Leagues & stacking on T1 US
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This is what I dislike about our forum, I can’t see the first page when the end of the posting happens.
The meta is this – fight for ppt. We’ll find lots to do in that meta which may or may not be in accord with the game mechanics. Some of those will be fun like gvg (you can still do this), roaming pk and 1v1s, and rp in borderland (still doable), but it’s not how we’re supposed to play the game.
So, if you really find wvw not to your liking and the devs won’t give it to you, then maybe you’re playing the wrong game? Else, adapt and try to have fun.
It’s a matter of choice.
About the league, we’re not there yet and we don’t know how it will affect us players or wvw. We’ll know when it actually happens. Making assumptions is all in good, but being biased about it leads to non-enjoying of the game.
Never assume. Always test it. Be a follower of truth and proofs. Facts vs paranoia.
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JQ could have the misfortune to cop SoR and BG twice.
Why would you think that would be a misfortune? Any match which has less than 2 tier 1 servers in it is going to be a blowout, so regardless of the score we need eachother. Everyone in tier1 is there for the fights, not for the victory.
Gandara → SoS → BG → Gandara → SFR
New bunker meta sux
New bunker meta sux
well there you go, all servers in T1 should be welded together for a permanent match up. They have no desire for victory, so they can just fight each other for the rest of their lives.
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The meta is this – fight for ppt. We’ll find lots to do in that meta which may or may not be in accord with the game mechanics. Some of those will be fun like gvg (you can still do this), roaming pk and 1v1s, and rp in borderland (still doable), but it’s not how we’re supposed to play the game.
Uhhhh, the meta is coverage and population wins, and has been since the beginning
So, if you really find wvw not to your liking and the devs won’t give it to you, then maybe you’re playing the wrong game? Else, adapt and try to have fun.
It’s a matter of choice.
No, the players not on stacked servers would just like to have a game where skill matters more than numbers or coverage, AND be bigger then sPvP or tPvP.
About the league, we’re not there yet and we don’t know how it will affect us players or wvw. We’ll know when it actually happens. Making assumptions is all in good, but being biased about it leads to non-enjoying of the game.
Never assume. Always test it. Be a follower of truth and proofs. Facts vs paranoia.
Actually we already know what’s going to happen, players are going to move to servers they think will “win”.
The meta is this – fight for ppt. We’ll find lots to do in that meta which may or may not be in accord with the game mechanics. Some of those will be fun like gvg (you can still do this), roaming pk and 1v1s, and rp in borderland (still doable), but it’s not how we’re supposed to play the game.
Uhhhh, the meta is coverage and population wins, and has been since the beginning
So, if you really find wvw not to your liking and the devs won’t give it to you, then maybe you’re playing the wrong game? Else, adapt and try to have fun.
It’s a matter of choice.
No, the players not on stacked servers would just like to have a game where skill matters more than numbers or coverage, AND be bigger then sPvP or tPvP.
About the league, we’re not there yet and we don’t know how it will affect us players or wvw. We’ll know when it actually happens. Making assumptions is all in good, but being biased about it leads to non-enjoying of the game.
Never assume. Always test it. Be a follower of truth and proofs. Facts vs paranoia.
Actually we already know what’s going to happen, players are going to move to servers they think will “win”.
You’re simply repeating the things I’ve posted.
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Always Loyal
Always Loyal
(edited by Sovereign.1093)
8 months ago the leagues would have worked.
Currently no. The WvW population is not big enough.
Set up 6 premium WvW servers. Allow transfers to the bottom 3. After every League have a week of free transfers to the bottom 3.
Then set up some sort of league play. 6, 9, 9
What about the other servers? Well you could combine them into teams of 3 servers, call it an alliance or something.
At this point in time the population is not such that Leauge will work in its current state. Everyone knows it but Devon.
We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional
Anet lied (where’s the Manifesto now?)
Anet lied (where’s the Manifesto now?)
the population is fine – most guilds simply transferred to tier 1 – you can’t fill up all servers like tier 1 …..the error in wvw are the uncapped wvw matches….. you guys don’t see this because you want everyone to enjoy overly full maps. Trust me, they are not fun, especially when they cause lag, extreme players willing to hack and long ques – you adapted to it, but it’s not correct. a correct game would be balanced servers – t1 can keep the cheaters, because cheaters will cheat no matter how much you try to reason with them – you have to let them keep 1st place so they will stay together and not spread their irregular form of play.
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(edited by Ricky.4706)
Time to move to EU. While there’s grumbling about potential matchups, the population is by far more evenly spread out than the mess that NA is …. and should make for some interesting matches. Honestly, pick any server but the top two, and you’ll likely have a blast.
I started on EU, but after a few months started getting unplayable lag all the time, and tracert showed I was connecting to the EU server via Texas, and essentially doubling my usual ping to Europe (which was already not good).
So now I’m trapped…
This is going to play out 3 ways, JQ/BG/SOR meet in one match, then never see eachother again, League basically decided that week.
JQ/BG/SOR meet in 3 separate matches over 2 weeks (JQ/BG/X, SOR/JQ/X, BG/SOR/X) and the procede to never see each other again.
The final scenario is a combination where JQ, BG and SOR play eachother in 3 matches over 2 weeks and then have a single week with all of them in the same match.
This leaves them with 4 matches that are basically guaranteed victories, giving each server a minimum score of 20 points as a baseline, 23 points for a worst performance scenario and 35 points to a best performance scenario. (23 is extremely unlikely as a top rank server would have to finish 3rd in a match where 2 our of the top 3 are matched with a rank 4-12. A score is 26-28 is more likely for whichever Top 3 server doesn’t win every single meeting)
There is no scenario where any server except TC can do any better than 3rd place. Even if TC gets a lucky draw on the matches and face JQ/BG/SOR in only 2 of the 7 matches, the absolute maximum points they can score is 28 points.
25 points for 5 weeks of faceroll matches.
1 point for a Rank 1-3 match with them being X in the above matches.
3 points for a second place finish in a match with one rank 1-3 server.
There 7th wildcard match is there only chance to steal 3rd and this is only if JQ/SOR/BG get extremely unlucky in the match making.
This is the best part, the higher your rank, the less of a chance you have at drawing a terrible schedule. The inverse is true as your rank decreases.
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Time to move to EU. While there’s grumbling about potential matchups, the population is by far more evenly spread out than the mess that NA is …. and should make for some interesting matches. Honestly, pick any server but the top two, and you’ll likely have a blast.
I started on EU, but after a few months started getting unplayable lag all the time, and tracert showed I was connecting to the EU server via Texas, and essentially doubling my usual ping to Europe (which was already not good).
So now I’m trapped…
The EU server hardware is actually located in the US.
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Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Everything above t3 is a lagfest. Why would anyone want to willingly go there?
You need a god-mode PC to handle it.
Path of least resistance, if your in the top tiers it means your good, even if your terrible.
Time to move to EU. While there’s grumbling about potential matchups, the population is by far more evenly spread out than the mess that NA is …. and should make for some interesting matches. Honestly, pick any server but the top two, and you’ll likely have a blast.
I started on EU, but after a few months started getting unplayable lag all the time, and tracert showed I was connecting to the EU server via Texas, and essentially doubling my usual ping to Europe (which was already not good).
So now I’m trapped…
The EU server hardware is actually located in the US.
Then why did it go any further? IIRC it was ultimately connecting to a German city. I’d trace it again but I’d first have to transfer, and then probably transfer back when it turned out to be unplayable.
Chill out guys. Let the T1 servers continue what they’re doing. Once they realize how boring their matchups are and once they realize that the winner of the league is beyond their control (anet matchmaking will determine the victor), this will fix itself.
I feel bad for the people really. Some T1/2 guilds have been destacking to lower tiers – good on them. Those still going to the top will enjoy the fruits of their gems when they fight doors for a month straight.
I would be very surprised if they were actually destacking.
JQ vs SoR and BG twice would actually be for the best. Imagine if JQ were put up against lower level servers twice: that would be zero fun for everyone involved.
JQ would find this matchup very fun actually.
NA T1 servers have been T1 for 28 weeks, I think they would have gotten bored of it by now like ET, HoD, IoJ, SoS and SBI did.
NA T2 servers have been stale for 20 weeks.
Doesn’t look like “players wanting to move to lower pop servers on their own” is happening.
Are you still collecting data Devon?
That’s why leagues are happening. Stacking becomes entirely meaningless when you can face anyone in a league of 9 or 12 servers.
They clearly have enough confidence in their player base and game mode. After the leagues kill off the droves of ppt-chasers and dumbs that transferred to T1 (with the sheer boredom of ridiculous matchups 80% of the time), people who actually want to play WvW will be left. I look forward to the fiasco.
I’d argue first that the “new” matchup system has kept intact a server like JQ which spent almost 3 months as the #3 rank server. JQ would have imploded like other T1 servers did in the first half year of release after losing week after week to BG and SoR. But because they get matched up with the occasional T2 or even T3 server, they get to feel better about themselves and they stay where they are.
Secondly the league season where every server faces each other at least once will make people even less likely to leave because a T1 server (the ones that should unstack), will only have a couple weeks of challenging matchups and the other 5 weeks will be “Look how awesome we are getting 600 PPT”.
Even if the other two opponents give up, there’s always try-hards on every server who don’t mind going 10v50, which will just end up helping the T1 servers. How many times have you been in a lopsided match where your small band of try-hards retakes your side of the map only to have the higher pop server roll by with 4-5 times your numbers and retakes everything you worked at before you can even get the first upgrade completed. You then realize that you’ve been farmed for WxP and you gave the other server 5 times more WxP and the more times it happens the farther behind your server gets.
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