Who the hell wants to play when they get outmanned on every single map just because the stupid system put them into a matchup that their server cannot hope to even match the numbers of even just one of the servers they are playing against, especially if they got taken out of a match that was quite balanced.
I hope you’re not implying that this doesn’t already happen.
During US East primetime, FC has across all four maps about half what SF has in EB. ET has about 2/3 to 3/4 from what I’ve seen during those time periods, but it seems both servers’ heads hit the pillow when 9PM US West rolls around while our west coast crew is still alive and kicking for another 3-5 hours.
Thanks Silver, that it happens already is one my main points. And not just at T8.
This guy doesnt get that even if what he suggest happens it would only be a week or so until things adjust again. Unless the server matches well at the new Tier and then they would be happier. He is also assuming that because a server moves down a Tier it will dominate everything below it, which could happen, yes, but also could not.
Not even going to respond to him anymore. He complains I do not listen, yet when I point out that his population balance proposal is for another thread and that this one is just for discussing the OP, he flips out. He wants me to listen to his stuff but he refuses to listen to what I am saying. Silly boy.
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If something like this would be considered (even though I think it is generally a bad idea), probably better to promote/demote based on score difference. If the top server in a tier is out scoring the medium by say 40%, move them up. Same for a server on the bottom. Simple and would allow servers getting routed to have a nice week of fighting and servers routing to be humbled.
That is interesting, never thought about score difference. That would make the lopsided matchups have the movement instead of close ones where the one server happens to win/lose 3-4 weeks in a row.
Yes this would help but IMO i dont want more “teams” just yet. I like it the way it is. put a floor/roof on the rating will fix the short and long trem problem’s of stail matches then implament “more teams” by placeing a no transferr to Very high pop servers. (random numbers cause i dont know but) say 800,000 ppl play on the 8 NA servers place a 100,000 account max on all servers and say JQ has 220,000 accounts. knowone can transfer into JQ untill there are less than 100,000 accounts. let ppl leave or stay as they please but eventualy (6 months to a year) the servers will even out.
i guess what im trying to say is: lower the max account limit on servers. i dont know numbers but i bet halving the max pop per server would help even things out. then add more servers.
There is no mistake that Free Transfers caused many numbers to be artificially lower and/or higher then they should be.
Case in point, When Kaineng dominated T8, it dropped the score of ET and FC, because it received many new people, and thus Glicko was still thinking that it was a 900 point server, when it jumped to a much higher one, but, before Glicko could accommodate that, it had destroyed the point numbers for ET and FC.
The real answer at this point is to reset everything, and start again. In fact they should put in a Season Event, where they points reset every 2 months or 8 weeks, because Server populations are anything but static, and Glicko only works well with static teams or individuals.
If there were 300 “servers” for WvW, we would not have this problem as there would be a better chance for their to be many teams close to each other so that moving would be common thing, a solid win might move you up, a crushing loss would move you down, and blowouts would result in someone moving, not being stuck.
i actually think that this isnt true.. i thought the same, but there are always the edge cases. example – queue times in LoL went up exponentially at extremely high and low elo. matchmaking forced pairings with drastically different elos because the community of same skilled players was far too small.
overall, with a larger competitor population, the issue seems easier to write off because a relatively small percentage of competitors get stuck on the edges instead of the 25% that currently fill the edge matches… but its still gonna be an issue. i do think a rating ceiling/floor could solve the issue (to an extent) and of course this games matchmaking doesnt need to care about anything like queue times in LoL as matches are always made instantly.
selecting a specific floor and ceiling isnt really a trivial matter either, it has to be tight enough to prevent large gaps (current t8, server wins by 2x-5x point margins but loses rating cuz 300 point gap) but loose enough that servers dont constantly jump more than 1 tier from bad blowouts (a server bouncing between t6 and t4 — curb stomped one week, curb stomping another, and unable to find their real spot in t5 because they win or lose too hard and get huge rating jumps relative to the space between each servers ratings).
I agree with you, there will always be fringe.
But, in the end, more teams means overall better match ups, as opposed to the mess we have right now.
Also, if it was made into teams, like guild teams, or limited public teams, then they would be more or less static, which would work better for Glicko to handle and the truth is, I do not think I can fathom anything further removed from what is a “Static Team” then a Public Server that had Free Transfers between them.
While adding in more servers won’t fix the problem, it will lessen it a great deal.
Who the hell wants to play when they get outmanned on every single map just because the stupid system put them into a matchup that their server cannot hope to even match the numbers of even just one of the servers they are playing against, especially if they got taken out of a match that was quite balanced.
I hope you’re not implying that this doesn’t already happen.
During US East primetime, FC has across all four maps about half what SF has in EB. ET has about 2/3 to 3/4 from what I’ve seen during those time periods, but it seems both servers’ heads hit the pillow when 9PM US West rolls around while our west coast crew is still alive and kicking for another 3-5 hours.
Thanks Silver, that it happens already is one my main points. And not just at T8.
This guy doesnt get that even if what he suggest happens it would only be a week or so until things adjust again. Unless the server matches well at the new Tier and then they would be happier. He is also assuming that because a server moves down a Tier it will dominate everything below it, which could happen, yes, but also could not.
Not even going to respond to him anymore. He complains I do not listen, yet when I point out that his population balance proposal is for another thread and that this one is just for discussing the OP, he flips out. He wants me to listen to his stuff but he refuses to listen to what I am saying. Silly boy.
What you don’t get is that this idea will make it worse until other things are fixed first.
Silly boy.
Maybe you should stop trolling now. It is obvious. This idea is so bad that if you had some thought, you would understand how bad it is until other things such as the population imbalance get’s addressed.
All you will do is kitten off more people than satisfy.
Silly boy.
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