To be honest last time a full glass thief got me was becouse i saw him but i was too slow. A full glassy can’t stay too much in stealth so if he saw you, you’d have to see him as well. Paying attention is not an optional. It’s like crying becouse a sniper sniped you. He did his job, you were too much uncovered.
Looking at the pic Flame Blast was from an engi not from a thief, so ok you didn’t see the thief, but.. don’t you see a bunch of enemies?! At this point i can assume that everyone can gank you with a glassy build and get you with few hits till you dont pay attention.
Ignoring the other troll posts about not seeing stealth classes.
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To be honest last time a full glass thief got me was becouse i saw him but i was too slow. A full glassy can’t stay too much in stealth so if he saw you, you’d have to see him as well. Paying attention is not an optional. It’s like crying becouse a sniper sniped you. He did his job, you were too much uncovered.
Looking at the pic Flame Blast was from an engi not from a thief, so ok you didn’t see the thief, but.. don’t you see a bunch of enemies?! At this point i can assume that everyone can gank you with a glassy build and get you with few hits till you dont pay attention.
Ignoring the other troll posts about not seeing stealth classes.
You know man, with all the whines it’s easy thinking the worst case.
And you know stealth can do a lot but that does’t change the point: this kind of build can’t stay in stealth too much since it involves all traits and utilties to damage and, as i said, if he saw you, you’d have to see him as well.
If you don’t pay attention don’t come here and cry pls.
Nice backpedal. Enjoyed your jab about not paying attention after mixing up a sigil of fire proc for the engineer skill too.
Nobody is crying. Well, I can’t speak for everyone I suppose.
My situation was a pretty obvious outlier yet it’s still humorous watching people go into defence mode over it, particularly those unaware of the stealth mechanic. I think after the 20k combined the next highest backstab I’ve had was only just over half of that.
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Breakstun if needed and dodge.
It’s not so hard to do…
It IS hard to do, especially given the short timespans involved.
I’m sick of all the L2P.
Sorry but if you can’t manage a dodge/stunbreak before the backstab lands your reaction time is quite slow to say the least. Watching your surroundings helps a lot as well, it’s not like a triple signet thief will come out of nowhere. A single dodge would have won you that fight as a slight breeze will be enough to down such a thief, and to be honest I’m sick of people complaining when they QQ about things that are easily avoided.
Watching your surroundings helps a lot as well, it’s not like a triple signet thief will come out of nowhere. A single dodge would have won you that fight as a slight breeze will be enough to down such a thief, and to be honest I’m sick of people complaining when they QQ about things that are easily avoided.
This is simply untrue. Thieves can facetank guardians. It’s not like they drop quickly at all.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
This is simply untrue. Thieves can facetank guardians. It’s not like they drop quickly at all.
Facetank guardians while dishing out those amounts of damage? That’s funny, but even thieves don’t have that luxury. I’m not nearly as glassy as the thief that hit you that hard and I can’t facetank any half decent guardian. Trade auto attacks with a guardian as a thief and the guardian wins 100% of the cases, unless he’s wearing greens or something.
You don’t need cat like reflexes, it’s really not that hard. While roaming I’ve run into a bunch of thieves that can 3-shot most players (mug, c&d + bs), yet I haven’t died to any of them even once. You only need to pay a little bit of attention, and it’s really not that hard. Basically I get a free kill after avoiding their burst, because there’s nothing more to that build than one insane damage spike, after which they are quite helpless.
the problem is that you assume zero lag. Thieves benefit from lag more than any other class. I’ve seen enemies unresponsive to my burst thief simply because all 4 hits land at once from their perspective. they tell me later that it looks as though they got hit for 20k all at once. you cannot respond to that. sorry.
That is not a problem with the profession but with the system as a whole – trying to play with real-time action mechanics on an architecture that is inherently laggy.
the problem is that you assume zero lag. Thieves benefit from lag more than any other class. I’ve seen enemies unresponsive to my burst thief simply because all 4 hits land at once from their perspective. they tell me later that it looks as though they got hit for 20k all at once. you cannot respond to that. sorry.
That is not a problem with the profession but with the system as a whole – trying to play with real-time action mechanics on an architecture that is inherently laggy.
Here’s the case against forcing people to have uber-reactions.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
i can say that thief’s are quite possibly the easiest target for an engineer to kill, running conditions you can literally burst them full of conditions and watch them die, or if your like me and run heavy power build that has kitten all defense, well lets just say 1 shotting a thief with grenade barrage never gets old, they even line an easy shot up for you
the problem is that you assume zero lag. Thieves benefit from lag more than any other class. I’ve seen enemies unresponsive to my burst thief simply because all 4 hits land at once from their perspective. they tell me later that it looks as though they got hit for 20k all at once. you cannot respond to that. sorry.
I actually find my thief to be suffering more from lag than any of the other professions I play. If I know I have delays I rather pick my guardian or any other class for that matter, high latency messes a lot with timing c&ds, getting backstabs off, shadowstepping away when necessary, etc. Bottomline is that any player with high ping will have trouble against someone with no lag and someone who can get their rotations off normally.
And Svarty, uber-reactions, really? Maybe PvP is not your thing.
the problem is that you assume zero lag. Thieves benefit from lag more than any other class. I’ve seen enemies unresponsive to my burst thief simply because all 4 hits land at once from their perspective. they tell me later that it looks as though they got hit for 20k all at once. you cannot respond to that. sorry.
Stop with misinformation pls. Thief class needs a lot of timing even if people think the other way around. The lag is NOT the culling, lag means wrong timing.
Who benefits from lag are classes that spam aoe attacks.
Stop with misinformation and trolling. The game is funny when it’s short.
Biggest problem for me, is all the stealth available while in combat. Most mmo’s the assassin types get 1 free getaway depending on a spec. The initial backstab damage is kitten near enough to prove that more stealth in combat is OP. Utilities and heals, I can understand, thats a couple stealth options there, but adding them to weapon skills where all you need is enough initiative to use them, a bit too much, not to mention combo fields.
Everyone with a little common sense knows that thiefs are ridicoulus broken in WvW.
perma-Stealth, highest mobility, blindspam, cond remove and the crazy damage that forces almost all classes except thiefs to stack toughness.
Got backstabbed for 12k today on my 3.4K Armor…
4 RL buddys stopped playing GW2 because of this madness.
Backatabs are pretty op, agreed, but in reality when you fight thief and they go invis all you gotta do is press “w”, move your mouse randomly and keep autoatacking.
unless they are really good they will most likely miss a back stab, and just hit you for normal dmg.
Everyone with a little common sense knows that thiefs are ridicoulus broken in WvW.
perma-Stealth, highest mobility, blindspam, cond remove and the crazy damage that forces almost all classes except thiefs to stack toughness.
Got backstabbed for 12k today on my 3.4K Armor…
4 RL buddys stopped playing GW2 because of this madness.
Grow a pair. You should check out any of the several WvW threads here where players list the most useful classes to play. Except for roaming/scouting, thief almost always falls way down toward the bottom of the list.
I don’t play a burst thief (and I use stealth defensively) and yet in any large skirmish I am subject to being chain stunned and AoE’d into oblivion … my only recourse being to blind, stealth, and skulk away having done nothing much useful for the group. If I optimize for evasiveness I suck in other ways. No thief gets all those things you mention without cooldowns and without sacrificing a whole lot else.
There is a great deal of difference between the optimum specs for 1v1 and large group battles. Just because the thief class is oriented more toward one than the other (read the kitten official class descriptions if you haven’t yet figured out which) doesn’t mean that thief overall is out of line with anything other than your own understanding.
D/D Thief who prefers mobility to stealth … so yeah, I die a lot
Stormbluff Isle [AoD]
Everyone with a little common sense knows that thiefs are ridicoulus broken in WvW.
perma-Stealth, highest mobility, blindspam, cond remove and the crazy damage that forces almost all classes except thiefs to stack toughness.
Got backstabbed for 12k today on my 3.4K Armor…
4 RL buddys stopped playing GW2 because of this madness.
Lol. You win for the most noob post on the forums. Not even going to argue your points since pretty much every one of them is wrong.
Actually two days ago, got one shotted. 20k, one hit. Fought him several times, switched out armor, changed up skills. One hit, 20k each time. And he wasn’t even backstabbing. He was rushing, shadowstep, hit….and your down on the ground.
In one instance, it was two thieves doing the same thing, but instead of going down, I was first down, and then dead without a coup-de-grace. Which means, 1 thief knocked me down with 1 hit, and the 2nd did the same amount of damage in my prone form.
So 1 thief, for 1 hit, no backstabbing and I’m down, and if a 2nd enemy thief is present it’s automatic death.
When I’m cute, I can be cute. But when I’m mean, I can be very very mean.
Engineers are smart. They should be able to build mobile stealth detector traps. Make it an elite skill.
Thieves are even smarter they take stuff others have made… Call it “what was yours is now mine” use the thief’s elite to copy any other player’s elite…
And you have steath detector turrets of a kind since they point towards the thief even if in stealth.
Engis also have some very powerful conditions builds & tankish builds actually, should we ask to nerf them ?
Use dodges, positioning, and condi removals to avoid the most painful strikes from thieves. Once you survive those blows, they are usually very fragile if you have retal up, conditions, immobilization etc.
You can be successful in killing them with many conditions, a lot of burning in particular tends to make them reappear downed.
Also, you should not be ashamed to lose 1vs1 to a thief in WvW.
Lonely roaming assassination is their domain. It endorses group play instead of lone players in WvW. Working as intented to me.
As always, the only people who think thieves are balanced are the people who play them -including the devs-. It’s like Kim Jong-il being the only one thinking North Korea is a-ok.
As always, the only people who think thieves are balanced are the people who play them -including the devs-. It’s like Kim Jong-il being the only one thinking North Korea is a-ok.
As always, the only people who think thieves are op are the people who can’t be bothered to learn how to fight them.
If you all want to be objective you must provide numbers or examples to the table.
These are examples of how OP can be any class . . . the people here complaining about thieves has no objective points . . they are just angry because they still do not how to deal with thieves.
If you all want to be objective you must provide numbers or examples to the table.
These are examples of how OP can be any class . . . the people here complaining about thieves has no objective points . . they are just angry because they still do not how to deal with thieves.
I invite you to use the time you expend here in the forums learning the mechanics and improve your game play instead.
Sorry for my bad english i try my best.
Sad but true, Ele doesn’t make the OP cut.
I admit my thief in greens and yellows hits pretty hard and can get away easier than most other classes. But other than that, what can a thief do? Zerg battles suck with me trying to pick off someone on the sidelines and usually getting AOE stunlock zerged. Or near zero damage and only some utility with short-bow. OK fine we aren’t supposed to zerg battle maybe, so roaming/scouting is all that’s left.
If you take away thief damage I think that’s OK, but you have to give them more stealth back (and balance other class’s damage as well). Every patch has nerfed stealth duration, but I feel like it’s not helping to solve the problems of the class.
Thief/assassin/rogue are one of my favorite classes, but in this game there is something about their mechanics that annoy me and leave me switching back to other classes after a couple hours in WvW or sPvP.
As always, the only people who think thieves are balanced are the people who play them -including the devs-. It’s like Kim Jong-il being the only one thinking North Korea is a-ok.
As always, the only people who think thieves are op are the people who can’t be bothered to learn how to fight them.
Saying something on the internet does not make it true, fyi.
Typical response from a thief: L2P to people who already know how yet once he logs on a regular class=gets wiped>>runs back to playing a thief.
Try playing a ranger and let’s see how well you do..oh wait..you won’t..
I have an armor rating of 2682, and i am getting critically hit by thieves up to 12k? What gives?? I am stacking toughness to defend against this crap and still am getting dropped faster than i can even counter it. Unless i am doing something wrong, i am getting close to uninstalling this game. I dont mean to rage or anything but there appears to be a serious WvW balance issue. The average hit from them is around 4k but still with how fast they strike it kills me 4-kittens.
There is also a damage hack out there. Simply google gw2 hacks and you will be appalled at how many hacks are left unchecked. I’ve seen a warrior use it with an axe auto attack and I have the highest pwr+crit damage in the game on mine and I can’t even hit close to it.
It’s usually thieves because playing a handicap broken class isn’t enough for players with the mentality to play those classes. There are also health hacks where a thief stealths and immediately pops out full health -he just used his hack..been pvping since launch..-. There is a known thief on CD who does this and was reported countless times with no result.
If you all want to be objective you must provide numbers or examples to the table.
These are examples of how OP can be any class . . . the people here complaining about thieves has no objective points . . they are just angry because they still do not how to deal with thieves.
I invite you to use the time you expend here in the forums learning the mechanics and improve your game play instead.
Sorry for my bad english i try my best.
That’s because the non thief pvpers who want some balanced pvp were ignored since launch so they ditched the game.
Have you noticed a significant decline in pvp skill level in spvp and wvw recently? Yea..
That’s what happens when you ignore your customers’ valid complaints. Favor a minority of people who are after the next fotm and you lose the majority. Brilliant tactic.
As always, the only people who think thieves are balanced are the people who play them -including the devs-. It’s like Kim Jong-il being the only one thinking North Korea is a-ok.
As always, the only people who think thieves are op are the people who can’t be bothered to learn how to fight them.
Saying something on the internet does not make it true, fyi.
Typical response from a thief: L2P to people who already know how yet once he logs on a regular class=gets wiped>>runs back to playing a thief.
Try playing a ranger and let’s see how well you do..oh wait..you won’t..
I do play a ranger . . . i actually made one specially to play solo SPVP spirit build back days when it was incredible OP.
Any time we can switch professions and have a duel . . . you play with thief any build you want . . . and i will play ranger . . . lets see who wins . . . i mean is very easy to play thief you should not have any problem with this.
All the profession are good . . . one better that others to one specific job . . . read the post i linked . . . ranger is consider for this community to be harder to play against in 1v1.
I can bet my account to this . . . every single profession on maximum potential played only by experts . . . thief will be one of the bottoms.
I know this would happen . . . i provide great videos with good examples of regular players with other professions outnumbered killing better than a thief and no one says nothing.
There’s a thread in the thief forums teaching people how to one shot enemies with their thief. Three shotting seems trivial.
As a thief, it’s easy to understand that by saying one shot they mean a rotation of steal+c&d+bs in that particular topic. I’m sure you should have realized, playing 5 thief characters and all that.
(or every other yishis videos on youtube – massive library)
just take a look thief 1v5 – win
no matter how bad the opponents are no other class placed in such situation can win – place a guardian, ranger necro or whatever other than thief & it will melt in 1v5
conclusion thief op … but ofc i expect from thief players daggers to be thrown at me because when thief gets nerfed they are gonna have to use normal player skills thus resulting in showing how bad they really are.
(or every other yishis videos on youtube – massive library)
just take a look thief 1v5 – win
no matter how bad the opponents are no other class placed in such situation can win – place a guardian, ranger necro or whatever other than thief & it will melt in 1v5
conclusion thief op … but ofc i expect from thief players daggers to be thrown at me because when thief gets nerfed they are gonna have to use normal player skills thus resulting in showing how bad they really are.
my 2 cents
So basically, all the videos above mean nothing to you . . . there are a lot of outnumbered fights where all the profession win even a lot faster than thieves.
Did you see any of them? do you really care about balance? do you play SPVP and notice that thief is the less efficient class?
Did you see forums this days?
Threads complaining of Warrior HS, PU mesmer, Engi (generally), Gurdians DPS . . . and necros . . . and rangers . . .
Do you really care about balance? what comment do you have for all the complains about the professions i mention above?
People will always complain for what they consider OP . . . but this is totally subjective.
Is ok to complain about something you feel is unfair . . . but like in real life . . . if you ask for justice bring evidence to the table.
The thing I see on forums is complaints about thief being OP thus i searched through youtube & guess what popped —-→ this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRcTKt47ixk
& also i haven’t found a single video of other class facing 5 enemies AT THE SAME TIME and winning.
As always, the only people who think thieves are balanced are the people who play them -including the devs-. It’s like Kim Jong-il being the only one thinking North Korea is a-ok.
As always, the only people who think thieves are op are the people who can’t be bothered to learn how to fight them.
Saying something on the internet does not make it true, fyi.
Typical response from a thief: L2P to people who already know how yet once he logs on a regular class=gets wiped>>runs back to playing a thief.
Try playing a ranger and let’s see how well you do..oh wait..you won’t..
No doubt. It’s always the same old cliches ….lol you were on your ‘insert class’ here and you lost to a thief lol?’ Trolls in game =trolls on the forum
When someone uses the word ‘Meta’, a kitten dies. Don’t do it.
If you all want to be objective you must provide numbers or examples to the table.
These are examples of how OP can be any class . . . the people here complaining about thieves has no objective points . . they are just angry because they still do not how to deal with thieves.
I invite you to use the time you expend here in the forums learning the mechanics and improve your game play instead.
Sorry for my bad english i try my best.
That’s because the non thief pvpers who want some balanced pvp were ignored since launch so they ditched the game.
Have you noticed a significant decline in pvp skill level in spvp and wvw recently? Yea..
That’s what happens when you ignore your customers’ valid complaints. Favor a minority of people who are after the next fotm and you lose the majority. Brilliant tactic.
100% true. The WvW chat channel is always filled with people complaining about Thieves. No other class produces the amount of frustration and anger to the player base. Most bit the bullet thinking that Anet would make some much needed adjustments. They haven’t, so I agree it has forced people out of WvW …or into zerg blobs only.
When someone uses the word ‘Meta’, a kitten dies. Don’t do it.
If you all want to be objective you must provide numbers or examples to the table.
These are examples of how OP can be any class . . . the people here complaining about thieves has no objective points . . they are just angry because they still do not how to deal with thieves.
I invite you to use the time you expend here in the forums learning the mechanics and improve your game play instead.
Sorry for my bad english i try my best.
That’s because the non thief pvpers who want some balanced pvp were ignored since launch so they ditched the game.
Have you noticed a significant decline in pvp skill level in spvp and wvw recently? Yea..
That’s what happens when you ignore your customers’ valid complaints. Favor a minority of people who are after the next fotm and you lose the majority. Brilliant tactic.
100% true. The WvW chat channel is always filled with people complaining about Thieves. No other class produces the amount of frustration and anger to the player base. Most bit the bullet thinking that Anet would make some much needed adjustments. They haven’t, so I agree it has forced people out of WvW …or into zerg blobs only.
The majority of those chat comments (as well as half the comments on these forums) are about how annoying thieves are because they can’t be seen and they can be so evasive, not because they got killed by one. Burst thieves are indeed powerful 1v1, but thieves in general pretty much suck in a group battle as countless posts here have also pointed out. Situational disparity exists in almost every game … it’s what makes you actually have to think. Try it.
Annoying does not equal overpowered or broken. Read the frigging GW2 thief class description and educate yourself.
D/D Thief who prefers mobility to stealth … so yeah, I die a lot
Stormbluff Isle [AoD]
People complain about thieves because they seem to win with cheese. You’re running along and bam out of nowhere more than half your health is gone. You’re like, wtf? Did I get hit with a balista – oh no it couldn’t be a balista because a balista doesn’t do that much damage to me. Then you’re like, oh yeah, this game has a cheese class called a “thief”.
Even if other classes can beat you, even if they surprise you, the same feeling doesn’t happen with any other class.
Wait wait wait, thieves forced people out of wvw and into zerg blobs only? o.O
You mean thieves forced people farming towers and 1111111 for lootbags? O_O
I hope i just misunderstood, otherwise it’s the worst excuse of laziness and nubiness ever said.
I hate fighting PU mesmer . . . to me is impossible to kill . . . but you will never see me creating post to nerf them . . . i rather learn how to counter them.
Well i’m done here . . . anyways nothing will change . . .
as a ranger i dont find pu mesmers difficult but to play thieves is plain ez-mode
by the way saw a post of the above stating some friends of yours ditched gw2 as a game because of how imbalanced & OP thieves are & how Anet doesnt do naything to balance them (namely remove combat stealth) so i have to share also several of my friends (2) left cuz of the exact same reason…
i think we all get the point where gw2 is heading to losing popularity & player base cuz of poor balance
If you all want to be objective you must provide numbers or examples to the table.
These are examples of how OP can be any class . . . the people here complaining about thieves has no objective points . . they are just angry because they still do not how to deal with thieves.
I invite you to use the time you expend here in the forums learning the mechanics and improve your game play instead.
Sorry for my bad english i try my best.
That’s because the non thief pvpers who want some balanced pvp were ignored since launch so they ditched the game.
Have you noticed a significant decline in pvp skill level in spvp and wvw recently? Yea..
That’s what happens when you ignore your customers’ valid complaints. Favor a minority of people who are after the next fotm and you lose the majority. Brilliant tactic.
100% true. The WvW chat channel is always filled with people complaining about Thieves. No other class produces the amount of frustration and anger to the player base. Most bit the bullet thinking that Anet would make some much needed adjustments. They haven’t, so I agree it has forced people out of WvW …or into zerg blobs only.
The majority of those chat comments (as well as half the comments on these forums) are about how annoying thieves are because they can’t be seen and they can be so evasive, not because they got killed by one. Burst thieves are indeed powerful 1v1, but thieves in general pretty much suck in a group battle as countless posts here have also pointed out. *Situational disparity exists in almost every game … it’s what makes you actually have to think. Try it.
Annoying does not equal overpowered or broken. Read the frigging GW2 thief class description and educate yourself*
You can try and justify it and make excuses. It’s really very simple. People play to have fun. If they have fun, they continue to play. If they don’t have fun, they leave….and what many don’t want to accept. We don’t all lose every fight to thieves. There are 3 common outcomes. 1. Thief wins. 2. Opponent is winning but thief stealths and runs away. 3. Thief makes a mistake and opponent actually wins.
All 3 scenarios are not fun for the non thief. Even after beating a thief I am ready to log off in frustration. It’s not fun.
Maybe you educate yourself and see what every game in existence does when their customer base isn’t having fun. They try and fix it.
When someone uses the word ‘Meta’, a kitten dies. Don’t do it.
As always, the only people who think thieves are balanced are the people who play them -including the devs-. It’s like Kim Jong-il being the only one thinking North Korea is a-ok.
As always, the only people who think thieves are op are the people who can’t be bothered to learn how to fight them.
Saying something on the internet does not make it true, fyi.
Typical response from a thief: L2P to people who already know how yet once he logs on a regular class=gets wiped>>runs back to playing a thief.
Interesting reaction….
I will explain it, as you missed the obvious,
Your post had the exact same structure as mine and you’ve actually replied to yourself. Here, I’ll do it again, pay attention:
Saying something on the internet does not make it true, fyi.
Typical response from a thief: L2P to people who already know how yet once he logs on a regular class=gets wiped>>runs back to playing a thief.
Typical response from someone who can’t be bothered to learn how to fight other classes: calling for nerfs on the classes that give him problems.
Try playing a ranger and let’s see how well you do..oh wait..you won’t
Try playing a thief and lets see how well you do..oh wait..you won’t
i am an engineer, i just find this completely unbalanced that a class can 3-4 shot someone with a tanky build. i am in all rabid,carrion and dire gear.
its unbalanced? what about your gear. your main stat is condi and the rest is tanky. you get all the condi damage you want + survivability. That glassy thief will be an easy kill for you once you dodge his backstab..
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