Guild Wars 2

Vena.8436:

SleepingDragon.1596:

Pffft. Of course you will. Make sure you press that “1” key hard and fast since your blobs won’t allow anyone else to press any other keys… LMAO.

Just take and hold Jerrifers. No way can SoR take that tower when properly defended!

“Stand Your Ground!”

Trebs from keep roof.

league system will kill communities,servers maybe not whole WvW but yh not nice.
just got one thing to say to Anet.

Good job Devon and everyone else in the WvW staff you will be responsible for destroying communities I know ppls spent MANY MANY hours to create and order up.
I know several NA and EU that is gonna be destroyed first season starts. because of overflow.

Many server forums I have seen talk of possibility of tanking ranking points to reach rank 13. This may be the first ever race to drop rank!

This is totally not a drama thread.

Jamais vu.5284:

This is totally not a drama thread.

Just an honest warning and assessment…

Aurust.8961:

Trebs from keep roof.

Fine. Mendons.

I don’t think that can be hit from any structure or high ground that isn’t directly adjacent.

It’ll be interesting to see how the transfers shake out.

If your guild transfers servers now, but then participates in WvW, you run the risk of shifting your server’s position.

Even if your guild doesn’t, another guild might transfer in and do it.

Your best choice would be to watch the rankings and wait until the last minute to switch, but not everyone will think that far ahead and things might be muddled.

And if too many people resist playing, it might affect the rankings anyway.

The new update may also be fun or novel enough that people who are trying to resist playing right now will be unable to do so.

We’ll see how things go.

Proven.2854:

It’ll be interesting to see how the transfers shake out.

If your guild transfers servers now, but then participates in WvW, you run the risk of shifting your server’s position.

Even if your guild doesn’t, another guild might transfer in and do it.

Your best choice would be to watch the rankings and wait until the last minute to switch, but not everyone will think that far ahead and things might be muddled.

And if too many people resist playing, it might affect the rankings anyway.

The new update may also be fun or novel enough that people who are trying to resist playing right now will be unable to do so.

We’ll see how things go.

Yes indeed. Very interesting — in a disasters-are-interesting-to-see-unfold kind of way.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Proven.2854:

It’ll be interesting to see how the transfers shake out.

If your guild transfers servers now, but then participates in WvW, you run the risk of shifting your server’s position.

Even if your guild doesn’t, another guild might transfer in and do it.

Your best choice would be to watch the rankings and wait until the last minute to switch, but not everyone will think that far ahead and things might be muddled.

And if too many people resist playing, it might affect the rankings anyway.

The new update may also be fun or novel enough that people who are trying to resist playing right now will be unable to do so.

We’ll see how things go.

Yes indeed. Very interesting — in a disasters-are-interesting-to-see-unfold kind of way.

I just wonder how many guilds will accidentally shoot themselves in the foot.

Bumping this thread since other ones about the danger of league are being deleted or new ones created.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Proven.2854:

It’ll be interesting to see how the transfers shake out.

If your guild transfers servers now, but then participates in WvW, you run the risk of shifting your server’s position.

Even if your guild doesn’t, another guild might transfer in and do it.

Your best choice would be to watch the rankings and wait until the last minute to switch, but not everyone will think that far ahead and things might be muddled.

And if too many people resist playing, it might affect the rankings anyway.

The new update may also be fun or novel enough that people who are trying to resist playing right now will be unable to do so.

We’ll see how things go.

Yes indeed. Very interesting — in a disasters-are-interesting-to-see-unfold kind of way.

Hurricane Katrina was definitely interesting, as long as you didn’t live in New Orleans, I suppose the 12th rank server is New Orleans in this metaphor.

WvW won’t die but it won’t improve. Take it or leave it. The sad truth unfortunately, because people need more jumping puzzles.

WvW is nowhere at all on their list of priorities. It’s all e-sport, Deathmatch, King of the Hill here on out.

Zylonite.5913:

WvW won’t die but it won’t improve. Take it or leave it. The sad truth unfortunately, because people need more jumping puzzles.

What if the League is only played in the Obsidian Sanctum?
Would be fun for everyone.

Zylonite.5913:

WvW won’t die but it won’t improve. Take it or leave it. The sad truth unfortunately, because people need more jumping puzzles.

It’s not even the PvE that’s the problem. Anet insists on trying to make sPvP into an esport — they don’t even want WvW to succeed. The only care about WvW as an intermediary to get people from PvE to sPvP.

Both BP and YB are trying to tank their ratings before the match up. (Which doesn’t matter)
You can already tell though this league kitten is seriously broken. When you’re throwing matches to drop ranks because you’d rather rotflstomp lower servers as opposed to facing kitten for 7 weeks…

There’s a lot that ANET needs to fix.

You want your game to become an Esport?

GvG.

Nuff said.

Radioactive.1248:

Hi ANET, I wanted to caution you about this league system. I know you’ve already gotten a fair bit of commentary good and bad about this league system. Here is why this system will fail. I will keep the QQ and Raging out of it so this is an informative post from a player on the server Strombluff Isle.

1) Had you revealed this league system the day it was enacted, perhaps it would be more effective. Since you have warned people that their day 1 server will equal their ending reward, you should realize that this has instilled panic in the servers who are very unlikely to win their league. Their guilds are not thinking “hmm how can we recruit people to this server, they are thinking, hmm where can we go to get good rewards and how fast can we leave?”

2) Building off point #1, people will be forging mass Exodus from their old servers into new servers likely to receive rewards when the system is released. This will probably be repeated every time a new league match is set up. Guilds will flock to servers likely to get rewards, and as a result the 13-15 ranked servers could be flooded with transfers and in reality be much stronger than half the servers in the top bracket. This has already happened on SBI. Half of the Devona’s Rest guilds have come to SBI (We of course welcomed them), but the players on DR are probably panicing and considering a server transfer now. That server has no chance of receiving rewards and is likely going to die.

3) The resulting exodus every time league matches are about to start will of course kill all community ties guilds have developed with other guilds in their community. People will flock to trendy servers and communities that had been in place since day 1 will be destroyed. These exoduses have already been happening since the launch of the game, but when they are incentivized by rewards, they will happen much more often.

4) The end of the community ties will end up diminishing people’s interest in the game. You can keep adding trinkets, rewards, shiny things, and reasons for people to stay, but the social aspect of WvW on servers will be destroyed. People who don’t usually play WvW will come on demanding the capture of certain towers, or god forbid killing the grub for achievement points, and happily afk while the people interested in playing in WvW do so.

5) This will start bickering even within servers between PvE oriented players and WvW oriented players. I know you want people to play all aspects of the game and deny there is such a thing as a PvE or a WvW oriented player, but this will happen. WvW players will get sick of PvE players ineptitude at the game, and since they will likely be fresh transfers, will feel no reason to spend time training the PUGs. This will add to server drama, and contribute to community implosions.

6) The end game is communities will die, players will lose interest, and the social aspect of GW2 will be totally crap and nobody will want to play it. The rewards won’t force servers to work together, they will drive them apart when people aren’t winning. I’ve played enough MMOs to know that people are a lot quicker to start playing the blame game when things are tough than they are to rally and fix the problem. You might hope for the best case scenario, but it will never happen. Server instability will only be settled down when people leave the game entirely.

7/Conclusion) I know Anet may think this is a great idea for their bottom lines as the server transfers will increase gem sales, but it isn’t worth it. You are throwing away the long term revenue by cornering people into the options of staying with a divided community, or move to an unknown winning community. This is a game, you can’t count on people to stick it out, they will find somewhere with less drama and instability, and perhaps most importantly a community they can depend on for more than the next 7 weeks. I would imagine that somewhere won’t be a new server in GW2, it will be a different game.

Sorry for the length of this post, thanks everyone for reading and commenting and hopefully we get a response from Devon.

This post really speaks the truth and currently applies to Devona’s Rest. Currently our active WvW community averages about 15-30 people across all borderlands (does not include the weekly zerg rush loot and bail day on reset), and with the upcoming league system possibly matching Devona’s Rest against extremely unwinnable odds, I fear that it will just end WvW in Devona’s Rest for good.

I am not sure how this is going to work because it sounds like they are separating the servers into conferences and once the servers level out from this huge change they will start having some sort of playoff style thing where these servers face-off at the end of the season. This would be out of the question if silver league servers can move to the gold league… so its all very confusing until its implemented.

Newbkakes.4971:

Both BP and YB are trying to tank their ratings before the match up. (Which doesn’t matter)
You can already tell though this league kitten is seriously broken. When you’re throwing matches to drop ranks because you’d rather rotflstomp lower servers as opposed to facing kitten for 7 weeks…

There’s a lot that ANET needs to fix.

You want your game to become an Esport?

GvG.

Nuff said.

Or it could just be we (borlis and yaks bend) are up against a bandwagon server full of hopefuls looking to cruise through to silver victory but instead inadvertently pushed the server up to gold for some pain.

If borlis (rank12 at the time) could comfortably come second against rank 7 and 9 last week to gain 50 precious evolution points that isn’t very indicative of a server trying to tank ratings. Surely they would have rolled over and let eBay/mags have an extra borderland to play in. Regardless of how much many of us hate this idea of leagues, the server will continue to play as it always has because it’s not a dictatorship.

Anyways, you wanna chestbash on the forums carry on. All I have to say is: Numbers is numbers is numbers, and hope you enjoy JQ BG and SoR, because I sure as hell am not looking forward to it.

i will say it again and again, they dont care, league = more transfers = more money from buying gems, simple

bradderzh.2378:

Newbkakes.4971:

Both BP and YB are trying to tank their ratings before the match up. (Which doesn’t matter)
You can already tell though this league kitten is seriously broken. When you’re throwing matches to drop ranks because you’d rather rotflstomp lower servers as opposed to facing kitten for 7 weeks…

There’s a lot that ANET needs to fix.

You want your game to become an Esport?

GvG.

Nuff said.

Or it could just be we (borlis and yaks bend) are up against a bandwagon server full of hopefuls looking to cruise through to silver victory but instead inadvertently pushed the server up to gold for some pain.

If borlis (rank12 at the time) could comfortably come second against rank 7 and 9 last week to gain 50 precious evolution points that isn’t very indicative of a server trying to tank ratings. Surely they would have rolled over and let eBay/mags have an extra borderland to play in. Regardless of how much many of us hate this idea of leagues, the server will continue to play as it always has because it’s not a dictatorship.

Anyways, you wanna chestbash on the forums carry on. All I have to say is: Numbers is numbers is numbers, and hope you enjoy JQ BG and SoR, because I sure as hell am not looking forward to it.

Not many people on SBI want to get Silver. We are trying to move up to gold. We would rather have some fights instead of rolling over everyone. That just sounds boring.

I think all this is going to accomplish is to lower the WvW participation rates on lower tier worlds, while bloating the top tier worlds with transfers.

Yerffejy.6538:

Not many people on SBI want to get Silver. We are trying to move up to gold. We would rather have some fights instead of rolling over everyone. That just sounds boring.

Mayhaps thats because you guys got a couple of large guilds or multiple guild transfers resently? If you had not… you would be avoiding getting to gold.

Ostra.3927:

Yerffejy.6538:

Not many people on SBI want to get Silver. We are trying to move up to gold. We would rather have some fights instead of rolling over everyone. That just sounds boring.

Mayhaps thats because you guys got a couple of large guilds or multiple guild transfers resently? If you had not… you would be avoiding getting to gold.

True. But we also didn’t roflstomp everyone around us. Atm, that is the case. So we want to be in gold in order to get better fights.

Before transfers, the better fights would have been in silver. Obviously it would change, and we are still nowhere near the coverage and numbers even a T3 server probably has. Although time will tell, soon enough where we really stand. xD

I actually like the whole league idea and can’t wait to test my server strength against all the other one!

Gudradain.3892:

I actually like the whole league idea and can’t wait to test my server strength against all the other one!

And what server are you on?

GL starting e sports when at e sports clubs they don’t want gw2 to become it… they don’t even have the support so gl.