Guild Wars 2

Thanks a lot!

We will now see if it resolve the issue, I hope so! But 7 days might not be enought!

Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. Thank you! We appreciate this response to the WvWvW community.

That’s an improvement. However I still think it should be once every 30 days. 7 days still allows guilds to hop to the winning server of the week.

Please charge an obscene amount of gems for team-hopping while you’re at it.

Is it too much to ask that you brand them with a white-flag desertion icon in place of the star as well?

7 days is perfect, but it would be even better if a player after changing server couldn’t enter WvW until the next Friday restart.

Better than nothing, but this still does nothing to prevent flocks of migrating players/guilds.

A system needs to be implemented so that transfer to low-pop servers are free, but transfer to high-pop servers either: 1) cost money, or 2) can only be done every 60days, or greater.

There needs to be some sort “permanent” feel to being in a server, otherwise WvW will continue to fluctuate chaotically.

Really don’t understand why Anet doesnt start charging for transfers, then put a 30 or 60 day cool down on new transfers.

In my opinion, 30 days will be too harsh but also 7 days is too soft. something like 14-17 days might work best. Or place a WVW restriction/ penalty for transfer.

I don’t understand this decision at all… Guilds can still transfer for free to a ‘winning’ serverevery weekly cycle and immediatly play in WWW. How does this solve the WWW problem?

Very weird decision from a WWW point of view.

7 days is pretty much perfect as long as you make it so it’s no longer free. What’s the point of keeping it free anyway? All it’s good for is giving lazy players free WvW exploration and allowing free reign to the roaming bot armies. Start charging.

Transfer every Friday. Got it.

One counter balancing influence is that many older guilds are planting roots and establishing or enforcing unity/solidarity policies. Unfortunately, while this may act as a curb on number of transfers, it also implies that the “free radical” transfers are becoming more and more degenerate as an aggregate population.

This 7-day measure will ground out some of the Min/Max motivators; however, I believe the effect on spontaneous rage transfers or even deliberate cross-server malfeasance will be negligible. That said, we are probably talking beyond three sigma now into the population and are well into diminishing returns. We’ll see…

Science.6709:

Transfer every Friday. Got it.

Yes, that pretty much sums it up.

Very weird ‘solution’ for the WWW tranfer problem, very weird.

just be thankful, that at least it’s not 24 hours no more and they’re showing that they are doing something about it… ill take the weekly transfer any day versus every 24 hrs

Science.6709:

Transfer every Friday. Got it.

+1

this is what they answer us after all this feedback !

Sorry, but this does nothing for the PvE players (of which there are more than pure WvW’ers) struggling to get by bugged content such as the Arah door, Balths temple and loads of other DE’s and Skill points across the land where changing servers is currently the only way to do that bugged content

Thanks to no guesting such people are now stranded, being unable to team with friends and guildies after being able to do what they wanted to. Worse than that, they won’t be able to take advantage of whatever guild upgrades or buffs that have been earned.

I understand the needs of the WvW players, but surely such a measure should be put into place only when the events etc dont get locked down by bugs. Most of the stuff that causes PvE players to swap servers have not been fixed (certainly as far as my server(Gandara) is concerned)

Well, 7 days is definately better, so you are off to a good start.

You also really need to make it so you cannot transfer to a server that your current server is currently fighting.

well better solution could be not alloved participation for 7 days in www, than weekly transfers, at least that affects only www player not others who don’t care about www..

I sense a great disturbance in the force.

(gets popcorn)

There is something I think they ought to have done by now and that is decouple home servers with WvW. They can then create WvW home servers independent of PvE home servers and close those transfers instead.

It would mean they can lock WvW transfers without locking PvE transfers.

Shanaeri Rynale.6897:

Sorry, but this does nothing for the PvE players [snipped]

Two points…

1. Activity of a server (whether certain individuals participate or not) in WvW expresses itself server wide in the form of bonuses that are material to the entire server community.

2. You are uninformed as to the organizational design (specifically, the development teams supporting and expanding Guild Wars 2), how work gets assigned, and the process paths through which any concept is eventually implemented.

The premise of your argument rests on the assumption that Arena Net’s commitment in one area is mutually exclusive to commitment in another. This assumption is overly narrow and completely contradicts the express direction outlined by Colin.

Please reference: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/colin-johanson-outlines-guild-wars-2-live-game-development/ for more information.

zortek.9607:

Shanaeri Rynale.6897:

Sorry, but this does nothing for the PvE players [snipped]

Two points…

1. Activity of a server (whether certain individuals participate or not) in WvW expresses itself server wide in the form of bonuses that are material to the entire server community.

World Bonus’s dont really matter to me if I can’t get to do the content I wish, with the people I wish to be with.

2. You are uninformed as to the organizational design (specifically, the development teams supporting and expanding Guild Wars 2), how work gets assigned, and the process paths through which any concept is eventually implemented.

The premise of your argument rests on the assumption that Arena Net’s commitment in one area is mutually exclusive to commitment in another. This assumption is overly narrow and completely contradicts the express direction outlined by Colin.

I’m aware of how the team works. I would also expect there to be someone who has the final go. no go on any patch or content change. While there are seperate teams to do different stuff, these teams will often have conflicting priorities. So again these priorities need to be scheduled, assigned budgets and effort by the arenanet PMO. The underlying team structure is less important in a way than the overall programme management. Even then then the decision as to what to include or exclude is not the PMO’s call.

What I was saying, was that world transfers do not just affect WvW, but the entire game which is still having numerous issues and can only be resolved by changing server.

As someone mentioned above, the actual server you play on should be de-coupled from the world/team/faction you represent.

TLDR: The game is much bigger than WvW, and the community more varied than a single game type. That being the case, issues that are hurting the normal everyday player and stopping their progress should imho be resolved first. As someone mentioned above. Block the ability of the player to WvW for 7 days, not the ability of the player to get other stuff done.

7 is fine, stops guilds hopping over for a day etc be happy they did this much

It’s a good start. Would love a 7-day restriction on entering WvW after changing servers.

That is a valid point though. You don’t have to put any limit on the number of server transfers, but make it so you’re locked completely out of WvW for a week when you do. Let’s the PvE casuals play with their friends and slap traitors in the face.

While its a step in the right direction, 7 days? So.. every Friday night, i can transfer to the top server of the match up and enjoy stomping all week, only to change out again come Friday night? Wut?

They still need a lock out of WvW after they transfer

And the point of that change, guilds can still transfer to a new server with every new matchup, i realy wonder if anet actualy considers anything through before dooing it.

Thanks for recongnising the issue. I do wonder though with weekly WvW and weekly transfers….how this fixes things.

It is an oddity that the player community is revolting over free anything and the notion of free transfers in general is a good.

So either make it every 14 days or 7 days with a WvW lockout for the next cycle.

sighs Devs just dont see it. Good thing that they see its problem but 7 days is not good solution for that. This affects PvE players which is not needed. If you change; “Cannot access to WvWvW for 14 days after transfering to new server.” or something similar like that, it would keep PvE folks happy if some of their content is bugged OR they are on low pop server and no people to finish some area/boss whatnot.

I personally don’t understand why they released the game without the guesting feature in the first place, it would have prevented all of this, so extremely poor planning on their part there I think. They really should have just got guesting working asap, now we have a bunch of issues with WvWvW. It’s great they bumped the transfers up to 7 days, but as people said, it still allows guilds to hop servers for each new matchup. I personally think every person should get 1 free transfer, and after that you pay, and have around a week or so in between those paid transfers, of course this would have to be in place after guesting is implemented to be fair to the pve’ers trying to play with friends.

While I’m really glad there’s been acknowledgment that free transfers are affecting wvw and something’s been done about it, I don’t think the right thing is being done. What needs to be done is to lock players out from wvw after transferring. Increasing the free transfer limit from 24 hours to 7 days does not solve this problem. As others here have pointed out, there can still be mass transfers on Friday nights. It doesn’t prevent mass transfers midweek to winning servers either, which is one of the biggest problems free transfers have on wvw. I don’t know how guilds which mass transfer do it, since I’ve never transferred servers apart from doing bugged SPs/events in CS/Straits. But it seems logical that mass transfers to winning servers either at the start of a new matchup or midweek do it only once a week. To these people it does not make a difference whether the free transfer limit is once per 24 hours or 7 days. Ergo, we’ll continue to have the same problems as we do now. Doesn’t stop spies or supply dumpers either, who transfer once a week and stay there for the rest of the matchup.

Worse, with the limit now once every 7 days you effectively make it worse for pve people who like to transfer servers to complete bugged events/SPs. Of which there are many. Sure these people can be told to sit it out until server reset, but then why make it worse for them by implementing something that supposedly addresses the free transfers problem for wvw, but does not?

Please reconsider keeping free transfers to once every 24 hours, but putting in a limit on entering wvw after transferring. 14 days is more than reasonable. It makes sure those who transfer intend to stay and eventually contribute to that server. As a pvx player who spends half the time in wvw and the rest in pve I’d gladly just wait for server resets for bugged stuff so I can fight for my server.

AWESOME NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who say’s ArenaNet are not listening to players.

\o/ Whoop \o/
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Instead of having your complaints at the ready, let’s try and see what this change actually does to the game before we come up with conclusions based on nothing.

So what if a quest is bugged? Make a bug report and eventually they’ll get to it. The more complaints, the higher of a priority the quest will get. For example, people complained tons about this thing in WvW – And voila, free server transfers are becoming more limited. Is this a good permanent solution? Perhaps. Is it a good temporary solution? Without a doubt, yes.

No longer will people find it interesting to join another server – Because you can’t base a server’s success of a single day. Even if you transfer to the winning server every friday, there’s no guarantee that your new server will win in the upcoming week. Not to mention that spies will now think twice about whether or not they’ll switch servers; after all, who’d love to play a multiplayer videogame with all of their friends on a different server?

My 2 cents.

PS: The moment guesting is resolved, PvE players will have no more complaints about this either. And I’m pretty sure they recently had a blogpost in which they stated we could expect the first major additions to the game in November.

Are we going to finally get the “You can not participate in WvW until a new match begins” part of the original statement that was made about WvW and server transfers?

If this part was in effect as it is, there would be little issues with having 24hour transfers. Being able to participate on your new server is the biggest reason we are having issues, not because you can simply transfer every 24.

So… an entire guild can transfer to the winning server, they just can’t do it more than once a week? Don’t really see how this changes much since WvW is weekly.

Needs to be a WvW lockout for a fortnight.

Very pleased about this and a balanced step until they guesting feature is implemented (and it implies in the statement from Anet that free server transfers will be switched off once they can get it working).

It won’t eradicate the spying/mid-week server-hopping etc. but these things will decrease.

If players move mid-week it means they can’t move back to their “home server” for the start of their next match-up which would put them very off-side with their own community.

If players want to transfer on a Friday it means they are part of a WvW for a whole week which is less disruptive for that match-up.

thx anet….

a step towards a better GW2. however like most of us here think, a 1-week lockout from WvWvW after transfer is necessary to reduce/eliminate sabotage activity…

I really don’t think extended WvW lock-out time after transfer is going to fly. As much that it’s a problem, it’s really a problem that only greatly affect the top few tiers. Doing that will inconvenience a great deal of the rest of the player base who are casuals to WvW, or who play on lower tiers. It might be possible for a short lock-out, like maybe a day, but week-long lockouts are probably not happening.

As people have said, this change doesn’t really solve anything. WvW players currently aren’t even transferring daily, it’s probably closer to once a week, on Saturday after the new matchups have settled in and a leader is determined. Changing the transfer cooldown to one week will not disrupt their schedule at all.

The better solution is to block people from WvW after they transfer. Either make it a static value (4-6 day lockout), or make it until the next Friday matchup occurs. Transferring by itself is not the issue. Transferring for WvW gain is. You need to implement a punish,ent targeted at WvW transfers, instead of a broad stroke like this 7 day cooldown.

I think it would be better if they get a 10 day lockout, only if they transfer to 2 or 3 top tiers pvp servers and a 7 day lockout for lower than tier 3 servers, it would help the lower servers and it would eliminate spying from a rival top server.

Isn’t that what jumpy guilds do? change server every 7 days? I’m afraid this is not enough. Let’s see and improve the restriction if needed. Thanks for listening by the way.

Thanks for the update.
I like how you’re slowly increasing the time it takes to be able to change servers. Allowing some to find their new homes and others to know they wont be able to server hop for free, forever.

just wondering about the people looking at the bad side of this, how many times do you need to transfer from server to server anyway ? it’s not fair to wvw’rs to have this loop hole because someone wants to transfer to different servers for different friends constantly. Bandwagoners and guilds that transfer only to grief other servers have a greater priority of a fix than someone who has friends on 5 servers. Transferring that much could be considered an exploit of something that is supposed to be relatively decisive. I’ve only transferred 2x …1st time to escape the bots ..2nd time because i missed my original server and came back ( happy it was cleaner when i did ). You can fix your issue by getting your friends on one server and having pride for that server. wvw has no way of fixing our issue without a-nets help – so thank you a-net ( I would have made it 14 myself – 7 can still be a guild dedicated to just griefing the match of the week )

Thanks for this change, it’s a reasonable and fair limitation to everybody.

Well, its a start!

I dont see why ANet are still holding back from profiting from this when everyone is calling for it to go full stop.

This should help the problem of team-jumping a bit. It’s not perfect, but it should make people think twice before doing it.

Thanks.

This is half good news.

Anet listened to the community half way and fixed the issue half way. Transfer of the week servers has not been effected in any way shape or form so its not really a fix for WvW

PvE guys have been scolded some what with buggy events happening on thier server stopping them from transferring to a server without the bug

Still early days for GW2 – Which i kind of expect

This game needs 6 months to mature