Guild Wars 2

From an SBI standpoint, you are right on, we really do need to leave EB more.

On a different note, what happened to Mag? Since when did they start playing for PPT?

Andrew Clear.1750:

From an SBI standpoint, you are right on, we really do need to leave EB more.

On a different note, what happened to Mag? Since when did they start playing for PPT?

Mag doesn’t but once a while they take viagra and have a fun run for few hours.

I just noticed that this past week, Mag has been Karma training, and going for PPT. It all started reset night.

Last night, they would golem rush a keep, then way point to another BL and golem rush there. They sure were trying to fight. It isn’t the Mag that I remember.

Mag plays for PPT when they realize they are dropping too low in the rankings. They also have a strong week-day presence. This then boosts their rankings enough to coast for a couple weeks of not focusing on PPT.

a tier 1-3 kitten is not going to happen

Sad Tas.2509:

a tier 1-3 kitten is not going to happen

Sure it can, just at the expense of T4 and below.

Kigera.9584:

Sad Tas.2509:

a tier 1-3 kitten is not going to happen

Sure it can, just at the expense of T4 and below.

It can if T1 guilds start to destack we can have 3 tiers of balanced servers. Just 2-3 guilds from JQ/BG talk to each other and pick DB/MAg respectively if you oceanic/NA. Start the process then go from there!

Luvpie.8350:

It can if T1 guilds start to destack we can have 3 tiers of balanced servers. Just 2-3 guilds from JQ/BG talk to each other and pick DB/MAg respectively if you oceanic/NA. Start the process then go from there!

That would be ideal but its not likely to happen. Both like winning too much and I doubt they would self sabotage their server’s winning percentage for better fights. But like you said, it would be nice if it happened.

Rewards for winning in T1 are the same for winning in T8.
If I was on BG or JQ, I’d be sick to death of seeing the same blobs, the same ppl, in the same BL every night, after waiting 15-30 min for the queue to pop.

JQ and BG should donate 1 medium NA guild each to DB and one small OCX or SEA group each to Maguuma. That there would do wonders to straightening out T1 and T3.

Consider, if WvW dies out on all but a handful of servers; they’ll just get rid of it to devote more resources to Aetherblades.

Kigera.9584:

Luvpie.8350:

It can if T1 guilds start to destack we can have 3 tiers of balanced servers. Just 2-3 guilds from JQ/BG talk to each other and pick DB/MAg respectively if you oceanic/NA. Start the process then go from there!

That would be ideal but its not likely to happen. Both like winning too much and I doubt they would self sabotage their server’s winning percentage for better fights. But like you said, it would be nice if it happened.

BG appears to be throwing this week in order to PvE. That’s just silly.
The T1 mindset should go away as a 25 v 30battle in T3 is just as satisfying as a 45 v 45 battle in T1

Andrew Clear.1750:

From an SBI standpoint, you are right on, we really do need to leave EB more.

On a different note, what happened to Mag? Since when did they start playing for PPT?

Probably because they realize that with DB coming up they can slip down to 9th and maybe even T4 if they don’t put in at least a modest effort. Roaming is great and personally rewarding, but it doesn’t do jack for your glicko rating.

Chris.3290:

BG appears to be throwing this week in order to PvE. That’s just silly.
The T1 mindset should go away as a 25 v 30battle in T3 is just as satisfying as a 45 v 45 battle in T1

I’m sure they just want those PVE bragging rights like with the Teq kill. But I agree, T1 isn’t the only place with great battles.

You don’t want any of BGs NA guilds. They are bag donations.

Burl.9567:

You don’t want any of BGs NA guilds. They are bag donations.

People say that about every server and then just say the other server is winning because of coverage differences.

Kigera.9584:

Luvpie.8350:

It can if T1 guilds start to destack we can have 3 tiers of balanced servers. Just 2-3 guilds from JQ/BG talk to each other and pick DB/MAg respectively if you oceanic/NA. Start the process then go from there!

That would be ideal but its not likely to happen. Both like winning too much and I doubt they would self sabotage their server’s winning percentage for better fights. But like you said, it would be nice if it happened.

Not to mention how incredibly expensive it is to transfer. It’s 150g per person at the moment. Yikes!

You guys can enjoy your balanced matchups PPT wise, while we enjoy our unbalanced matchups with great and frequent fights.

Chris, you have always complained about tier 1 stacking at the cost of other servers, but isn’t SoS doing that right now at the cost of tier 4?

Maguuma is about to go hard in the paint. If any ocx/sea want in they better do it now. Just saying.

If you think tier 2 is balanced… wow. The guilds haven’t even fully arrived yet.

Luvpie.8350:

SoS is not looking for any guilds right now for NA/Ocx.

Yet you proceeded to recruit One. GG

SBI does indeed out coverage other T3 servers, and what we desperately need is more experience pug commanders and more Ocx guilds/players. We have decent SEA and solid NA, but as Luvpie said we aren’t there yet organization wise. Even Mag’s Ocx is stronger than ours, so go figure.

I personally would like to close the gap with T2/3 so all 6 servers can be competitive. I honestly think T1 is a lost cause

Natronix.9827:

SBI does indeed out coverage other T3 servers, and what we desperately need is more experience pug commanders and more Ocx guilds/players. We have decent SEA and solid NA, but as Luvpie said we aren’t there yet organization wise. Even Mag’s Ocx is stronger than ours, so go figure.

I personally would like to close the gap with T2/3 so all 6 servers can be competitive. I honestly think T1 is a lost cause

This will not happen. I was thinking about it the other night and down in the lower tiers there are not many guilds left that I remember(sure new ones got started up) so that means T1 will have to destack(won’t happen). SBI ate up a lot of NA guilds and SOS just ate up a bunch leaving the servers at the bottom of T3 be it YB or DB with what NA guilds to pick from. If people wanted better balanced match ups servers that were already dominating matches or time zones would have sent guilds to other server thing is they don’t and they couldn’t force a guild not to come either. Stack winning servers find less balance. Send some people to losing servers find more balance. As of right now the way I see it is people don’t want balance. SOS needed NA guilds so good for you guys getting some.

this isn’t going to happen.

only way to make things competitive is to have matchups be 1v1, which is kittened anyway.

this game is dead from a competitive standpoint. wvw is long past any form of balance or competitiveness and these kitten threads wont get us anywhere. pvp is a joke and there is honestly no hope in sight. might as well pve if you still wanna play gw2.

i honestly think anet is secretly sabotaging their own game, they have no clue what they are doing

WvW is slowly dying because it is nothing more than who has the most off hour coverage. Until that is fixed, it is a waste of time.

style.6173:

Burl.9567:

You don’t want any of BGs NA guilds. They are bag donations.

People say that about every server and then just say the other server is winning because of coverage differences.

he is correct sir. bg is trash. wo a map blob they r bags

Anyone who is serious about balancing server population only needs to do one thing.

Transfer down.

Deli.1302:

If you think tier 2 is balanced… wow. The guilds haven’t even fully arrived yet.

Luvpie.8350:

SoS is not looking for any guilds right now for NA/Ocx.

Yet you proceeded to recruit One. GG

One was scheduled to come over on the 4th and we spoke to before YB guilds came on their own to SoS. if you read what I said we aren’t looking for more guilds.

Yeah, someone move up in the rankings to T1. We need someone new to face the dreaded Quarry Gate !

p.s. During NA prime you are looking at a wait for Eb of 15mins or so, a wait of 5 mins for ONE borderland, and no wait on 2 BL maps on JQ. BG waits probably aren’t much higher.

MAG fights for PPT… we honestly do… problem is all the PPT we fight for during our prime time is lost during our off hours… a few days of this and the PPT gap is so big, there is no point in trying to catch up. Let us land some Oceanic guilds, balance our off time with our prime time…

Mag has some Ocx, or NA ppl that dont sleep.

What i wish you guys had was more SEA,it would definitely even things out considering your NA and EU is equal/slightly better coverage wise

We should just have a special matchups for kitten T3

I prefer T1 NA to any other tier or EU. In T1 NA there is always someone to fight. Its not always a blob vs blob when people are taking a break. Ive played in lower tiers in NA and in high tiers in EU and its the same thing. Its often casual play where you can PvDoor if thats what you really want to do because there are not enough opponents on at all times.

Its a big concern though to see SOR going the way it is. It really does feel like the server can barely stay in T1 now. Thats not just bad for SOR but for everyone in NA.

nirvana.8245:

I prefer T1 NA to any other tier or EU. In T1 NA there is always someone to fight. Its not always a blob vs blob when people are taking a break. Ive played in lower tiers in NA and in high tiers in EU and its the same thing. Its often casual play where you can PvDoor if thats what you really want to do because there are not enough opponents on at all times.

Its a big concern though to see SOR going the way it is. It really does feel like the server can barely stay in T1 now. Thats not just bad for SOR but for everyone in NA.

Alot of players on SoR are sick of fighting jq/bg blobs in t1. Moving down to t2 would be great for our server tbh. I’m sure the matchup would be really close. I would give SoR the edge because i’m assuming we would have better SEA coverage then the other t2 servers.

It also would be great to actually find guilds to gvg against!

So what happens if SoR goes Tier 2 or lower? Who will fight Tier 1? No server want to face them.

Nick.6972:

So what happens if SoR goes Tier 2 or lower? Who will fight Tier 1? No server want to face them.

Lets hope SoR rebuilds or holds it together because T1 is kittened. We need to balance T3 Give Mag Oceanix and DB NA!

Just wanna pop in and say DB will definitely need a bit more NA players to compete with T3 coverage. Our other time zones are pretty spot on, but with our NA coverage we are usually outnumbered heavily.

The problem with moving down in tiers, is once the matchups get “easy” all the fairweathers show back up and eventually boost the server back into the previous tier, and the cycle repeats.

All this could have been solved, or at worst alleviated had ANET implemented some sort of “handicapping” system int he scoring to adjust for population differences. This would have theoretically allowed wider margins for matchups. Instead we have the “tiered” system which is supposed to match “similar” servers but does not due to population unbalances, momentum swings, PVE updates, IE: several external sources that influence the system greatly.

DB needs the NA to compete with Maguuma’s skill groups and SBI’s map queue blob.

SEA guilds should consider FA and SoR. SoR needs to be more competitive; since they have the rational approach of not trying to buy their way to victory (BG posters mock them for it…#T1logic).

Chris.3290:

DB needs the NA to compete with Maguuma’s skill groups and SBI’s map queue blob.

SEA guilds should consider FA and SoR. SoR needs to be more competitive; since they have the rational approach of not trying to buy their way to victory (BG posters mock them for it…#T1logic).

I like to think of it this way. SoR is more fiscally responsible.

Burl.9567:

Chris.3290:

DB needs the NA to compete with Maguuma’s skill groups and SBI’s map queue blob.

SEA guilds should consider FA and SoR. SoR needs to be more competitive; since they have the rational approach of not trying to buy their way to victory (BG posters mock them for it…#T1logic).

I like to think of it this way. SoR is more fiscally responsible.

More responsible, period. The JadeGate scenario will end up with only two tiers with WvW active and then they’ll just close the game-mode due to “lack of interest”

A slow form of consolidation is likely and will probably continue but hopefully we’ll end up with 5-6 tiers minimum with quality WvW (in regards to their tiers at least).

GW2 should create an automated incentive to accomplish this goal on a sustained basis. Possibly X amount of free transfers to a server that is consistently under performing in a tier. Maybe even going so far as to pay active guilds to transfer.

Luvpie.8350:

Kigera.9584:

Sad Tas.2509:

a tier 1-3 kitten is not going to happen

Sure it can, just at the expense of T4 and below.

It can if T1 guilds start to destack we can have 3 tiers of balanced servers. Just 2-3 guilds from JQ/BG talk to each other and pick DB/MAg respectively if you oceanic/NA. Start the process then go from there!

This is not gonna happen.
If you look at DB’s history, DB is the most famous guilds-donor to T1 server. 1st Immigration wave DB→SoS create the SoS legend for pretty long time. 2nd immigration wave right before season 1 DB→BG contributed a lot to BG’s victory.
If those guilds want balanced fight, why they even bother to leave?

Well, from a BG perspective, our most recent success has largely been due to our SEA and EU since our Oceanic kind of fell apart. With SEA and EU, our guilds aren’t willing to move off as far as I know, cause we enjoy each other’s company. Hell, HB, our main EU guild, has been one of the backbones of BG’s success for a long time.

In all honesty, from what I’ve seen recently, T2 can make a decent fight of a T1 server. T1 no longer is stacked to the hilt. I know BG’s been having float teams during early-NA to NA prime and that is a really recent phenomenon. Just shows that we can no longer fill the maps like we used to. JQ seems the same way.

Basically, the only difference between T1 and T2 is Oceanic-EU coverage. JQ and BG both have a big Asian community, JQ being more Chinese based and BG being more Korean based.

Right now, I’m 100% sure that SoS, TC and FA have a larger Oceanic than BG, though that’s only 1 timezone, so it wouldn’t really make a huge difference overall. JQ’s Oceanic is pretty big though so I’m not sure there. The next steps are to somehow get more Asian players/guilds to T2 servers and they would be pretty kitten balanced against T1 servers.

Even now, I’m pretty sure that T1 won’t steamroll T2 like we used to. Won’t know until this kitten T1 matchup is over though. Maybe 2 more weeks of SoR tanking score?

Season 1 was not that long ago (even accounting for numbers inflation due to PvX interest) and we’re pretty sure that T1 will still roflstomp any T2.
I have no idea how SoR compares to T2 (how is their non-NA prime?) but they can probably still beat TC and SoS; even if it would probably be close.

BG’s EU would completely demolish any T2 (ticking over +500 at times) and both JQ and BG outnumber any T2 NA. Add in a crushing advantage in SEA….nah, it would be a bad joke.

The state of T2 right now is that all three servers are adjusting to their recent population changes.
SoS has brought in a lot of people and it will take time before everyone hammers out their place in our community. Not to mention all the WvW stuff: build coordination, map coordination, comms, the entire works.
TC has the population but they have a lot of PvX and their internal coordination is pitiful at the moment.
FA has some great skill groups, but they need to make sure that they can translate that into battlefield success so they don’t become T2’s SoR or Maguuma. (They are very coordinated right now so I don’t think that’s going to happen.)

Nick.6972:

So what happens if SoR goes Tier 2 or lower? Who will fight Tier 1? No server want to face them.

Much as they don’t want it to happen it looks like being SoS.

Chris.3290:

I have no idea how SoR compares to T2 (how is their non-NA prime?) but they can probably still beat TC and SoS; even if it would probably be close.

BG’s EU would completely demolish any T2 (ticking over +500 at times) and both JQ and BG outnumber any T2 NA. Add in a crushing advantage in SEA….nah, it would be a bad joke.

There’s no population advantage during NA between T1 and T2 right now. Was a bit different back in leagues, but it is really really different now. Especially with a focus on smaller groups from both JQ and BG so instead of seeing 70-80 man blobs, you’d see 2-3x 20-30 man groups on different parts of the map, most of whom are looking for fights. Also, we can’t queue all 4 maps during NA prime anymore, so there’s that… we usually just have 20-30 people on each map now with a 30~ish group floating. At least BG does.

SoR could beat T2 servers, but it would be pretty close I think. They no longer have any EU and their Oceanic is pretty small now since most of them moved to JQ.

BG’s EU is 50 people max on TS. I’m not quite sure how that will “demolish” any T2 server. Sure, if we face 2 T2 servers, we’ll probably tick 400~, but it certainly won’t be “demolishment”. Same with JQ. During Oceanic, T2 servers would outnumber BG’s Oceanic believe it or not, but that’s only in a 3-5 hour period. Throw another T1 server into the mix and BG would be ticking what we normally tick during Oceanic these days – 150~200.

You would be correct in that any T1 SEA population would destroy T2 servers at the moment though. Outside of T1, perhaps only Darkhaven could put up some fight. Maybe. From my experience, on a good day, we can queue 3 maps and have a 20-30 man team on the 4th map (usually EBG cause kitten EBG) during early SEA, and have an 80 man float team during late SEA and into early EU. The only server that can compare with that is JQ.

BG and JQ during early SEA is like South Koreans vs Taiwanese/Chinese haha

Anyway, tl;dr, several time zones between T1 and T2 would be fairly even with a slight advantage to T1. Only during SEA would see T1 come out on a huge lead. If T2/3 servers can get some decent SEA coverage, we could have 6~8 servers that are fairly balanced. GET RECRUITING!

BP has great primetime guilds. Could use 1 or 2 more 40+ guilds.
Our sea/ ocx coverage is non existant though.

@Reverence; I respectfully disagree and think you are drastically overstating our numbers and understating yours.

#KeepSoRinTierOne2014

Reverence.6915:

Chris.3290:

I have no idea how SoR compares to T2 (how is their non-NA prime?) but they can probably still beat TC and SoS; even if it would probably be close.

BG’s EU would completely demolish any T2 (ticking over +500 at times) and both JQ and BG outnumber any T2 NA. Add in a crushing advantage in SEA….nah, it would be a bad joke.

There’s no population advantage during NA between T1 and T2 right now. Was a bit different back in leagues, but it is really really different now. Especially with a focus on smaller groups from both JQ and BG so instead of seeing 70-80 man blobs, you’d see 2-3x 20-30 man groups on different parts of the map, most of whom are looking for fights. Also, we can’t queue all 4 maps during NA prime anymore, so there’s that… we usually just have 20-30 people on each map now with a 30~ish group floating. At least BG does.

SoR could beat T2 servers, but it would be pretty close I think. They no longer have any EU and their Oceanic is pretty small now since most of them moved to JQ.

BG’s EU is 50 people max on TS. I’m not quite sure how that will “demolish” any T2 server. Sure, if we face 2 T2 servers, we’ll probably tick 400~, but it certainly won’t be “demolishment”. Same with JQ. During Oceanic, T2 servers would outnumber BG’s Oceanic believe it or not, but that’s only in a 3-5 hour period. Throw another T1 server into the mix and BG would be ticking what we normally tick during Oceanic these days – 150~200.

You would be correct in that any T1 SEA population would destroy T2 servers at the moment though. Outside of T1, perhaps only Darkhaven could put up some fight. Maybe. From my experience, on a good day, we can queue 3 maps and have a 20-30 man team on the 4th map (usually EBG cause kitten EBG) during early SEA, and have an 80 man float team during late SEA and into early EU. The only server that can compare with that is JQ.

BG and JQ during early SEA is like South Koreans vs Taiwanese/Chinese haha

Anyway, tl;dr, several time zones between T1 and T2 would be fairly even with a slight advantage to T1. Only during SEA would see T1 come out on a huge lead. If T2/3 servers can get some decent SEA coverage, we could have 6~8 servers that are fairly balanced. GET RECRUITING!

Very true.

It is amazing how people who have never faced BG or been on it have such exaggerated expectations.

If we were to give you just ONE guild from, say, our SEA coverage that would literally take HALF of our SEA coverage away lol. It is not like we have 10 guilds in each time zone….

Hello Reverence,

I respectfully disagree with you on some key points.

The EU force that BG has runs unopposed in EU time reducing t3 structures to paper. That is a domino effect on NA time much like the leagues.

In BG times their big hits in EU on JQ and SoR wp objectives at 1am-2am (gmt+8) onwards. Please note that I’m not complaining, only stating BG tactics (commendable) in hitting servers at the transition zones.

I have on T2 for a stint recently and I can confirm the assessment that BG still has a very strong OCX and EU of T1 and T2.

Currently BG is in the process of enhancing the EU forces for more coverage in season 2 to ensure a 80-90% chance of victory.

There’s very little chance of having a balanced T1 and T2 for the foreseeable future.

FW

Reverence.6915:

Chris.3290:

I have no idea how SoR compares to T2 (how is their non-NA prime?) but they can probably still beat TC and SoS; even if it would probably be close.

BG’s EU would completely demolish any T2 (ticking over +500 at times) and both JQ and BG outnumber any T2 NA. Add in a crushing advantage in SEA….nah, it would be a bad joke.

There’s no population advantage during NA between T1 and T2 right now. Was a bit different back in leagues, but it is really really different now. Especially with a focus on smaller groups from both JQ and BG so instead of seeing 70-80 man blobs, you’d see 2-3x 20-30 man groups on different parts of the map, most of whom are looking for fights. Also, we can’t queue all 4 maps during NA prime anymore, so there’s that… we usually just have 20-30 people on each map now with a 30~ish group floating. At least BG does.

SoR could beat T2 servers, but it would be pretty close I think. They no longer have any EU and their Oceanic is pretty small now since most of them moved to JQ.

BG’s EU is 50 people max on TS. I’m not quite sure how that will “demolish” any T2 server. Sure, if we face 2 T2 servers, we’ll probably tick 400~, but it certainly won’t be “demolishment”. Same with JQ. During Oceanic, T2 servers would outnumber BG’s Oceanic believe it or not, but that’s only in a 3-5 hour period. Throw another T1 server into the mix and BG would be ticking what we normally tick during Oceanic these days – 150~200.

You would be correct in that any T1 SEA population would destroy T2 servers at the moment though. Outside of T1, perhaps only Darkhaven could put up some fight. Maybe. From my experience, on a good day, we can queue 3 maps and have a 20-30 man team on the 4th map (usually EBG cause kitten EBG) during early SEA, and have an 80 man float team during late SEA and into early EU. The only server that can compare with that is JQ.

BG and JQ during early SEA is like South Koreans vs Taiwanese/Chinese haha

Anyway, tl;dr, several time zones between T1 and T2 would be fairly even with a slight advantage to T1. Only during SEA would see T1 come out on a huge lead. If T2/3 servers can get some decent SEA coverage, we could have 6~8 servers that are fairly balanced. GET RECRUITING!

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Reverence,

I respectfully disagree with you on some key points.

The EU force that BG has runs unopposed in EU time reducing t3 structures to paper. That is a domino effect on NA time much like the leagues.

In BG times their big hits in EU on JQ and SoR wp objectives at 1am-2am onwards. Please note that I’m not complaining, only stating BG tactics (commendable) in hitting servers at the transition zones.

I have on T2 for a stint recently and I can confirm the assessment that BG still has a very strong OCX and EU of T1 and T2.

Currently BG is in the process of enhancing the EU forces for more coverage in season 2 to ensure a 80-90% chance of victory.

There’s very little chance of having a balanced T1 and T2 for the foreseeable future.

Wow. That was the most inaccurate post I have ever read about BG honestly.

Who is your “source” btw? Because if you check MOS for this entire week and prior weeks, Oceanic is by far our weakest time zone. Our 3x 15-20 man oceanic guilds are PvX guilds that don’t get on WvW all that often, leading most of the time a pug commander for 3x BLs. So yea, our Oceanic force is obviously super strong ticking at 150 ppt, feel that power /rollseyes

EU time zone being all pvdoor? Our only 2x EU guilds are HB (you seriously think they play the ppt game?) And RK (which do not form up every night). Both guilds are 20 man guilds too. HB plays primarily in NA time zone btw.

Our only strong time zone is SEA which is matched by JQ, except our SEA tend to stay up until 2AM their time, which goes into early EU time zone.

And to further disprove your points, get on around 1 to 4 PM server time and watch SoRs 60 man map zerg float between all the BLs papering keeps/towers before BGs NA crew even get home from work. You’ll notice BG ticking around 150-225 ppt during that time.

Seigfried.5938:

You guys can enjoy your balanced matchups PPT wise, while we enjoy our unbalanced matchups with great and frequent fights.

Chris, you have always complained about tier 1 stacking at the cost of other servers, but isn’t SoS doing that right now at the cost of tier 4?

You do realize that most of us didn’t know that the guilds were coming over, they just came over and we welcomed them.