Guild Wars 2

I’m pretty surprised not one single match this week changed considering how varied matches were in the first time there was server linking and partial glicko reset.

Chaba.5410:

I’m pretty surprised not one single match this week changed considering how varied matches were in the first time there was server linking and partial glicko reset.

Same, they are all blow outs. The more this continues the more bored players will get. Then….anet wil bring back DBL. Just wait till that fart of a map comes back lol

RodOfDeath.5247:

Chaba.5410:

I’m pretty surprised not one single match this week changed considering how varied matches were in the first time there was server linking and partial glicko reset.

Same, they are all blow outs. The more this continues the more bored players will get. Then….anet wil bring back DBL. Just wait till that fart of a map comes back lol

DBL is the lesser of our problems tbh…

Jeknar.6184:

RodOfDeath.5247:

Chaba.5410:

I’m pretty surprised not one single match this week changed considering how varied matches were in the first time there was server linking and partial glicko reset.

Same, they are all blow outs. The more this continues the more bored players will get. Then….anet wil bring back DBL. Just wait till that fart of a map comes back lol

DBL is the lesser of our problems tbh…

True dat, game is a mess.

wait wait wait, dbl = lesser problem? let’s not get too extreme.
Outnumbered 7-2 for the past 3 weeks? dbl? hmmmm, yeah….bout the same.

Akkeros.1675:

wait wait wait, dbl = lesser problem? let’s not get too extreme.
Outnumbered 7-2 for the past 3 weeks? dbl? hmmmm, yeah….bout the same.

I would rather be playing DBL for the past 3 weeks than this kitten matchup we have in T4.

If CD had to defend on DBL, we might have had a chance to get more points on them. ;-)

Jeknar.6184:

Akkeros.1675:

wait wait wait, dbl = lesser problem? let’s not get too extreme.
Outnumbered 7-2 for the past 3 weeks? dbl? hmmmm, yeah….bout the same.

I would rather be playing DBL for the past 3 weeks than this kitten matchup we have in T4.

lol, i am with ya
literally, since i am on ebay
but dbl? really? deep breath in, deep breath out ….there must be a better way

Akkeros.1675:

Jeknar.6184:

Akkeros.1675:

wait wait wait, dbl = lesser problem? let’s not get too extreme.
Outnumbered 7-2 for the past 3 weeks? dbl? hmmmm, yeah….bout the same.

I would rather be playing DBL for the past 3 weeks than this kitten matchup we have in T4.

lol, i am with ya
literally, since i am on ebay
but dbl? really? deep breath in, deep breath out ….there must be a better way

I’m on Ebay too and we are not happy being paired up with DH as it is, but this nonstop blobbing is so tiresome, we’ve gone somewhat inactive. Two months of this is more than I care for. WvW can die for all I care. I do a little here and there for dailies and WvW reward track, but my partner and I limit ourselves to the borderlands. The lag issues and the 3+-1 outnumber ratios make us seriously reconsider how we allot our game time.

I know people a whole lot smarter than me develop this kittenzz and all I can say is, huh? You don’t need to be a genius to know the deleterious effects blobbing day in and day out is going to have on players. And for the love of God, letting it continue for 2 months only compounds the WvW fatigue I and many others are experiencing.

I think SoS would fit perfectly in this tier and CD should move up, but anet needs to make all that xfer money so they wont fix the problem they created with the glicko. CD in no way should have started with 1300, we should have had the 1700 we had when we paired with SBI, broken system.

We are getting 0.4 glicko this week atm and I talked to a Anet player during week 1 when we were getting 110glicko. He said the system would work itself out and there was not a problem. I believe he xfered to dragonbrand shortly after because he didnt even know he was on the CD merge tier and wanted to move up he said in EBG chat.

Yeah they need to fix something fast. Unless their intention is to kill off all small servers and let players pay to redistribute themselves on the main servers.

Reh.5986:

Yeah they need to fix something fast. Unless their intention is to kill off all small servers and let players pay to redistribute themselves on the main servers.

working as intended?

Reh.5986:

Yeah they need to fix something fast. Unless their intention is to kill off all small servers and let players pay to redistribute themselves on the main servers.

Don’t let them know that you are aware of their master plan. Who knows what might be waiting for you for knowing too much.

Chaba.5410:

I’m pretty surprised not one single match this week changed considering how varied matches were in the first time there was server linking and partial glicko reset.

Yes I do wonder if the increased volatility they refer to is only used for the first week of the new links.

IMO there is something fundamentally wrong with their glicko system in the way it continually settles for the same match ups.

I am still not convinced 1 up 1 down is as horrid as some think it is. It isn’t perfect, but it would resolve the problem with this match in particular. I just wonder how many are going to still be around from these 9 servers after 8 weeks (assuming this continues) ….

Liston.9708:

I am still not convinced 1 up 1 down is as horrid as some think it is. It isn’t perfect, but it would resolve the problem with this match in particular. I just wonder how many are going to still be around from these 9 servers after 8 weeks (assuming this continues) ….

JQ already bought [Lgn] out of EBay and I’m pretty sure there are more guilds being reached to move. The kitten situation of the tier only make it easier for the large servers open their warchests and convince guilds from the servers stuck in the hell-hole to move up.

FA for exemple even reached me, a guild leader of a small roaming guild to offer us transfer.

CD is getting an entire 1 whole glicko this week! Idk about you guys but I cant wait to see what next weeks surprise matchup might be. /s

So, who is going to turn out the lights on this match?

Liston.9708:

So, who is going to turn out the lights on this match?

Problably the new people that transfered to CD… It just went from Medium to High.

we’re counting on them to double our glicko by friday.

At the moment CD is only going up 1.4 glicko while SBI is also going up 1.2. Next in line is SOS which dropped 5.1 which puts it within `4.0 of SBI. At this rate or similar CD will go up in about `10 years. As someone currently on DH we’re definitely not a host server. If this was a 1v1 matchup against E-Bay, E-bay would be having their all time high score this week.

With the new server linking I had hoped that host servers would be brought closer in Glicko rating to each other with the increased volatility. But it seems there wasn’t anything done to the two-month old frozen ratings when the new links were made and so now T4 seems stuck. CD certainly has gotten closer in rating to servers above it, but without rolling up, it is stuck.

morrolan.9608:

Josh XT.6053:

The glicko wall is awful.

Honestly the pairing for that match up should have been like this:

CD + BP + ET
DH + EB + K
SF + FC + GOM

Really was no reason to put 4 servers together. Glicko needs reset, I’ve been saying it since the first server pairings.

Why does Glicko need to be reset when its plain that the actual issue in this regard is putting the 4 servers together? As I’ve been saying it calls into question anets whole linking system and how they decide the linkages. It appears to be an absolutely abysmal decision. How was it made?

Simple answer, it should be reset and then thrown out with the trash because it should ave never been used as a scoring system to begin with. Glicko has cause so many issues from day 1, it was never intended to be used in this fashion, tweak it as much as you want, it is still not going to function correctly for scoring in GW2.

Other than that resets would make sense, servers would end up in the appropriate placement in accordance to the present state of the game. In fact a reset every 6 months wouldn’t hurt.

Nuzt.7894:

Other than that resets would make sense, servers would end up in the appropriate placement in accordance to the present state of the game. In fact a reset every 6 months wouldn’t hurt.

They should just reset everytime they change the pairings and let it roll… At least we won’t be having the same matchups for the entire linking.

Electra.7530:

I’m on Ebay too and we are not happy being paired up with DH as it is, but this nonstop blobbing is so tiresome, we’ve gone somewhat inactive.

When I was checking on WvW. I kept seeing less, and less activity of my server-bros. What was very devastating to my own morale, was that one of our own actually transferred over to CD because we were constantly losing in last matchup, and to this match up thanks to constant lack of numbers.

Everyone seem to be abandoning the losing servers for the winning ones.

Dlarnkk.1068:

Electra.7530:

I’m on Ebay too and we are not happy being paired up with DH as it is, but this nonstop blobbing is so tiresome, we’ve gone somewhat inactive.

When I was checking on WvW. I kept seeing less, and less activity of my server-bros. What was very devastating to my own morale, was that one of our own actually transferred over to CD because we were constantly losing in last matchup, and to this match up thanks to constant lack of numbers.

Everyone seem to be abandoning the losing servers for the winning ones.

Yeah that is sad. GoM still has a lot of familiar faces I’d gladly run into a 5v10 with but it feels like Anet is telling me to transfer if I want to have fun. Every day it’s the same. Back cap and beat off a blob for hours on a keep with no walls only to have it capped when people finally have to eat or sleep.

Reh.5986:

Dlarnkk.1068:

Electra.7530:

I’m on Ebay too and we are not happy being paired up with DH as it is, but this nonstop blobbing is so tiresome, we’ve gone somewhat inactive.

When I was checking on WvW. I kept seeing less, and less activity of my server-bros. What was very devastating to my own morale, was that one of our own actually transferred over to CD because we were constantly losing in last matchup, and to this match up thanks to constant lack of numbers.

Everyone seem to be abandoning the losing servers for the winning ones.

Yeah that is sad. GoM still has a lot of familiar faces I’d gladly run into a 5v10 with but it feels like Anet is telling me to transfer if I want to have fun. Every day it’s the same. Back cap and beat off a blob for hours on a keep with no walls only to have it capped when people finally have to eat or sleep.

and you only have 6 more weeks of it ….

i am still confused about the concept of cd moving up. Even with the 4 server merger (which will change eventually, especially if moved up) how would you even compete with HoD or NSP? Os alone could wipe the entire CD server without 3 other servers helping. I am not bashing CD, they just aren’t that impressively overwhelming on their own

Akkeros.1675:

i am still confused about the concept of cd moving up. Even with the 4 server merger (which will change eventually, especially if moved up) how would you even compete with HoD or NSP? Os alone could wipe the entire CD server without 3 other servers helping. I am not bashing CD, they just aren’t that impressively overwhelming on their own

NSP is not that impressive… And seriously, since when HoD became epitome of skill? Sure Os is a organized (and fat) zerg, but CD has guilds like TDS or VII who can mop the floor with Os if they decide to raid seriously.

Also the quadserver have numbers to compete in the coverage wars up there, they are just not showing it because they are stuck in T4 thanks to glicko. After the pairings change, they may drop down, but that’s not a excuse to leave them stuck in a matchup they shouldn’t be in.

The quad server can compete in T2, let alone T3

Looking at these threads, I think the ranking system (glicko rating) is THE source of all wvw problems.

The issues of world linking, population imbalance, server matchups, these are just the symptoms of flawed matchmaking/ranking system.

Why cant the winning server move up and the losing server move down?
A server could than push to move out of a tier that they are deadlocked in, at least for a week.

It would also be alot more competition for the new server linking system to face as many different servers as you can instead of the same matchup for the whole linking duration.

Liston.9708:

Reh.5986:

Yeah they need to fix something fast. Unless their intention is to kill off all small servers and let players pay to redistribute themselves on the main servers.

working as intended?

Starting to look that way. It’s dirty, but I wouldn’t expect any less from anet. Gems over players.

Draeyon.4392:

Why cant the winning server move up and the losing server move down?
A server could than push to move out of a tier that they are deadlocked in, at least for a week.

It would also be alot more competition for the new server linking system to face as many different servers as you can instead of the same matchup for the whole linking duration.

I have also brought this up before…a type of ladder system.

Jeknar.6184:

Akkeros.1675:

i am still confused about the concept of cd moving up. Even with the 4 server merger (which will change eventually, especially if moved up) how would you even compete with HoD or NSP? Os alone could wipe the entire CD server without 3 other servers helping. I am not bashing CD, they just aren’t that impressively overwhelming on their own

NSP is not that impressive… And seriously, since when HoD became epitome of skill? Sure Os is a organized (and fat) zerg, but CD has guilds like TDS or VII who can mop the floor with Os if they decide to raid seriously.

Also the quadserver have numbers to compete in the coverage wars up there, they are just not showing it because they are stuck in T4 thanks to glicko. After the pairings change, they may drop down, but that’s not a excuse to leave them stuck in a matchup they shouldn’t be in.

yeah, i get what you are saying but what I was trying to say is how long are they gonna be a “quad” server? Then, based on the idea that ANET may be trying to eliminate servers, are they gonna pair DH/ebay with SF et al for a 5 server conglomerate?

Sylvyn.4750:

Draeyon.4392:

Why cant the winning server move up and the losing server move down?
A server could than push to move out of a tier that they are deadlocked in, at least for a week.

It would also be alot more competition for the new server linking system to face as many different servers as you can instead of the same matchup for the whole linking duration.

I have also brought this up before…a type of ladder system.

This suggest was already made before and was put down due the situation by the time.

Prior the links the population was still somewhat distributed over the tiers, with most populated servers on top and less populated ones at the bottom. Having WULO (Winner Up Loser Down) back then would just cause the same server to keep getting one week of win and one week of loss while keeping the middle server always in second since the server that moved up would be under populated to the tier above and the server that moved down would be overpopulated to the tier below.

However, now with the server links, the population distribution is a total mess. You have a server that can queue EBG at 10am EST stuck in the lowest tier in the game while you have a degradating server that is bleeding guilds stuck at T2. While WULO would still not be the best option, it would actually move faster servers that are in the wrong tier when the links change before creating the situation mentioned above.

But the ideal would still be having glicko reseted every pairing and let it stabilize by itself. We would have some random and problably loopsided matches at first, but at least we would see some new matches, but after a few weeks each server would end where it should be and we would have somewhat balanced matches before the change of the links.

Akkeros.1675:

how long are they gonna be a “quad” server?

They gonna be the quadserver until august 26th. There still 6 more weeks where they could be competing in higher ground but they are being denied by glicko.

6 more weeks of nonsense, thanks for reminding me

So boring. Right after the first link it was 3 blobs fighting over sm while roamers, havoc and gank squads ran amok. Now it’s just this tired 1 pushing…blob comes…20 of them die pushing but 45 more walk over their bodies otw through. No one has enough to flip sm as the batphone will just bring more from BLs.

Keep under siege all day with sometimes hilarious failures…then capped later when no one is on to defend properly.

SM not flipping is one of the best indicators of a lame matchup though and makes everything stagnant.

RodOfDeath.5247:

Liston.9708:

Reh.5986:

Yeah they need to fix something fast. Unless their intention is to kill off all small servers and let players pay to redistribute themselves on the main servers.

working as intended?

Starting to look that way. It’s dirty, but I wouldn’t expect any less from anet. Gems over players.

The phrase “never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity” springs to mind. Anet could have done a lot more to force players to redistribute to the most populated servers if they really wanted that.

First, apologies already to T4 for the server rotation that will be happening soon. Looks like T4 will be just another tier suffering from a rotation of larger servers rotating into the tier on a weekly basis making the game miserable. Coming from a similar situation in T3 facing Mag/whatever T2 server rotates down for the week, I do know the pain and apologize in advance for what’s about to happen.

Also, a question. While this will alleviate the staleness (but do nothing for the overall misery in the lower tiers due to the continued lack of any kind of balance that just gets worse daily), I do have to wonder, what happens at relinking. Will CD find themselves in T3 without the omniserver to help balance? I hope not, because being in situations like that is a whole different kind of misery, but by swinging the glicko in this fashion, it is potentially a risk.

Well, that means we’ll still have at least 2 more weeks of Dead-duo/Triple-Triad/Fantastic-four…
Oh well, at least there still hope.

Jeknar.6184:

Well, that means we’ll still have at least 2 more weeks of CD/SF/DH…
Oh well, at least there still hope.

That’s that big question should you hope for SI+ or SoS+ instead of CD+ or fear it …

Chris Barrett.3280:

Currently some worlds, such as Crystal Desert, are stuck in what’s come to be referred to as “Glicko hell”. This is where a few worlds’ Glicko ratings drift off from the rest of the group, leaving a wide enough gap that those drifting away won’t be matched up against the rest.

To help prevent stale matchups, we’ll soon be able to artificially adjust Glicko ratings solely for the purpose of matchmaking.

If by soon you mean by the July 29th matches then I say do it!

However, I would still rather you just throw the 4-headed hydra into T3 tomorrow, July 15th, and whichever server got the lowest roll in the standard matchmaking system from T3 would be the one to go to T4. That would seem fair to me. Because even with the added rating its still possible for CD to roll T4 – and then you will hear the collective groans of 3 servers all the way to Cantha as they log in for reset.

Also, have you all ever thought about using 1up 1down in conjunction with Glicko for matchmaking? For example, would it be possible to use 1u1d in the second week after re-linking and then every third week or something after that?

Dayra.7405:

Jeknar.6184:

Well, that means we’ll still have at least 2 more weeks of CD/SF/DH…
Oh well, at least there still hope.

That’s that big question should you hope for SI+ or SoS+ instead of CD+ or fear it …

Knowing the 4 servers in question I think SoS+NSP is better for the current situation of T4. SBI+HoD still pretty fat compared to the decayed DH+EBay and problably even to the SF+FC+GoM trio.

SoS+NSP is able to keep up with SBI+HoD on score because of SoS ocx ppt uncontested during the night. T4 won’t really care about that, we have nowhere to drop if we lose the matchup. Being rid of the Quadserver map queues since early in the morning will already be a victory to all of us.

Chris Barrett.3280:

To help prevent stale matchups, we’ll soon be able to artificially adjust Glicko ratings solely for the purpose of matchmaking.

….

artificial matchmaking adjustment on July 29th.

Great news, but a part of me can’t help but think that July 29th is long in WvW-time.

Also, going forward it would be great if such large rating gaps are avoided in future server links where a server had a frozen rating. I’m wondering if you’ll be manually adjusting rating for server links or have found a way to merge ratings of hosted servers based on their contribution to their linked partner?

Thank you Anet, with this time line. CD can now open it’s warchest of gold ore. We’re looking for NA guilds to be competitive vs FA/MAG if we move up. There will be an alliance meeting this Friday before reset at 630pm PST. Will have agenda up on CD website by tonight.

it needs to be done this week. If match-making and adjustments are ever gonna get practical there needs to be more frequent changes on the front end or you will get skewed data from people simply not logging in anymore because the match is over before it got started

Dayra.7405:

Jeknar.6184:

Well, that means we’ll still have at least 2 more weeks of CD/SF/DH…
Oh well, at least there still hope.

That’s that big question should you hope for SI+ or SoS+ instead of CD+ or fear it …

This is true and also points out how populations are still not balanced. The other 2 server pairs in T4 probably can’t compete with any server pair moving into T4. Ideally all server pairings should have close enough populations that it takes skill and coordination to be at the top, not just having the most blobs.