50 in our keep..

Force balance number of players on borderlands for the 3 servers will fix all of this and also make ppl leave overpopulated servers to the empty servers for the better queue times…
The fix is needed or soon there will be no gw2

This is pathetic lol… i was alone on one of the borderlands and outside our main base was about 20 VS people just waiting for 1 or 2 to go out… srsly dont they even have a life lol

I don’t see why people fail to see the obvious.

If you are asleep when they are awake, then there will be times when they are asleep and you are awake. That’s called logic. If they don’t sleep or work as much as you, well that’s just dedication there.

Your world must not really be capitalizing on those moments when they are slow. And if they are never slow, well…why is that their problem? Why is that Anets problem? Are you just asking Anet to give you a handicap because another server is more active than you? (Again, please refer to my first point). Besides, score matching is the closest thing to a handicap you get…it give you the best possible chances of having a fair match.

I think matching based on score is the best, it’s like getting graded on a curve. If you make it timezone matching then you may not like the results (what if the #1 server was your neighbor?). If you make it score + timezone matching, then servers don’t get enough variety.

Mandar are you that stupid? Vizunah Squares night time capper squad get replaced by a daytime zerg, their borderlands aren’t empty of players during the following day.

It is then however, EU server peak time where all borderlands for all 3 servers fill up… the 40k+ point lead they amassed during the night can NOT be closed, it’s all very even and the people who play during the peak time are fighting for meaningless scraps with barely a hope of scratching that 40k point lead.

Then comes the night, most of FS and Deso go to bed and VS get their 40k lead again.

It’s nothing to do with Vizunah Square, it’s nothing to do with Far Shiverpeaks or Desolation, it’s nothing to do with people who play on the opposite side of the globe to the server… it’s just terrible game design through and through. Bad game design is what is at fault here and people should be directing anger to Anet, not some French players.

Solution:
Make FR servers in America since most of them are canadian anyway, maybe 1-3% is french. I know USA hates canada, and they dont want to see them, but throwing the plague at europe? really?…

Or

You can make language server dedicated servers to only fight other server dedicated servers, that way it would be more fair, instead of lesser Europe contries all with small guilds very disorganized against a huge canada and their many guilds which they don’t even hide in their guild names anymore now.

Reese.4183:

I’m playing on Vizunah Square and all that i can tell is that nightcapping isn’t a myth… It’s a true problem for our server and for the ones we are playing against. The only people who are going to tell you otherwise are those who like easy wins or the kiddos/lamers who believes that being on VS make them some kind of elite and that can’t take any criticism. Honestly i don’t really see how people on VS can have fun or be proud of winning in this situation. Last weekend has been a proof of that with VS being beaten on daytime and taking back all the maps in no time at night. At 4 AM we had 10K points less than FS, and at 8 AM on Monday we had 30 K more…

The most obvious option would be to divide the number of points granted during nightime or raise the number of points taken during peak times (that should be around 4 PM to 1AM in Europe, but Anet knows that better than us). Limit the upgrades available at night too. I am not saying that VS can’t win without nightcapping, because we have very organized guilds and alliances with talented RVR players. But i would prefer to win in other conditions and with more equity. Right now with nightcapping, winning just doesn’t prove anything.

And for the people who are saying they would be penalized by such a rule because they can only play at night, please tell me how the WWW at night is enjoyable… Empty forts taken by the Vizunah bus in PVE mode and Vizunah players camping at the others servers’s respawn with siege weapons … Definitely great fun and enjoyment.

I don’t care if you are a fake or not , i agree on every single point .
The problem is people not looking for balance and fun , just to win by night pve parties and raise their e-kitten .

I play on FS, and late in the night, the server isn’t empty. I regularly see, 20/30 persons in the forts.

The problem is as soon we see 10 men attacking the fort, we prefer to teleport to spawn cause the russian guilds aren’t here to protect us.

So usually I log of WvW and farm mobs, as I can’t stand to find out if I can do something on my own.

Some of the others prefer to stay in WvW but do puzzle jump. I do that as well.

Please Anet, can you make like the forts immune to everything when the russians guilds aren’t connected?I am bored to have to run constantly.

Phara Miu.2816:

Russians on Far Shiverpeaks ? xD ?

What about Disorder League ?

Disorder League (alliance) (russian only)
- [GF] GreenFire (ru)
- [Nug] Nugos (ru)
- [ZDs] ZaDrots (ru)
- [DZ] Dalzone (ru)

edit : Ho the post was moderated.
Phara Miu if you don’t even know who are the people on your server ….

for those talking about an alliance between FS and Deso, are you not thinking ahead or are you just ignorant of the facts?

all our servers have long queues…which means the organized guilds have trouble getting in and most of the zergs will consist of completely random people.

now…i assume you all have a lot of gaming experience yourselves and will understand this argument. EVEN IF the FS and Deso formed an alliance, do you really think there is ANY way in beep that you could keep the random zergs of FS and Deso pugs from just running into each other and starting to smack each other to death despite your leaders using caps lock + rage trying to prevent that from happening.

the answer is simple, no.

Actually russians FS have alliance with Desolation. Unfortunately, Deso doesn’t know about it. We have to run each time we clean their keep yard. They even close gates before our noses! Good allies don’t do it, Desolation! Think again next time you see Nug bus coming into your fort when you struggle against VS at inner gates. We are your firends! We only want to get enough points to keep you at 3rd place, don’t kill us! Please!

Its funny how they end up losing the stuff anyway.

the decrease in motivation is starting to show. it’s 17:00 here now, finnish time. and FS still has the outmanned buff.

AngelofAwe.4972:

for those talking about an alliance between FS and Deso, are you not thinking ahead or are you just ignorant of the facts?

all our servers have long queues…which means the organized guilds have trouble getting in and most of the zergs will consist of completely random people.

now…i assume you all have a lot of gaming experience yourselves and will understand this argument. EVEN IF the FS and Deso formed an alliance, do you really think there is ANY way in beep that you could keep the random zergs of FS and Deso pugs from just running into each other and starting to smack each other to death despite your leaders using caps lock + rage trying to prevent that from happening.

the answer is simple, no.

Then it seems to me that it’s your first WvW game.

The point with a three servers setup IS TO allow alliances. It doesn’t take an organized guild, just a couple of guys on the map tchat can give basics directions and once the mob start following them, every other pickup players will do the same.

The thing I see here is players looking for excuses, in my opinion this is just a matchmaking problem, VS should be against a server with the same population at night (and yet, I’m sure there are as many players on FS and Deso than on VS during the night, it’s just a matter of organization).

By the way, this morning, between 4 and 6am, I saw a lot of Deso players capping points and even taking a keep, that was interesting.

Don’t think it will really change at this point, its demolishing to see the fruits of your labor abolished while you’re at work / rl / sleep ect, knowing it will only happen again the next night.. soon enough people will loose the motivation to even try retake points knowing they will be gone again in a couple hours. the weekends is where its at.. where rl obligations can be halted to some degree & the playing field is somewhat level.

@Albi

nope far from it, and i no game i have played, EVER. has such an alliance system worked unless it’s physically impossible to damage the players of the allied nations. there are ALWAYS people who don’t understand, don’t care or just want to ruin it all attacking allies if it’s possible.

DAOC alliances worked quite well as far as I remember.