Guild Wars 2

Hi Hi,

While I like the addition of guild mates being able to see where I am in WvW, I do not like the fact that my Friends / Followers, particularly those on other servers, being able to see where I am while I am out and about in WvW.

What in essence this does, is save people from spending money to buy another acct (legally from gw2 of course!!!) and allow them to spy from their home server.

Given the frequency of the current match up for my home server, while the trolling on forums, maybe classed as “toxic” by some, the level of respect and acknowledgement, between the 3 respective servers is definitely there and thus quite a decent number have made friends with people on the opposing servers, thus leading to the problem of them being able to see where they are.

Another fact of this, I thought of just as I was going to hit the create a topic button, it also caters for more malicious activities against individuals, whom have very little control over who follows them, for what ever reason.

One should not have to hide ones self by making them selves all invisible to every one that is on their friends list / being followed by some one, just to be able to hope around in wvw with out telling people, with out having a say so, where you are.

There are also many tactical plays that this potentially will stop from happening, if people forget to turn them selves offline in friends list before entering wvw.

So Recap:

Showing the BL locations in Guild list = good

Showing the BL locations in friends list = bad

Please revert the change to the latter.

Hit Y and go invisible.

Make it so you have to accept people to your OWN friends list.

Fixed.

Unless they changed it, followers cannot see your location, unless you also friended them….

So is ANeT going to fix this issue of someone from another server having you on their friends list and being able to track what WvW zone you happen to be in? Is it proper/right to allow it to continue? If you’re on another server it should just say “wvw”.

Here is a member from a guild from one server confessing to doing such a thing. I’ve removed references to the guild doing it and servers because I believe ANeT doesn’t approve of such postings if those are included:
“For those from * wondering why * wondering why * or rather ** in general may be focusing you, it is because myself and a couple others including our main commander recieved this threat from the leader of *(link removed). A little bit of backstory as to why we have recieved these threats is because we do not agree with how a certain commander in his guild does things and we told him but he put me on block immediately about 2 weeks ago and I hadnt made attempts to contact him since until we recieved these messages 2 days ago durring the end of last weeks matchup. We had tracked him through friends list now that you can see what BL enemies are on from it, and wiped his guild about half a dozen times in half an hour until they quit. Their main commander had challenged us previously in the week too, even saying how much he loves **** bags and for us to not give up (link removed). So the leader of * sent us those ingame mails and we take this very seriously because of the influence he has as a guild leader of a rather large guild and that he may be having his guild members to also spam report us daily. I tried explaining to him in a rather large conversation that you can also track people from other servers and what BL they are on from the block list but he refused to acknowledge that, also that it is not against the rules for simply having someone on your friends list but he is an idiot. So if you’re wondering why you’re being focused so heavily by *(we do our own thing, we do not represent the entirety of *), you can blame ******/**.”

Solution: Unfriend the people of the other guild/server. Even if they friend you, they can’t see where you are as long as they are only your followers – eg. not on your friend list.
Friend someone that is not a follower of you, and you sill see that you can know when he/she is connected, but not on which map that player is…

Just curious – All they see is what map you are on, whats so bad about that? Its not as if they see your EXACT location while on that map do they? I know they do for Parties but thats fine.

Jocksy.3415:

Solution: Unfriend the people of the other guild/server. Even if they friend you, they can’t see where you are as long as they are only your followers – eg. not on your friend list.
Friend someone that is not a follower of you, and you sill see that you can know when he/she is connected, but not on which map that player is…

That doesn’t work. A married couple already experimented with that. As stated by the person who used this technique, if you even have them on your block list you can track them.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Just curious – All they see is what map you are on, whats so bad about that? Its not as if they see your EXACT location while on that map do they? I know they do for Parties but thats fine.

All they need is the basic info to follow you on a map. In PVE it really isn’t a big deal, big zone, one person. But once you attack something in WvW, they can make an educated guess that you moved there. They just need to go to the spot. Yes, blah, blah, you can use tactics, blah, blah. The point is, this gives a big piece of intel that shouldn’t be given away by ANeT to an opposing server.

I do think there should be some sort of WvW block on this, but you can exploit it if you are commanding and know you are being tracked in this way.

You also change your status to Invisible, but you lose certain features of chat I think.

This is a big issue that should be addressed.

People can also track via the blocked list – just block someone and you can see where they go all the time – which makes no sense. If you block someone, you should ALWAYS be invisible to that person.

People should not be able to track your location without you knowing (especially in WvW, but anywhere else as well) – whether it be through the friends or blocked list. It promotes griefing and generally unsportsmanlike behavior.

I don’t think ArenaNet thought it through properly when they made these changes. It needs to be hotfixed or reverted back to the old system until they have a solution.

Its only a problem if you don’t want to fight….Probably is a glitch of sorts, but I know several people that have enjoyed it….

You see _ person is on ______ map, you bring your group there to have a chance of running into their group.

Or they should just make it so that people on servers in WvW just say “World vs World”. I know several commanders on TC have gone invisible (even though it blocks them from getting messages themselves) because they found that if they map hopped their forces the enemy forces would immediately hop to counter. Sadly, even if you don’t have the person on your friends list, you can still be on theirs and they can see exactly which BL you’re on. For most people it isn’t a problem, but if you’re the person that is known to be commanding the current force (from guild tags for example) then it means the enemy forces can easily track if and where you map hop.

TC encountered this problem when we had a large force push an enemy BL to try to get them off our home BL (we still wanted to fight them..just not inside our own T3 keeps hehe, so we wanted to draw them to their home BL). We map hopped and by the time we got regrouped, we got a report that the same forces that were on our home BL were already waiting in force at our spawn tower (so I guess it worked?). We still pushed out..it was just really funny to see how immediate their response was.

This is troublesome. I woudn’t like people knowing where I map hop if im trying to ninja something. I would think going invisible would solve it but this prevents me from getting whispers from my scouts.

I could party up my scouts sure, but that would prevent me from setting party comps that I like.

Heibi.4251:

If you’re on another server it should just say “wvw”.

I think thats fair.

I did think that if you friend someone there is some wiggle room to say they should know where you are to, not only guild mates. But maybe the above is more appropriate.