Desert is designed as a border. We cant have kittening 4 of them. It’s not gonna be another EB unless they do what many of us want them to do – remake the kitten map from scratch because nothing else can fix it’s core problems. But that aint gonna happen and you know it. So no point even suggesting that.
I don’t think it would need a full redesign. Make red get “citadel” and green and blue get the other 2. Red is almost always the weakest server, that will help them have a slight advantage in that map.
Desert is designed as a border. We cant have kittening 4 of them. It’s not gonna be another EB unless they do what many of us want them to do – remake the kitten map from scratch because nothing else can fix it’s core problems. But that aint gonna happen and you know it. So no point even suggesting that.
I don’t think it would need a full redesign. Make red get “citadel” and green and blue get the other 2. Red is almost always the weakest server, that will help them have a slight advantage in that map.
There isn’t an even amount of towers on the map, or equal access of camps. The home team gets an extra tower and easier access to 3 camps, that’s the home advantage over ebg which has equal number and access to everything.
A fifth map isn’t going to help either, other than BG who’s overstacked, all other servers don’t queue up 4 maps every night.
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They have to keep some randomness to it, otherwise you’ll get people complaining they don’t get to play the other colors, why are we stuck on red for 6 weeks now!.
Well… use to mostly get those complaints when world completion had to be done in wvw, but not anymore.
That only really mattered for map completion, which has been removed.
Desert is designed as a border. We cant have kittening 4 of them. It’s not gonna be another EB unless they do what many of us want them to do – remake the kitten map from scratch because nothing else can fix it’s core problems. But that aint gonna happen and you know it. So no point even suggesting that.
If they readjust to make the corresponding keep towers serve a function … ie, you can use it as a base to hit other objectives, then I think the map is salvageable. I was happy just getting the home keeps WPs back.
They have to keep some randomness to it, otherwise you’ll get people complaining they don’t get to play the other colors, why are we stuck on red for 6 weeks now!.
Well… use to mostly get those complaints when world completion had to be done in wvw, but not anymore.
That only really mattered for map completion, which has been removed.
That’s what I said in my last sentence…… …. .. .
Another derailing post. ^^ North Keep: One of the village residents will now flee if their home is destroyed.
“Game over man, Game Over!” – RIP Bill
They have to keep some randomness to it, otherwise you’ll get people complaining they don’t get to play the other colors, why are we stuck on red for 6 weeks now!.
Well… use to mostly get those complaints when world completion had to be done in wvw, but not anymore.
That only really mattered for map completion, which has been removed.
That’s what I said in my last sentence…… …. .. .
13 hour work day, I think my eyes stopped working an hour ago. Sorry..
I’d agree that DBL is harder to defend with less numbers, because towers and keeps are bigger and require more siege to defend. So it makes sense to make that the Green BL, which is usually the strongest server with the best ability to cover multiple avenues of attack.
So poll players on that – I think changing one BL to Desert will be way more popular than switching all of them every three months.
Then look at making a 3rd borderland map. Perhaps gather some thoughts from players on what they’d like to see that Alpine or Desert doesn’t cater for.
In the matter of numbers, not much point putting the map less people want to play on green, it would be better for a matchup if pressure was placed on green than red.
Another derailing post. ^^ North Keep: One of the village residents will now flee if their home is destroyed.
“Game over man, Game Over!” – RIP Bill
The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.
For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.
That’s what I personally always wanted: one borderland for each color, to have different strategies and approaches.
The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.
For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.
TYLER YES! DBL for redbl and Alpine on blue and green bl.
Give it a shot and see how it goes!
Actually that makes sense, assuming red truly means the lowest ranked and not RNG.
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Give DBL to the lowest rank server in the match; ignoring color. That is, of course, if we agree that DBL is “more easily defended” than Alpine. I think that’s possibly true today, but is very questionable. Regardless, it may not be true after eventual terrain, environment, and NPC changes to Alpine (you gotta know that they’re thinking about that, right?)
DBL is “more easily defended” for map size reasons alone. You can’t use another tower to hit a keep, etc .. and while Alpine k-train chugging means you lose a tower the minute you see white swords, DBL white swords means you actually have time to run and check (assuming you have the bodies to defend). It’s not such an insta-domino effect on DBL (but it can happen with no response, lol).
The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.
For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.
That’s what I personally always wanted: one borderland for each color, to have different strategies and approaches.
So, maybe a 3rd borderland with xpac2?
A 3rd type of borderland would be a good alternative, still favoring 4 3-sided maps. But would like to see a poll to see how many people favor home BLs versus 3 sided maps before anyone should do any design work. But yes 4 different maps in any case would be awesome.
The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.
If you dare, make a poll asking for whether people want the DBL deleted forever.
I second this. And would ofc vote: YES, delete it with fire!
IDK about 3 maps co-existing. I simply do not want to play DBL. If there’s queue on EB or Alpine, lets say my guild goes there during the raid. I wouldn’t want to have to log in and then log out because I can’t play what I enjoy. If there is a rotation, at least people who don’t like Desert can take a break from GW2 like they already did.
Maybe just reduce rotation from quarterly. Or leave Alpine forever. (Or reduce size, verticality, tower, and PvE nonsense in Desert).
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For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.
That would be great. 2 ABl, 1 DBl, 1 EB. This way, everyone could play on their favorite map.
For me, 3 months of DBl would mean 3 months of not playing WvW.
Regarding imbalance, I would give DBl to Red, as there will probably be less players on this map, thus less attacks from Green and Blue.
So.. my idea would be that we keep the 3 Alpine maps, but replace the Edge of the Mist Map with the DBL Map. In addition there are no multiple instances of this Map anymore but still all servers of the same color battle there.
I think no one would complain anymore of how big the DBL Map is. It could be really fun also.
For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously.
… Really? Like you’ve had 3 copies of the same map for years while in fact you could have had 3-4 different maps if EotM was also implemented properly?
I would say what stopping you here is really a lack of vision or imagination. I mean if you couldn’t even update the background map image for the desert BL how can you make a background map image that supports more than 2 maps?
I I was managing this game you would have 4 different maps that spawn campaign overflows according to the monthly worlds population instead of 3 copies of the same map with a separated population, a EotM map that serves no scoring function and a server merge that is really only a short-term band-aid.
This seems like the fairest solution to me, and you were spot on with how I felt to leave the Desert to green and the other 2 Alpine.
Why would you make desert green? There’s less support for desert borderland, less players are willing to play on it, it’s a little more defensible with the environment, so why give that to green which is usually the server on top of the tier?
Because I see it as harder to defend not “more defensible”.
So.. my idea would be that we keep the 3 Alpine maps, but replace the Edge of the Mist Map with the DBL Map. In addition there are no multiple instances of this Map anymore but still all servers of the same color battle there.
I think no one would complain anymore of how big the DBL Map is. It could be really fun also.
You cannot replace the eotm ebg type map with a homebl type map. And if you guys haven’t noticed eotm structures are not upgradeable like the traditional wvw maps.
Another derailing post. ^^ North Keep: One of the village residents will now flee if their home is destroyed.
“Game over man, Game Over!” – RIP Bill
The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.
For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.
I like the idea of both maps at the same time, but I think a 3rd should be developed so each color can be randomly given one of the 3.
So.. my idea would be that we keep the 3 Alpine maps, but replace the Edge of the Mist Map with the DBL Map. In addition there are no multiple instances of this Map anymore but still all servers of the same color battle there.
I think no one would complain anymore of how big the DBL Map is. It could be really fun also.
Then where does the EoTM map go? Alot of players enjoy this map for the fast pace fights! This removes an option….nah
2/1 sounds good or redesign and dump it in the corner as a fourth map to play on. Leave EoTM alone
The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.
For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.
I would be ok with this, it would give those like me who dont like the dbl the option of not having to play on it, whereas if there was a rotation there would only be one map choice other then EB. Beta test this!
I say what needs to be said, get used to it.
Honesty is not insulting, stupidity is.
>Class Balance is a Joke<
Hopefully forever. WvW feels like WvW again, not some hard to get around/attack blah place of sandstorms and broken dreams. DBL seems like a bad dream now, and I don’t ever want to go back there. Ever. Ever. Ever.
Hopefully forever. WvW feels like WvW again, not some hard to get around/attack blah place of sandstorms and broken dreams. DBL seems like a bad dream now, and I don’t ever want to go back there. Ever. Ever. Ever.
Yea I dread the day it comes back, but if it has to, I rather it be limited to one map so we are not forced to have 3 dbls
I say what needs to be said, get used to it.
Honesty is not insulting, stupidity is.
>Class Balance is a Joke<
Hopefully forever. WvW feels like WvW again, not some hard to get around/attack blah place of sandstorms and broken dreams. DBL seems like a bad dream now, and I don’t ever want to go back there. Ever. Ever. Ever.
Yea I dread the day it comes back, but if it has to, I rather it be limited to one map so we are not forced to have 3 dbls
This is why I don’t get extremists that say only 2 maps. Give people choices so that they have maps they enjoy. A rotation will just limit people, and drive some away during each rotate.
Hopefully forever. WvW feels like WvW again, not some hard to get around/attack blah place of sandstorms and broken dreams. DBL seems like a bad dream now, and I don’t ever want to go back there. Ever. Ever. Ever.
It does seem like a bad dream! I’m really happy that they switched back. Didn’t realise how much I missed GW2.
Sadly if the bad dream becomes reality again, I’ll take another break. EB is fine, but queuing up for it is a pain.
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